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07-30-2017, 12:53 PM | #26 |
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Marvel just has a bunch of dumb ass writers who have strayed from making comics about superheroes battling villians and have gone into real world political storylines because they can't just write a 2 or 3 issue arc of the Masters of evil ripping off a bank to finance a new weapon that Baron Zemo wants to make to cause a massive earthquake in NYC & the Avengers have to stop them. No, it has to be about political issues. I got into comics as a kid in the late 70s due to the fact that they took me away from the real world problems & issues for 22 pages of great art & battles between make believe characters. Now these writers have to make yr long story arcs that cross over into multiple titles and involve politics, race issues & other real life stuff that I really don't care to read about in a "comic book about make believe superbeings.
The color, nor gender , nor race had to be changed on any character to make me read a comic books as a kid, a young adult or middle aged man. If the art was great and the storyline was action packed with heroes/villians pummeling each other, I was hooked. That's why I loved Marvel teamup featuring Spidey and a different superhero every other issue or 2. We got great art and stories that only took 1-2, maybe 3 issues to tell! When Claremont & Byrne were on MTU were the greatest in the title's history. Then they went on to write the great but short lived 15 issue Ironfist run before they made history on X-men. I'll take Perez/Byrne/Kirby/Buscema/Heck/Golden/Romita/Lim/Lee/Gibbons/Layton/Bolland/Dillon/ just to name a few over the vast majority of today's "artists" Just about anything those guys drew, I bought! The story could be great, but if the second I open the 1st page, that art looks like an 8yr old drew it, I put it write back down. The art is what always drew me to comics 1st, story 2nd. Perez & Byrne were then & now my all time 2 favorite artists and they always drew their characters in their correct and listed hgts! No giant 8-9 ft Hulks or 7ft Thors. At one point in the 70s/80s, those 2 were drawing everything in both comic companies. That's how dam n good and in demand they both were. They both created some of the most well known characters in both Marvel & DC as well. George Perez created the White Tiger, Deathstoke the Terminator & Taskmaster as well as helped co-create the Teen Titans. Byrne created Alpha Flight. Now, thanks to the MCU, today's Marvel writers and artist just base their stories and art on what the movies are doing. Knowing what has been done to a lot of my favorite marvel characters these past few yrs all in the name of PC, makes me so glad I quit collecting comics right after the Planet Hulk/WW Hulk arc. That's why I really hope the ML Vintage line succeeds, so I can get a chance to buy classic versions of the "comic book" characters I grew up reading as a kid & not figures of actors. Last edited by Parademon1; 07-30-2017 at 05:48 PM.. |
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BTW, I'm originally from NY, so I know Mexicans aren't the only hispanics as I grew up with Puerto Ricans. However, like I said, I have never touched anything of his run.
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I haven't read anything either, and frankly don't want to. Can't stand characters who assume somebody else's mantle unless they've been established and earned it like Dick Grayson. Miles Morales is literally just some other kid who is Spiderman, purely for the kick of a different race.
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I always assumed Miles was Dominican, tbh.
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in comics, it seems like none of them are Mexicans. lol
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08-02-2017, 07:54 PM | #35 |
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Marvel Comics hasn't gotten a dime from me since Thor became unworthy. DC was sometime before Superdoomsday and Gordon Robocop Batman. I was picking up IDW Transformers, but I also do buy TF's and when I kept getting "double" issues by getting the issues with the figures after buying the original sale comic, I moved over to just downloading them since I didn't know which ones I would get later with a figure and which ones I wouldn't. TBH, I don't know how anyone reads comics anymore. Between the price and that they can't seem to tell a story anymore. It's all crossovers or "big" events that require 30 titles to understand, or it's by writers who don't seem to understand the characters they're writing or shoehorning some other character in them, and it doesn't matter because they'll be writing someone else in a few months anyway due to the next shakeup. Yes, there's hyperbole there, but the point still stands. Of everything Marvel, with some slight irony, the comics are the weakest part IMHO. Last edited by Pravus Prime; 08-02-2017 at 07:56 PM.. |
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The torso of the new Man-Thing figure is covered with a soft plastic shell that has the sculpted vines and moss. There is a hard plastic torso underneath the soft shell, meaning the shell could be swapped for a new sculpt. The whole figure feels softer than normal and I suspect that some of the limbs are made the same way. Also, we had the scale discussion the other week. Hasbro will never get scale right since it usually changes from artist to artist so there isn't much point in try to recreate it when it will probably be different before the figure is released. Being in the "ball park" is what they need to shoot for.
No matter how you slice it, it's still not gonna work for a Sasquatch figure as he isn't 7ft tall. I guess you'll be happy with a Sasquatch figure that is smaller than the Hulk. The Juggernaut fig is 9 inches tall, at the very least Hasbro has to make Sasquatch that hgt if not the properly scaled 10' hgt. A BAF 10' Sasquatch would be their best seller BAF ever. If people are buying up an entire wave for man thing, Vulture wings and others for Mantis, regardless if they are selling off some of the figures in those waves, then the Same would happen with Sasquatch. Make it an EE Alpha Flight boxset exclusive ala the comic based GOTG boxset, that includes never before done members of Alpha Flight such as Aurora, Shaman, Northstar & Snowbird, a re-done Vindicator on the newer bucks & re-release the VHTF & expensive Puck figure and that set is selling! There are a ton of AF fans, myself included, that have been waiting 25+ yrs for the entire original AF team to be done in 6' plastic. TB did them in 5' scale back in the 90s and that Sasquatch was a thing of beauty, looked just like a John Byrne drawing come to life! Hasbro has to use that figure as the model to do a 10' version exactly as that figure looked. There is nothing wrong with kids being introduced to comic characters through media. It might even be the stepping stone for them to start reading comics. That's how it was for me. And kids don't need to have wealthy parents to read comics. Most TPBs come down in price on Amazon if you wait a few months and Comixology runs weekly sales that offer single issues for $1 and TPBs for $4-5. Marvel also has an online subscription service that lets you read as much as you want. There are other, cheaper options to traditional comic shops which are few and far between these days. "Nothing wrong" you say? Have you read the latest statistics that have been printed on the reading levels of kids in America today? Most teens are reading at a 3rd-4th grade reading level. Kids today prefer to spend their time playing Xbox/PlayStation, texting, hanging out rather than order an online subscription of Marvel comics & spend their valuable time "reading". If all those options are available and "cheaper" options than traditional comic shops, then how are comic stores still even able to stay in business? Because of people like me that grew up as kids reading Marvel/DC/Image/DH/Indies and still continue to do so as adults because they have the disposable income to splurge on $4-$5 comics that today's teens don't have. I go to my local CBS to check out figures and I watch & observe who is around the comic book racks & guess what? It isn't a ton of teens, it's mostly adult men & a few adult females that are still buying & collecting comics, not teens! So even though those other venues are available to them, that doesn't mean they care to take advantage of that & read actual comic books, they just prefer to go to the movies and see them on the big screen. Another thing, unless the marvel female character is on the movie screen, these kids ain't buying the female comic based figures either. I just hit TRU/Target & Walmart today & the pegs are saturated with tons of White Tigers, Misty Knights, Hellcats, Angelas & I'm even starting to see a bunch of Phoenix figs on the pegs. Why is that, cuz these kids don't read the comics so have no idea who they are. It also doesn't help that those stores don't put these figures on clearance & still have them up for $14.99-$19.99. Otherwise, maybe customizers would buy em up. That A-force boxset? Had they released that as singles, I'd say that half would be collecting dust on the pegs. She-Hulk, Sif and possibly Photon or whatever she's known as nowadays, would sell. What kid knows who's Elsa Bloodstone? That sparkly female, Singularity? Even I don't know who she is due to the fact that I stopped collecting after WW Hulk. But even if I knew who she was , I still wouldn't buy her due to the fact that how exactly would you display her power as a figure? It's like Photon, she can turn into different spectrums of energy/light, unless Hasbro made some clear "energy" looking variant of her, she is pretty much useless as an "action" figure. That's why I hate that Cyclops doesn't come with an "optic" blast accessory! That's his sole mutant power, but yet, TB & now Hasbro still can't make that simple but very vital "optic" blast effect for Cyke, But they could make 3 heads for Jean? |
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08-03-2017, 12:03 AM | #37 |
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If Marvel wasn't owned by Disney, I do wonder if they'd still print comics. So many of their titles can't even sell 20K anymore. As I said before, it has to be far and away the least profitable part of the Marvel IP. You'd be surprised at some of the names kid fans know, as games like Marvel Future Fight has a crap ton of characters and lots of obscure characters, like Elsa Bloodstone in it. Other characters, such as Sif have both their movie and their comic costumes. |
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"Nothing wrong" you say? Have you read the latest statistics that have been printed on the reading levels of kids in America today? Most teens are reading at a 3rd-4th grade reading level. Kids today prefer to spend their time playing Xbox/PlayStation, texting, hanging out rather than order an online subscription of Marvel comics & spend their valuable time "reading".
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Another thing, unless the marvel female character is on the movie screen, these kids ain't buying the female comic based figures either. I just hit TRU/Target & Walmart today & the pegs are saturated with tons of White Tigers, Misty Knights, Hellcats, Angelas & I'm even starting to see a bunch of Phoenix figs on the pegs. Why is that, cuz these kids don't read the comics so have no idea who they are. It also doesn't help that those stores don't put these figures on clearance & still have them up for $14.99-$19.99.
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As for the Star Wars /Marvel comp, no go. Star Wars started as a movie series so it makes complete sense that the figures represent the actors. Not so with Marvel where from 1963 till Ironman premiered in 2008 , no 6' scale figures were made in actors images but in their comic's image. And for whomever is assuming I hate the MCU, you couldn't be more wrong, I have every MCU movie done and can't wait to add GOTG vol 2 later this month! I love em. I just don't care for figures of actors, hence I call em cosplayers. I hear people saying " I can't wait for that Cris Evans Cap figure". I'm like wow, it's because it's "Chris Evans" , not that it's just "Captain America". But what can you expect in a time where hardly any kids under 16 read comics anymore or just plain read period! As a kid in the 80s, I read every Stephen King Novel I could get my hands on! They just know of these characters via the movies. I feel sad for the new generation, I really do. They'll never experience the joy of going to a comic shop & buying a stack of Marvel/DC/Image/Dark Horse comics and laying on the bed reading them for hrs.
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I was going to say something about not piling-on Parademon1 and remark that Ark’ers may be confusing his passionate stances for pugnacity and acrimony, but he seems pretty content to take on the entire thread…..soooo, I won’t be doing that.
I add the following, not to lend support, but to clear up a couple of things about what Parademon1 said that do (in fact) ring somewhat true regarding a wide spectrum of cognitive development vectors, youth-education, and current peer reviewed research. Now, I left a career in education long ago and no longer enjoy Lexisnexis-access to professional journals, but there is a swiftly growing mountain of research and complimentary reportage regarding the detrimental affect smart-devices can have on learning and cognition within children: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...s-and-toddlers Language Delay: Kids Who Use Smartphones Start Talking Later | Time.com https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...ssroom/480231/ Kids And Screen Time: What Does The Research Say? : NPR Ed : NPR That’s just five minutes of searching and skim-reading articles on the web – not a scholarly investigation of peer-reviewed studies, so take it however you want. That said, I do have an interest in these sorts of things and I’ve digested (both academically and professionally) numerous elements of the process of education. Kudos to jwyss234 for highlighting the importance of Head Start, you couldn’t be more right about its function to decrease the vocabulary gap between economically challenged communities and more affluent ones. The reduction of funding for these services, first at the hands of Obama and Boehner via the ‘Grand Bargain’ (not so ‘grand’ at all), coupled with this current administration’s attacks (not to mention the travesty that is one Betsy De Voss as the current Secretary of Education) on the program, serve only to imperil the future of our children and our nation by extension. Anyways, back to toys… @Dark I didn’t mean to imply that I thought the phenomenon was ‘new;’ eBay sellers have been doing this from the start. What is interesting to me is that *Dorkside* (thanks Kirathis) and other online retailers of Hasbro products have legitimated what I consider a ‘hustle.’ I’m pretty surprised that Hasbro doesn’t seem to care. However, I guess they’d have no beef if the online retailer 'buys’ the product and then resells something that is now (technically) their property. I’d like to know a bit more about how that process works… Last edited by TheBlueMarvel; 08-03-2017 at 08:35 AM.. |
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And even if that is true, and not a grossly inaccurate and simple reading of studies and statistics with much more complex and grey conclusions and implications than you think, is that their fault, or the failure of the educational system in America? As for who is at fault, everyone. The educational system is all based on test scores. Half of a teacher's pay these days is determined by the scores each student received in the classroom. There are times when a passing score is actually higher than the actual score possible on the test. Also, the funding a school receives is also based on the test scores. If the school has low scores (which is often the case for schools in poor neighborhoods) they receive less funding than a school that has high scores. The parents are at fault because many of them feel their child is entitled to good grades because they are their child. One of the teachers I know had a woman start banging on his classroom window until he let her in and then demanded that her daughter's grade on a test be moved from a B+ to an A or she was going to sue the school district. The principal told him to change her grade because it wasn't worth the hassle.
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Yeah manga's been popular with kids and teens for a while. It helps that it's cheaper and easier to get into as well (since you don't have 60 years of history and retcons).
As for the education issue, I'm sure there'd be less animosity in this thread if literally the same poster didn't constantly spout off the same (largely unprovoked) rants about the youth of this country not being as good as they used to be ect., which usually come out of nowhere and just kind of sound like this after a while: How toy discussions keep turning into generational sociology debates is quite confusing to me. But I digress. True. My other suggestion is that we get the chair as a "Build-a-Vehicle" like they did with Vulture's wing suit. Last edited by hasbroherofan; 08-03-2017 at 07:56 AM.. |
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My mistake , I should have clarified that I was just referring to the MCU starting with Ironman in 08'. And to prove my point, all those Pre-MCU movie figs of the actors look like pure caca. So if anything, you proved my point with those pics. I never owned any of those as well during the TB era.
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I know a lot of this will likely get scrubbed by a mod, but I want to add in my two cents as to why the sociological side comes out so readily:
There's going to be discussion about the characters attached to the figures being released, that much is unavoidable. Part of the problem, though, is that rather than saying that one doesn't like X character (which is totally valid, because who the hell is gonna like every character that comes down the pike?), some people will use it as a platform. It becomes less "I don't like this character" and more "this character is a waste of plastic/writing" and "this character only exists to pander to X" or "this character is emblematic of the ruination of comics/toys because of X connection to Y movement/political stance/culture/gender/etc". Which, really, is getting really into hot-button territory. Honestly, that bull doesn't matter. If you don't like the character/figure, don't buy the character/figure, but don't take a piss on the people that enjoy that character/figure. Unless it's connected to a larger problematic situation (IE Secret Empire), nothing about the character/figure is going to be impacting your life in any significant way just by virtue of existing. The same goes for this whole discussion about MCU figures - if you don't like them, you don't like them, and that's totally cool. That doesn't mean you have to make page-scrolling posts about why your opinion is the right one and needs to be shouted from the rooftops. In the words of Bill and Ted, just
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Dude, yes. While Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is just a comedy on the surface, it has a lot of undertones to it that I love. "Be excellent to each other" is a notion that I've always tried to live my life towards. It's a simplistic ideal, yet so integral to the human race as a whole.
Ok, sorry for getting philosophical. lol Just wanted to say that I love Bill and Ted beyond just the humor.
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I beg to differ on John Jr being better than Layton. I mean if you're talking bout early John Jr I might agree. But for some reason he changed his art style later In his career & I didn't like it at all. His early work on IM was awesome: especially his work on "Demon in the bottle" story arc. I consider his version of ironman back then the iconic look for the classic yellow/red armor. A figure based on that armor is long overdue.
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WWHHOOORRRAAAYYYYYY! Bendis is gone from marvel....though its a sad day for dc comics readers as dc had just comitted bendiscide.
Link to the announcement. https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...comics?ref=yfp I gotta go drink a beer in celebration.
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WWHHOOORRRAAAYYYYYY! Bendis is gone from marvel....though its a sad day for dc comics readers as dc had just comitted bendiscide.
Link to the announcement. https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...comics?ref=yfp I gotta go drink a beer in celebration. 2--OMG?? 1--Bendis is gone! 2--Gone? 1--Yes, gone. 2--Bendis is? 1--Yes. 2--Wow! 1--I know! 2--He's gone! 1--I know! 2--That's... 1--Yes. 2--.... 1--Some is attacking out of character. And paying absolutely not one whit about continuity! Let's go! Valid example of why I think that Bendis is a hack writer. This is a day for celebration. Last edited by Captain Nash; 11-07-2017 at 11:48 AM.. |
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Bendis was one of the major reasons I dropped Marvel back when he wrecked the Avengers to fill the roster with Spidey, Wolvy, Doc Strange, IF, DD, Cage, Sentry & a few more characters that were laughable to call "Earth's mightiest" So now Wolvy was an Avenger & X-men & be featured in 6-7 different titles every month? WTF! Sorry, The vast majority of characters that Bendis made into Avengers were not team players or in the case of Wolvy, were already on a team. IF & PM function way better as HFH, not as part of a team. Spiderman to me, has always been a solo hero who occasionally teams up with other heroes hence the great classic MTU series, DD is also another solo hero who works best on his own.
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Bendis was one of the major reasons I dropped Marvel back when he wrecked the Avengers to fill the roster with Spidey, Wolvy, Doc Strange, IF, DD, Cage, Sentry & a few more characters that were laughable to call "Earth's mightiest" So now Wolvy was an Avenger & X-men & be featured in 6-7 different titles every month? WTF! Sorry, The vast majority of characters that Bendis made into Avengers were not team players or in the case of Wolvy, were already on a team. IF & PM function way better as HFH, not as part of a team. Spiderman to me, has always been a solo hero who occasionally teams up with other heroes hence the great classic MTU series, DD is also another solo hero who works best on his own.
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