Runamuck:
So...no more going to ebay for toys? More specifically, older toys? Please don't tell me that's what that means.
Flint:
That's going to hurt alot of people for sure. Sad day really, especially for the collectors.
Da_Last_2_Walk:
I'm glad I collect MISB/MOSC!
Lody666:
What the hell is this going to do to Ebay??????
AdrienVeidt:
No mention of what the law is actually called/codified as? That's some good journalisating there, Lou.
All that would have to be done to get around this would be to put a sticker on said items specifying the product is intended for the use of those 13+. Maybe we'll start to get carded when we buy Joe figs at Target, now.
superquad7:
Well while I understand the motivation of this, I have to say that this is just excessive.
Shin Densetsu:
I read over at TFW2005 that this law only applies to toys that were recalled in the past, for example if you have one of those CARS toys that were recalled because of lead paint, you can't resell it.
Fred21: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu  I read over at TFW2005 that this law only applies to toys that were recalled in the past, for example if you have one of those CARS toys that were recalled because of lead paint, you can't resell it. | God I hope so because that is not only ridiculous, but WTF are they thinking?!?!? As it was said, stop letting these huge business go to China and we won't have any problems.
How am I supposed to complete my Super Powers figure collection now!!!!!!  Shin Densetsu: Quote: |
As it was said, stop letting these huge business go to China and we won't have any problems.
| If the companies did that, are you prepared to pay much higher prices if the toys are instead procued here?
DESTRO:
Completely Unenforceable............
deceptifocus:
if it were true to the letter though, Ebay is pretty bad about enforcing the lamest of rules/laws
Autobot_Goldbug: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu If the companies did that, are you prepared to pay much higher prices if the toys are instead procued here? | I believe Takara-Tomy is moving its production to Malaysia... or was it Thailand? Well somewhere in southeast Asia.
fosterlager:
Until I hear more info about this action, I'm VERY glad I already have nearly all of the vintage toys I've ever wanted.
Optimus Scourge: Quote:
Originally Posted by VMF115 I started a thread a few weeks back on the SSMHQ on this crappy subject and law.......One thing I did contact some people about this law and there might be a loop hole...as long as the items are being sold to adult collectors on ebay with some sort of disclaimer....
Its not just toys that had lead paint issues but all toys in general for resale to children under the age of 12.
*Lots of links*
So our classic toys now become adult toys............  | Unbelieveable.
I can see no problem on ebay, just put in an adult collectible section on ebay, that happens to sell us Adults our "kids" toys
This is going to affect people who make anything actually for kids, like, oh, say, Hasbro, as they need to pay for inspection, that means a cost increase inevitably.
Do not approve.
Jarodimus:
Hrm. The CPSC's website isn't clear to me whether date of manufacture matters:
This makes it seem like any children's product is fair game after 2/10/09: Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) Summary - Section 101. Children’s Products Containing Lead; Lead Paint Rule Quote:
Lead Content Limits
The limits on the amount of lead in children’s products are phased in over the course of three years. By February 10, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger may not contain more than 600 ppm of lead. Children’s products that contain more lead than 600 ppm are banned in the U.S. after February 10, 2009, and the sale of those products can result in significant civil and criminal liability. The statute provides that paint, coatings or electroplating may not be considered a barrier that would make the lead content of a product inaccessible to a child. After 1 year from enactment, or August 14, 2009, products designed or intended primarily for children 12 and younger cannot contain more than 300 ppm of lead. The limit goes down to 100 ppm after three years, or August 14, 2011, unless the Commission determines that it is not technologically feasible to have this lower limit.
| But this says only products made after the dates in question need to have the certification to be sold: Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA), FAQs For Section 101: Children’s Products Containing Lead; lead paint rule FAQs Quote:
600 ppm – children’s products may not contain more than 600 ppm of lead
- February 10, 2009 (general conformity certification required for products manufactured after that date)
300 ppm - children’s products may not contain more than 300 ppm of lead
- August 14, 2009 (third party testing and certification required for products manufactured after that date)
| Autobot_Goldbug:
eBay already had this at the bottom of any toy listing for a while now... Quote:
Dear Seller
Please note that the U.S. Product Safety Commission periodically issues toy recalls. Please review the CPSC website for specific details on all recalls issued and do not list items that are a part of any recall.
| Optimus Scourge: Quote:
Originally Posted by Autobot_Goldbug eBay already had this at the bottom of any toy listing for a while now...
| This is new. the one on ebay is for recalled items, the law is ANY child's items, even clothes I know a place in town that is all nice quality used childrens' clothes will likey shut down if used items can't be sold at all?
AdrienVeidt: Quote:
Originally Posted by Autobot_Goldbug I believe Takara-Tomy is moving its production to Malaysia... or was it Thailand? Well somewhere in southeast Asia. | They also closed down their USA Offices. Moving production out of China was most likely due simply to the rising standard of living in China and its inherent rising cost of labor.
SPLIT LIP: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu I read over at TFW2005 that this law only applies to toys that were recalled in the past, for example if you have one of those CARS toys that were recalled because of lead paint, you can't resell it. | Bolded, enlarged, underlined and redded for fucking truth. Damn, somebody needs to edit the news title as that is just a flat out incorrect statement. Now there's going to be yet another unecessary shitstorm over here, too. My goodness.
Mullexwing:
The media and government can't quite put their finger on why the economy is failing, and then they pass another piece of legislation like this that causes thousands of Americans to close up shop and hit the unemployment lines. Thanks Barrack Obama for placing your yes vote on this one.
trebleshot: Quote:
Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP Bolded, enlarged, underlined and redded for fucking truth. Damn, somebody needs to edit the news title as that is just a flat out incorrect statement. Now there's going to be yet another unecessary shitstorm over here, too. My goodness. | Based on the language of the law that I read here: http://cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/summaries/101brief.html
and this supplemental letter regarding retroactive application of the new law, I didn't see anything that explicitly stated it only applied to items that have been recalled due to excessive amounts of lead. Even the FAQ on their site does not state it applies only to recalled items.
From what I understand of the law, in general it applies to all products designed and manufactured with the intention that they are to be used by children 12 and under. However, since there is nothing explicitly stated regarding whether this can/will be applied retroactively, it is ambiguous at best.
Regardless, I think that the retroactive application of this law is, as Destro put it, "completely unenforceable." This expansion of the 1988 law as a whole seems to be a typical knee-jerk political overreaction to the lead paint recalls from last year and the subsequent ebay nonsense that followed.
GogDog: Quote:
Originally Posted by trebleshot Based on the language of the law that I read here: http://cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/summaries/101brief.html
and this supplemental letter regarding retroactive application of the new law, I didn't see anything that explicitly stated it only applied to items that have been recalled due to excessive amounts of lead. Even the FAQ on their site does not state it applies only to recalled items.
From what I understand of the law, in general it applies to all products designed and manufactured with the intention that they are to be used by children 12 and under. However, since there is nothing explicitly stated regarding whether this can/will be applied retroactively, it is ambiguous at best.
Regardless, I think that the retroactive application of this law is, as Destro put it, "completely unenforceable." This expansion of the 1988 law as a whole seems to be a typical knee-jerk political overreaction to the lead paint recalls from last year and the subsequent ebay nonsense that followed. | Yes, but it specifically states in both of those links that it will only apply to items that contain 600 ppm of lead, which is the effective new standard of "hazardous" levels. So anyone that thinks that all toys ever can never be resold are mistaken.
trebleshot: Quote:
Originally Posted by GogDog Yes, but it specifically states in both of those links that it will only apply to items that contain 600 ppm of lead, which is the effective new standard of "hazardous" levels. So anyone that thinks that all toys ever can never be resold are mistaken. | I agree, it won't be the end of the secondary toy market.
But the only way to know if a toy does violate the standard, is to have it tested. This is why I think the "retroactive" aspect of the law, real or implied, will be virtually impossible to enforce.
Although it does make me want to test my 2-year-old's clothing for lead. o.O
AutobotAssassin: Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu If the companies did that, are you prepared to pay much higher prices if the toys are instead procued here? | I don't think they would be that much higher a dollar or two maybe? and besides if the company were over here maybe I could get a job there and get a company discount! YEAH USA!
deceptifocus:
that still sounds like we wont be able to get any NEW stuff off ebay and the like thats hard to get, ideally and legally conforming MOST internet places like BBTS wouldnt be able to sell alot of stuff either, like how they sell other store exclusives at a higher premium
Joe Moore: Quote:
Originally Posted by deceptifocus that still sounds like we wont be able to get any new stuff off ebay and the like thats hard to get, ideally and legally conforming MOST internet places like BBTS wouldnt be able to sell alot of stuff either, like how they sell other store exclusives at a higher premium | Please read the link I posted above.
deceptifocus: Quote:
“….with respect to phthalates, the legal analysis is different.* * * With regard to phthalates, Congress created a consumer product safety standard and the clear statement of unambiguous intent to apply that standard retroactively cannot be found.”
Therefore, the Counsel’s conclusion is that the new standard applies to “only those products manufactured after the effective date of the new standard.” (Emphasis added)
| its in the phthalates section though, seems like with the wording the lead items are different?
GogDog: Quote:
Originally Posted by deceptifocus i did and responded as such, it affects NEW items after the date of the bills affect acording to the summation in the post, the link just goes to a home page for me that i have yet to find anything about reselling items tho  | The only new items it affects are toys that fail lead testing by the federal government. That's it.
deceptifocus:
i got it now though, i didnt see anything about a reselling of legal stuff so it doesnt matter :P
Joe Moore:
Ha! The original link has now changed their tune. They got nailed for overly sensationalizing the story.
Flint:
Good news on the update. I think we can all rest easy knowing we still have the ability to get that elusive Copper Kid any time we want   deceptifocus:
i can smell the lead in that thing from here
Flint: Quote:
Originally Posted by deceptifocus i can smell the lead in that thing from here | No no, it's copper  dark69:
oh ok this is better news
Enigma2K2:
... Maybe it's justa ploy to get you to buy new... expensive toys?
My problem with this... they expend this much effort on this.. and while I agree with the recall of the toys with the lead paint, they don't do anything to improve QC on said toys?
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