[Da_Last_2_Walk]

2012 comes out this Friday!

Does anybody believe doomsday is near, or will it be just another day?

[scarecrow]

It's something I'm mildly paranoid about, but paranoid still.

I'm sure it will be just like 6/6/06

[Galaxy Ranger]

The guy making the calendar had to finaly stop at some point (or die).

[Snowflakian]

Well the direct translation of the 'prophecies' and calendar change etc, just means 'end of the world as we know it.'

That can be interpreted many ways. From the actual end of the world, to the end of the last of a certain bloodline, to almost anything inbetween. It just means some drastic change or upheaval, potentially even just biologicly speaking. Whether that means transcendance, or a certain gene trait annihalation, who knows.

I'm not too worried about it, just thankful our generation gets to witness history in the making. 9/11, Obama, and 2012 are all things that'll probably end up in history books taught to our grandchildren, and their grandchildren. Like the assasinations of MLK, and JFK, were taught to some of us. Even the events that lead to WWI.

[BlackRazor]

I heard something recently that this started on the net & they didn't mean it was the end of the world but once the rumor spread it was like wildfire.

Like my grandmother told me years ago, people have predicted the end of the world since 1950 in her life.

[Da_Last_2_Walk]

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Originally Posted by scarecrow

It's something I'm mildly paranoid about, but paranoid still.

I'm sure it will be just like 6/6/06

I've done a lot if research on this topic, and it is quite compelling.

666, the mark of the Beast. Also the name of my favorite music group!

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by scarecrow

It's something I'm mildly paranoid about, but paranoid still.

I'm sure it will be just like 6/6/06

Same here. The Earth has several billion years to go before it self-destructs, so unless we do something really stupid, we should be fine.

Also, I find it curious that no one really made a big deal aobut 7/7/07. And here I thought God had the better agent.

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Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk

I've done a lot if research on this topic, and it is quite compelling.

What I find most ironic about these "doomsday" prophecies is that every time we hit the deadline, they change the date. It's like that old joke about a broken watch. If people keep picking a new date for the End of Days, eventually one of them's going to be right.

But I have a feeling we'll all be long dead before someone gets it right.

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666, the mark of the Beast. Also the name of my favorite music group!

666 or The Mark of the Beast?

On a side note, "The Number of the Beast" is one of my favorite songs by Iron Maiden

[Runamuck]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Well the direct translation of the 'prophecies' and calendar change etc, just means 'end of the world as we know it.

This is what I think. End of the world as we know it....a lot of lives will be lost..but end of the world as we know it, nonetheless. Human species will still go on. That is just my opinion, though...and not trying to be argumentative about it! lol

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Same here. The Earth has several billion years to go before it self-destructs, so unless we do something really stupid, we should be fine.

Yeah, but doesn't mean something from space can't "self destruct" this planet before it's time.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Runamuck

This is what I think. End of the world as we know it....a lot of lives will be lost..but end of the world as we know it, nonetheless. Human species will still go on. That is just my opinion, though...and not trying to be argumentative about it! lol



Yeah, but doesn't mean something from space can't "self destruct" this planet before it's time.

Well the funny thing on that, is context. "We knew it." Isn't accurate. It'd be as "they knew it." So odds are, it's something that doesn't even matter to the modern day.

As for 666, that's an injoke to the writers of the bible. It spells out a name.
This is also the marginally funny aspect to religeous prophecies. Lucifer does not exist. It was created in Dante's Inferno, and is never actually in the bible. Now Satan is biblical, but he's more often refered to as God's Angel of temptation. Satan even translates to 'the adversary.'

Religion and prophecies are interesting in this regard, but politics, and socialized preachings over the years have dilluted the direct meanings and context from history.

So 2012, as far as we knew could just mean the last gene traits of the Mayans, or Aztecs, or even just some social order change. "End of the world" is a complicated figurative term that covers so much more than just the actual end of the world. Think about Teens and how every little thing is the end of the world to them, and you start to get a vague feeling of exactly how far spread that phrase covers.

[Da_Last_2_Walk]

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Originally Posted by Galaxy Ranger

The guy making the calendar had to finaly stop at some point (or die).

Which guy & calendar are you referring to?

[Galaxy Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk

Which guy & calendar are you referring to?

12-21-2012 is when the Mayan calendar stops hence the end of the world fear.

[Da_Last_2_Walk]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Well the direct translation of the 'prophecies' and calendar change etc, just means 'end of the world as we know it.'

That can be interpreted many ways. From the actual end of the world, to the end of the last of a certain bloodline, to almost anything inbetween. It just means some drastic change or upheaval, potentially even just biologicly speaking. Whether that means transcendance, or a certain gene trait annihalation, who knows.

I'm not too worried about it, just thankful our generation gets to witness history in the making. 9/11, Obama, and 2012 are all things that'll probably end up in history books taught to our grandchildren, and their grandchildren. Like the assasinations of MLK, and JFK, were taught to some of us. Even the events that lead to WWI.

According to the ancient Mayans, 2012 is the end of the "Long Count", and signifies a "time of change".

Some of the prophecies, like the ones from Nostradamus, suggest that the future can be changed, and there is still hope.

But there are many other cultures and prophecies that do say that 2012 will be a doomsday scenario.

I agree that it could be interpreted different ways. It could be a drastic change of some sort, or the beginning of a chain if reactions that lead to a drastic change.

Some also say that 9/11 plays a part in the prophecies.

[Da_Last_2_Walk]

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Originally Posted by BlackRazor

I heard something recently that this started on the net & they didn't mean it was the end of the world but once the rumor spread it was like wildfire.

Like my grandmother told me years ago, people have predicted the end of the world since 1950 in her life.

There is a program on the www called web.bot that is said to have predicted the giant tsunami in 2004, hurricane Katrina in 2005 & 9-11.

People have made many false predictions before.....but I find it interesting that so many diverse cultures all say the same thing about 2012.

[Nexodusrex]

I'm gonna say this, but it wont be quick. All the doomsday prophecies are hoaxs. the truth of the matter is nobody knows what will happen in 2012, but I am gonna talk about a couple of the big ones.

Mayan Longcount Calender. yes. its going to end in 2012. But, it also ended in 1618. All of the Longcount Calenders are called a baktun, and we are currently in the 13th baktun. You see, back in the 1980s, a man named Frank Waters put out a book called "Mayan Great Cycle", predicting the world would end at the end of the long count calender.
yes, people have been making prophecies about the end of the world for centuries. if you look at the internet, there are a few websites that list many of the doomsday prophecies that have failed in the past 2000 years(The earlier years are a bit sketchy but theres a good list). and one of them lists them into the future up to the year 2040. infact, theres one scheduled for 2009, which probably already came.
anyway, back to this. This man mistakenly explained that the mayan calender had never ended before, and that it has been ongoing for 3000 some odd years. he also mistakenly plotted the end of this long count as December 24th 2011(Christmas Eve. Bummer). Of course, he is wrong. If you ask any reputable mayan expert, they will tell you all you need to know as to why this is wrong. Infact, I'll do it right now and I know I'm not an expert.

"Most of the Maya calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 × 20) was known as a katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 × 7,200 = 144,000 days). Although some ancient inscriptions turn 13 baktuns into an important reset milestone, others imply that the calendar simply keeps running. For instance, it takes 20 baktuns to make a pictun." this was taken from E.C. Krupp's, Director of Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, article in Sky & Telescope Magazine.

and this was what sparked many of the doomsday plots, a few people heard it somewhere, and they put things together in a paranoid frenzy. I'll continue

Planet Niburu. this one is pure science fiction that has been around for a decade. it is an imaginary planet that originally was supposed to collide with earth in 2003. It didnt. so as 2012 started stirring, people tacked it into 2012. Moving on.

Polar Shift. This one is the most likely to happen, because it could actually be happening now. a Polar shift is when the earths gravity begins to go askew and the planet would turn upside down. The thing is, ask any astronomer, physicist, or geologist, and they'll tell you such a thing can happen, but it would take thousands upon thousands of years from start to finish. infact we could be in the middle of it right now, and not know it untill tomorrow, or untill 50 years from now, or 600 years from now.

Planet Alignment. Planets have done this all the time since the history of man. Infact, it happened in 1982, but acording to Nasa, its not scheduled to happen again in 2012, and the most important part. It dosent mess with anything.

Return of Christ or rapture. I am not even going to say anything abuot this but that its been predicted since his death for the past 2000 years in just about every decade atleast once.

Nostrodamus. He didnt predict 9/11 if you actually research it, so I am just throwing him away.

Webbot. This thing only says its the doomsday cause it monitors what people talk about and if people are talking about a doomsday, than its gonna say there will be a doomsday. if people talk about the doomsday will be involving fluffy bunnys, than it will say the doomsday will involve fluffy bunnys.

Aliens. more likely than most, but hardly likely. I'm chocking this one up to Science fiction.

Solar Flares. This is one of the bigger ones, and its true, a solar event is going to start in 2012 and end in 2014. But, it is also true that these solar events are actually on a schedule of about every 11 years(nasa.gov is great for little info like this). so in 2001, 1990, 1979 and so on, untill the beginning of the suns existance, it has had some kind of flare, and if the flares havent burnt us out since the dawn of man some 10,000 years ago, I am not gonna hold my breath.

lastly, I want to touch base on another subject. like I said, Doomsday theories have popped up throughout mans history, and people will usually be freaked out about it because many like to jump at little things without fully understanding. once there was supposed to be a great flood and people in europe spent a week in boats waiting for it.

I'm also gonna say this. Despite what people on the internet have tacked onto this date, it is nothing compared to the dates of December 31st, 1999 and january 1st 2000. I lifted these from a great website. A Brief History of the Apocalypse which lists many failed doomsdays.

2000 the year
Hal Lindsey, whose 1988 prediction failed, suggests the end in his recently published book, entitled Planet Earth - 2000 A.D. However, he leaves himself a face-saving outlet: "Could I be wrong? Of course. The Rapture may not occur between now and the year 2000." (Lindsey p.306)
The beginning of Christ's Millennium according to some Mormon literature, such as the publication Watch and Be Ready: Preparing for the Second Coming of the Lord. The New Jerusalem will descend from the heavens in 2000, landing in Independence, Missouri. (McIver #3377, Skinner p.100)
19th century mystic Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy, foresaw the end of the world in 2000. (Shaw p.83)
Even Sir Isaac Newton was bitten by the millennium bug. He predicted that Christ's Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John. (Schwartz p.96)
Ruth Montgomery predicts Earth's axis will shift and the Antichrist will reveal himself in 2000. (Kyle p.156, 195)
The establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven, according to Rev. Sun Myung Moon. (Kyle p.148)
The Second Coming, followed by a New Age, according to famed psychic Edgar Cayce. (Hanna p.219)
The Second Coming, as forecasted in Ed Dobson's book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000.
The end of the world according to Lester Sumrall in his book I Predict 2000. (Abanes p.99, 341)
The tribulation is to occur before the year 2000, said Gordon Lindsay, founder of the Christ for the Nations Ministry. (Abanes p.280)
According to a series of lectures given by Shoko Asahara in 1992, 90% of the world's population would be annihilated by nuclear, biological and chemical weapons by the year 2000. (Thompson p.262)
One of the earliest predictions for the year 2000 was made by Petrus Olivi in 1297. He wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around 2000. (Weber p.54)
According to American Indian spiritual leader Sun Bear, the end of the world would come in the year 2000 if the human race didn't shape up. (Abanes p.307)
18th century fire-and-brimstone preacher Jonathan Edwards concluded that Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in 2000. (Weber p.171)
The world will be devastated by AIDS in the year 2000, according to Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Afterwards, the world will be rebuilt by a peaceful matriarchal society. (Robbins p.164)
William Kamm, aka Little Pebble, is the leader of the Australian doomsday cult Order of St. Charbel, predicts that a comet will destroy the Earth before the dawn of the new millennium.
Fundamentalist conspiracy advocate Texe Marrs stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000." (Abanes p.311)
Members of the Stella Maris Gnostic Church, a Colombian doomsday cult, went into Colombia's Sierra Nevada mountains over the weekend of July 3-4, 1999, weekend to be picked up by a UFO that would save them from the end of the world, which is to take place at the turn of the millennium. The cult members have disappeared. Perhaps they were picked up by aliens! (Source: BBC News).
A radical apocalyptic sect emerged in early 18th century France: the Convulsionaries. One of the members, Jacques-Joseph Duguet, anticipated the Parousia in 2000. (Kyle p.192)
Timothy Dwight (1752-1817), President of Yale University, foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000. (Kyle p.81)
Martin Luther looked at 2000 as a possible end-time date, before finally settling on 1600. (Kyle p.192)
Sukyo Mahikari, a Japanese cult, preaches that the world might be destroyed in a "baptism of fire" by 2000. (Source: ABC News)
A Vietnamese cult headed by Ca Van Lieng predicted an apocalyptic flood for 2000. But doomsday came much earlier for the cult members: he and his followers committed mass suicide in October 1993. (Source: Cult Observer archives)
Before the end of 1999, Hon-Ming Chen of the 30-member cult Chen Tao began backpedalling on his prediction of a nuclear holocaust and UFO rescue by December 31. Now Doomsday has been rescheduled to sometime "in the next year," according to cult spokesman Richard Liu. (St. Cloud Times, Dec. 26, 1999)
Sometime in 2000 ("either a few days or a few months away," according to this Sep. 12, 2000 CNN article) the End of Days will take place, say members of a Mormon-based cult near the Utah-Arizona border. Hundreds of memmbers of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have pulled their kids out of school' in preparation for the Big Day.

January 1st 2000
Y2K!! Compounding people's apocalyptic hopes and fears for 2000 was a technological problem that came to be known as Y2K. This problem was hyped by the media, preachers, doomsayers and the authors of a myriad Y2K preparedness books as something that promised to bring the world to a catastrophic standstill. But thanks to the diligent efforts of programmers, governments and companies throughout the world, the bite of the "Y2K bug" turned out to be mostly harmless. There were a few minor glitches here and there, but nothing serious. The fundamentalists who claimed that Y2K is all part of God's plan or that the Antichrist would use Y2K to seize power have been proven wrong! In the aftermath of this ultimate disconfirmation many of them have tried to salvage their dignity by saying "Just you wait! It's only the beginning of the end!" To the Y2K doomsayers I smugly say, "I told you so!" Here's an interesting article about the combination of Y2K with mystical expectations.

In the honored tradition of the "comet pills" of 1910, many hucksters took advantage of people's Y2K fears to reap a tidy doomsday profit by selling survival gear. Now all those who "stocked up for Y2K" will have to figure out what to do with all those packets of freeze-dried food, bottles of water, gasoline generators, wood-burning stoves and shotgun shells.

For an example of the extent that Y2K doomsday paranoia can grip someone, take a gander at Gary North's page. In your face, Gary!!!


The Christian apocalyptic cult House of Prayer, headed by one Brother David, expected Christ to descend onto the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem on this day. The Israeli government recently kicked them out of the country in a preemptive strike against potentially violent doomsday nutcases who may attempt to catalyze the Apocalypse through terrorist acts such as blowing up the Dome of the Rock.

John WorldPeace sent this post to Usenet, claiming that the failure of Jesus to return on January 1 will lead to the people of the world finally abandoning war and hatred as foolish pursuits and instead embracing peace, love and tolerance. Wouldn't it be great if he were right?
Bobby Bible, a 60-year-old fundamentalist, believed that Jesus would descend from Heaven at the stroke of midnight in Jerusalem and rapture his church.
A Philippine cult called Tunnels of Salvation taught that the world would end on January 1. The cult's guru, Cerferino Quinte, claimed that the world would be destroyed in an "all consuming rain of fire" on January 1. (I guess his prediction came partially true: there were plenty of fireworks going off around the world that night.) In order to survive the world's destruction, the cult members built an elaborate series of tunnels where he had stockpiled a year's worth of supplies for 700 people. CESNUR)
UK native Ann Willem spent the New Year in Israel, expecting to be raptured by Jesus on New Year's Day. "It didn't happen the way it was supposed to," she said of the failure of the Rapture to take place. (USA Today p.5A, 1/3/00)
Jerry Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on New Year's Day. According to Falwell, God "may be preparing to confound our language, to jam our communications, scatter our efforts, and judge us for our sin and rebellion against his lordship. We are hearing from many sources that January 1, 2000, will be a fateful day in the history of the world." Happy New Year! (Christianity Today, Jan. 11, 1999)
Timothy LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, authors of the bestselling Left Behind series of apocalyptic fiction, expected the Y2K bug to trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the big day approached, they, like other doomsayers, backpedalled. (Source: Washington Post)


the main reason I type this up is because people are being led to panic, thanks to Hollywood fueling a small fire. I want people to relax and enjoy themselves. Nobody can truely predict what the future holds unless your Doc Emmett Brown, and the important thing about life is to enjoy it and live it for the moment.

[Da_Last_2_Walk]

Swooped up the dvd & watched it again today.

[Johnnyakiba]

I think everyone will survive...and no one will be erraticated.

BUT

Would it not be awsome if Galactus showed up out of no where? Yeah THAT is a doomsday that I would love to see.

[warmachine6]

you know what i think these silly people say "oh no the earth will die at ..." whats the point people say this every year just on a different date like 2006 , 2000, 2012 they should really get a life for how ever long it will last and let the world do its thing .

[scarecrow]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

you know what i think these silly people say "oh no the earth will die at ..." whats the point people say this every year just on a different date like 2006 , 2000, 2012 they should really get a life for how ever long it will last and let the world do its thing .

I'm definitely not one of those people who think the world is going to end, but I thought that the reason everyone is freaking out about 2012 is because of the Mayan Calendar and things that have been established, for, you know, hundreds of years.

[trebleshot]

Wow, zombie thread is alive and eating brains! o.O

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Originally Posted by Runamuck

Yeah, but doesn't mean something from space can't "self destruct" this planet before it's time.

True. But there have probably been just as many extraterrestrial predictions proven as there have been terrestrial, and most likely they are what-if scenarios, fictional or both.

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Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk

Swooped up the dvd & watched it again today.

I saw it on Netflix recently, and I don't know why I continue to watch Emmerich's movies. Maybe I'm hoping for another movie like Independence Day - other than a sequel or remake.

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Originally Posted by scarecrow

I'm definitely not one of those people who think the world is going to end, but I thought that the reason everyone is freaking out about 2012 is because of the Mayan Calendar and things that have been established, for, you know, hundreds of years.

I think a lot of the frenzy surrounding 2012 is similar to what happened with the numberous listings about 1999 and 2000 that Nexodusrex provided.

A lot of the prophecies, predictions and postulations started agreeing on a general time frame (but not the scenarios). Others just took the date stated by one (potentially misunderstood) source and ran with it.

Personally, I don't think anyone should waste their time worrying about the end of the world, since you probably won't be alive long enough to care or even know it happened.