Discussion Of The Week- Marvel Universe 2010 Wolverine

The Marvel Universe line is missing 2 notable figures of Wolverine:

• Tiger Stripe classic 90's version(cartoon version too)
• Astonishing X-Men version(current costume)

Arguably the tiger stripe design from the 90's is the most popular and recognizable. So popular in fact, that it is the primary influence for the Astonishing X-Men costume(which in turn was a return to the spandex costumes after the Morrison run).

Now the ASX costume has had some changes since it's debut. It now has the guard panels on the gloves and boots, seen 1st in Civil War. Depending on who the penciler is, Wolverine tends to have the long eared mask. The 1st drawings of the ASX costume were with the shorter ears, influenced by his 1st costume.

Out of all the Wolverines in the Marvel Universe line, I am surprised that we are missing these 2. Ideally we would get both in 1 year, but if we had to choose just 1 for 2010,

Which would you want more for Marvel Universe, Astonishing X-Men Wolverine, or the classic Tiger Stripe Wolverine?

DISCUSS!

i want the astonishing costume more because it fits in with my new avengers team.but i would buy both.

I'd buy both too but I want a tiger stripe version 1st to replace my XMO Wolverine version; the latter is lacking!

I want both as well, but I prefer the Astonishing costume a little more over the tiger stripe.

Oh, and welcome back Discussion of the Week. I missed you.

I'd rather get the Astonishing X-Men version, because we did get the full tiger stripe with the movie line, and the Astonishing one fits better with previously released characters and costumes in the MU line... Mostly the New Avengers (Ronin, Bucky Cap, Luke Cage) and that makes me want the Astonishing one more.

I hope they fix the mold to be a bit shorter though. Wolverine dwarfing Magneto is an embarassment to Hasbro.

I really want a correct X-Force version. Which is the ASX costume in the black and silver. But wolverine def needs to be way shorter.

Astonishing X-Men Wolverine (Nuff' Said).

I'm gonna have to agree with everybody basically. I'd get both but I'd like an ASX version because XMO gave us a (crappy but legit) Tiger strip costume

I still like my "crappy but legit" version. What a great figure!

Lol I do too! But I wish it had MU articulation

I'd have to agree with most on here that I'd buy both but even though the tiger stripe is what I remember growing up the ASX would be more current and the one I bought first if given the choice since we have had the tiger stripe in XMO.

If i bought the line i'd go for the tiger stripe, axm is nice but just doesn't compare to the old school look.

I'm throwing my vote in for the Astonishing look. I also want to see the tiger stripe look, but Astonishing X-Men is just that cool that it comes out on top for me.

To tough, the yellow one was a pivotal part of my childhood but the Astonishing costume is so nice. I'd say Astonishing since we technically already got a tiger Wolverine.

Hmm, ya know that DOES work for Hasbro, as it gives them an excuse to pop out a repaint in X-Force colors. They have made a few figures based on the Astonishing X-Men design, and judging by the sculpt, it's cool that they know the differences between the initial ASX costume, and the refinements made later on:

• Marvel Legends wave 12(initial Astonishing X-Men costume, no panels)
• SuperHero Squad(has the refined panel lines on the gloves/boots and panels
• XMO Wolverine deluxe w/Colossus(has panels)

When the Gigantic Battles Sentinel w/Wolverine was 1st rumored, my 1st thought was "YES this might be the Astonishing X-Men/modernized Wolverine for Marvel Universe!". It was either that or a Classic Sentinel pairing with tiger stripe Wolverine.

I grew up with the tiger stripe wolverine, since we already have the jim lee jean grey, and a nightcrawler, colossus, archangel coming, it will make the jim lee xmen group look more complete, it will also look better if they release a Gambit or jim lee cyclops. Hasbro haven't even made any astonishing versions yet, why would you throw astonishing wolverine with the xmen we have so far? It dosent even fit or make sense. Well, i'm only collecting the original costumes of each superhero of marvel. I won't buy astonishing versions. I can speak for other friends of mine that will agree with me, for we are old school Marvel fans. Besides, most of the people that already posted their comments said they would buy both, please release the tiger version first, then they can start releasing astonishing xmen.

I must be in the minority cuz I actually love the Wolverine Origins figure - his small stature works perfectly with the MU figures opposed to the hulking MU wolverines.

If they did do one it would have to be the Astonishing x-men outfit as we only had that in UNMASKED form in the WO line

I would love both but I think they need to re-do the body they have now.

I like that wolvie has open hands to hold weapons but it looks horrid when you have him stabbing badguys. I also don't care for his physique. Most of the Marvel characters are buff but they over do it with the figures.

Well its much of a muchness really, I mean they are very similar. I'd prefer the current Astonishing costume because the X-Men origins figures fit the bill for both his 'Tiger Stripe' and brown/orange costumes, and I'm trying to pull together a collection of the current New Avengers team.

I'd like to see the astonishing/civil war wolverine already.

Tiger stripe is good enough in XMO, but we only got the unmasked version of the civil war/astonishing outfit.

His small stature is cool but I don't like the plastic quality, and his elbows are some what restricted in movement. I prefer the way the MU Wolverine feels in comparison, plastic is more rigid, sculpt looks more detailed, plastic doesn't feel as cheap, the only bad thing is that he is too tall.

Well to be honest it got its start in the 70s.....Jim Lee brought it back for XMen number 1....Joe Cockrum and John Byrne drew him in it and he began his first appearance with the Xmen in it.

I have the WO one which looks better compared to the MU one (Shorter). Id rather have a short AXM Wolverine.....

I already got my iconic Wolverine twice in brown costume. I know these two costumes in the poll will be coming to MU eventually, but I'm not looking forward to them unless they shrink Wolverine down to size and fix his neck. I'll stick to the MU's and XMO I've already got, though I will buy and Sentinel w/wolvy Gigantic Battle if its ever made.

i could care less about another poster child of marvel! what I would like to see is more females from this line!

I'd still like to see a re-done Tiger Stripe, especially since I skipped the XMO version for that very reason. I'll gladly take an AXM version in MU as well, as long as both fix the height/scale issue. But Tiger Stripe first, please. First, classic costume; second, modern; third, whatever other redecos that can be made from the mold.

Of course, I'd really like to see him in his debut costume since it hardly ever gets done. Or even the Days of Futures Past version (with Sentinel, natch).

That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Hence why the poll choice and 1st post specifically state the 90's version, I think we are all aware Wolvie's 1st costume was tiger stripe with short ears and lines on the cheeks.

Debut costume would be great eventually, I'd love to see a comic pack of Hulk #181 with an older style Hulk VS 1st appearance Wolverine in the MU line.

actually it does, you state that you would like to see that both versions be issued this year, I don't really see why we would waste space in the run with yet another wolverine figure when everyone knows that female sell off the shelf faster.....so if these "wolvie slots" were taken by females then the lines would sell more giving ample time to make both versions of your precious wolverine......

The topic is on Wolverine

the question you pose is ...
Which would you want more for Marvel Universe, Astonishing X-Men Wolverine, or the classic Tiger Stripe Wolverine?
there is a comma and no other choices????, so if it is strictly a question which over produced over exposed over the top character you would like to see?....i choose neither no more of this guy hes already had 3-4 figures in this line he is becoming the cobra commander of m.u. !!not to mention he has his own wolverine line which adds another 6 or so figures...... i think hes had enough.

There are other threads for wanting more females in the line. It's like a topic for example of the X-Wing VS TIE Fighter, if someone brought up how they wanted a Green Lantern figure instead, that would have nothing to do with the X-Wing or TIE Fighter.

As for there not being any other choices? That's the point of a poll. The poll is asking which Wolverine would you want to see more. If I wanted to debate something contrary to the poll at hand I would make an entirely different thread based on a different subject.

Anyways looks like this is close to a tie. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw both versions of Wolverine eventually, I just have no idea which would be produced 1st. The release of the blue/yellow X-Men costume Wolverine from late last year was a surprise.

Bah... BAH!!! Do over on the brown and tan one!

The Marvel Universe one? That one is okay for now, scale aside, I just hope we get a new one later on that is in scale, has the bigger ears from the later run, and an X printed/sculpted on his belt buckle.

You have to wonder though, we got a Wolverine in this year/series already. Marvel has stated that we will get A LOT of mutants this year of which we know, Nightcrawler, Storm, Juggernaut, Archangel, Havok and Mystique.

We also know that we got Wolfie v Sentinel coming up and Civil War comic packs shortly after. I totally agree with you that we will probably get both and my prediction is

ASX Wolfie with Civil War Comic Pack

Tiger Strip with Sentinel

I will be getting both, Hopefully.

Scale is more important to me than avoiding ball joint legs, so I'm perfectly happy with the Wolvies from the XMO line. I popped a tiger stripe head on the astonishing body, and it is a pretty close match. It's not a perfect match, but I've seen worse on Hasbro produced figures. The too tall MU version just bugs me (although I really like the X-Force costume figure).

I'd much rather new slots go to all new characters.

An accurate X-Force costume with an all new body and properly scaled too would be cool, can be repainted in the ASX colors. It is a neat costume.

i got an idea ,why the tiger stripe maybe be the rare edition of AXM costume in MU lol

Well again you need to go back and read the old Uncanny issues....he was never in the X Men with the same mask (short ears and lines on the cheeks) he made his debut with in Incredible Hulk.....So as I said before the 90s suit is the same as the 70s (Uncanny X men) suit 'cept for the X at the Buckle....Cockrum gave him the larger ears and took the stripes away.....

Well until MU creates either{I'm sure they will after all they are the kings of the repaints}, I took the XMO tiger stripe's head that I got for my birthday and put it on the AXM costumed Wolverine from the Colossus two pack and viola'!, one XMO version of the AXM costume.

Yeah, MU Wolvie has not gotten a good treatment. The maskless face is horrid and the body is soo limited in movement. (bulky muscles) I would love to see this figure along with Black Panther re-done to incorperate their melee brute way of fighting.

Anybody else notice the detail's of the claw that they left out? I know it is not critical but Wolverine has some claw gaurds on his knuckles. Anyone agree that this is worth persuing?

Awesome, so it works. I need to do that myself.

Yeah my biggest disapointment with the MU Wolvie out of all the body flaws is his claws. They are small, weak and inaccurate

I despise the upper torso of the X-Force wolvie mold. Mostly because of the neck piece. Everything else of it I can deal with except maybe the weird looking claws.

The claw guards vary per costume and artist though. So I'm indifferent on it.
The claws on the XMO astonishing costume are pretty good though. Especially in comparison to the MU and other XMO ones.

I never said he was in the X-Men with the short ears and stripes on his cheeks where did I say that? His 1st costume was the one in Hulk #181, which is the tiger stripe costume with the short ears and cheek stripes but no X buckle. I'm aware of what Cockrum did and that the X buckle didn't show up until much later.

The blue and yellow costume is traditionally known as the tiger stripe costume, it has nothing to do with the cheek stripes it's in reference to the black parts of his costume on the "shirt". So the original costume, Cockrum version with bat ears, and the 90's version are all tiger stripe but the mask is entirely different on the original and Cockrum with wider ears on the 90's versions.

I know which is why its not just known as the "90s" Costume...its from the 70s....

You're arguing semantics. The poll is SPECIFICALLY for the 90's version of the tiger stripe costume. If the poll was about 1st appearance Wolverine the poll would have dictated such. If it was about the Cockrum version the poll would have dictated as such. The poll is about 90's tiger stripe, it says 90's tiger stripe, the version of the cartoon is 90's tiger stripe and the poll is about 90's tiger stripe.

So...what you're saying is...this poll is about the 90's Tiger Stripe, right?

The 90s costume is the same as the 70s costume..........so to label it 90s is not correct..........The Jim Lee costume from the 90s is the same as the Uncanny X Men one......Cockrum drew it, Byrne Drew it and then Lee....it made its debut 2 decades before the 90s!!!

Its not based off of the 70s suit it is the 70s suit....just admit it....

Nope. 90's costume has the X buckle and wider ears than Cockrum. More recognizable too. Also more pronounced shoulder pads.

Ummmm say what? The only difference in the two is the X Buckle....the ears and shoulder pads are the same.....

The Cockrum mask is more narrow. The pads are more prominent on the 90's version.

Im not taking just about the Cockrum Wolverine.....BYRNE drew the yellow and blue to......and just to back up what Im saying heres what Byrne had to say about Lee giving Wolverine back the yellow and Blue.....


Why did JB change Wolverine's costume?

I always wondered,was it your choice to give Wolverine a new costume in X-MEN 139?And was there any meaning behind it, i.e. the "death" of Jean Grey maybe causing Wolverine to desire a fresh start and thus the new costume?

JB: I wanted to change Wolverine's duds from the first moment I set eyes on him. Yellow and blue? That's a football team, not a wild animal! And an AMERICAN football team, no less! So as soon as I could, I gave Wolverine the brown-on-brown costume. (I still remember Jim Lee telling me proudly that he had given Wolverine his "real" costume [the yellow and blue one] back. And I remember the long pause on the other end of the phone when I mentioned I was the one who had changed the costume.) (5/5/1998)


Jim lees Wolverine was the same one Cockrum and Byrne drew......Byrne in the 70s made the mask and Shoulder pads longer and broader.....so the JL 90s suit is the one from the 70s!!!!


AND JL saying giving the costume back only makes what Im saying right.....

The only thing I got from that is that Jim Lee wanted Wolverine to have the blue and yellow costume back. It makes no mention of any of the details that Shin has been pointing out.

Having said that, the 70's and 90's versions are essentially the same design, just with minor differences. But apparently Marvel groups them both together anyway, most likely because there aren't any significant changes compared to his other costumes (color scheme, mask/no mask, materials, etc).

Regardless, you should be well aware by now which costume this discussion and poll are about, so enough with splitting hairs. Move on.

With all due respect Shin was saying it wasnt the same.....and Jim Lee the man who put him back in yellow and blue told John Byrne the man who changed it to Brown, Brown that he gave Wolvie his Real Costume back....you cant have something back if it was never there to begin with....

Semantics, the question is which would you prefer, ASX or Tiger stripe.

I really want ASX/Civil war honestly. I got enough of the old styles back in the toy biz days. I'd prefer my MU collection to just be the modern versions.

Batman - You'll be in a padded cell forever.

Joker - Maybe we can share one. You know, they'll be doubling up, the rate Toyark's inhabitants are losing their minds.

I chose the Tiger Stripes.

So true, but replace toyark with the internet itself.

Should we really have a 3rd option here?
Cause ASX and Civil war are moderately different in the gloves and boots. Unlike the Tiger stripe where the differences are negligible and don't matter.

Like the yellow on the New Avengers/Civil war gloves, and the Black patches on the boots, whereas ASX is more like the wolvie and the X-men costume where it uses tiger stripe gloves and boots more or less.

I never said there should be a third option...Shin said the 90s suit was different then the one in the 70s.....just trying to say its not....If I had to vote.....Modern.

Nope as one of the posters said above, semantics.

No need for a 3rd option because the ASX option also says current, which the current version is the ASX/Civil War "upgrade"

ASX/Civil War can give Hasbro up to 2 repaints in the 1st year of release; X-Force(it's more accurate to use the Civil War type mold), and brown(like the Icons version which coincidentally enough IS the current custome, just needs the ripples on the gloves molded in and get the ears off of the lower legs).

Yeah, I don't know how well you can see it in these blurry pic but I think it works really well.

Hey that does work pretty well, and those claws look better too!

yeah, I think the claws on the Colossus/Wolvie deluxe pack figure are the best of the Wolvie claws in the 3 3/4 scale figures.

I concur. Need to find that pack though...

Yeah to be honest I've never even seen that pack. In fact, I've only seen the Sabretooth/Blob pack LAST week for the 1st time!

Here's to happy hunting! Cause I'd have the XMO;W head on that body so fast his original head would literally spin as I dropped it away...

God that's just all kinds of awesome. I need that pack badly now.




In all seriousness though, why make a new mold, when perfection already exists for ASX/Civil War.

All I want is this guy single carded, with a masked head instead of the unmasked accessories he got here. The figure is already perfection from the claws to the costume, he just needs to be easier to find! 50 bucks on amazon is just not worth it for just him. But the figure is so beautifully done too, it deserves recognition and not to just be forgotten once XMO goes off the shelves.