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08-03-2016, 08:46 AM | #1 |
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Here's the trailer for Iron Fist on Netflix.
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03-18-2017, 05:47 AM | #2 |
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I'm a few episodes in, and I'm not going to make any final judgements yet but so far I'm not impressed. No spoilers:
So far Danny Rand seems like a stoner who just got back from a gap year before college rather than someone intensively trained in martial arts for years, and the Meachum twins are lumps of wood. The plot so far is extremely boring too, and not well paced. The fight choreography seems like a major step down after Daredevil and Luke Cage as well. I binge watched Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage in a couple of days each, at this point I can't see myself rushing to get through Iron Fist, or finishing it at all if it doesn't improve rapidly. To be fair, it has improved slightly from episode one which was a real drag.
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We watched the first five episodes of Iron Fist today and I seriously don't know what the reviews were saying. This show is great. Sure, compared to Dare Devil and Luke Cage, it is inferior, but the only negative I have so far is how slow moving the first episode was. However, that is just an issue with all of the Netflix shows. Everything else has been well done so far. They're building up towards having a villain (and hopefully it will be a costumed villain and not a business suited one), the action scenes have been well done, and even though I'm not a fan of them race swapping Colleen, she has been one of the strongest parts of the show. Oh, and the music that sounds like it came from Tron is great too. That scene on the pier was pretty damn badass. If you go into this show wanting to see something completely new, then you're probably watching the wrong thing at this point because until Marvel does a horror based series/movie, I don't see that happening. Nevertheless, I am not disappointed one bit so far. Oh, and another awesome hallway fight sequences!
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I'm only three episodes in, and I didn't read any reviews of it but so far I'm finding it fairly mediocre. Boring plot, bland acting, poor pacing, nowhere near as well choreographed as the other Netflix shows. Were episodes 3-4 significantly better? I do hope so, I was prepared to dislike Danny Rand a lot more than I do, and I really want to enjoy this show but so far not so much.
I do agree that Colleen Wing is great though, the best part of the show so far. Did the race swap her? I thought she had a Chinese father and a Japanese mother in the comics and that's been the case in the show as far as I know?
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03-19-2017, 12:15 AM | #6 |
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Finished the Netflix Iron Fist show and liked it. It wasn't the best Marvel Netflix show, but it was still good in my opinion. Colleen Wing is a great character on the show. I'd love a Daughters of the Dragon spin off miniseries with her and Misty Knight or a side plot with them in a future Heroes For Hire series.
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We watched the first five episodes of Iron Fist today and I seriously don't know what the reviews were saying. This show is great. Sure, compared to Dare Devil and Luke Cage, it is inferior, but the only negative I have so far is how slow moving the first episode was. However, that is just an issue with all of the Netflix shows. Everything else has been well done so far. They're building up towards having a villain (and hopefully it will be a costumed villain and not a business suited one), the action scenes have been well done, and even though I'm not a fan of them race swapping Colleen, she has been one of the strongest parts of the show. Oh, and the music that sounds like it came from Tron is great too. That scene on the pier was pretty damn badass. If you go into this show wanting to see something completely new, then you're probably watching the wrong thing at this point because until Marvel does a horror based series/movie, I don't see that happening. Nevertheless, I am not disappointed one bit so far. Oh, and another awesome hallway fight sequences!
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03-19-2017, 09:09 AM | #8 |
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See, I can't agree there at all. Luke Cage was phonemonal. It was the only show I felt 13 episodes was not enough. It needed like 18 episodes while DDS1 could have been 10, JJ should have been no more than 7 or 8, and DDS2 would have been perfect being one episode less. Cage had phenomenal photography with excellent lighting, a badass soundtrack, and great characters all around with the likes of Diamondback, Cottonmouth, Cage himself, Misty, Shades, Pops, etc. Sure, none of the villains were as good as Purple Man or Kingpin, but considering the MCU doesn't understand how to do villians properly, they weren't bad.
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Yeah, that was my bad. I forgot she was half Japanese in the comics because she's a red head, which is why Cyclops had a thing with her when he thought Jean was dead.
See, I can't agree there at all. Luke Cage was phonemonal. It was the only show I felt 13 episodes was not enough. It needed like 18 episodes while DDS1 could have been 10, JJ should have been no more than 7 or 8, and DDS2 would have been perfect being one episode less. Cage had phenomenal photography with excellent lighting, a badass soundtrack, and great characters all around with the likes of Diamondback, Cottonmouth, Cage himself, Misty, Shades, Pops, etc. Sure, none of the villains were as good as Purple Man or Kingpin, but considering the MCU doesn't understand how to do villians properly, they weren't bad. |
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03-19-2017, 09:59 AM | #10 |
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I still have one episode left of Iron Fist. While he is my favorite of the 4, I think this show has potential but just missed the mark of being great by a little bit. Casting is good, show is pretty good overall. The action scenes seem a bit weak. This is probably what real kung fu would look like but because we've seen some amazing stuff in movies this seems a bit lame and badly filmed. Madame Gao was OK, but Bakuto was horrible. Better villains would definitely help.
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After watching all of Iron Fist, my opinion is that while it's better than both Jessica and Luke, it fell short of both DD seasons. I don't like the way it portrayed the Hand or most of the villains save Gao who I've loved since her introduction. Like DD though Fist's subplots got way too much screen time.
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See, I can't agree there at all. Luke Cage was phonemonal. It was the only show I felt 13 episodes was not enough. It needed like 18 episodes while DDS1 could have been 10, JJ should have been no more than 7 or 8, and DDS2 would have been perfect being one episode less. Cage had phenomenal photography with excellent lighting, a badass soundtrack, and great characters all around with the likes of Diamondback, Cottonmouth, Cage himself, Misty, Shades, Pops, etc. Sure, none of the villains were as good as Purple Man or Kingpin, but considering the MCU doesn't understand how to do villians properly, they weren't bad.
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I also thought Luke Cage should have been longer, especially for Diamondback's material. I think we needed a bit more time fleshing out his relationship with Luke. Cottonmouth actually surprised me as an intriguing villain (at first I assumed it was the Serpent Society member) and I would have preferred that he stuck around longer as I am a big fan of Mahershala Ali's work.
These shows need subplots, but they need to feel connected to the overall narrative. DD's second season's subplot between Punisher and Karen was a prime example of how it should be done. On the other hand, Nuke was a completely waste of time in JJ.
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I loved the beginning of episode 1.
"That was the old Aku, this is the NEW Aku!" "I thought after I destroyed all of the time portals I would just wait it out, but it has been 50 years and he hasn't aged. All he's done is grown that stupid beard." lol Also, loved seeing them bring back the use of light in this show as that battle scene in the temple was badass. So after finishing the second season of Better Call Saul, we went ahead and watched episodes 6-8 of Iron Fist. The show is starting to get stagnant as too much time is being spent on the Not-Lannisters rather than being a super hero show. Also, for being a show about martial arts, the fight choreography sucks. The battles in the sixth episode were just atrocious to sit through. I mean, one of the guy used a god damned spear and they did NOTHING with it. Then in the 8th episode we get a guy using the drunken style, but Danny stands there most of the time gazing with a blank stare as if he isn't sure whether to fight or laugh. Also, the dude who plays Ward is starting to get on my nerves with his over acting. That scene when he met with Danny in his dad's penthouse was horrible. Thankfully, there is still enough good going on in this show that keeps it from being bad, but this may end up becoming my least favorite of the MCU shows and probably on the same lines as Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow as far as the final product is concerned. For the Venom movie, it makes sense why it wouldn't be connected to teh MCU. Also, I'm getting more enjoyment laugh at those that swear the upcoming movie Life is actually the Venom movie.
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I only watched the first 2 eps and I'm really just not a fan of this at all. The pacing is really weird, there seems to be a lot of pointless scenes, and the fight choreography is just awful. For a character who is supposed to be THEE master of martial arts, they really should have done better.
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I just watched episodes 9 and 10, and yet again the fights suck. How is it that a show about martial arts doesn't seem to have the characters fight with martial arts? It's just street brawling stuff that we got with Jones, DD, and Cage. Where is the fluid, fast past, beautiful motions that is supposed to encompany this sort of fight style? Also, where is the super natural aspect? A guy that can come back from the dead does not count. I want to see alternate dimensions, dragons, demons, etc. Where is all of that? The show isn't bad or anything, it's just not doing anything to make itself stand out from everything else. It's just going through the motions. Lastly, I finally figured out why Danny isn't exactly wowing me. He is just the same boring and uninteresting character he has always been in the comics. He was lame in the 90s comics that featured him. He is lame in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. And he is flat out lame here. I guess I should be happy that they are keeping with the source material, but since he hasn't put on a god damned costume yet, I can't.
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I just watched episodes 9 and 10, and yet again the fights suck. How is it that a show about martial arts doesn't seem to have the characters fight with martial arts? It's just street brawling stuff that we got with Jones, DD, and Cage. Where is the fluid, fast past, beautiful motions that is supposed to encompany this sort of fight style? Also, where is the super natural aspect? A guy that can come back from the dead does not count. I want to see alternate dimensions, dragons, demons, etc. Where is all of that? The show isn't bad or anything, it's just not doing anything to make itself stand out from everything else. It's just going through the motions. Lastly, I finally figured out why Danny isn't exactly wowing me. He is just the same boring and uninteresting character he has always been in the comics. He was lame in the 90s comics that featured him. He is lame in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. And he is flat out lame here. I guess I should be happy that they are keeping with the source material, but since he hasn't put on a god damned costume yet, I can't.
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The more and more I hear about the Iron Fist series, the more I don't want to watch it. Even if it's not bad, per se, it doesn't sound good enough for me to bother watching, especially when I already have other stuff to watch. I guess I'll just keep binging the original run of Samurai Jack to catch up for the new season, and wait for Defenders to come out.
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The only thing that is disappointing me about the Iron Fist series thus far is the fights. How any one of these goon clowns is able to land a punch on perhaps the second best martial artist in the Marvel Universe (second only to Shang Chi) is beyond me. Danny's character is a breath of fresh air from the ho hum negativity that came out of the three characters in the shows before it, and the romantic chemistry between him and Colleen is far better and more believable than that of Murdock and Elektra or Jones and Cage...
In addition, I don't think it's so much that the fight scenes stink, it's the cinematography that comes with it. A lot of the scenes suffer from hyper fast cuts, poor lighting and bad angles, most likely to cover up the real life limitations of the actors within the scenes. The director could learn a thing or two from the Wachowoskis... |
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I think Iron Fist is just a casualty of the initial Marvel/Netflix deal and the agreed upon production schedule. I was anticipating this show after the initial Defenders announcement, so I followed every rumor, interview, and news story pretty closely. Here's what I think went wrong:
The Netflix/Marvel shows do not have individual budgets, the money all comes from the same pool. Iron Fist seemed to be a tough nut for the writers to crack, as there has been numerous reports (some of them 100% verified, from what I remember) of production trouble where they just could not decide upon a direction for it. Scott Buck was the showrunner who finally got it off the ground (which seems to have earned him his position on Inhumans), but a lot of time (and presumably money) had already been wasted with the previous failures to launch. What didn't help matters is that The Defenders HAD to start filming production by a certain date or the original contract would have been breached (this has been reiterated at various times). Naturally, Iron Fist needed to come BEFORE The Defenders. So, Iron Fist was placed as the last solo Defender series after LC, JJ, and 2 seasons of Daredevil had eaten up the budget -- and let's not forget that there had to be something left for The Defenders itself afterward. I'm assuming this is why all of the aspects I wanted to see the most, like Danny's training in K'un L'un, were skipped over entirely. Budget constraints. But you can work around the budget. Problem is, you can't hide a rushed production. Casting took longer than the other shows, and Finn Jones had three weeks to train in Martial Arts before filming began. And apparently the actors often had only 15 minutes to learn the choreography of each individual fight. Beyond that, rushed production means less time for multiple takes in addition to less time for shot coverage. Choppy editing doesn't help, but I'm sure the editor did their best. It's easy to see why the fights were so underwhelming. I'm not using this as an excuse, mind you. I was hugely disappointed in it after the first viewing, but upon watching it again with family, I enjoyed it quite a bit more. It's not bad, just okay. It's about on par with Luke Cage to me -- except IF was more consistent, while LC had 6 or 7 great episodes and then fell off a cliff. Arguably, they should have cast a lead actor with prior experience in Martial Arts to begin with. But I'm sure they picked the best guy who could portray the character the way they intended, and I'm fine with that. He did more talking than fighting anyway. Personally, I liked Finn Jones and the more childish Danny Rand a lot. Jessica Henwick's Colleen Wing was my favorite character though. *Daredevil's season 2 may not have been part of the initial contract, it may be separate like The Punisher. Can't remember off the top of my head. |
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BTW, does anyone know when Iron Fist takes place relative to the rest of the Netflix series? I'm trying to figure it out to get a good sense of when Defenders takes place (and because I semi-obsessively have to know the chronology of the MCU), because I think it was said to take place 6 months after Iron Fist. I know when all the other series take place, due to clues in the show.
Daredevil Season 1 takes place in late 2014 (just due to seasonal clues), Jessica Jones takes place in early 2015 (it starts in January-February 2015, we can see some dates in the hospital scenes), Daredevil Season 2 takes place from mid to late 2015 (police crime scene autopsy report in the first episode has a date of July 20-something, 2015 on it, and the last couple scenes in the last episode take place at Christmastime; however, we don't know how chronologically far-removed from the rest of the season those scenes are), and Luke Cage takes place roughly around the same time as Daredevil Season 2 (I remember some statement from some interview or something saying that, plus Claire returns home to Harlem during the series after we see her leave Hell's Kitchen during DD Season 2). I haven't seen Iron Fist, but one thing I can immediately think of to help date that show is how long it's implied that Claire has been training with Colleen. Remember, near the end of Luke Cage (can't remember what episode), Claire sees a poster for Colleen's self-defense training classes and takes a stub off it with the phone number. Seeing if there's any clues that imply how long Claire has been training with Colleen could help us know how long after Luke Cage the show takes place (and whether or not it's too afraid to move past 2015 for some reason like the rest of the Netflix shows thus far), and therefore when Defenders takes place. Last edited by Jeddostotle7; 03-21-2017 at 12:51 AM.. |
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Think it goes how they have released the series (chronological order) so far there isn't any jumping back and forth unless its a character's origin area i.e kingpins origin. I know they are linked and mostly through clare's story of meeting new heroes, she's like the coulson from the movies but of the netflix series. coulson met the avengers individually first like clare is with the defenders.
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Think it goes how they have released the series (chronological order) so far there isn't any jumping back and forth unless its a character's origin area i.e kingpins origin. I know they are linked and mostly through clare's story of meeting new heroes, she's like the coulson from the movies but of the netflix series. coulson met the avengers individually first like clare is with the defenders.
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I just finished Iron Fist on Netflix, and while it wasn't awful it is hard to argue that it isn't a failure. First, I guess the writers come from the “tell, never show” school of writing television, because all exposition is given in dialogue. I could hardly believe that it ended before we ever see the oft-mentioned K'un-Lun or even the monastery where Danny lived aside from a few fleeting flashes of memory. I understand that early on they wanted to toy with the possibility of him being crazy, but in the end it just felt low budget.
But what is really unforgiveable is the lackluster martial arts on display. No one really moves convincingly, like the actors they hired just couldn’t get it down, and the showrunners decided to just keep going. Nameless minions could get away with that, but Finn Jones needed to have it down. The fighting here should be more impressive than it was in Daredevil, but instead it is far inferior.
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@juggernaut209. I do agree with the martial arts. though the silhouetted intro looked like something from the comcis but wasnt ever used which would look nice in colour. the iron fist story felt dragged , out compared to the others. Last edited by warmachine6; 03-21-2017 at 06:35 AM.. |
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