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08-17-2018, 11:33 PM | #51 |
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have you guys ever heard of Sigma 6 gi joe figures? i was at work today and i was just browsing for a Destro in 4" on the computer and i stumbled upon these 8" figures, yup, you read right! 8 freaking inches! they do look alittle more on the cartoony side but they look awesome. finally gi joe in big form. have you guys seen these? im surprised no one mentioned them here in this thread. its like a dream come true. here is the kicker thou, i checked most of them out and i just like a handful of them so far. the others that i dont like have been heavily modified and dont look nothing like the original design...
SideNote:: i just bought the 8" Destro figure, pics coming soon
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I've got Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and a ninja BAT from Sigma 6. They are pretty awesome figures overall. The figure concept itself wasn't bad. Few minor tweaks and it could have grown into a great line and way to relaunch Action man too.
I do remember how fans reacted to it back in the day though. Not kind to say the least. Some designs were pretty neat though like their take on Cobra Commander and a few others. The show itself left a bit to be desired, but it introduced some neat concepts too, and the BAT army to this day is still something Hasbro needs to revisit in Modern Era styling and a modern era story. Both the Flight pack BATs, and Ninja BATs. Some great material to re-do in Modern Era smaller scale all around, but the oversized nature didn't really take to market too well. Don't think it even lasted more than 3 waves. As for 6'' figures, I'm indifferent on it personally. I tend to prefer the 1:18th scale because of the wider offerings it can do and ease of space. Quote:
Also part of the reason GI Joe, a number of times in the past, became difficult to sell to retailers was the changing political climate on guns and war. Things today are worse than before, you got hoardes of online lynch mobs ready to tear Hasbro's image down for selling an entire toy line surrounded around war and including realistic weapons with thier figures. The last thing Hasbro needs is an attack because they included an AR-15 looking rifle with a toy.
Though to be fair, the 2nd GI Joe film was rather... Prophetic to what the climate is now. Borderline rather ahead of its time to the point I do want to see what a GI Joe 3 could do. A new launch has to be something that gets kids into it overall to sustain it. But it is also true the political climate we're seeing is an aspect of that downswing too. TBH, as Modern Era went in full swing and was dominating, USA was in an upswing of military pride with Terrorist groups as the rally against universal bad guys. Now the public at large is so worn out and tired of the reality of that. It's not so much a draw or even an escapist point anymore of heroics. Though there are other areas they can tackle story-wise that'll work. That's what made Renegades shine so much with how it focused on shadow money and the corporate sponsors angle. Last edited by Snowflakian; 08-18-2018 at 04:00 AM.. |
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Every time I see them I regret not buying them at k-b toys back in the day, where they were heavily stocked and affordable, at the time they had a decent cult following, I wasn't interested in them at the time, I was more interested in Spawn everything, but now they have certainly grew on me, some are to cartooney for my taste though, however that destroy along with the ninjas are really cool figures.
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No, the most memorable Snake Eyes moment in the first animated series was when he exposed himself to lethal levels of radiation to save the rest of his team in the “M.A.S.S. Device” mini-series, then somehow didn’t die, stumbled off into an Arctic wasteland, won the loyalty of a wolf by saving it from a trap and fought a polar bear.
The problem with ninjas is that the classic ninja style has been done to death across wide media. If only there were things in the lore to update that and make it cool again... Same as how Naruto makes it work too with Ninjas. It's not the same old school outfit. Variety is the key to that. GI Joe, and Marvel too really, suffer from that a lot. The usage of the classic overplayed ninja outfit visage is what's making their ninjas boring. If they looked into it more to broaden that out more, they could get better retention. This is what makes Naruto work, as well as Ninja Gaiden/DOA, and other franchises that use ninjas. This is what makes even Electra's new outfit stand out too, as well as Psylocke's various outfits, Ronin too. Ninja or not isn't the bad aspect. It's how fun or interesting the design is. Last edited by Snowflakian; 08-18-2018 at 03:10 PM.. |
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what i think happened when these 8" sigma figures came out is that it was ahead of its time. but these nowadays look awesome. they look like if 3A did gi joe figures. and since the 6" figures have been around and has grown on collectors, these look appealing now.
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I couldn't seen a 6 inch GI Joe line lasting beyond a year. The die hards wouldn't be enough to make up for the more casual people who'd only buy the 5 or 6 characters they like. I see 6-inch Star Wars and Marvel stuff getting deep discounts and their collector bases seem much larger. |
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In mid 2005 Hasbro ticked off some people by cancelling 3 3/4" at retail for was seemed to be a new direction with 8" Sigma Six. Not long after announcing Sigma Six, they tried the online Direct to Consumer 3 3/4" stuff and it petered out after 3 1/2 waves or so, with TRU eventually picking up the excess for retail (Maye they should've done a shared online/TRU thing from the get go?). They also made 2.5" stuff for Sigma Six, which seemed like the dumbest move...wasting tooling on something that flopped with kids and collectors. The 8-inchers actually seemed to be doing okay, even winning over some 4" collectors, and lasted like 2 and 1/2 years, I think. But the cartoon got pulled half way through season 2 because...I dunno. Of course they never made 8-inch Scarlett or Baroness, because it was larger scale kid-aimed line.
I couldn't seen a 6 inch GI Joe line lasting beyond a year. The die hards wouldn't be enough to make up for the more casual people who'd only buy the 5 or 6 characters they like. I see 6-inch Star Wars and Marvel stuff getting deep discounts and their collector bases seem much larger. This is the entire toy history from 2001 to present though, and you see how the market shifted. The toon died from low ratings. The figures themselves weren't exactly something retailers liked either. And it had other issues because they couldn't exactly do vehicles in that line either outside of motorcycles and similar smaller. It cut off an entire area of the franchise due to that. The smaller scale was supposed to go more towards micro machines. The toon essentially came from Hasbro's experience with RiD, and then Armada/Energon/Cybertron. Sigma 6 had no Jinx either. It lacked all female figures. Even though there were only 3 in the show. The original GI Joe standard was dying though, so this was a means to shake it up and rejuvenate it. Kids weren't buying it at all. Even the collector side of it was really meh and getting bored with it as the line grew entirely stale and no real innovations were being made to fix that. Then sigma 6 came in to rejuvenate and give a fresh start, but it had a lot of its own issues, between fan shock and disdain, and overly big, and how it lacked any wide array of vehicles, to eventually retailers not liking it either for how much space it took up and how cost prohibitive it was in general on the Hasbro side. The last eaves of it went to discount stores. Some almost didn't get released at all or did in very low numbers. Retailers completely stopped ordering it and wanted something new. When Sigma 6 died, then came Modern Era. And that's what brought the line back to prominence. The concept of modern era stemmed from the fact that they could also retool older vehicles, and more. Which led to a wealth of material that was easier to do. And could create new faster. Modern Era had so much success it led to Toy Biz attempting it with Superhero Showdown, which essentially collapsed in on itself, Toy Biz's legends line wasn't moving merchandise either, so eventually they lost the Marvel toy rights to Hasbro. Which gave rise to the Marvel 4" Eventually the demise of the 6" legends. Toy Biz tried to get back on their feet using independent comic heroes(mostly Top Cow), that flopped. Toy Biz eventually went out of business after only having Curious George and other children's material to keep it afloat that wasn't moving enough volume. Modern Era's success led to other's attempting it. Marvel 4" came to prominence. Mattel tried to capitalize on GI Joe success with James Cameron's Avatar for that toyline, rather floundered, but not horribly. They tried a different pattern imitating Mego pocket heroes for DCIH, then upped articulation as it progressed. Eventually that evolved into Multiverse using game rights and batman as a testing ground because of imitating Kenner with the Nolan films. Which led to the GL line, then the MOS line. To then all of that collapsing in on itself. Also why Tron Legacy tried it, and the new Robocop. Even Terminator tried to get in on it. Eventually 6" made a comeback, became the dominate market trend to now nearly everything doing 6" and relatively self-sustaining on it. 4" is slowly dying out, but will likely make a return later too. And that brings us to the modern day. Where Toy Biz style marvel lines are again taking prominence on shelves, with collector-centric 6" legends self-sustaining, and 1:18th on the back burner about to cycle back in per as the cyclical nature of toy trends go. 6" GI Joe is actually even more acceptable now thanks to Sigma 6. The initial shock is mostly what kept it from surviving, alongside the lack of vehicles and retailers not happy with the space it took up and the lower volume of it moving. The final waves of it barely made it to shelves. Some of it ended up discount shops. Besides the cost prohibitive nature of it in other aspects. Consumer mentalities are different now though. Scale isn't as much of a concern for material. So things like Micro machines and figures co-existing isn't as much of a complaint as it was back then. You know how "fans" get when new things come around. But now all that isn't new either. And that's basically toy history from 2001 to present, and how Hasbro essentially was shaping the toy market early on, to where we are now with the cycle going back 6" prominence, 3.75" in the wings ready to come back, and Toy Biz style "all ages lines" gaining traction on shelves again. The toy market really is that cyclical. And now that the initial shock is over of how GI Joe attempted to briefly reinvent itself, the market is actually more accepting of that. As well as how consumer mentalities and range have shifted too to become larger and more accepting of diverse material. It's kind of interesting when you really look at it. But it is all connected to how the market moved and made waves to how some styles ended, to new ones taking prominence to the burnout those caused eventually, to new 6" coming back, and so on and how that impacted the trends of the market as a whole to the point now the toy industry is much larger than it was. It's really no surprise that Hasbro is one of the bigger toy companies with landmark profits. They've been rather pioneering the progression of the industry as far back as the rebirth of Transformers with RiD and AEC and are what caused various trend waves. Including Toy Biz's attempts to capitalize on the rising Transformers popularity in the early 2000s with their own attempt, and then much later their "Superhero showdown" attempts. Really, even Skylanders, and Amiibo came from what was originally a star wars toy gimmick from Hasbro that they did during the prequels. The RFID communication stands are what eventually inspired Skylanders, which led to Amiibo, and Lego Dimensions, as well as the Disney version. *edit* The first time I tried to post this had an internet outage issue so the post got lost. This was a rewrite of it. But contains much of the same history and cyclical growth data of trends to how the market shifted and the social aspects of how the market bucked trends, grew out of outrage of change, and how mentalities have shifted to where they are now. I've been a rather observant collector over this time for various "reasons." But it is interesting how entire lines shifted changed, and seeing how mentalities changed over that time too. To what grew in popularity, what declined, what died, and what got reborn. 6" GI Joe would last more than a year in the new market. But it definitely wouldn't move the volume retailers are used to. But volume has shifted too as well as expectations. It's been a rather long windy road to this point. Last edited by Snowflakian; 08-19-2018 at 01:07 AM.. |
08-19-2018, 05:46 AM | #58 |
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I think currently the market is very saturated with 6 inch figures. GI Joe needs to happen later. I remember hearing rumor that this was to happen 2 years ago but, not sure what happened.
I think, just speculating, that the Black series is having real issues as new character do not sell and Star Wars is a dead brand after Disney insulted the fans and then made fun of them. What happens in GI Joe once all the main characters are finished being made? I think Hasbro got cold feet plus now they have the Power Rangers. I assume one they push the Power Rangers, GI Joe has a chance as they want a shared universe badly. |
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The look was definitely of its time tho. Around that time period there were also xmen evolution, the batman (and a little later on) spectacular spiderman...animated series and figures...all having that angular, cartoony art style. I don't think any of the animated series lasted very long but it made for some nice looking figures that have aged well.
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The Batman lasted for 5 seasons. I'd say it had a pretty solid run. Been thinking of watching it again actually.
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This really all comes down to what kids want and what their parents are willing to pay. The problem is what they want is constantly changing rapidly, the average age of children into action figures (and toys in general) is shifting downwards and no one in the toy business seems to know what will work when they need it to work. The market will indicate that "this" works right now, but by the time they get product developed, produced and in stores, "that" is no longer what the kiddos want. For action figures, this means the adult collector market matters more than ever, and that means toy manufacturers concentrate on properties with broad enough appeal to sustain a line and justify the cost of development and production. Like all business, it's all about ROI.
So, when discussing scale, it's important to note that companies like Hasbro have experimented with scale to a ridiculous degree over the past decade, just trying to pin down what works for kids and what works for adults. For example, he 2.5" scale Hasbro kept trying to push for a few years was an attempt to give kids vehicles at a sustainable price-point because the 3.75-4" scale was getting too pricey. As amply noted in this thread, 6" & highly articulated appears to be what the adults want, but it doesn't work for most kids. Price comes into play here as parents aren't thrilled with paying $20+ a pop for junior to have his superhero figures...there's a reason BvS/WW/Justice League Multiverse highly articulated figs still clog the shelves and ML figs can pegwarm after the adult collectors have nabbed what they want. So the trick is to give the kids the toys they want, but at a low enough price-point parents won't balk at buying multiple figures of (the idea, after all, is to have a line of toys kids feel compelled to "collect 'em all" and sustain for more than a few months). It appears that as the average age of children into action figures decreases, the toys aimed at them increase in size. That increases cost of production which has to be offset by a decrease in manufacturing complexity. That's why we've seen Marvel Titan 12" figures with barely any articulation and the Black Panther and Infinity War lines of 6"-ish figures with dumbed down articulation. Those toys were never meant for adult collectors. Matter of fact, the days of a toy-line that is targeted at--and appeals to--both kids and adults is pretty much dunzo. What this all means for G.I. Joe is that a 6", highly-articulated scale is unlikely. Most Joe fans want 3.75-4" highly-articulated figs with a decent amount of fiddly gear and that makes for an expensive figure. The perceived value isn't there because all parents see is a small figure with a lot of choking hazards that costs almost as much as the 6" figures they already find too expensive for a toy. As I said, for most adult Joe fans, the 3.75" scale is integral to the experience. I know I wouldn't buy 6" Joes. Not only do I not like the scale (they take up too much space and no vehicles), but it just isn't "my G.I. Joe". Are there enough adults who would buy them outside of the Joe fandom to make it viable from an ROI standpoint? Doubtful. G.I. Joe just doesn't have a comparable level of popularity among adult collectors. Marvel collectors are spending their cash on Legends and Star Wars fans are buying Black Series, and some are buying both those lines plus other stuff. I don't think there's enough cash, or interest, to go around without roping the kids into G.I. Joe. Which means, the next iteration of G.I. Joe must be something that appeals to kids (and their parents) first and adults second. That means if they are 6" toys, they'll be more like the dumbed-down Infinity War toys than Marvel Legends. |
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The look was definitely of its time tho. Around that time period there were also xmen evolution, the batman (and a little later on) spectacular spiderman...animated series and figures...all having that angular, cartoony art style. I don't think any of the animated series lasted very long but it made for some nice looking figures that have aged well.
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Can you imagine the reaction the media and the weirdos will give if they, once they realize GI Joe is still a thing?
Right now there is an anti American sentiment. People seem to dislike the Armed Forces currently. This ALWAYS takes place as when people FEEL safe. The weirdos come out. This always happens, then when war is one the verge, the weirdos go into hiding, the media stops pushing that agenda. The media changes their tune and starts worshiping the Armed forces because they know what happens deep down when good men stop caring, nations fall. GI Joe will eventually be attacked by the weirdos..so it simply isn't time for the 6 inch line to be on shelves. |
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I think its the perfect time for Gi joe's to be 6" cause star wars and superheroes are doing it. if star wars can do it then so can gi joes. heck, star wars is big in the 4" world and black series is doing great. i even collect black series. 6" is the norm now. of course you have the 4" community as well that wont change. as far as the media, im NOT into politics at all. but i think the real world issues wont effect a toy line, its main consumers are collectors and kids and they dont get into politics...
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Can you imagine the reaction the media and the weirdos will give if they, once they realize GI Joe is still a thing?
Right now there is an anti American sentiment. People seem to dislike the Armed Forces currently. This ALWAYS takes place as when people FEEL safe. The weirdos come out. This always happens, then when war is one the verge, the weirdos go into hiding, the media stops pushing that agenda. The media changes their tune and starts worshiping the Armed forces because they know what happens deep down when good men stop caring, nations fall. GI Joe will eventually be attacked by the weirdos..so it simply isn't time for the 6 inch line to be on shelves. |
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Sign of the times man. It really is sad.
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Actually that's not as much of an issue as you think. "Liberals" support troops. They don't support questionable orders or those that use it as an excuse to take it too far. Everything GI Joe actually stands against since it's supposed to represent the best of the best. The soldiers that stand above to do what's right against adversity, even adversity within from a 'bad order'. You see this most pronounced in original GI Joe too, where Cobra's Metal Head represents certain modern style of personalities and ego, whereas the GI Joe side represents good hearts and moral centers with respect. Tomax, Xamot, and Destro as well as Baroness also represent 'dark money' and those cues of greed driven pursuits. Retaliation heavily reflects much of this too. As did Renegades. Things like what VashTS is saying is the kind of stuff that Cobra would use for divisiveness to rally against what the moral center of GI Joe is supposed to be. Much of what Retaliation and Renegades was built on as a concept of propaganda controlling the masses to stay blind to the truth. The things that made GI Joe thrive are very universal concepts tied to real complications that mostly 'liberals' talk about. Like equality, PTSD(shipwreck's infamous multi-part episodes), and more. Though it does tend to attempt to get hijacked by certain 'power mad' areas like the NRA and other supremacist views that try to ignore or rewrite the moral center message of what GI Joe represents. Same as they try to do the same to NCIS & spinoffs and Blue Bloods. But let's not turn this to a political discussion either. The real burnout is from war toys that remind consumers of the current world state of affairs. Where once it was pride in standing up to it, has turned to weariness from this going on for almost 20 years with very little actual headway made other than the surge of pride during 2011. As well as weariness from those that go overboard and do bad things in its name, and how they act like Metal Head or Dreadnoks in how they treat others. This is why we see a surge in sales with modern era's approach along with the rejuvenation of the scale as a market wide thing, to then the drop off after 2012, to then the steady decline as weariness settled in and a different kind of escapism was sought after. Things like NCIS still do well, because it focuses on the 'good side' of the military arms and the personality of the individual while not making excuses for the bad and talking about that too. Same reason shows like Blue Bloods does so well. It's the ideal of what it's supposed to be. Not the reality of what much of it is or has become due to various propaganda and twisted perceptions of those that blindly follow. Retailers are the issue though. Retailers are the ones that decide what goes on shelves. And retailers aren't seeing enough product move to support keeping GI Joe on shelves. Walmart has no issue with Corps Elite, because it does move product and cheap enough to maintain ordering. Which is why they have the exclusivity contract for that. Same to how TRU had the True Heroes line for Military toys too, and TRU had maintained a military aisle for the majority of it's last 20 years This is why GI Joe's return has to coincide with a movie launch to use the blockbuster toy factor to get back on shelves, and then stay on shelves because of product moving. And yes a line that appeals to kids and makes GI Joe cool to them would definitely help. That line would do best to stick to the modern era standard. Get back to the experimental roots and 'coolness' factor. Pull on areas where coolness factor and fan demands coincide. Cutting Edge Jinx, Renegades Baroness, maybe mix in some of the Sigma 6 designs in Modern Era styling. Stuff that'd appeal to kids but collectors also haven't gotten yet. 6" is a relative issue because there's so many preferred outfits for characters. But if done slowly and right could survive in a collector focused line. It's a matter of deciding which versions are the definitive outfits. Duke and Scarlet alone have close to 5+ outfits each different areas of fans prefer. So it'd have to have the right mix to appease that kind of demand. Shipwreck is one of the few where his classic outfit is perfectly iconic thanks to Venture Brothers. But that's part of the problem to GI Joe. The iconic outfits are mostly on the Cobra side like Metal Head, Destro, Baroness, the various Cobra Commander suits, Zartan, Cobra-La. The GI Joe side varies much more between and has divided fan preferences to outfits, styles, updates, or you name it. This is also something Sigma 6 did right, it created new iconic 'cool' suits for Jinx and Kamakura too. To this day, Sigma 6 is the best Kamakura outfit. Like me personally, I prefer Scarlett's ROC impact armor, her Sigma 6 suit, and the convention exclusive vs autobots yellow and black suit. As well as her spy troops outfit & Renegades. Not her classic toon costume. Though her classic toon costume is one of the few iconic suits with how it blends well to Captain America as part of a modern squad he'd lead. Same as Snake Eyes has wide preferences from original 2 suits, on forward. Like I tend to prefer Retaliation, Renegades, and Ninja Force for him. But others prefer his v1 outfit, and some prefer his ski-mask style one too. Which I'm partial a fan of that one too. And Dawn Moreno is fun too. So a 6" line has to go for which versions have the biggest sales push. Though some characters only have one solid outfit, like Doc and Doc 2. Last edited by Snowflakian; 08-19-2018 at 03:18 PM.. |
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Another cool thing about Sigma 6 is that it was later was the prototype to how Mashers were developed.
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Which is why people are sick of ninjas.
And you're an ardent fan, so you don't count as 'general audiences' which is why you favor the original comic. Wider audiences/average audiences favor toon as they remember it. Most don't even remember there was a comic or are aware there even is a current one. Enough are into it and it has a marketing presence that it can be sustained now. But for wide theater going or tv watching audiences, those are different demographics. |
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Like equality, PTSD(shipwreck's infamous multi-part episodes), and more. Though it does tend to attempt to get hijacked by certain 'power mad' areas like the NRA and other supremacist views that try to ignore or rewrite the moral center message of what GI Joe represents.
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Which is why people are sick of ninjas.
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Actually that's not as much of an issue as you think. "Liberals" support troops. They don't support questionable orders or those that use it as an excuse to take it too far. Everything GI Joe actually stands against since it's supposed to represent the best of the best. The soldiers that stand above to do what's right against adversity, even adversity within from a 'bad order'. You see this most pronounced in original GI Joe too, where Cobra's Metal Head represents certain modern style of personalities and ego, whereas the GI Joe side represents good hearts and moral centers with respect. Tomax, Xamot, and Destro as well as Baroness also represent 'dark money' and those cues of greed driven pursuits. Retaliation heavily reflects much of this too. As did Renegades. Things like what VashTS is saying is the kind of stuff that Cobra would use for divisiveness to rally against what the moral center of GI Joe is supposed to be. Much of what Retaliation and Renegades was built on as a concept of propaganda controlling the masses to stay blind to the truth. The things that made GI Joe thrive are very universal concepts tied to real complications that mostly 'liberals' talk about. Like equality, PTSD(shipwreck's infamous multi-part episodes), and more. Though it does tend to attempt to get hijacked by certain 'power mad' areas like the NRA and other supremacist views that try to ignore or rewrite the moral center message of what GI Joe represents. Same as they try to do the same to NCIS & spinoffs and Blue Bloods. But let's not turn this to a political discussion either. The real burnout is from war toys that remind consumers of the current world state of affairs. Where once it was pride in standing up to it, has turned to weariness from this going on for almost 20 years with very little actual headway made other than the surge of pride during 2011. As well as weariness from those that go overboard and do bad things in its name, and how they act like Metal Head or Dreadnoks in how they treat others. This is why we see a surge in sales with modern era's approach along with the rejuvenation of the scale as a market wide thing, to then the drop off after 2012, to then the steady decline as weariness settled in and a different kind of escapism was sought after. Things like NCIS still do well, because it focuses on the 'good side' of the military arms and the personality of the individual while not making excuses for the bad and talking about that too. Same reason shows like Blue Bloods does so well. It's the ideal of what it's supposed to be. Not the reality of what much of it is or has become due to various propaganda and twisted perceptions of those that blindly follow. Retailers are the issue though. Retailers are the ones that decide what goes on shelves. And retailers aren't seeing enough product move to support keeping GI Joe on shelves. Walmart has no issue with Corps Elite, because it does move product and cheap enough to maintain ordering. Which is why they have the exclusivity contract for that. Same to how TRU had the True Heroes line for Military toys too, and TRU had maintained a military aisle for the majority of it's last 20 years This is why GI Joe's return has to coincide with a movie launch to use the blockbuster toy factor to get back on shelves, and then stay on shelves because of product moving. And yes a line that appeals to kids and makes GI Joe cool to them would definitely help. That line would do best to stick to the modern era standard. Get back to the experimental roots and 'coolness' factor. Pull on areas where coolness factor and fan demands coincide. Cutting Edge Jinx, Renegades Baroness, maybe mix in some of the Sigma 6 designs in Modern Era styling. Stuff that'd appeal to kids but collectors also haven't gotten yet. 6" is a relative issue because there's so many preferred outfits for characters. But if done slowly and right could survive in a collector focused line. It's a matter of deciding which versions are the definitive outfits. Duke and Scarlet alone have close to 5+ outfits each different areas of fans prefer. So it'd have to have the right mix to appease that kind of demand. Shipwreck is one of the few where his classic outfit is perfectly iconic thanks to Venture Brothers. But that's part of the problem to GI Joe. The iconic outfits are mostly on the Cobra side like Metal Head, Destro, Baroness, the various Cobra Commander suits, Zartan, Cobra-La. The GI Joe side varies much more between and has divided fan preferences to outfits, styles, updates, or you name it. This is also something Sigma 6 did right, it created new iconic 'cool' suits for Jinx and Kamakura too. To this day, Sigma 6 is the best Kamakura outfit. Like me personally, I prefer Scarlett's ROC impact armor, her Sigma 6 suit, and the convention exclusive vs autobots yellow and black suit. As well as her spy troops outfit & Renegades. Not her classic toon costume. Though her classic toon costume is one of the few iconic suits with how it blends well to Captain America as part of a modern squad he'd lead. Same as Snake Eyes has wide preferences from original 2 suits, on forward. Like I tend to prefer Retaliation, Renegades, and Ninja Force for him. But others prefer his v1 outfit, and some prefer his ski-mask style one too. Which I'm partial a fan of that one too. And Dawn Moreno is fun too. So a 6" line has to go for which versions have the biggest sales push. Though some characters only have one solid outfit, like Doc and Doc 2. G.I. Joe has pretty consistently had trouble trying to win over newer audiences and is often regarded as an 80s relic. That's not really a political thing. The same can be said of quite a few toylines that were huge in the 80s but aren't as big nowadays. Remember the oughts attempts at relaunching Thundercats and He-Man? Yeah, those didn't really take either. |
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Hey! here is an idea Hasbro seeing as Marvel Legends sell really good to adults and kids let’s make a year long trial run of 6” GIJoe Legends and have it 4 waves, one wave per quarter. And have it equal assortments of 4 characters 2 of each for 8 figs per case. And price them the same as the legends with accessories and gear, hell have a BAF of snake armour or a RAM motorcycle, pac rats, BATs. If it is successful continue the brand, if not Don’t, it’s not like they won’t sell at all and lose money. Imagine the possibilities if it’s successful, a GIJoe ultimate riders wave with;
Storm Shadow and CLAW Zartan with chameleon swamp skier Stalker with RAM motorcycle Cobra Televiper with trouble bubble Buzzer with a Chopper ( repaint from Logan set ) Endless potential!!!!!!! |
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Yeah I don't mean it to be rude but people are really overthinking it. The issue is not modern America not liking soldiers or supporting the troops. If that were the case Captain America would not be one of the most popular superheroes on the planet right now.
G.I. Joe has pretty consistently had trouble trying to win over newer audiences and is often regarded as an 80s relic. That's not really a political thing. The same can be said of quite a few toylines that were huge in the 80s but aren't as big nowadays. Remember the oughts attempts at relaunching Thundercats and He-Man? Yeah, those didn't really take either. |
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Yeah I don't mean it to be rude but people are really overthinking it. The issue is not modern America not liking soldiers or supporting the troops. If that were the case Captain America would not be one of the most popular superheroes on the planet right now.
G.I. Joe has pretty consistently had trouble trying to win over newer audiences and is often regarded as an 80s relic. That's not really a political thing. The same can be said of quite a few toylines that were huge in the 80s but aren't as big nowadays. Remember the oughts attempts at relaunching Thundercats and He-Man? Yeah, those didn't really take either. Look at the similar 6" lines. Marvel Legends and DC Multiverse use iconic characters who have been around for decades, but more importantly, are greatly benefitted by the fact that they have a constant stream of movies and TV shows to drive consumer interest. Bandai's Dragon Stars line has the Dragon Ball franchise, which still airs on TV and has a stream of popular video games. The Power Rangers are still airing. Star Wars Black Series is well...Star Wars, one of the biggest mass media franchises on the planet. Other companies also put out figures in that scale from popular TV shows and video games like Halo, Destiny or The Walking Dead. G.I. Joe? The last movie was 5 years ago and the last TV show was 7. There needs to be something to put the brand back in the public eye before Hasbro and the retailers commit to something like that. Has there been any update on another film? Last I heard were rumblings of a possible Transformers crossover. Getting a new TV show or movie out there would be a huge boon for the franchise right now. Man, I loved Resolute! With the 80s nostalgia in full swing they could easily put out a new show. Last edited by hasbroherofan; 08-19-2018 at 06:21 PM.. |
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