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04-08-2012, 07:49 PM | #26 |
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Wait, wait ,wait. Hold on. Disney owns a porn company?
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04-08-2012, 07:55 PM | #27 |
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yeah i don't see the action figure market really lasting much longer as is. once personal 3d printers get more affordable, i can imagine 3d toy model piracy being an issue. since 3d printers can already print colors and moving parts, only a matter of time before you only need to purchase files and resin. then just make figures at your leisure.
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04-08-2012, 07:56 PM | #28 |
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yeah i don't see the action figure market really lasting much longer as is. once personal 3d printers get more affordable, i can imagine 3d toy model piracy being an issue. since 3d printers can already print colors and moving parts, only a matter of time before you only need to purchase files and resin. then just make figures at your leisure.
I have a friend at work who is working on making his 3d printer create parts to make another 3d printer. |
04-08-2012, 08:08 PM | #29 |
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Yes. Disney owns a mess of companies, and distribute different things through different companies.
Many companies they don't want people to know they own. I'm not sure if they still do or not, but they *did* own Miramax, at one time. So, basically Disney published Clerks, and Dogma, and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, amongst others. Among the things they don't want people to know they own, is a porn company. Not being familier with that industry, I've never known which one it was, and I also don't know quite how to find the information. But I do know it's out there. Disney owns a *lot.* And they'll play dirty for it, too (Pixar is evedent of that. Pixar felt Disney wasn't giving them their fair share of profit, given they were doing all the work. So when their contract came up, they started to shop around for a new company to work with, and disney did a hostile takeover and bought them out. Lemme dig around and see if I can't find anything on the disney/porn link. EDIT: I can't find anything concrete one way or another. So file under urban legend, or rumor. I just don't know where to look. And it probably would not be anything very obvious, and shielded by a few fake companies. But this is what I did find: Disney's Not-so-disney interests- the rumor is on there. But it's the only thing on that page that can't easily be verified. List of assets owned by Disney- They no longer own Miramax, but I was right, that they used to.
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04-08-2012, 08:12 PM | #30 |
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yup, then we wouldn't have to worry about who gets what license, what version of the character, articulation, scale, distribution, and production timelines. tons of really talented 3d modelers out there who'll make all kinds of anything. especially with the software becoming more and more accessible or even free like Blender. companies like hasbro already utilize 3d printing to do their prototyping. once that tech gets really cheap, it won't even matter.
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04-08-2012, 09:28 PM | #31 |
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Yeah that what be awesome. The same buck for every figure that would get over with legends fans.
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04-08-2012, 09:31 PM | #32 |
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they just need to go back to something like this:
BAM! 4 different figures :P
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04-08-2012, 10:33 PM | #33 |
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Dude, you know if that was in MU, it would be 4 variations of the same single pack.
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04-08-2012, 10:41 PM | #34 |
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hells yeah it would! all in the same wave too
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04-09-2012, 03:08 AM | #35 |
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Well, can we enjoy it for now? I mean some of their 6" stuff is cool and all but their 3.75" stuff are like statues. Thinking of this makes me =( The day Mattel gets the gig I'm walking away from this hobby.
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04-09-2012, 07:10 AM | #36 |
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Sure, and they could also hire McFarlane to run things- or Rush Limbaugh for that matter...and really, a Red Skull that happens to look like Obama would be kinda funny.
Vonner's firing from MU may have been less than amicible and that follows a person. And him selling (if that's really him) the next wave of MU figs on ebay for $900 months before they are released sure looks bad. As in "never work in the industry again" kinda bad. Possibly Lawsuit Bad....I cant imagine Hsbro is happy with that noise. Not so! Disney, for all their flaws, is crazy about quality- they want their stuff to only be top quality since it represents them- if people think 'cheap crap" from a Disney product, they think that of Disney itself. Crappy quality is a messy (and public) lawsuit waiting to happen too...recalls and such being a PR nightmare for a company like Disney. It's the small silver lining in their having bought Marvel. Following that line of thought, Hasbro is where Lucasfilm chooses to keep it's Star Wars liscence- that says a lot about quality to non-collectors. Besides, we know nothing of Mattel's agreements with Warner Brothers- there are likely prohibitions from Mattel handling other superhero properties next to theirs- after all, how would WB know they were getting the top quality and marketing if their competition was being made by the same people? WB are not the people to piss off either. About Disney, I have seen plenty of examples of both products that are very well crafted and others that are terrible - all with the Disney logo on them. Fair warning - I'm a Disney enthusiast. That said, stuff I've bought from both the theme parks or in stores have been hit and miss. Some have held up for ages; others didn't get home from the store. I make no assumptions about quality of their licensees. I only assume that the profit margin for Disney is great. |
04-09-2012, 07:26 AM | #37 |
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Because of certain lines like Super Hero Squad(which is on the hub now!) that's a hit with kids, and now how Marvel Universe is marketed, I don't see Disney dropping hasbro anytime soon. There's too much hand in hand marketing going on.
If anything it works too much in Disney's favor to keep working with Hasbro. The Potato heads being a prime example(since he's used in toy story). Mattel also doesn't have the best sales track record outside of Barbie. They're also too much the source of scandal with the lead paint and other recalls. When you add in how much they are the go to for WB, it also makes it seem like a conflict of interest for which lines they push. As much as I love the Four Horsemen Sculpts, I don't trust mattel handling Marvel well at all. It'd be the death of the 4'' scale lines, no squadies, and while the legends could see some interesting additions they'd be sparse and hard to find. All around it's in Marvel's best interest to stay with hasbro and their distribution channels. The only perk that could come out of this would be Female Marvel superheroes Barbies. If anything. My main concern right now is that Disney might be thinking Hasbro would make a good acquisition because of their brands. Something that would help bolster Disney to have another in house mass released toy company under its hat, another channel, and tons of IPs to work with in the future. Considering they have a fairly friendly business cooperation abroad, it does make me a little concerned. Last edited by Snowflakian; 04-09-2012 at 07:29 AM.. |
04-09-2012, 08:32 AM | #38 |
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I keep hearing this everywhere and I guess it makes sense. That is why figure makes keep trying new gimmicks to make them more playable. Maybe the kids these days just don't have good I imaginations from having way too many TV shows to watch and video games to play but who is to say? I can say that I still see kids in the toy aisles but more more I hear parents saying "no that's too expensive" or some variation of that. The prices have risen too much too fact just like gasoline has.
On the bright side, if something like MU became a more specialized adult-focused line then you would expect better figures for a higher price. At least, one would hope. Also, I will say that I've been a huge gamer since I was like 5 years old and I've always maintain my interest in toys to some degree. |
04-09-2012, 08:43 AM | #39 |
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If anything. My main concern right now is that Disney might be thinking Hasbro would make a good acquisition because of their brands. Something that would help bolster Disney to have another in house mass released toy company under its hat, another channel, and tons of IPs to work with in the future. Considering they have a fairly friendly business cooperation abroad, it does make me a little concerned.
Hasbro's nowhere near as big as Disney, but if Disney came knocking now, I think Hasbro could fend them off (Unlike Pixar, or Marvel). Or at least put up enough fight to make it not Disney's worth while. However, something no one's really considered... Given how Disney either does everything themselves, or aquires companies to do it for them, I'm surprised they haven't started their own toy company, years ago. But, let's not forget that Marvel aquired Toybiz years ago, and turned it into Marvel Toys. No one's considered that Disney now owns Marvel Toys. It's far more likely that Disney will return the marvel lisence to Marvel Toys, than it is that they'll give it to Mattel. But, if Hasbro's handling of the Marvel franchise is still successful by '17, Disney won't do anything.
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Back then, $8 got you a Marvel Legend with a 6" fully articulated figure, a full comic, and a gigantic BaF piece that was as big as the action figure. Now it doesn't even get you a 3.3/4" MU with no accessories. I agree with Iceman completely on this. Rising prices do have a lot to do with the failing toymarket.
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yeah, lol, i forgot about the whole size class renaming. and 8 bucks for a new legends is pretty incredible considering the cost of a figure the same size today went up about 100%
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04-09-2012, 09:20 AM | #42 |
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04-09-2012, 09:24 AM | #43 |
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Even when we see gimmicks like in the Avengers, it's almost aways the crap with the figure, not built into the fig itself like Toybiz used to do. |
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04-09-2012, 02:15 PM | #46 |
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IIRC, Marvel Toys was dissolved when Hasbro was granted the master toy license to the Marvel characters. If that's the case, Disney/Marvel would still have to create a toy company from scratch if they want to keep the license in-house.
No, this is speculation at best.
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They are when you consider the fact that back when Beast Wars was king, that Basics cost $5, and now Legends are $7, and Cyb Commanders are almost $10. Both classes smaller than Basics were, and Commanders now cost the same as a deluxe did back then.
Back then, $8 got you a Marvel Legend with a 6" fully articulated figure, a full comic, and a gigantic BaF piece that was as big as the action figure. Now it doesn't even get you a 3.3/4" MU with no accessories. I agree with Iceman completely on this. Rising prices do have a lot to do with the failing toymarket. A lot of things combined to make higher prices for many products such as shipping going up when fleets became docked because of less goods moving around in a slower world economy. Oil prices directly effect the price of many plastics but even when prices to make figures go down it's not like we will ever see lower prices at retail. Once a price gets bumped up it stays there.
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Thread began with a hypothetical question. Like a "What If" its possible. Its understandable why fans like MU to stay with Hasbro; and reacted accordingly. Yet surprising news of Hasbro firing Vonner conjures the following question = why should Hasbro keep Vonner when they MIGHT not keep Marvel? It may explain why Hasbro fired an otherwise great fan-favorite David Vonner.
As repeated, we won't know till 4+ years when Disney decides which toy company to give it to in 2017. Can go either way; Hasbro or Mattel. Its not about that. Question is "What If" Disney does what they often did (and give another license to Mattel) to add to that toy company's already long laundry list of Disney-owned licenses? Focusing back on topic. WHAT IF it POSSIBLY does happen = what would you guys like (or don't like) to see? |
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Sample (hypothetical) Answers:
1. I like to see you (Mattel) keep the same quality / articulation of MU figures which Dave Vonner crafted in his previous employ. 2. I'd like to see Amalgam action figures if you (Mattel) use 4H bucks for both Marvel and DC. Using 4H bucks for both, may work well, achieving a "uniformity" across super hero action figure lines. However great this uniformity, I still also like to ensure there remains a great variety of body types. Example, 4H bucks used on Bane should not be used on Puck. 3. Because I'm a fan of both quality / articulation of Hasbro's MU, I want to see Mattel keep it that way; or improve upon it. And in the event you hire Vonner, please have him craft his same articulation / quality in your DC Comics 3.75 inch lines, too. Last edited by Super Joe; 04-10-2012 at 12:22 AM.. |
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