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04-10-2012, 12:23 PM | #26 |
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04-10-2012, 12:43 PM | #27 |
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Has anyone bothered to read the junior novelization? I was at a Wal-Mart today and was leafing through it. From what I read (which wasn't much, just a few quick pages and the last page of the last chapter), they weren't named.
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04-10-2012, 12:51 PM | #28 |
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Funny, that sounds a lot like the Disir.
D�*sir (Earth-616) - Marvel Comics Database 16 total appearances, to date. Most of which involved the Fear Itself event. By comparison, Skrulls have had roughly 280 appearances as of 2009. Beyond that, if these enemies on ANYTHING from the Thor mythos that's some "denizen of another realm" rather than outright aliens, it will ruin this entire movie for me. The Avengers shouldn't just be a Thor subplot. |
04-10-2012, 12:54 PM | #29 |
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Heres the pic of the movie badguys from the MU apprec. thread:
And the toy pics: If it IS them they got seriously bright,and whats up with those helmets too?? They look very similar to Asgardians,and in my opinion a bit bland,not particularly dark or menacing like the movie version. (Though the movie versions do look like evil Valkyries!!)
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04-10-2012, 01:31 PM | #30 |
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I vote for the Xartans or Carbon Copy Men. They first appeared in JITM 90 and only made one other appearance in X-factor 32 posing as the avengers. They have the shape shifting and they also look like they are pale and decaying
As far as the Disir goes, they are all female so I doubt that they would be used. Will be really interesting to finally find out who they are Reference pic |
04-10-2012, 01:35 PM | #31 |
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It isn't the Disir. The script was almost certainly finished well before the Disir ever appeared. Plus the Aliens clearly aren't all undead females in viking garb, and the Disir aren't dog-faced, nor do they ride around on laser sleds.
Beyond that, if these enemies on ANYTHING from the Thor mythos that's some "denizen of another realm" rather than outright aliens, it will ruin this entire movie for me. The Avengers shouldn't just be a Thor subplot. As to your other point, the Avengers were essentially created from a Thor subplot in the comics. Only in the comics, Loki didn't use an army to try to conquer the Earth (or whatever he's trying to do in the movie).
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I had heard someone at a toy fare video interview in febuary slipped and said the aliens were the race that ORD was in Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. Which would make since because they have only been created recently and by Whedon himself, so they would not be one of the Big alien races.
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04-10-2012, 01:58 PM | #33 |
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I had heard someone at a toy fare video interview in febuary slipped and said the aliens were the race that ORD was in Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. Which would make since because they have only been created recently and by Whedon himself, so they would not be one of the Big alien races.
Though that would be an entertaining movie, a bunch of a-hole aliens attack earth just because. |
04-10-2012, 02:30 PM | #34 |
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the figures look like a rejected covenant species.
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04-10-2012, 02:43 PM | #35 |
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Those guys only have three toes. O_o Black Widow looks pretty good though.
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04-10-2012, 03:18 PM | #36 |
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I'm thinking the toys don't even accurately reflect the movie due to mid-development tinkering by the studio.
The heavy rumor is that the aliens WERE supposed to be the Skrulls according to the script that leaked during the first week of filming, and that Marvel Studios went back and HEAVILY rewrote the movie after that happened, to include completely changing the identity of the alien invaders. (The Skrull involvement was further hinted at with the designs from a cancelled video game). Licensors may have received the original designs, but due to production timelines, etc.... didn't have time to change them when the final changes were made. Because yeah...those toys really don't resemble the screenshots at all. |
04-10-2012, 03:40 PM | #37 |
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not to also mention skrulls or very skrull looking characters being used for that avengers board game.
would love to see them pop up in the marvel movieverse someday. for sure will pick up that fury and widow. hope they even make it out in abundance. |
04-10-2012, 05:51 PM | #38 |
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How about the Alpha Centarians? They are a little know race and have tried to cause problems on the Earth before.
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04-10-2012, 06:39 PM | #39 |
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I'm in the camp about it being the Disir.
Also, articulated ankles! And about time we got to see the new Nick Fury figure! Quote:
It isn't the Disir. The script was almost certainly finished well before the Disir ever appeared. Plus the Aliens clearly aren't all undead females in viking garb, and the Disir aren't dog-faced, nor do they ride around on laser sleds.
Beyond that, if these enemies on ANYTHING from the Thor mythos that's some "denizen of another realm" rather than outright aliens, it will ruin this entire movie for me. The Avengers shouldn't just be a Thor subplot. As for the skrulls, they've been tied up in the Fantastic Four rights anyway. So while they could have been an early idea, they could have never been used. Last edited by Snowflakian; 04-10-2012 at 06:43 PM.. |
04-10-2012, 07:19 PM | #40 |
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seems like fury is using first avenger winter soldier legs.
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04-10-2012, 07:46 PM | #41 |
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I'm in the camp about it being the Disir.
Also, articulated ankles! And about time we got to see the new Nick Fury figure! That could be why they were made and used in the comics since Marvel likes synergy. As for other changes, well it's the movie-verse. In it thor is an alien from another dimension anyway, so it's not like it would be completely unheard of for them to adapt the ideas into something slightly different for the movies. Could be Hela's army too though. It's definitely something tied to Loki being stuck between realms briefly. As for the skrulls, they've been tied up in the Fantastic Four rights anyway. So while they could have been an early idea, they could have never been used.
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04-10-2012, 08:00 PM | #42 |
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Uhh sorry....but Loki's army is NOT the Disir. The Disir were chicks, there was only about 13 of them, and they were cursed cannibal maidens of Bor. The Disir don't need ships to move around in the atmosphere either, as they are bascially ghosts. The creatures in the movie are technologically advanced, and look more like the Chitari. They also for the most part, look to be the male species of an alien race. Last edited by Optimatron; 04-10-2012 at 08:04 PM.. |
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According to Kevin Feige you've already lost that bet.
His quote, more specifically, was that "they are from the comics, but their identity is not impactful." This statement was made in conjunction with denying that they are Kree or Skrulls. Which basically tells us that they're probably some race that Marvel dug out of the deep vaults just for the movie. Which is almost what you said, just with the caveat that they did appear in the comics at least once. Basically they're here to be an enemy just for one movie and not likely to play a much bigger role in the overall Marvel Cinematic Universe the way Kree or Skrulls might. I'm betting it's some race that will have the comic-geeks combing the back-issues looking for. It won't be one of the "major" alien races at all. Or maybe they'll just call them the Chitauri and call it a day. I wonder what rationale they'd have to follow Loki anyway? As to the Disir, they'e been in comics since 2010's Kerion Gillen wrote them for the Seige event- long before any Avengers script was likely finalized...then he took the ball and ran with it, making hem copelling characters. http://marvel.wikia.com/New_Mutants_Vol_3_11 Last edited by Jason Abbadon; 04-10-2012 at 08:23 PM.. |
04-10-2012, 10:27 PM | #44 |
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So the Villain figs and Black Widow...have wrist and ankle articulation?
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It's just going to be a ruined movie version of the Kree or Skrulls.. I'm calling it..
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04-11-2012, 08:48 AM | #46 |
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It's not a far reach really. Fallen valkyries would still be fallen asgardians, and as I said the movie-verse already did change Thor from a god to dimensional alien that norse legends were based on. It's not going to be 100% comic accurate, but none of the movies have been. It's also not going to be the skrulls, because as mentioned before they are tied up in the Fantastic 4 rights. The Disir make the most sense when you add up the facts (minus not being female, but again, movie not comics). They were created while the film was still being finalized, marvel likes synergy, they are in the comics, they have norse ties, and they are trapped inbetween realms/dimensions. The only other clue we have right now is that these "aliens" have 6 fingers. The toys have two thumbs. Early concepts may have had them as a form of asgardian skrulls though(the toy heads are very pointy eared). The toy and movie armor is very Thor like. Which btw, again Thor is an alien in this so you can't count on everything movie norse being accurate to the comics. The Alien baddies don't have wrist articulation it seems. They have ankle, maybe double knees, the swivel ball leg joint, then the normal avengers line arms and heads. Black widow looks like she has ankle articulation too, but no signs of wrist. Last edited by Snowflakian; 04-11-2012 at 09:01 AM.. |
04-11-2012, 09:00 AM | #47 |
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I'm sick of people saying they are the Disir. Anyone who says so obviously hasn't spent much time reading Thor the past couple of years.
Uhh sorry....but Loki's army is NOT the Disir. The Disir were chicks, there was only about 13 of them, and they were cursed cannibal maidens of Bor. The Disir don't need ships to move around in the atmosphere either, as they are bascially ghosts. The creatures in the movie are technologically advanced, and look more like the Chitari. They also for the most part, look to be the male species of an alien race. However, I do like Snow's reasoning that they could have used the Disir as a basis and changed some of the details for the film, like expanding the definition to fallen Asgardians (not just Valkyries) or even that it's Hela's army of the undead. Also, part of movie Thor's background in addition to being an extra-dimensional alien is that the Asgardians are also highly advanced, technologically-speaking. So much so that their powers/tech look like magic to humans (even in the modern day).
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tall aliens with pointy ears in gold armor? Clearly its the Kilwrathi. They need Mark Hamil and Freddie Prince JR. not the Avengers.
I wouldnt get too worked up over the id of the aliens. Even when they have a name it will be their first appearance in this continuity. Im sure Wheddon decided on what he wanted from the aliens then applied the name. |
04-11-2012, 09:33 AM | #49 |
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Note that these baddies have three toes. That anatomical feature greatly reduces what they could be.
Also keep in mind the differences between comic Abomination and movie Abomination. These could very well be the movie creators' idea of Skrull. |
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