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01-12-2020, 01:16 PM | #76 |
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I mean Mcfarlane has definitely improved from their decade+ of mediocrity though does anyone really think they can shake a stick at Neca? These look like happy meal toys compared to these:
McFarlane is desperate to snag all the popular licenses from Neca because they know they can't match up. They always get them too because they were around longer and have more money. The action figure business is so frustrating. Seven inch scale creates the most conflict between companies and prevents the superior ones from getting a chance to truly show off their skill. Really sad. |
01-12-2020, 01:34 PM | #77 |
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Is there evidence behind this or is it just conjecture?
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01-12-2020, 01:53 PM | #78 |
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I’m actually not a fan of that head for Superman from Neca. I prefer Mcfarlane’s.
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01-12-2020, 02:01 PM | #79 |
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Seriously, what company WOULDN'T be desperate to have the rights to make toys of arguably the most popular fictional characters ever?
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01-12-2020, 03:01 PM | #80 |
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01-12-2020, 03:34 PM | #81 |
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Since Mcfarlane re-entered the 7" scale they've gotten first dibs on most licenses Neca doesn't own. Neca has to fight tooth and nail for popular/non-nieche licenses. The only reason Neca has been able to make any 7" scale DC figures is by releasing them with DVD's or as limited release SDCC exclusives. It's like Hasbro's claim on Marvel and Star Wars. Not that their figures are unsatisfactory.
I just hate the whole scale wars as it allows inferior companies to gag the superior ones. Let everybody make whatever they damn well please and let the consumers decide which company deserves the license. |
01-12-2020, 03:56 PM | #82 |
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Since Mcfarlane re-entered the 7" scale they've gotten first dibs on most licenses Neca doesn't own. Neca has to fight tooth and nail for popular/non-nieche licenses. The only reason Neca has been able to make any 7" scale DC figures is by releasing them with DVD's or as limited release SDCC exclusives. It's like Hasbro's claim on Marvel and Star Wars. Not that their figures are unsatisfactory.
I just hate the whole scale wars as it allows inferior companies to gag the superior ones. Let everybody make whatever they damn well please and let the consumers decide which company deserves the license.
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01-12-2020, 04:47 PM | #83 |
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I really like NECA's DC stuff from last year, but I don't dig their neck/heads. They are also a tad too muscular. I think it was being faithful to the art, and that's cool, but not my thing for primary rep.
If McFarlane's Bat/Supes were a bit more refined in execution, they'd be in the running as center stage rep on the shelves. I dig the general sculpts and stance, colors, capes etc otherwise. |
01-12-2020, 06:22 PM | #84 |
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The fact that NECA had to fight to release their SDCC figures is not McFarlane's fault, it is the fault of DC/WB and possibly whoever owned the rights to make toys in that scale at the time. Also, it's not McFarlane's fault if they're willing/ able to pay more for the DC license than NECA, McFarlane just has more money and pull with retailers than NECA does.
The funny part is; Most Mcfarlane's 7 inch lines aren't even 7 inch. GoT and CoD are more like 6 inch... Last edited by Stranger; 01-12-2020 at 06:45 PM.. |
01-12-2020, 06:44 PM | #85 |
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Well the Superman 1000 is easily one of my favorite figures to date. In hand he is just great. Love the sculpt, the head, and the flight stand is the strongest stand I own.
I do love my neca Superman as well. I love the soft goods cape. The sculpt is out of the 90’s. Honestly though if I had to pick one Superman figure I own to display...and could only be one.... Mcfarlane wins. Just my thoughts, from someone who does have them in hand. |
01-12-2020, 07:22 PM | #86 |
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Someone earlier in the thread asked for a comp of Supes and the 80th Legends Thor, I just found Supes at Walmart so here you go.
I have Thor in a slightly wider stance than Superman but it's not enough to drastically change his height.
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01-12-2020, 09:57 PM | #87 |
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That looks pretty good to me. Thanks.
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01-12-2020, 10:36 PM | #88 |
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No DC figures at all at any store I was at today (some Walgreens, a Walmart, and 2 Targets). Granted, I was looking for Marvel figures, but I still took a peak as I woud like to see the MacFarlane stuff in person even if I don't buy them.
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01-12-2020, 10:38 PM | #89 |
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Man, I was hoping I could fudge them but those are just too big to fit into anything else I'm collecting (Marvel Legends, Mezco). Guess I'm just getting the Hellbat and Superman Unchained... maybe a supes for the headswap. Damn, really wanted that girder from Animated Supes.
Is it in DC's license agreement that figures CANNOT fit into a Marvel Legends display? Icons was too small and everything else (DC Collectibles/Mattel, NECA, McFarlane) is too big... |
01-12-2020, 10:45 PM | #90 |
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Hmm. That Batman has a tiny head in comparison. On second thought, may get him if only to use that whole cowl/cape on a Marvel Legends custom body...
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01-13-2020, 01:55 AM | #91 |
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It's not McFarlane's responsibility to make sure his Multiverse line scales with Mattel's Multiverse line. And with Spin Masters making 4" and 6" figures, McFarlane would be contractually obligated to make his figures in a different scale like 7".
BAF's are just a gimmick to encourage sales; they aren't the sole reason for them. There have been several Marvel Legends figures over the past few years that have lacked a BAF piece but sold incredibly well. Also, there are a lot of Marvel Legends collectors that have been unhappy with the BAFs for the past couple of years due to the older BAFs have been getting single carded re-releases (with superior paint decos) and the more desirable BAFs are currently being put in waves with many undesirable characters. DCUC also had single releases of figures as exclusives and 2 Packs. and guess what. Their value plummeted with the exception of Comic-Con exclusives. I can tell you of the value of every figure every year for the last 18 years and let me tell you, Value: Here is my main gripe with Hasbro. Hasbro has cannibalizing their product lines. We spend a lot of money on these pieces, not just to look but to hold their value. Hasbro took figures that were exclusives or build a figures, then later rereleased them as regular figures. For example, SDCC Vishanti Dormammu set. Almost all of the figures from that main release where then rereleased as figures with extremely minor paint alterations. They did the same thing with Puck and Ultron and Jubilee (although a different model altogether but it sank the value of the BAF Jubilee), Hulkbuster, Giant Man, Juggernaut, etc. These were all extremely valuable BAFs whose value was between $75 to over $100. You can now buy Ultron and Giant Man for $25. They did the same thing in the Star Wars Black Series by taking their most valuable figures (Anakin, Yoda, Biker Scout, IG-88 etc) and release extremely minor paint alterations in the archive series, and sank the value of a lot collections. I have a running argument with them That is not caring for their collectors and the tremendous amount of money they sink into their products. Those valuable figures are the bedrock of every collection. They are premium pieces. And if you are an adult, they are how you justify spending thousands on a collection to your spouse. [/QUOTE] you watch Jay C's interview with Todd, he talks about the BAF concept and only using 3 figures at a time to complete something as opposed to 6 figures which often requires collectors to purchase figures they may not want. The first couple of BAFs (or CnC if you'd rather) will be Batmobiles but they are also considering diorama pieces like the Batcomputer. Jay C's interview, Todd stated that retailer support for GoT dried up when the show ended. His company is trying to make more figures but finding a retailer is a problem at the moment.[/QUOTE] =========> You mean those tiny BAF Batmobiles? C'mon. Their value won't exceed $20 when all is said and done. Make them scale accurate. Make it a reward for collecting and buying an entire series. Variety is how DC also introduces people to other characters. When I began collecting DCUC, I didn't know who Etrigan was, now he is one of my favorite characters. They owe us better than a money grab. In order for figures across a huge wave to hold its value and gain a lot of collectors they have to see monetary value in collecting. I'm not talking about an average collector who wants a cool Batman on his shelf Completists expect more and they should. Also, collectors have been faithful and loyal to 6" lines. To not make it at that scale is just moronic and business stupid. That is a fact, not an opinion. Stuff like the Hellbat will sit on shelves forever at Target or Walmart without a solid BAF piece to anchor it. That Nightwing figure is entirely lame and average. Where is the extra head and hands? Where are his other weapons? What about an accessories pack? There isn't anything unique sculpt except that it resembles the character. McFarlane is good, but not that good. You want a different size, do some 12" like Marvel Legends did, but those didn't sell very well. They just didn't because of their price-point. More importantly, people aren't going to invest in these if they think it's only going to be around for a wave or 2. Sorry. Bottom Line: Multiverse tried something different in a CNC with the Grapnel Blaster. It was the lowest selling BAF line in history. I kind of liked it but the consumers didn't. It didn't help that the fledgling DCEU was anchoring the line but there was absolutely nothing anchoring the DCUC. No movies, no fv shows. They were just the perfect blend of well made figures that were colorful and well made and still hold their value to this day. |
01-13-2020, 02:19 AM | #92 |
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Value: Here is my main gripe with Hasbro. Hasbro has cannibalizing their product lines. We spend a lot of money on these pieces, not just to look but to hold their value. Hasbro took figures that were exclusives or build a figures, then later rereleased them as regular figures. For example, SDCC Vishanti Dormammu set. Almost all of the figures from that main release where then rereleased as figures with extremely minor paint alterations. They did the same thing with Puck and Ultron and Jubilee (although a different model altogether but it sank the value of the BAF Jubilee), Hulkbuster, Giant Man, Juggernaut, etc. These were all extremely valuable BAFs whose value was between $75 to over $100. You can now buy Ultron and Giant Man for $25. They did the same thing in the Star Wars Black Series by taking their most valuable figures (Anakin, Yoda, Biker Scout, IG-88 etc) and release extremely minor paint alterations in the archive series, and sank the value of a lot collections. I have a running argument with them That is not caring for their collectors and the tremendous amount of money they sink into their products. Those valuable figures are the bedrock of every collection. They are premium pieces. And if you are an adult, they are how you justify spending thousands on a collection to your spouse.
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01-13-2020, 07:13 AM | #93 |
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I agree. I want figures to have cool things on display, take cool pictures, etc, NOT to become a millionaire. Hasbro is doing right by their customers by rereleasing old figures or bringing out superior new versions.
If someone bought a figure for $200 and got upset because Hasbro rereleased it, that's their own damn fault for being fucking retarded in the first place. They made the choice to spend $200 on that figure, not Hasbro. Shit like this is why Twilight Time stopped reissuing movies on BD because people who scooped up several copies of the first printings to make a profit whined that other people were getting to enjoy the movie too for retail price.
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01-13-2020, 08:32 AM | #94 |
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01-13-2020, 08:42 AM | #95 |
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Ahhhh, so you're a scalper/ speculator? Gotcha gotcha. No one here that truly loves the hobby and wants others to enjoy it gatekeeps, and the way Hasbro does rereleases with different paint jobs/ minor retooling still allows you to sell your toys to someone who gets off on having the original (albeit it is a smaller audience but there are people out there)
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01-13-2020, 08:43 AM | #96 |
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(Double post, please delete)
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01-13-2020, 08:49 AM | #97 |
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hmm thanks tony about a head taller for mafex... After watching JayC's interview with Todd I reckon he'll give us what we want depending on what the majority say. If todd does a 7 pack justice league figures, then i will likely get that... I fear mafex wont do a comic justice league even though they technically have the rights i think, i dunno need to see what they tease this year.
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01-13-2020, 10:57 AM | #98 |
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Unless you are a major retailer, scalping figures "that fell off a dock" by the hundred cases, then no, you do not sell "thousands a year". Shit. HUNDREDS is pushing the believability spectrum.
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01-13-2020, 11:12 AM | #99 |
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Well, I supposeeee they could be like a comic shop that buys people's collections and then pieces them out, but it still smells fishy haha
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01-13-2020, 11:22 AM | #100 |
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Most of the figures in the line seem nice, but the scale instantly kills my interest in them. If I wanted DC figures that had Marvel Legends like articulation but were out of scale with that entire line, I’d have started collecting DC Essentials. Alas my search for ML scale DC figures goes on.
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