[D00MTR0N]

Who is it, Dr.Doom or Dr.Strange? who do you think would win if it came down to an all out mystic arts brawl? heres the thing, Doom does not have his armor and Strange cannot wear the red cloak of levitation.

[Jason Abbadon]

That was clearly settled in the Triumph & Torment Graphic Novel- Doom had to use the computers in his armor to mimic the training and stances of more experienced magic users to come in...a distant second to Doctor Strange.
Even that was because the other participants in the contest worked to save each other from death while Doom advanced by just not caring.

Doom's tough, no doubt, but a jack of all trades is the master of none and Doctor strange remains the master of the mystic arts, baby!

[D00MTR0N]

yes but Doom used his powers to take on the devil himself,though he did not win he does it anually in hopes of rescuing his mother and one day WILL win,what again has strange done?

[Jason Abbadon]

Er...saved the multiverse several times, earned the thanks of Eternity and the Living Tribunal and boned Clea.

[omega145]

Dr. Strange of course, since doom is your favorite character your a tad biased but then again, its always up to the writer of the story in who wins.

[Tiberius]

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Dr. Strange of course, since doom is your favorite character your a tad biased but then again, its always up to the writer of the story in who wins.

Dr. Strange...that is just how it goes, when it is magic vs magic.

[D00MTR0N]

ok fine,then explain in what instance any of you would have Doom finally freakin win?I feel you all and even the comic world underestimates him to a max,so go ahead,or is he just some nut to you?yet a real nut like osborne gets all this attention,pathetic,osborne will end up in the end in a pool of his own drool while Doom stand tall(if it were up to me).

[omega145]

Nah man, Dr Doom is a pretty bad @ss villian but some of your battles are kinda one sided. Have him face someone thats on his level as a psycho human with the ability to create weapons and scientific devices or at least on that level. Not powerful superheroes with powerful abilities like Thor whos a freakin god and Dr Strange whos a powerful sorcerer.

[Tiberius]

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ok fine,then explain in what instance any of you would have Doom finally freakin win?I feel you all and even the comic world underestimates him to a max,so go ahead,or is he just some nut to you?yet a real nut like osborne gets all this attention,pathetic,osborne will end up in the end in a pool of his own drool while Doom stand tall(if it were up to me).

Doom has his own country, army, government, ect. Doom wins his own ways, and that is one of them. Sure Doom never really wins, but he never loses either. He is just one of those characters that will aways be in he middle. Just wait for a House of Doom event...it will be Doomiful.

[D00MTR0N]

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Nah man, Dr Doom is a pretty bad @ss villian but some of your battles are kinda one sided. Have him face someone thats on his level as a psycho human with the ability to create weapons and scientific devices or at least on that level. Not powerful superheroes with powerful abilities like Thor whos a freakin god and Dr Strange whos a powerful sorcerer.

but A. he is not psycho and B. not a villian,he is more of an anti hero and in the end all he wants is to save his mother,strip all the anger and what not away,reed and the fantastic 4 are simply an outlet for it,he is deep down a legit anti hero,and a good dude imo.

he is in the same league as Vader,both were good in the beginning or at least adjusted individuals,both lost their mother,both have anger issues and both were above the avarage,both in the end would give all to have their mothers back,look at all the pain they suffered,the burns,the shunning by their peers,the people that turned on them,remember the ones who turned on them were considered the "good" guys,how ironic,Vader and Doom are more real then any hero for that fact alone,not only can they endure great pain to their body but also to the mental and yet still survive,again without anyone but themselves to run to.

[Jason Abbadon]

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ok fine,then explain in what instance any of you would have Doom finally freakin win?I feel you all and even the comic world underestimates him to a max,so go ahead,or is he just some nut to you?yet a real nut like osborne gets all this attention,pathetic,osborne will end up in the end in a pool of his own drool while Doom stand tall (if it were up to me).

I'd definitely give it to Doom over Osborn- that's just no question.
Hell, Phobos, a thirteen year old, had Osborn on his knees screaming and begging for help...while Ares looked on and smiled at his son's cruelty.

Doom could do no less.

But writers have been useing Doom as their bitch post lately- any crap character they introduce gets to beat on doom to show how badass they supposedly are.

[Tiberius]

I am a Osborn homer for sure, but when it comes down to it all, Doom would win. Sure in the comics Doom had no choice but to accept Osborns help, but 1 v 1 even in Iron Patriot armor, Doom wins.

[D00MTR0N]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

I'd definitely give it to Doom over Osborn- that's just no question.
Hell, Phobos, a thirteen year old, had Osborn on his knees screaming and begging for help...while Ares looked on and smiled at his son's cruelty.

Doom could do no less.

But writers have been useing Doom as their bitch post lately- any crap character they introduce gets to beat on doom to show how badass they supposedly are.

and this is whats wrong with comics today,they are using Doom like a whipping post when he is as far from that as it comes,if they continue I will stop reading this neo comic bullshit and stay with the classics,these new writers think they are cool by writing these "lets make Doom an evil reeds slave" shit!whatever dude,take another hit tool,stan and kirby,look em up and learn!

[CLASSIFIED]

Dr Strange doesn't have the red cloak of levitation or the Eye of Agamoto anymore.

I don't think he is currently the sorceror supreme either.

Given that Doom might win.

[trebleshot]

Well, technically Strange's title is the Sorcerer Supreme, so I think he'd win by default.

As for the actual battle between skills, I'd still give it to Strange. He's had far more experience in that field than Doom and would know more tricks (pardon the pun).

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he is in the same league as Vader,both were good in the beginning or at least adjusted individuals,both lost their mother,both have anger issues and both were above the avarage,both in the end would give all to have their mothers back,look at all the pain they suffered,the burns,the shunning by their peers,the people that turned on them,remember the ones who turned on them were considered the "good" guys,how ironic,Vader and Doom are more real then any hero for that fact alone,not only can they endure great pain to their body but also to the mental and yet still survive,again without anyone but themselves to run to.

Darth Vader is definitely not an anti-hero. He murdered the clan of Tusken Raiders that killed his mom, purely out of anger and vengeance. He almost committed genocide of the Jedi Order (and probably would have, if not for his son). He killed children. He tortured and killed thousands of others. And countless other acts of an evil person. And the one and only reason he turned on Palpatine was to save his son, not return his mother back from the dead or even atone for his prior acts.

If anything, I would say that Doom is far more sympathetic than Vader. But Doom is still a villain. Yes, he wants to free his mother's soul from Hell, but he also still wants to rule the world, not just Latveria. Of course, if you want to do a versus match where Doom would be the winner, then I would suggest picking another villain, or a hero at Doom's level. For instance, in a one-on-one, I think Doom would beat Reed Richards. The problem is, Reed has his wife, son, daughter and best friend to help him. Doom just has his Doombots.

And if it doesn't work out, you could always say it was just a Doombot.

[CLASSIFIED]

I thought Brother Voodoo was the sorceror supreme?

[Jason Abbadon]

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I thought Brother Voodoo was the sorceror supreme?

He's busy being dead.

There's no title holder anymore since the Vashanti sorta broke up- they awarded the title as sorta their "made man" to defend the dimension against incursion by jerkasses like Dormammu and Shuma Gorath.

Of course, if Marvel was on the ball, Doctor Strange would have been a big part of Thanos Imperative.


But Doc's still a total badass- and his new black and red costume rocks!

Doom wont ever be in Stephen's level- he's a practical man and his interests lay with combat magic...while Stephen knows the full range of skills- making him more versitile.

But Doom can just shoot your ass- or use his coolest weapon that he almost never uses anymore- a bunch of boulders shrunk with Pym Particles, stored into his gauntlet- wich he can shoot out of his index finger- and they instantly return to their former size and mass: nothing like a shower of boulders flying at some poor sap (usually the Thing).

That being said...Stephen gets all the hotties. Most recently, the Night Nurse.

[D00MTR0N]

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Darth Vader is definitely not an anti-hero. He murdered the clan of Tusken Raiders that killed his mom, purely out of anger and vengeance. He almost committed genocide of the Jedi Order (and probably would have, if not for his son). He killed children. He tortured and killed thousands of others. And countless other acts of an evil person. And the one and only reason he turned on Palpatine was to save his son, not return his mother back from the dead or even atone for his prior acts.

he killed the tusken raiders because they killed his mother,he avenged her death,the same thing your "hero's" do,they avenge,now I know they do not kill but we are talking about Vader,but how can you sit there and say he did not turn on palpatine to atone for what he did?luke saw the conflict and Vader did as well in the end,that conflict was remorse for what he did because he felt something,compassion,I am sure he turned on palpatine for more then just luke,palpatine twisted a young mans mind,he used Vaders anger issues and rage over...yep you guessed it his mothers death,and the fact he could not save her against him,anakin became Vader so he could save padme and his child,all he did was in his mind for her,out of love,though it is at that point a twisted viewpoint it was still out of caring for her,he was confused and lied to,his weaknesses were exploited by the epidimy of evil,palpatine,but in the end everything that drove anakin/Vader were drivin out of pain and a twisted viewpoint of love for padme and his mother,oh and it has been studied in psychological circles that his character indeed suffered from borderline personality disorder,I know its just a fictional character but anakin/Vader has had such an impact on our pop culture that they actually studied his actions,emotions and feelings throughout the saga and came up with this:
Darth Vader's Psyche: What Went Wrong? - CBS News
and there ar many other studies done on him as well.

[behindthemask]

If you wanted a good comparison you should of maybe used either madem webb, the beyonder or the Mandarin in place of Doom, all 3 can do some crazyness beyond Doom .

[Fortune]

Im a huge doom fanboy but I must Dr strange wins. Also I must say both Doom and Vader are by all defanitions crazed Villians. Doom may be one of (if not THE) greatest mind in Marvel but hes also delusional, obsesses, paranoid, & egomaniacal. Not saying all of this is his fault but its still pretty much the defenition of crazy. He also is an opressive dictator and I refuse to believe this is all for his mother. If it was hed spend all his time training for his upcoming yearly battle not wasting time trying to beat richards.

[D00MTR0N]

@trebleshot,I will say I was off by calling Vader an anti hero,bad choice of wording by me on that one.

@furtune,so someone with mental problems is automatically a villian?

[Fortune]

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@trebleshot,I will say I was off by calling Vader an anti hero,bad choice of wording by me on that one.

@furtune,so someone with mental problems is automatically a villian?

No but it does make him crazy. On the same note having mental problems doesnt completly absolve him either nor does it make him an anti hero just cuz he may or may not have an excuse.

[KingLouie731]

Doom is by far my favorite villian. He can tango with heroes on any level, be it street level, like Spiderman, or Cosmic like Surfer and everywhere in between. However in any Doom vs Superhero fight, 9 out of 10 times I'm going with the Hero because that is they way comics are supposed to be written, imho.

As far as Doom goes the only anti hero versions of the character that exist in my mind would be maybe Kristoff or the 2099 doom. I don't believe anyone is trying to connect the dots you are insisting they are regarding mental illness. Given the story where we are supposed to sympathise with Doom, I do, otherwise I view him in light of the fact that he constantly wants to conquer the world regardless of his reasons.

[Tiberius]

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@trebleshot,I will say I was off by calling Vader an anti hero,bad choice of wording by me on that one.

@furtune,so someone with mental problems is automatically a villian?

Most of the time, unless you are Moon Knight, he is just to cool.

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Doom is by far my favorite villian. He can tango with heroes on any level, be it street level, like Spiderman, or Cosmic like Surfer and everywhere in between. However in any Doom vs Superhero fight, 9 out of 10 times I'm going with the Hero because that is they way comics are supposed to be written, imho.

As far as Doom goes the only anti hero versions of the character that exist in my mind would be maybe Kristoff or the 2099 doom. I don't believe anyone is trying to connect the dots you are insisting they are regarding mental illness. Given the story where we are supposed to sympathise with Doom, I do, otherwise I view him in light of the fact that he constantly wants to conquer the world regardless of his reasons.

I view him as more of a pure villain, that lives by a code of his own. That code has some honor in it that makes us see him as a better person, although he isn't. In conclusion he is no anti-hero like Deadpool, Wolverine, Punisher just to name a few...

[KingLouie731]

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Most of the time, unless you are Moon Knight, he is just to cool.



I view him as more of a pure villain, that lives by a code of his own. That code has some honor in it that makes us see him as a better person, although he isn't. In conclusion he is no anti-hero like Deadpool, Wolverine, Punisher just to name a few...

Agreed His personal code is what sets him apart from traditional 'bad guys'