Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Toy Fair 2012 Reveal - AWESOME!

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Toy Fair 2012 Reveal - AWESOME!

Wow..... I am impressed....

I do not want to wait!!!!!! I want those classic turtles now!!!!! Stop teasing me!!!!

Nice work, Playmates! It looks like they're nailing it on every angle from packaging, style, articulation, etc. I'm impressed.

Anybody else think we may be seeing the smash hit of the year here?? Its got everything roleplay weapons,great classic figures for collectors,awesome 3.75inch line for kids(and collectors!!) An AMAZING playset,and brilliant vehicles too!! Manoman i hope the animated series does well!!! Id love to see this line run and run!!!

UPDATE:
Over 40 new photos added included back of packaging shots!

I do. I'm not picky to begin with, but I'm looking at these images and I honestly can't find a negative other than they won't be free.

KANG! KANG! Want KANG!

Wait..."The" Kraang? Kraang never needed "the" in front of his name.

THIS is the star of toyfair for me!
And are those Metalhead and Leatherhead?!? OMG, YES!!!!
And is that dog creature Razar??

This line is soooo much better than the last TMNT series! Looks like we're back to the over-the-top silly mutants, instead of all the superheroes, oriental mystics, and virtualform stuff from the last line.

Bring on Wingnut and Screwloose!

So impressive with what they're offering for the new show. The classic line looks amazing, including the packaging. I really hope to see more figures from that line. And holy crap, metalhead?!

I know right?? I cant believe how stoked i am for these,when they first announced the 3.75inch line i looked over em and decided i was definitely gonna get Don (LOVE that moody headsculpt) and possibly Raph,then i saw that immense playset,and i mean how can ANYONE who collects MU/SW/Joe/any 3.75inch line NOT want that???(and even better the G/F has said i can get it!!!) Then i saw the van which is just ridiculous and gets better and better with every viewing,and that turtle trike with the cockpit shell armor is absolute genius!! And now they are showing us Kraang,and Foot soldiers on bikes and mutants,and robot turtles...MAN IM EXCITED!!! As RR said i want these on shelves now!!! I dont wanna wait any longer!!!!

Are these the first turtles figs to have knee and elbow articulation? Man even has thigh swivels.

Nope. The last line had pretty decent articulation.

I'm super impressed, this might be the line I'm most excited about this year. Other than April and the gimmick figures, I love everything I see about the main line.

So glad to see metalhead and all the mutants.

these are seriously awesome Im so gonna be collecting them!!!

Looking at the classics again and it doesn't really look like they're holding their weapons well, which is kind of concerning me. I mean it looks like Donatello's bo is held on by glue or some epoxy.

Stuff like that is common practice for dioramas and displays. Or at least, I believe it is. I wouldn't allow it to bother me, if I were you.
Though their ability to hold them concerned me from the get go, with individually articulated fingers.

That Metalhead concept looks awesome. And the prototype looks like it captures the personality of the art perfectly.

I am stoked for this line. This may make up for my disappointment with most of the new transformers line.

april is adorable!

the turtles look amazing. shredder looks the best he's ever looked in toy form, in almost a decade.

splinter is wonderful! love the colors!


Krang!!!!

Really digging some of those side mutation characters. The metal suit guy (not shredder or krang) seems interesting on his concept art. Digging the alligator concept art too.

The dragon armored head red guy looks interesting too. Though I'd probably just get him to use his head for a custom.

Overall not bad. Wish it had some better articulation, but great for custom fodder at the very least.

these are just too sweet. definitely picking up the turtlesat the very least and that turtle van is tempting. love the new style and the articulation is almost as good as the NECA ones.

NVM on what I said about articulation. After looking at the playset photos, they managed to hide the joints pretty well. Really digging them now. What's the scale?

yeah ball jointed almost everything and double hinged knees i think. no ankles but i can live with that. scale judging from the demo guy's hands, i'd say 4-5" scale maybe for the main line.

The classic figures look like the have ankle swivels and pivots! it's the animated show line that doesn't look like any, but who knows till we see them in person, I'm very impressed with the quality of these, even the roleplaying items look well done, not overly gimmicy or cheesey, appealing to the die-hard-collectors and the new age of fans alike.

Anyone else wanting Mighty Ducks action figures?

Me, also Street Sharks, and Biker Mice from MARS.

ah yeah those ones are winners. i think i was basing my assessment on the promo shots we'd gotten prior to toyfair. the smaller main line had double hinged knees but i guess they decided to reel it in and just have ball jointed knees which prolly works better.

I used to love the show, and used to have tons of them, they were nicely made just needed more articulation, Street sharks and bikermice from mars are the shit, I still have a few bikermice kicking around. Beast wars had some sick figures as well.

Nerds.

I used to watch these cartoons constantly.

When does the classics come out?

Oh goody! More Transformers Animated crap! Is that Sari's big sister?

They're just not going to let that crappy Batman:TAS artwork style go.

Looking to be a killer line. Both classics and new stuff. Hasbro could learn a thing or two!

I'll be skipping the classics. They look too much like ML classic renditions but with TMNT. Plus I'm not really a fan of the classic show anymore after the awesomeness with seriousness of the more recent. Hope they manages to balance that well too with drama and comedy.
Looks comparable to hasbro's beast figure minus the double elbows, but beast did it in 3.75'' instead of 5-6. (Beast has the articulated toes too.)

The modern line looks interesting though, and I like the usage of elbow swivel+bend. Ditto to the knees doin that. That's where I might lean if I get any. Especially love some of the concept art character designs too. I just hope a lot of those are prototypes and not finished adding articulation like the turtles show they have at that scale.

Holy shit! METALHEAD!

That's all I really wanted, and we are getting it.

Happy as hell right now.

When are these being released? I MUST have them.

The wait is gonna kill me.

Classics, Metalhead, Leatherneck, Razar (I think), that playset.....

....my wife is going to kill me.

I'm almost positive that's Baxter Stockman.

Please tell me it's classics line and fully articulated, and followed by WINGNUT!

I'll be getting the Classics ones for sure, but not sure about the new ones. I have nearly an entire set of the original line and I love them despite the limited articulation.

Hmm, that's an interesting take on his character.

Personally all I keep seeing is apocalypse meets stiltman in his design. xD That's part of why I love it though. lol

Lucky!

Ive wanted to hunt them down, but the cost keeps going up on ebay.. this Classic Collection will fill that void

Keep in mind, the stuff shown are not production pieces. most of them, especially the ones lacking serious articulation (Metalhead, Razar/Dogguy, fish mutant) are hand painted prototypes.
I wouldn't worry about the articulation, or lack there of until we start to see the finalized production pieces.
Also, the articulation we've been shown are *really* well hidden.

No, it's a new version. But it looks true to the original. Just in the new style.

Also, not to be a downer, but I doubt Wingnut is very high up on the list for the Classics line.

Definately not, but with second and third stringers like Razar (Maybe that's him?), Leatherhead, and Metalhead being revealed before the line even launches, it looks pretty hopeful Wingnut seems likely for the mainline!

For "Classics," if they bother with more than just the fab four, I can't imagine the second wave *not* including Shredder, Splinter, Rockstead, and Bebop.
Or at least, if not Rock and 'Bop, then April, and Krang (Or Baxter Stockman, maybe)

Leatherhead?

LEATHERHEAD?!?


Holy crap, I needs him!

Fo sho.
I actually owned the original Wingnut as a kid, so I'd love to see what he'd look like in this new aesthetic.

What are you talking about? Interesting take on his character? This is exactly what he looked like in the original TMNT?

Btw, guys, KRANG is not gonna be in this show! There's gonna be a race of aliens, and they're gonna be called 'The Kraang'.

Man i just cant wait to see these guys on shelves!! I wonder if we will see Casy Jones in the 3.75 line?? Would love to add him to my collection!!!

It's pry too much to hope for a new Bebop and Rocksteady isn't it?


Of course since Leatherhead is being made here's hoping for the Mighty Mutanimals as well! Who am I kidding? I'm sure Leatherhead is gonna be a villain in this toon as well,lol.

Well, in the original comic and one of the animated series (2008 or 9, IIRC), he became a cyborg after numerous defeats by the Turtles. It was only in the classic toon where he became a mutant fly (and was a white nerd beforehand).

I don't recall him wearing that mech suit in the comics, but I do remember him being in one at some point in the animated series I mentioned above. Then again, the last time I read my TPBs was about 15-20 years ago, so my memory could be a little fuzzy.

Which I guess is a nod to the Utroms, who were the basis for the original Krang.

Thanks for that info i was scratching my head thinking,wasnt Baxter Stockman a geeky scientist.....then a man-fly type creature?? I had no idea about this robot/cyborg Stockman y'all were talking about!!

TMNT 2012 - Closer Look at CGI and Branding Art

Some more pics of the Playmates booth.

The classics figures look great! The CG art for the show is a turn off. Pass.

Frankly, I like the look of the new show. Looks to have a lot of personality.

I can see what some of the more hardcore old schoolers wont like about it. But for what it is, I don't see anything bad. This new show is going to all come down to it's writing, for me.

I do kind of wish Krang could be his own character again.

After what they did with the 2k3 show, I'm rather excited for the new show.
2k3 introduced a lot of interesting ideas I liked including the whole Kraang is shredder idea that really worked. So I'm curious what they'll do with that alien race again.

Really? That was one of the biggest possible turnoffs to me, taking away Shredder's character from himself, and making him an utron.

I don't think it really took anything away from the character, so much as just put a really bizarre twist on him.

See, I always think many times, things should be simple. When you start adding more and more baggage, then you get stuff like the Summers Family Tree, or Powergirl.
And when it comes to TMNT, I've always thought keeping the origins of the characters simple is one of the best ways to make the characters bright and strong.
To me, Splinter works best either as Himoto Yoshi, or as Yoshi's pet.
And Shredder works best as Oroko Saki, and not as a Mantle handed down or aquired (Which I think is what they explained him to be in the last series?).

On a side note, kinda interesting and funny that Shredder is the most influencial character outside of the fab four, when he was created to be a small onetime throwaway villain. (Which is the core joke of why they dispatched Shredder Prime so easily in Turtles Forever)

But to me, the closer he is to his roots, the cooler a villain he is.
Original Cartoon, pretty cool (Stupid, but cool concept). Archie Comics, even cooler (More serious take on him). Movies, way cool. Mirage, coolest.

I can see your point, but I think it also comes down to subjective taste.

I liked what they did with utron Shred because it was something unique and unexpected.

Wow. I've got to say, what a vast improvement in every aspect of articulation and the packaging looks fantastic. Although, Playmates in my opinion have always nailed the packaging with unique handdrawn packaging art on their vintage figures which were always a plus for me. In fact, the vintage TMNT line were AWESOME figures for their time regardless what toy snobs say. The added articulation, though, is a welcome advancement. They're really meeting and exceeding the expectations of the modern action figure collector. It's like they read what we said about other toy lines and took note. Well done!

What i love about the new and collectors lines is how excited EVERYONE is about em,theres been (i think) one negative comment in the whole thread,its really brought us all together,and i cant wait for the "look what i just got thread" to be full of turtle hauls!!!

I think I'm feeling sick... what happened? This isn't a revolutionary idea for the turtles, now they look like school kids. Kung Fu Panda, okay, Sponge Bob, okay, TMNT, MOST OF THE FANS ARE ADULTS! Most of us were expecting something, a little more (at the very least) ground breaking than this. This is a step backwards, we are losing ground here, not gaining.

See that's the point. They're aiming the new show for kids because kids want toys and are more than likely to watch a show if its on in the morning before school, after school, or weekend mornings. Then they decided to cater to us by creating the classics line. Seems like a win-win for them in my book.

Well,considering they're supposed to be teenagers, they shouldn't look (or act) like adults anyway. Also, the new show is actually closer in look to their original form (which was in a comic book meant to parody the comic trends of the day).

But hey, if you don't like it, there's always the Classics line. Or if you pass altogether, more for me.

Plus that's what made turtles the empire it was back in the day. The kids.
Sure most of the kids are adults now, so it's time to create a whole new wave of kid appeal that'll become the adults of the future.

Somewhat amusing that Saito's comment came right after Proteus' post about positivity.

I think I said it in another thread somewhere, but I could see this new series being the Transformers Animated equivalent for TMNT. In the mixed reaction to the aesthetics anyway. The overall quality of the show is still up in the air.

i'm all for a new show and the toys look promising at the very least. now we just need a new cg Ghostbusters cartoon with subsequent toyline to complete the circle.

If anything we adults have the new IDW books and reprints of the old to look at. I myself grew up with the cartoon, thought it was dumb once I got older, but still respected it out of nostalgia. I have an itch to read the old books. I read scans of it years back and thought it was amazing.

Please no. New Ghostbusters cartoon, very much yes. CG, please please PLEASE no.

haha yeah, i'm just going with the current trend. i would love a 2d cartoon but 3d is what i'd imagine would happen if it were ever in someone's pipeline.

and man, fall 2012 is gonna be a long wait for these toys. can't wait to get that huge playset.

Ghostbusters was kind of one of the first remakes/continuations that happened.

Extreme Ghostbusters was before the new tmnt and before the new He-man.
It continued on the story of the old toon, with everyone retiring and Egon becoming a college professor which led to a new team. Then teamups with the old team. (Some of the same crew that made GI Joe: Renegades IIRC.)

Once the new GB movie gets moving for once, it may splinter off into yet another toon. I just hope they don't completely ignore the other continuation with the toon, or do a complete rebooted toon. This whole building the world and cast is interesting to deal with, which is what I hope they do for the 3rd movie too. At least adding a hot goth girl to the cast as a nod to the continuation toon. (Which would hopefully give them an excuse to add her to the toon again.) >.>

Luckily a new toon if it wants to start over, can just do the expanded company or a branch in a new city among many other ideas without trampling on previous material or rebooting.

TMNT is more like He-man though in many regards. It's a show you can't exactly continue at a certain point(the problem with naming a show or property teenage or character names, it narrows the subject or duration of the time frame, for he-man they'd have to only use masters of the universe to open it up more, which lowers wide brand recognition). It almost needs to be started over every 10-20 years because of the entire focus being on the 4 turtles only, unlike Ghostbusters which is about a company founded by 4 paranormal scientists.

@Snow,

I think Ghostbusters could do either, honestly. I imagine a new cartoon would be a complete reboot with the original four characters, telling a new story of how they come together and form their unique business. Because the trend lately for everything seems to be "USE HERITAGE CHARACTERS ONLY!!!!"
What would be fun though, would be a small paranormal investigation team, ALA Ghost Hunters' T.A.P.S., or Ghost Labs somehow becomes the next generation of Ghostbusters.

Also, thank you for acknowledging Extreme Ghostbusters! That was a very underrated show, even in it's own time.

I don't have much of an issue with CG movies (Outside of that it's a depressing trend that has literally killed a beautiful artform, and the fact that a little piece of my soul dies everytime Disney Propper releases a new CG movie), but the genre is just sooooo limiting for television.
To date, Clone Wars is the only one that's even remotely impressive (It's so full of life. But then Lucas' Studio probably throws gobs of money at it. Prime feels like a cold, barren, dead and lifeless earth where the main cast are the only lifeforms alive.)

I guess I might be in the minority when I say that I did not really care for Extreme Ghostbusters, at all.
I think I pretty much hated everyone on the new team. Especially Eduardo. Ooooh...I hated Eduardo. I don't think I've ever despised a cartoon character like that since Gopher from Whinnie the Pooh...That guy was an asshole.

I know that tends to be the biggest gripe when it comes to CG tv shows. But hopfully it's something that they'll be able to rectify, because to me, it seems CGI toons on TV are just starting to truly come into their own.
That one Criticism aside, Transformers Prime is actually a very well done CGI tv show.

I would disagree with everything about that. I think it's one of the worst segments of the TF franchise.
Unimaginative writing, with flat characterizations (Starscream and Arcee are the only one's to get any real developement), and flat out boring plots.
An entire universe that seems completely devoid of any life (Seriously, we know there are humans, autobots, and decepticons out there, but they don't even really imply they exist. It's like anything that isn't on camera feels like it ceases to exist. Even Beast Machines, WHEN THEY *WERE* THE ONLY ONES IN EXISTANCE felt like the world was vast, and there could be things going on behind the scenes), and terrible animation.
While I do not like the art design, the character models look pretty when they're still shots. But they don't exist in their backgrounds, and they're over animated. Many shots (especially early in the series) felt drastically unfinished, lacking convencing shadows, and a terrible problem with downright comedic overanimation (Anytime Megatron talks, he becomes a bobblehead. That's not the only example, but it's one of the easier ones to point out).

I'll grant having Unicron be the earth itself was novel. Using him this early, and making him such a minor presence though was a complete waist of a clever plot twist. Which is another big failier of the show. It's inability to follow through with any bit of potential it generates. Why can Raph understand Bumblebee? That can potentially be something as epic as Sari. But so far, no one at all has ever questioned this.
Miko has been through a number of life changing exeriences, and made terrible choices thats cost the sutobots valuable victories, and nearly killed her best friend, yet she's exactly the same now, as episode one.
Wheeljack was about as bland a character as a character can possibly get. He could have as easily been Prowl, Sideswipe, Drift, Roadhugger, Chromedome, or any obscure car TF or micromaster you could ever pick. I'm not saying he needs to be G1 Wheeljack, but give him a personality at least.
Makeshift, they could have done dozens of nods to Slicer there. Another waisted opportunity (albeit a nitpicky one).
Optimus is the most boring representation of the character we've gotten. So is Bumblebee. Ratchet doesn't do anything but complain. Bulkhead doesn't have the personality or heart his Animated counterpart does.

The only good things I can find about this series:
Arcee all around. Can actually take her seriously now. I also like her relationship with Jack.
Soundwave is cool for the first time in the franchise' history, intimidating and sinister.
Starscream is pretty cool.
And Airachnid is *not* Blackarachnia.

So no. All around, I think Prime is one of the worst TF shows. The CG is all flash, but once you look at it, it's not much better than BM. (Which squarely puts it under, since that was ten years ago. Prime should be way more advanced, and way further ahead. But the only real improvement is textures)

But, if you're compairing Prime's CG to something like Strawberry Shortcake, then I'll agree. The CG is indeed real good.

...I'll stop derailing the thread, now. Sorry.

If anything, I hope Miyamoto Usagi appears in this incarnation of TMNT as well. I need a figure of him. Otherwise I'm eager to get my paws on some new turtles.

Then I wont bother to read the rest of your post as it most likely has no value to me whatsoever. Being that it probably boils down to: "I hate the show."

But it's only fair I suppose, given I loathed Extreme Ghostbusters. Gawd what a disgustingly awful show that was.

Ok list some examples of successful modern cartoon series (outside of TF's) that have a massive fanbase amongst adults)How would you make them "groundbreaking" yet retain what makes them TMNT?? Like it or not the biggest market for toys is kids,not adult collectors,and this line has a great balance of something for everyone.

[QUOTE=trebleshot;245265]Well,considering they're supposed to be teenagers, they shouldn't look (or act) like adults anyway. Also, the new show is actually closer in look to their original form (which was in a comic book meant to parody the comic trends of the day).[/QUOTE]

HIT.NAIL.ON.HEAD.

These look awesome.

But that's not even what the kids want, 21st century kids want the PG-13 we would like to strive for too. And it's not a win-win if the enormous fanbase TMNT brought on from the first movie and TV series loses interest in the show.

When have they ever behaved just like teens? Ninja's, killers, vanquishers, and they are half-turtles; I don't see teen role models in regards to behavior.

The classics were what made TMNT, then the cheesy show came in, and the movie took some of the classic concepts and made it a huge success- I mean if it wasn't successful for the violence, the part-realistic concept of the turtles (they could actually swear for one) it wouldn't have been the big seller that it was. I think the TMNT nick show is a ship doomed to sink, it is nothing like what I was hoping for and I expected this kind of turnabout nonetheless from Nick considering they are based on these kiddie concepts.

I can tell you that it's going to get rank when it comes back down, this looks just like a Kung Fu Panda crossover and nothing like TMNT; the dark, gritty, ninja part of these series is what made TMNT TMNT. (By now it should be MNT.)


Do you honestly want me to name EVERY modern adult-appeal cartoon-knock-off that was revived for Today's generation? What about Spiderman? Batman? Superman? The Justice Force? Oh, and dare I say it, My Little Pony?? Do I really need to go on? And I can tell you that the series they developed for those franchises appealed to both children and adults, as did TMNT 2k3 for those who are fans of the series (I don't even need to cite how it appealed.) Oh, and let's not forget, the eighties series morphed over time and became very dark and gritty to appeal to a growing audience.

If they did look like their original form, they would look a lot like their original forms; multi-colored bandanas, height differences, body differences, different eye color and even Don is missing a tooth- how is this anything coming even CLOSE to being related to the original comics?

As for me personally, what would I do to make it "groundbreaking", well... I have plans, and as a fan I have been considering exactly what should be done for years now. I don't want to open yet exactly what should be done, but for an example, making them respectable? Iconic for the new generation, not for reliving the old one (time to move on), reviving them as a fresh concept instead of a knock-off of the old eighties cartoon. It's time they grew up, older, and added emotional value- nothing as stupid as what Nick is trying to show off here. Let's put it this way: Would you see Ironman in leotards, or in a full bodied suit of armor?

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Honestly, TMNT would thrive on both angles if they keep it dark and gritty; it's how they started out anyway. The kids, and this is obvious, want to see the action and the violence as fans of TMNT; degrading TMNT for the sake of trying to pass it off with the same chemistry that was an eighties shtick isn't a viable direction, the eighties stayed in the eighties and everyone grew up.

The original turtles never had multicolored bandanas. That was a movie and toon thing to differentiate them and market them to kids. The original comic turtles all had the same bandana. The originals also had elongated necks, and more varied differences than the mainstreaming used.

They have acted like teens throughout all. No one said Teen role-models, just teenagers. That includes the pizza, angst, drama, egos, attitude, and problems with authority. It also includes their wanting to learn more about the world they are in. The entire teen angle of too young to be on their own, but wanting it nonetheless.

The CBS seasons aren't fan favorite seasons by any stretch, and is what led to that era of TMNT dying.

I do agree they can cater to both kids and adults, but without the show airing, how can you say for certain that's not what they are doing anyway? 2k3 many would have said "Kiddie BS" before it aired too, and yet that show and follows up brought the line back to the mainstream and is hailed as one of the best TMNT series yet.

Ratings and toy sales are too different things though. A show can be successful and make money even without a toyline and vice versa. It just helps marketing to have one. They are two distinct revenue streams, and I'm sure they don't expect every adult that watches the show to buy every toy, while they do want the kids to.

TMNT was still built on a kids market though, and that's where the toys lean, though they still have more poseability than any previous mainstream turtles line has ever had.

If you want 'original forms' look at the NECA figures. Not the playmates/original toon ones.
TMNT has always been aimed at children, as have the other properties and toons you mentioned. It's just they also cater enough so parents can enjoy it too as well as fans, but again we've yet to see anything here to say that's not what they are doing anyway for the tv show. The main intent here is to get a new generation of kids into it to keep the line strong. Going too violent would also make many parents not want to let their kids watch it like how many parents don't like their kids watching power rangers or spongebob for the adult humor.

... that's what I was saying, that is exactly what I was inferring, that is why they don't look anything like the original.

Have you honestly met any teenager that can directly relate to them "exactly"? This is fantasy, and not everyone likes pizza; this is a very diverse statement, the appeal is to a certain crowd. And if you didn't notice, they are on their own throughout the whole series, the TMNT family is on their own. And I don't recall monsters, aliens, space travel, time travel, irregular mutant behavior, ninja training, or in that general ideal to be what a normal teenager has to go through or to what they act like (today's teens are... well, more varied and I can say nothing like TMNT in the general stance.).

For the majority, even from the eighties cartoons, they don't even SOUND like teenagers; sometimes they can talk like a teenager, and sound nothing like one, then they don't sound like them and then can't talk like one either at times throughout. This statement you made is so diverse, too many angles, you can't expect a bunch of teens to be the only fans here driving the bullet and I know they just don't intend "teens" to be the show case appeal.

That depends on who you talk to, because I can honestly tell you that Ten seasons of continuance of the old TMNT series isn't a small feat.

That is because they advertised, and promoted, those TMNT seasons without the kiddie crap. That also depends on who you talk to, because I am more than certain there are many people who would disagree with you. 2k3 is my favorite modern TMNT series, and I feel the best out of the bunch, they never promoted it in its start-up a "kiddie" series and they proved how un-kiddie related it was when you watched it. This, this new TMNT, it's just about as dorky and stupid as the old eighties series. Are they promoting gun fights? Impressive monsters? Mature, Sophisticated and dark turtles? No, they are promoting kids toys and a silly concept. It isn't an adult appeal, at all, not even in the slightest resemblance.

Toys aren't what make the series, that dies off after a while, and then everyone wants the show or movie. Even now, everyone is getting more attached to digital technology- toys are becoming indifferent in many aspects.

Not always, not for every concept, and what about 2k3?

But this isn't that kind of a generation, parents are for more lenient than they were twenty years ago and many many TMNT fans are adults if not most of them. TMNT is extremely violent, that's how it remains in its appeal, ninja-action-violence. And yet Power Rangers and Sponge Bob are extremely successful, so what does that tell you about the modern generation?

These "kids" you keep refering to,are these the SAME kids that are lapping up BEN-10,Bakugan,Spongebob,etc?? Hardly PG-13 shows!!! And if i had children aged 5-10 NO WAY would i be happy letting them watch an animated show packed full of PG-13 violence,and i dont see parents across the USA(or the world) being any different,children live in a different world to adults,their toys fight,die and come back the next day to fight and die all over again,do you really think a dark violent,swearing filled animated show would make any headway ANYWHERE in the world?? The word "ninja" had to be dropped from the title and changed to "hero" before the original 80s show could even be aired in the UK,because "ninja" was deemed too violent!!! i appreciate your concerns and you are obviously a MASSIVE TMNT fan,but as i stated before toys and the shows based off/around them are intended for kids,and us adults have to accept that,and make the compromise. Give the new show a chance,you may be surprised,and if not at least (hopefully) welcome a whole new generation of TMNT fans into the fold,and introduce them to the original versions you cherish.

You and I must live in two different worlds, because I don't agree with you at all; I have seen a completely different side of this fandom that is more diverse and far more intuitive to the modern needs of TMNT fans, and they want dark-gritty ninja action. This crap, this kiddie-crap, is only going to bring the series down; I can only hope the movie will help the series (which is supposed to be dark, gritty, and very different from this shows concept in every way. Why would they even bother to make a TMNT film like that if they didn't think it would succeed?). And if the parents were against the modern TV series of TMNT, the 2k3 series would have been shut down waaaaay back.

We'll see what happens, but this is new reboot for the TMNT TV series is a joke.

Somebody with a better mindset, gut instincts, and perspective needs to take charge- Nick isn't the place to go.

And BTW, do you honestly think that this is in any way a compromise? 2k3, was a compromise, this isn't a compromise at all.

I bow to your superior knowledge of TMNT fandom,as im just a guy who likes cool figures,and i REALLY dig the nod to the original comic book stylings these new guys have,not to mention that kickass giant playset,my last comment is that you maybe need to step back and take an objective look at the TMNT from the outside, regardless of grown-up fandoms opinions,kids will always be a toyline/cartoon's target audience. No reasonable parent is going to let their 5-10year old child watch a dark,gritty,realistic violence filled cartoon,and no TV channel would EVER air such a show in a slot where children could see it. I totally understand where you are coming from,and i DO think a dark gritty TMNT show would be awesome,but unless someone put together a Fansproject type show,i just dont personally see it ever happening.

Then I don't see how great of a source you would be in this conversation for an understanding of the fandom, if all you're here for is the toys.

Do you honestly think sarcasm will get you anywhere in this? All I see is your insecurity on the subject and your statements only give me doubts on your overall depth to this franchise.

You are making a LOT of absolutes, I happen to know this is not what the fans wanted and that includes myself as I am a fan. I didn't come here without an understanding, even the younger audience wants the action I am looking for.

So, would you be right in saying, that my parents weren't in their right minds when they allowed me to watch certain fun PG-13 films when I was nine or ten? There are people, even as adults, who can't handle certain subjects or movies with a PG-13 rating while others can; this also reflects to children. There are movies with a PG-13 rating that can be watched with or without adult supervision and it can be very appropriate with different people; sometimes a rating refers to violence and others reflect on to subjects that aren't even appropriate for a PG-13; it all depends on the movie and the intent behind it.

I just feel that this reboot is a massive step backwards; if 2k3 was appropriate and popular why are we taking twenty years in back steps?

*sigh* there was no sarcasm,and if you got that impression,then i apologise,i was genuinely saying you clearly know more than me about the fandom side,so im going to wrap this up with: i like the toys,and regardless of my TMNT knowledge the last time i looked this was a site for toy fans,and im certainly not going to apologise for being a toy fan,but equally im not going to continue when my "worth" to the conversation is being called into question. As far as im aware my opinion carries just as much weight as yours,so thank you for an interesting debate,iv enjoyed talking things out with you,i hope you enjoy your time here on the Ark,and arent too disappointed with the new show.

"sometimes i doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion"

i dunno, as cool as a gritty and bloody comic styled TMNT would be, it's just not gonna happen so long as the studios think TMNT as a property is more successful with kids. which it is judging from 1987 series and toyline which spawned tons of games and movies and was the source of inspiration in some way for all of the incarnations.

also this is a toy site. i think it's ok if someone looked at these new toys and thought of their youth watching the show and buying up the multitudes of figures. that shouldn't be a knock against their fandom.

Then I apologize, no one has ever said that to me without intending it to be a cruel jab or worse; I understand.

Oh certainly not, but this is not in question to what the toys future is, but the actual show all together; they could make great TMNT action figures without the need to bring the show down in response.

I can't help being only but greatly disappointed, I thank you all the same; I look forward to the movie, and I hope we meet again on another topic. Great talking to you

2k3 spawned a massive reboot and was extremely successful, that tells you what the modern generation wants and likes.

Very true, but I'm disappointed in the show NOT the toys; I think the action figures are great, but the show doesn't even come close to par.

I actually enjoyed the later seasons, but if you look at the numbers for those last CBS seasons, and talk to the average kid reactions from the time, alongside even most modern fan discussions of it. It all comes to the same thing with marketing data to prove it. Those last CBS seasons are what killed the tmnt franchise.

Power Rangers going strong is a different argument entirely, it's not geared entirely for the 4 and up crowd unlike tmnt. PR has an audience of 8+ intended.

If you really look back at 2k3, while it was more balanced in story conveyance, they did use a lot of techniques to cover up the action. It also had more of a lesson to the episodes as well to balance the violence. (Most notably the anti-gang episodes, among many others.)

It's called a teenage stereotype btw. The pizza, attitudes, and growth are all drawn from teenage stereotypes. Yes it deals with scifi/fantasy elements too, but again they are talking turtles so why does that matter? The stereotypes for the personalities still remain true even with the ninja training.

It's fine if you don't like the new direction the show may take or how the toys look that's fine, but to call it wrong on any level without seeing how it's executed is rather asinine. They have TMNTC for collectors like you. Let this generation have their new take. 2k3 turned out great, and this has just as much of a chance to be as great or better.

TBH, you sound like the same people that bemoaned TF animated, and then later praised it.

Um...Hey look, a video review:

Playmates Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 Michelangelo Figure Review - YouTube

If TMNT were "killed" as you put it, then there wouldn't have been now two modern reboots; I don't know what you mean by "killing", it was the end of an era of TMNT that needed to move on. Ten seasons, ten seasons, you can't ignore those statistics.

You brought it up, I didn't, and if it's 8+ then it appeals to a wide range audience including adults (which means balanced.).

I don't see how that counts for anything in regards to the fact that there was violence, there was even mind-numbing horror attached to the series- what nullifies those effects? Of course there is a balance, but there is zero balance in this reboot; just what are you driving at?

Then how is that appealing for teenagers if it is nothing but stereotypes? What does this have to do with anything that we are discussing?

It HAS already been executed, presented, promoted, categorized and bulletined- this is a big mistake and it's only going to get worse as the series continues like this.

Instead of the original fan base, we may end up actually losing some fans, now a lot of hope is residing on the new upcoming movie.

And just for your information, I am not a toy fan; I am a fan of the series, not the toys.

I'm not a big fan of the Transformers series either, and how am I moaning and PRAISING when the prize package has been delivered? Now look who's stereotyping.

oh man already! looks like they're about the right size. i hope these hit a bit earlier than the show. prolly end up painting some of the details and giving em a more textured wash.

Blah blah. Every official incarnation of TMNT has been awesome whether you're talking the old Mirage stuff or the original animated series or the Archie comics or the movies or the newer animated series. The movies were great, even III with it's time traveling shenanigans. The latest computer generated movie rocked. Even Next Mutation was pretty good in a Power Rangers sort of way. Let's not bicker as we're all fans of Turtle Power in our own way.

Yep that was gonna be one of my first modifications as soon as i get hold of Donatello!!I may also re-wrap the feet and fingers(iv found ptfe tape is great for making substitute bandages,or wrappings.) And looking at the pics,there does seem to be quite a lot of surface detail(especially on the shells) that would soon be brought out with a quick ink wash.....Do we know an actual release date?? People were saying autumn/fall i believe?? Man thats AGEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS away dammit!!!

Wow! I didn't know there was someone where who's been to the future and seen the full series!

What makes you so absolutely positive a show that does not yet exist will be and is the most horrible thing that ever existed, based on a few still shots shown at toyfair?

Did I ever say that it "is the most horrible thing that ever existed"? Isn't this what we call, lying, and misinformation? I am seemingly jumping into your bad side without even trying, forgive me for seeing the fiasco here. The show does exist, are you ignoring the still shots or are just trying to be funny?

Do you need a full diagram to take a look and see the screw up? We just came from the modern rebooted TMNT to a remake of the old 80's series, we are now back pedaling, what makes you think this will ever even come CLOSE to fairing just as well as the other series?

This is a pathetic, and embarrassing attempt to reboot the series.

And let me ask you, do you get any benefit from adding extreme sarcasm to your statements? All this does for me is to only see the truly childish behavior you hinder yourself with, why not trying to act more like a civilized person and to handle this appropriately?

oh i know, man. saw a tentative release set for Fall 2012. eff that bean, i want em nooooowwwww. i figure a simple wash in a darker color scheme over some of the skin and definitely in the crevices of the wraps, pads and front and back shells would definitely improve the overall look.

also, i was thinking the way the feet are wrapped, one could make a diagonal cut foot swivel. kind like how sota toys did the street fighter feet i think so they can lay flat in wide stances. but i dunno, i like em as is already.

looked up the tape.... think i may get some to add onto iron fist or if i ever get around to making an ares.

Pretty much yeah. That's the exact impression you're giving, whether intentional or unintentional. You're borderline "Ruined Forever" territory.
I'm not lying or slandering, you're pretty over the top and extremely bent out of shape over a children's cartoon that hasn't even been made yet.

Apparently I do need a diagram, because I see absolutely no problems with what's going on. I dislike the fact that it's CG, which is an extremely limited medium. But as for using Shredder as Shredder, having the turtles be the turtles, and finding a way to make April a far more relevent addition to the group, seems extremely appropriate to me.

And again, how do you know the writing for this is going to be as pathetic and horrible as you proclaim? The show is not yet written. Unless you've been to the future, you know as little as we do about their plans. As we've seen are a few still shots

Rediculous overreactions by a grown man against children's programming that does not yet exist that he knows nothing about doesn't really merrit being taken that seriously.
Really. Seven posts and all you've done is bitch and whine about how horrible this show will be to the fandom.
Besides, what you interperate as sarcasm was intended more of as a joke to highlight the inherent humor in it all.
The only possible way you could know how pathetic this reboot is, is if you've already seen it.

Well i did some googling and it says here:
Ninja Pizza | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles News & Information that the first wave of figures and vehicles are scheduled for August!!! YAY!!! And they have a $7-$9 pricetag!! Theres also mention of an SDCC exclusive figure!!
i was thinking the exact same about the inkwash....keep it simple,but effective!! If you look at the groupshot in the link i posted you can see the height/colour differences they have used to make each turtle individual,they could have cheaped out and just used the same body four times with four different heads,in four different colours but they didnt. Gotta pay respect for that attention to detail!!!

Yeah try the tape out let me know your thoughts,i had one of those "i wonder if" moments and it works pretty well!!!

yeaaaaaahhh that's something i really dig, like raph looks a bit stockier and donatello looks leaner. and that the leg wraps are all sculpted differently which is what tipped me off that they won't be using very many, if at all, reused parts. seems most of the other figures in the line won't get the same level of articulation but i'm really effing glad playmates did it with the turtles at the very least. prolly one of the reasons why i'm all for this line since they stepped up their game from previous iterations. not to also mention the homage to the original toy line with the extra weapon tray that you have to pop out. that makes me so happeh.