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05-25-2016, 09:25 PM | #24001 |
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1. Cap fans just put up with the whole shocking new status quo with Steve being aged to an old man. Fans were pretty excited for what Marvel had teased as Classic Cap. So this "startling" new status quo seems like bait and switch. 2. Marvel is selling this in the media as Cap has really joined Hydra because of the political atmosphere in the country or maybe he always was a Hydra agent depends on the articlde. Uh and Punisher is an Angel, Doc Ock is permanently Superior Spider Man, Tony Stark is a teenager, Jim Gordon is Batman etc etc. Fans aren't appreciating Marvels attempt at selling this as legit when everyone knows it is not really a super hero created by two Jewish men becoming a Nazi. |
05-25-2016, 10:04 PM | #24002 |
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I thought Falcon being called Captain America was bad but this is just ****ing stupid any way you slice it.
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05-25-2016, 10:15 PM | #24003 |
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IIRC I've got 15-20 Dark Elves and customised two to represent Malekith (have both versions of the Malekith head which I collaborated with Vortious on)and pre mutated Kurse using the GI Joe HD head (same actor). Malekith has MCU 'accurate' armour. Will try and dig them out over the weekend and take pics!
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05-25-2016, 11:07 PM | #24004 |
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I don't care if it's a fluke. To me, Captain America is, and always will be, Captain AMERICA. Representing the best of what my country has to offer. If Marvel feels like screwing around with that, I don't care. EMH is my favorite Avengers incarnation anyway.
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05-25-2016, 11:08 PM | #24005 |
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What's wrong with Falcon Cap? Falcon was actually Cap's partner at one point, so why shouldn't he carry the shield?
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05-26-2016, 12:52 AM | #24006 |
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Because Steve Rodgers is Captain America. Just like Peter Parker is Spider-man, Logan/Weapon X is Wolverine, and Thor Odinson is Thor.
Anyone else going by those names is either pretending until they bring back the real character or from a different Earth. |
05-26-2016, 12:55 AM | #24007 |
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05-26-2016, 01:20 AM | #24008 |
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05-26-2016, 09:53 AM | #24009 |
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So, does anyone want to talk about the whole Captain America being Hydra the whole time thing? I don't know why everyone is exploding over it. It's obviously a fluke.
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05-26-2016, 09:54 AM | #24010 |
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I don't have an issue with him being Cap, AS LONG AS, 1. Give him the Super Soldier Serum, 2. Give him THE shield and get rid of the wings. Had they established Cap using that tech when he came out of the ice or as it was made available ( as in when the writer came up with it. ), I wouldn't have an issue with it. Its like Batman refusing to use guns then suddenly using Phasers because someone invented one. Its a character thing, we would adapt in real life because it makes sense, but leave that crap out of my fantasy world and let me be happy for a while.
CCC. Sam Wilson Cap needs to be able to define his captain america as much as Bucky had to define his. Steve Rogers is the original with super soldier serum. That's his Captain America. Bucky's is the prosthetic armed war vet and all that his history entails. And Sam Wilson's is about freedom. Soaring to new heights on the wings of an eagle. Finding freedom in the skies. Those wings mean a lot in symbolism to what he stands for and means to others. How the ground can no longer shackle him to the dirt. That he's free to soar the skies with freedom. These aren't pretenders to the names. The names stand for things. Whether it's wolverine, spider-man, thor, or captain america. Each of those names over time have grown into more than simply the person behind the mask. Wolverine stands for overcoming your past and making your own way in life. Laura Kinney is the perfect namesake to carry on that Legacy. Like I hope someday Gabby takes up the mantle in the far far far future. Spider-man is about great power means great responsibility. The full body suit (outside the readers who knew who he was of course) always reflected an aspect it could be anyone of any race under that mask. That the point was that he was a kid trying to do what was right with what he was given. Captain America is literally about representing America. The ideals of the people and what they should stand for. Sometimes even in the face of the government itself. Sometimes that even means redemption as we saw in Bucky's case. Sometimes that means 2nd chances to make wrongs right. (Hydra cap is a bit different. This is the anti-thesis of cap in every way, but it is reflective of society. That there are problems in america still, and hate mongers who thrive. It is one of the wounds of america that's been trying to bleed it dry. I may not like the fact that they are taking a character created to represent all that is good to do this, who has Jewish creators that firmly stood against fascism, but I can understand what they are trying to say about this internal corruption and how it hides in plain sight.) Thor is about morality of character. They who be worthy to lift the hammer. Whether that's Donald Blake, Thor Odinson, Eric Masterson, Jane Foster, Ororo Munroe, or Dargo Ktor. Thor is the person who can wield the hammer. Whether it's a person from earth or the stars(Beta Ray Bill, who declined the name and gave the hammer back.) These characters mean more than the singular identity they started with. And I'm glad to see them grow into the myths that they are to such heights their names are carried by others now to further expand what they mean and represent. Myths grow and evolve with the times, and I'm glad to see Marvel is finally letting their universe grow and evolve. So in 10 years time, 20 years time, even 50 years time, we can see what new world has developed out of it because of this growth. It'd be pretty lame to look back in old age, and see the exact same universe as I had as a kid. That my kids are reading the same characters telling the same stories that only have mild differences, but instead have their own heroes, their own stories that we can share together. That they can come to me and tell me what they love about this new Marvel world, and I can share with them what I read as a kid. That we can mutually create a bond in these characters by recognizing and appreciating the differences for the heroes they need, and the heroes I had as a kid. That they can feel free to tell the stories with the heroes they like and have grown to love as I did. And it'll let me be able to hear what they think without preconceived notions of what Steve Rogers or Logan was. That I'll get the chance to listen to everything they rave about these characters and not already know everything they're saying. That I can genuinely listen and not think "Damn, marvel's still telling that same Tony Stark turns evil story" or "Peter was cloned again?" type stories. Last edited by Snowflakian; 05-26-2016 at 10:08 AM.. |
05-26-2016, 10:27 AM | #24011 |
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Yo people keep telling me they *saw* Manhattan. Unless he's supposed to be the random disembodied hand, all I saw were references to him.
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05-26-2016, 10:29 AM | #24012 |
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I don't get this call to make Steve homosexual. Firstly I feel like the news articles have probably overblown how many people actually want this and secondly the movies seem to have already established Steve as heterosexual. I totally get the call for there to be more representation of diversity in comics and comic book movies but wouldn't we be kinda forcing Captain America into this? They'd have an easier time establishing Spider-Man as gay since he's only been on screen for like twenty minutes and that was mostly in an action-scene capacity.
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05-26-2016, 10:53 AM | #24013 |
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The only new comic I've enjoyed is the current Ant-Man series. I picked up the first trade with it came out and thought it was really enjoyable.
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05-26-2016, 12:15 PM | #24014 |
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I don't get this call to make Steve homosexual. Firstly I feel like the news articles have probably overblown how many people actually want this and secondly the movies seem to have already established Steve as heterosexual. I totally get the call for there to be more representation of diversity in comics and comic book movies but wouldn't we be kinda forcing Captain America into this? They'd have an easier time establishing Spider-Man as gay since he's only been on screen for like twenty minutes and that was mostly in an action-scene capacity.
The only thing they've established in the MCU is that Steve loved Peggy Carter, may have the hots for Sharon Carter, and he loves Bucky. And I mean loves Bucky enough he'd probably leave Peggy or Sharon for him as we saw in Civil War. That's farther than even brotherly love. So nah, the articles weren't overblown. I was reading the twitter trend as it was going on, and I gotta say, they had some really valid points. Most laughed at the trend and were saying "doesn't he already have one?" As for Hydra cap. He may stick around for a bit as eventually Sam Wilson's Red Skull. The embodiment of the dark side of america that Wilson fights against. That seems to be what they are hinting at. Trying to make him as hated as Red Skull. I can see that as a story device working, but I do have to admit it is pretty harsh on the Rogers legacy. Maybe an AU version replacement would have been better, but hopefully they can use the secret wars shift to say this is because he was merged with the Ultimate Captain America version or something down the road so they can salvage the original Rogers in some manner. (Ultimate Captain America was a pretty die-hard Republican. Whereas 616 Captain America was always more Democrat/Liberal/Progressive leaning.) Last edited by Snowflakian; 05-26-2016 at 12:44 PM.. |
05-26-2016, 12:37 PM | #24015 |
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I got my Pilkster customs today; so pleased with the final outcome! These are great in hand and I love them!
Venom: Carnage: Agent Venom: Anti Venom: Maestro: Odin: Warbound (Elloe, Hiriom, No-Name Brood): Elloe: Hiriom: No-Name Brood (Select Figure): Meik is coming soon! Pilkster really put his effort into these! Last edited by Universe; 05-26-2016 at 11:25 PM.. |
05-26-2016, 01:10 PM | #24016 |
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Pilk i need that red skinned gal in the gold!
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05-26-2016, 07:12 PM | #24017 |
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As for cap, I always thought it was cool that he represents the ideals of America... He's just working hydra as a double agent... Gotta be. As far as his relationship with Bucky, it is strictly platonic. He didn't choose him over agent 13, it's just that Bucky had execution squads coming at him and Steve was the only one who could keep him safe. Whereas Sharon carter didn't have to fear her for her safety. Anyways cap isn't gay... Not that there is anything wrong with that. |
05-26-2016, 08:49 PM | #24018 |
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Between Black Widow, Spider-Woman and Mockingbird, I think all the female-led books are the best ones. Extraordinary X-Men and Moon Knight are also great books.
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05-26-2016, 08:58 PM | #24019 |
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As far as his relationship with Bucky, it is strictly platonic. He didn't choose him over agent 13, it's just that Bucky had execution squads coming at him and Steve was the only one who could keep him safe. Whereas Sharon carter didn't have to fear her for her safety.
Anyways cap isn't gay... Not that there is anything wrong with that. As for the Agent 13 thing, have you not heard of a "beard"? She was so under baked into the story. Also, it was messed up how he loved her aunt, then took her as sloppy seconds. She is just his cover-up
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05-26-2016, 09:30 PM | #24020 |
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Cap seemed pretty gay for Bucky. He was obsessive. if you go and rewatch the Winter Soldier, and the see Civil War, thats not a friendship thats a romance. And think about it, the only person who would get in the way of you and all your best friends is probably the person you love.
As for the Agent 13 thing, have you not heard of a "beard"? She was so under baked into the story. Also, it was messed up how he loved her aunt, then took her as sloppy seconds. She is just his cover-up Like I said, if you look at Winter Soldier, she is literally the only other woman he's ever genuinely asked out on a date. Outside of Peggy, the only other time Steve dated was when Bucky asked him to come along(Captain America 1) Bisexual doesn't mean gay. It means bisexual. It means he can be attracted to either or. When he's dating a girl that doesn't make him straight, when he's dating a guy that doesn't make him gay. Bisexual means both. Bucky and his story are definitely a romance, but let's not count out that Steve did ask out Sharon before the events of Civil War, so an attraction was already there on his side. This is before he found out she was Peggy's niece. So in the movie continuity, the groundwork for him being bisexual really is already there. |
05-26-2016, 10:25 PM | #24021 |
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Or maybe caps Capible of loving another man without wanting to bang or marry him. Like brothers, or brothers in arms. In the original comics Bucky was more like a son, why anyone would want to bring a child into a war zone I do not know, but the origin of caps guilt, before a shit load if retcons, altered time lines, retellings, reboots, reimagining, and more demention than a dodecahedron, was the fact that he lead a child to his death.
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05-27-2016, 04:57 AM | #24022 |
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Sooooooooooooo....anyway.
Any sign of that Panther/Agent 13 pack yet? I noticed the Cap with bike is up on Chinabay now - hoping those 2 will follow suit shortly. Falcon too! (I hope.)
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05-27-2016, 10:18 AM | #24023 |
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Sudden theory about Cap's recent Hydra reveal that may or may not be original, but I figured I'd spout it here.
Time travel. Isn't it convenient that the man who became Captain America just HAPPENED to be a Hydra agent? What if an agent of current Hydra went back in time and inducted Steve at a more influential age? If a current team of Marvel heroes could go back to that point, this current stupidity would be retconned back to the state that it should be.
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05-27-2016, 10:26 AM | #24024 |
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Personally I'm glad the didn't do what you said.
Sam Wilson Cap needs to be able to define his captain america as much as Bucky had to define his. Steve Rogers is the original with super soldier serum. That's his Captain America. Bucky's is the prosthetic armed war vet and all that his history entails. And Sam Wilson's is about freedom. Soaring to new heights on the wings of an eagle. Finding freedom in the skies. Those wings mean a lot in symbolism to what he stands for and means to others. How the ground can no longer shackle him to the dirt. That he's free to soar the skies with freedom. These aren't pretenders to the names. The names stand for things. Whether it's wolverine, spider-man, thor, or captain america. Each of those names over time have grown into more than simply the person behind the mask. Wolverine stands for overcoming your past and making your own way in life. Laura Kinney is the perfect namesake to carry on that Legacy. Like I hope someday Gabby takes up the mantle in the far far far future. Spider-man is about great power means great responsibility. The full body suit (outside the readers who knew who he was of course) always reflected an aspect it could be anyone of any race under that mask. That the point was that he was a kid trying to do what was right with what he was given. Captain America is literally about representing America. The ideals of the people and what they should stand for. Sometimes even in the face of the government itself. Sometimes that even means redemption as we saw in Bucky's case. Sometimes that means 2nd chances to make wrongs right. (Hydra cap is a bit different. This is the anti-thesis of cap in every way, but it is reflective of society. That there are problems in america still, and hate mongers who thrive. It is one of the wounds of america that's been trying to bleed it dry. I may not like the fact that they are taking a character created to represent all that is good to do this, who has Jewish creators that firmly stood against fascism, but I can understand what they are trying to say about this internal corruption and how it hides in plain sight.) Thor is about morality of character. They who be worthy to lift the hammer. Whether that's Donald Blake, Thor Odinson, Eric Masterson, Jane Foster, Ororo Munroe, or Dargo Ktor. Thor is the person who can wield the hammer. Whether it's a person from earth or the stars(Beta Ray Bill, who declined the name and gave the hammer back.) These characters mean more than the singular identity they started with. And I'm glad to see them grow into the myths that they are to such heights their names are carried by others now to further expand what they mean and represent. Myths grow and evolve with the times, and I'm glad to see Marvel is finally letting their universe grow and evolve. So in 10 years time, 20 years time, even 50 years time, we can see what new world has developed out of it because of this growth. It'd be pretty lame to look back in old age, and see the exact same universe as I had as a kid. That my kids are reading the same characters telling the same stories that only have mild differences, but instead have their own heroes, their own stories that we can share together. That they can come to me and tell me what they love about this new Marvel world, and I can share with them what I read as a kid. That we can mutually create a bond in these characters by recognizing and appreciating the differences for the heroes they need, and the heroes I had as a kid. That they can feel free to tell the stories with the heroes they like and have grown to love as I did. And it'll let me be able to hear what they think without preconceived notions of what Steve Rogers or Logan was. That I'll get the chance to listen to everything they rave about these characters and not already know everything they're saying. That I can genuinely listen and not think "Damn, marvel's still telling that same Tony Stark turns evil story" or "Peter was cloned again?" type stories.
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05-27-2016, 11:05 AM | #24025 |
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Hopefully they restock...just got confirmation from TRU that they shipped the stuff I ordered. Funny thing is they shipped them each individually because of the separate tracking #'s.
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