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07-10-2015, 02:34 AM | #26 |
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May i know Is it easy to get the sdcc Diorama set? maybe only can go in last day.
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07-10-2015, 03:59 AM | #27 |
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It's not just exclusive to Hasbro. T-Shirts and posters replicating multi-character covers have had X-Men and FF characters removed from them. Neca basically said they won't be making X-Men or FF sets in the forseeable future with their Heroclix line. No one's outright saying "Disney banned them" because technically it's probably not true, but Disney probably did say "Hey guys that are making lots of money off of our licensed product, we'd be really happy if you didn't make these kinds of products for a while." It really seems to have kicked in full force in the coming year. I doubt Disney's going to starve Fox into giving up the movie rights (particularly to X-Men...FF Marvel might get back if the next movie bombs), but they can make life annoying for them. That, or maybe someone at Disney saw something in one of the contracts that was "iffy" enough that they simply don't want to take the chance on having to pay Fox money if they use those characters on licensed merchandise (like maybe the contracts have clauses that could be interpreted as Fox getting a cut of all X-Men merchandise revenue, even beyond movie stuff). But I doubt that's the case, or that no one would have caught it by now and Fox filed a lawsuit over all the back money they'd be owed. |
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Ehn, the general consensus is that Fantastic Four and X-Men stuff is currently being "soft-banned" by Disney, who doesn't want to give Fox millions in free advertising for their movies.
It's not just exclusive to Hasbro. T-Shirts and posters replicating multi-character covers have had X-Men and FF characters removed from them. Neca basically said they won't be making X-Men or FF sets in the forseeable future with their Heroclix line. No one's outright saying "Disney banned them" because technically it's probably not true, but Disney probably did say "Hey guys that are making lots of money off of our licensed product, we'd be really happy if you didn't make these kinds of products for a while." It really seems to have kicked in full force in the coming year. I doubt Disney's going to starve Fox into giving up the movie rights (particularly to X-Men...FF Marvel might get back if the next movie bombs), but they can make life annoying for them. That, or maybe someone at Disney saw something in one of the contracts that was "iffy" enough that they simply don't want to take the chance on having to pay Fox money if they use those characters on licensed merchandise (like maybe the contracts have clauses that could be interpreted as Fox getting a cut of all X-Men merchandise revenue, even beyond movie stuff). But I doubt that's the case, or that no one would have caught it by now and Fox filed a lawsuit over all the back money they'd be owed. |
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from what I've seen of the new FF movie, if you want figures go eat a bunch of fast food wait a couple hours and fish them out of the bowl. as for the "embargo" on X and FF properties, Dis-arvel is just shooting themselves in the foot. Marvel is suppose to be an all encompassing universe where characters from different backgrounds, viewpoints, and socioeconomic levels interact with one another. there are very few characters who don't have some level of relationship with one another, and that's a big part of the Marvel formula. to try to self contain any of the individual brands at this point just hurts the fans, and makes the entity that's black balling them look like petty money grubbing assholes
that could care less about the quality of product produced as long as they milk it for all it's worth then toss it aside. If you don't believe this, just look at Mickey mouse, sure he's a household name, but he hasn't been socially relevant since the 50's. Disney is all about taking something fresh, shoving it down the publics throat to the point of burn out nausea while retooling it to the whims of the mass market ban wagon zombie collective America has turned into, then tossing it aside and buying the next property they can exploit for a couple years. |
07-10-2015, 02:33 PM | #31 |
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There is no embargo. Hasbro said at SDCC there are no restrictions but it is just harder to release stuff that isn't as popular.
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07-10-2015, 02:48 PM | #32 |
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Historically speaking, Fantastic 4 movie lines have never done well.
The embargo is solely fan created, and has always been fan rumor but Marvel loves to stoke the flames on it. I mean we did get Omega Red, and Cyclops in MI, with Emma Frost, Rasputin Juggernaut, and North Star coming up. So if there really was an embargo, those all would have been pulled. Heck, Illyana wouldn't have made it into the Dr. Strange set even. Avengers and Spider-man are in right now. The toons are helping with that as is the MCU. X-Men will make a comeback later on the merchandise front once they get a stronger audience foothold again. Fantastic 4, not so much. They've tried a couple times already with those on the two previous movie lines and a legends line. Those didn't do well. Fantastic 4 banks on screen, but typically not on shelves outside of the main 4 and the fantasticar. The movie is leaning more ultimate universe fantastic 4 and wouldn't really need a toy line until maybe the sequel. At which point Hasbro could possibly merge the Fantastic 4 line and X-Men lines as one toy line if Fox really is looking to merge those cinematic universes. It's a matter of timing and striking when the iron is hot. Right now it's not. Last edited by Snowflakian; 07-10-2015 at 02:55 PM.. |
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isn't as popular? that's bull, there are 7 movies in the X-men franchise with 2 filming and 3 green lighted. Wloverine was recently ranked the fourth most popular super hero in history (with I believe Spiderman being the only Marvel character to top him) but I'm sure white tiger, Falcon cap, chick Thor, Tiger Shark, Jack o' Lantern, Misty Knight, Machine Man, and all of there other releases have a much bigger following than, what was until a couple years ago, the biggest comic book property on the planet! They're argument holds no water, they seem to be trying to produce more collector focused obscure figures, so if the X-men are all of a sudden so damn "obscure" then where are the figures? the real irony is that they're restructuring everything to be female and minority biased (especially Avengers) and rushing to make figures of the P.C. squad, while alienating the X-men, who are literally an allegory for racism and prejudice! (but at the end of the day I'll stick to the theory it's all about the money, and giving an FU to another competing company. I just wish they'd be honest about it.
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isn't as popular? that's bull, there are 7 movies in the X-men franchise with 2 filming and 3 green lighted. Wloverine was recently ranked the fourth most popular super hero in history (with I believe Spiderman being the only Marvel character to top him) but I'm sure white tiger, Falcon cap, chick Thor, Tiger Shark, Jack o' Lantern, Misty Knight, Machine Man, and all of there other releases have a much bigger following than, what was until a couple years ago, the biggest comic book property on the planet! They're argument holds no water, they seem to be trying to produce more collector focused obscure figures, so if the X-men are all of a sudden so damn "obscure" then where are the figures? the real irony is that they're restructuring everything to be female and minority biased (especially Avengers) and rushing to make figures of the P.C. squad, while alienating the X-men, who are literally an allegory for racism and prejudice! (but at the end of the day I'll stick to the theory it's all about the money, and giving an FU to another competing company. I just wish they'd be honest about it.
No movies for X-Men will be out this year. No toon series. It's harder to cross market when you don't have the material being prevalent at the time to the mainstream. Fantastic 4 doesn't sell. That's not on obscurity, that's on toy sales. We are still getting X-Men figures in MU/I and possibly even more next wave as the All-New Marvel takes more center stage. I expect All-New Wolverine is one of the figures that'll make it out in both MU/I and Legends at some point. The rest of the newer is a wait and see on reception from their character changes and who has the stronger focus. We'll probably see a Psylocke re-release towards Apocalypse's movie too. Probably a re-release of apocalypse too. If you look at the lineup shown, all are hotly sought after figures except for maybe 2. Those 2, one is a villain so it fills that niche, and the other had a legends figure that was pretty well received and also caters to the Zombie Marvel fans which bolsters cross play. If you look at legends, it's a random mix n match, but they also have the BAF to help push those. Villains are highly demanded(everyone complains about no villains so now they provide some with Ant-man that doesn't really have a rogues gallery to draw on), and they also managed to work in a few hotly sought after new characters and toon represented characters. Spider-Gwen has a strong demand for a figure, and White Tiger actually does too. Heck, several of those villains were the exact ones that were complained about previously only being con exclusives, and also have appeared in the Avengers toon and the Spider-man toon. Jack-O-Lantern himself had a strong presence in some recent Spider-man stories too, and has an interesting look as well as helps round out more spider-man villains. He's a prevalent character to the spider-man library that isn't green goblin but still fits within that same rogues circle of the goblins. It's about balancing it. With who knows how many wolverine figures already out there, it's easier to pass on those for now, and come back to them later. Covering characters that haven't been made should be the priority. In fact, the complaints would be reversed if they did release X-Men filler in those lines(plus it'd make no sense to do X-Men characters in dedicated legends lines to Avengers or spider-man anyway). It'd be "why do we need another wolverine?" Etc. So let them hold off on that until the next Wolverine movie is in theaters. Deadpool being rated R means less merchandising room on that one too. Though that'd be a funny one to do, the bankability on it has yet to be fully proven outside of the collector crowd. The movie should up that, but then we still have to wait for after the movie first. Timing is everything in the market. Causing a small drought also ups demand for stronger sales later. We're also talking major retailer orders. This is where hasbro gets their orders from and they have to work within those confines to get what we want on shelves. You have to keep in mind the disconnect between what the average person, the collector, and the kids would want and what retailers think they want. What retailers see right now is the demand for Avengers and MCU stuff. So that's what they want to put on shelves. Even when retailers dig a little deeper, what they see is demand for stuff like Spider-Gwen, the new Captain Marvel, Sam Wilson Cap, and Lady Thor. And while you complain about the "Political correctness approach" and the "minority character representation" alongside the gender changes, Marvel is laughing all the way to the bank with stronger sales by reaching out to wider audiences to include them and give them representation too. Marvel is evolving and there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. So be patient. X-Men will get a merchandising foothold again later. Right now, the MCU, the toons, and All-New Marvel are the bigger media pushes. Previous X-Men franchise films except for 2, have all had merchandise made of them. The 2 that didn't were First Class and DOFP, but the reception was extremely strong for those, so we may see Hasbro try again later when the new films are closer to release. Releasing that stuff now when not even an X-Men trailer is available and no toon series on air makes zero market sense and retailers would probably skip on ordering it because in their eyes, there is nothing to push the sales of it. Last edited by Snowflakian; 07-10-2015 at 03:40 PM.. |
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there is a difference between "evolution" and an obvious attempt to draw in a different demographic at the expense of your core fan base with what basically amounts to publicity stunts. plus the 2 X-movies (three if you don't count the shit box 5 POA Wolverine Figs we got)that we didn't get any merchandise for were the films released after Marvel was acquired by the mouse, including the Marvel select Mystique played by Jenifer Laurence, (is she "marketable" enough for you?) coincidence? If you think every X-man has become " un marketable" overnight, and every Avenger becoming black, Muslim, or a woman overnight is "natural" I don't have a response. and as far as Marvel "laughing all the way to the bank... name two chain stores that actually carry physical comic books? the sad truth is they can get away with shitty writing political pandering, kill offs and emasculation of characters because NO ONE READS COMICS ANY MORE! Disney didn't buy Marvel to put out gritty cutting edge writing they make big budget summer movies and figuratively wipe there asses with print.
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07-10-2015, 04:37 PM | #37 |
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Had to find a way to sneak just one more Cap in there before giving us Sam Wilson Cap, didn't you Hasbro?...
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07-10-2015, 04:43 PM | #38 |
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UPDATE: I have found out the Taskmaster will include an alternate Udon head and the Captain America will include a Cap-Wolf head. Last edited by Phantomcrow; 07-10-2015 at 04:52 PM.. |
07-10-2015, 06:08 PM | #39 |
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Is that a new shield? Looks better than the previous one. That Mockingbird looks awesome. So does Taskmaster.
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Yay for Mockingbird! It's about time her modern suit got a figure!
And that Taskmaster is perfect! I guess that costumes exposure over in the ultimate spider-man toon last season really helped. That's definitely my preferred costume for him. I wish these were 4'' scale though. Quote:
there is a difference between "evolution" and an obvious attempt to draw in a different demographic at the expense of your core fan base with what basically amounts to publicity stunts. plus the 2 X-movies (three if you don't count the shit box 5 POA Wolverine Figs we got)that we didn't get any merchandise for were the films released after Marvel was acquired by the mouse, including the Marvel select Mystique played by Jenifer Laurence, (is she "marketable" enough for you?) coincidence? If you think every X-man has become " un marketable" overnight, and every Avenger becoming black, Muslim, or a woman overnight is "natural" I don't have a response. and as far as Marvel "laughing all the way to the bank... name two chain stores that actually carry physical comic books? the sad truth is they can get away with shitty writing political pandering, kill offs and emasculation of characters because NO ONE READS COMICS ANY MORE! Disney didn't buy Marvel to put out gritty cutting edge writing they make big budget summer movies and figuratively wipe there asses with print.
All 3 of them carry comics now. TRU they're right by the check out lanes even. Stories don't have to be gritty to be good. But they are exploring more story paths now and are succeeding with higher sales and stronger figure demands because of it. The market is speaking and it's speaking positively. Even longtime fans are still reading to see where the stories go. You've already said yourself before that you don't read them, so they aren't really losing your sales by not pleasing you anyway. And yeah, I do call it a natural evolution because the world is more than white males. So diversity does actually represent the real world. The new Ms. Marvel is a fantastic and fun character and her reasons for taking on the mantle were very well handled in the comic, especially after Carol changed hers to Captain Marvel instead. Which is also a natural evolution, but it's been skipped over for decades because she was pioneered to be her own character. Now even with the mantle, she still is as she's literally owned it and taken it to better heights with well written stories. The parallels they used to her air force days and the history of that has really pushed the title to great things. And hell yes I'm happy with the All-New Wolverine, it's about time X-23 got the mantle. They've been building that up since her premiere and hinting at it since then. Her literal first real costume was Wolverine's fang suit. And that was back in 2005. Clint Barton Hawkeye's new suit as used in the MCU is actually Kate Bishop's original suit but gender bent for his use. The Purple and black arrow suggestive design with the sunglasses was always her costume until they started using it for him with the MCU buildup instead of his circus performer suit. Falcon and Cap have been partners for decades, if Bucky hadn't been brought back to life, he probably would have worn the suit the first time Cap died. Bucky being the only partner that exceeds the length of time cap and Falcon have worked together. No one has been emasculated. All those previous stories still happened. Those characters still made impacts and have done amazing things, but a natural story evolution is needed. Characters can't be in their 20s-30s forever. At some point characters have to age. Steve has lost the super soldier serum effects many times in the past so that's not a new story device to placate political correctness. It's an old idea but handled differently. Carol's powers literally came from Captain Marvel. X-23 has been hinted at replacing Wolverine since her premiere. Spider-Gwen is literally a what if story that sold so well and was so talked about the public demanded a solo ongoing of it. Marvel never planned for that one but were happy to oblige. The market is speaking, and it's saying these changes are successful. Lady Thor is still outselling previous Thor titles. And who she is, actually fits to the universe they built. Marvel is dabbling in legacies, and it's working. It's going to pave the way for directions to take in the MCU too, because eventually those actors will age out of the roles and it gives marvel more choices. Instead of being forced into reboots or recasting, now they can naturally evolve the characters and change the mantles as the story progresses and the universe ages. Overall this makes a far more coherent and longer living serial media universe to bank on. As seen, they can still do the older stories or new spins on the characters too. Old Man Logan is getting his own ongoing. They still do period stories set in the different eras they need for whichever characters they want to use. The current universe though in present times is evolving and sales have been consistently better because of it. Even A-Force has sold extremely well because of the wider appeal. One More Day is a forced retcon, these are actual natural story evolutions with history and foreshadowing that's been decades in the making. The sole one that hasn't had that kind of history push is because she actually does represent real world diversity and makes sense because of that. How they handled that one though is still wonderfully done and makes sense with how the character idolized Carol Danvers. Ms. Marvel has always been an empowering title, and now it still is in a new way while Carol's character is being much better handled and explored as Captain Marvel. Even Miles Morales has been a fun read, and for me at least, brought me back to reading Ultimate Spider-man after I started getting tired of it. Though I did love the Gwen Carnage story idea they used over there too. It's been more fun though to read how a new character is handling the mantle, and his impact has been pretty widespread and accepted. So much so he's even being added to the normal Marvel Universe now. Last edited by Snowflakian; 07-10-2015 at 06:51 PM.. |
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there is a difference between "evolution" and an obvious attempt to draw in a different demographic at the expense of your core fan base with what basically amounts to publicity stunts. plus the 2 X-movies (three if you don't count the shit box 5 POA Wolverine Figs we got)that we didn't get any merchandise for were the films released after Marvel was acquired by the mouse, including the Marvel select Mystique played by Jenifer Laurence, (is she "marketable" enough for you?) coincidence? If you think every X-man has become " un marketable" overnight, and every Avenger becoming black, Muslim, or a woman overnight is "natural" I don't have a response. and as far as Marvel "laughing all the way to the bank... name two chain stores that actually carry physical comic books? the sad truth is they can get away with shitty writing political pandering, kill offs and emasculation of characters because NO ONE READS COMICS ANY MORE! Disney didn't buy Marvel to put out gritty cutting edge writing they make big budget summer movies and figuratively wipe there asses with print.
THe PCing started in school about ten years ago. So now if you disagree with changing a character's ethnicity or gender, you are a racist and a bigot. So the PC culture is prevalent due to the media bias. THey see profits in being PC. Now a big part of PC culture is lack of free thoughts such as the SJW(SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS). They are in essence egotistical and narcissistic. A lot of 20 and under have become SJW"s due to school, where no one is ever corrected, and every child is special. THis is what I have been taught as a teacher. I am not white or black, with that said, blacks and females have a lot of money invested in the media and the PC culture. One has a groupthink mentality and females tend to have a herd mentality. Without opening a can of worms, you are right in your thoughts, but everyone else who is the above will be against you. I know children who accuse their parents of being bigots and racists just for disagreeing with a trendy viewpoint. Sad part is the kids have no idea what being racist is or a bigot, it's just a word to throw around in the new PC culture which is liberal, left wing, media and ultimately monetarily driven. But I heard recently comics have been selling very well, but they probably mean online combined with what little publishing takes place and put into actual physical stores. Most of new comic "readers," are casuals. This is where Disney and a lot of game companies sees profits. Thus they ignore TRUE, HARDCORE, LONG-TIME fans, and cater to the casuals. This leaves many real fans in the dust, until the market crashes on them, they will then run back to the hardcore to pick up the pieces. Last edited by VashTS; 07-10-2015 at 06:29 PM.. |
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Does that Mockingbird head resemble the face of the Songbird that never got released? I'll need to google some old picks of that Songbird...it seems familiar.
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I'm going to ask that this topic veer back into being about the toys and the reveals. It's going wildly off scope here. Thanks.
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He has a laser energy sword now, has for a couple years. I just wish this was the UDON version, but this outfit is pretty much his current outfit.
UPDATE: I have found out the Taskmaster will include an alternate Udon head and the Captain America will include a Cap-Wolf head.
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The embargo is very real. Anyone who doesn't see that is burying their head in the sand and believing the lies they're being feed. Disney wants to eliminate these characters in the public eye in favor of ones they own fully. This is why there haven't been any X or FF reveals and why there won't be.
They're being taken off of t shirts and video games. How many waves of Legends since we've had an X or FF character? Excluding the exclusive. Yeah, some stuff has made it out, but we've seen from statue makers that things that were far enough down the line and close to being finished were fine. They're playing a long game here. They want it so in 10-15 years kids and young adults won't even know who these characters are. And it'll work if people honestly think the reason we haven't had an X character in a wave of Legens in 2 years is because of a "lack of popularity." The movies are the thing now. Everything else is supplemental to that. I'd wager to say that we're only a few years off from not even being able to find comic versions of characters that don't resemble their movie counterparts. It's all about brand synergy and no toyline or comic book or video game is earning billions with a "B". I hate to be the barer of bad news, but I am. |
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The taskmaster is streets ahead of the last one. Though im starting to think ill die before I ever see marvel legends release a speedball figure.
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All I hope for is some 6" recognition of the 20th anniversary of Age of Apocalypse next year. That's all I want. Just give me AoA Blink, Magneto, Sabretooth, and a build-a-figure AoA Apocalypse and I'll be fine. I'll endure the mutant-less months gladly if this happens.
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Loving the Gwen sculpt! Can't wait to see it 100% finished.
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