[IhsantheCursed]

This evening me and Jennifer went to see the remake of the movie "Footloose" (not my kinda movie but shes been really wanting to see it). I gotta say I was pretty disappointed. While the overall story remained fairly the same as the original, much disturbed me. Since when did they "booty-dance" and "grind" in this story? The main female kid, who was portrayed as a well-intentioned yet misplaced youth (the daughter of the town Preacher), also claimed to not wish to disrespect her father , (or any of his wishes), yet the entire movie was full of her constantly doing just that. She walked around in very revealing clothing, useing inappropriate language, and haveing sex with various misfits. This , while spoken of as a remake, was indeed just that. Accept I say it was more of a Babylonian overhaul of what was once innocent Kevin Bacon fun.

You see this show just reminded me really of how much stuff has truly changed just from when I was growing up. They never would have come out with most of the music they have on the airwaves today, used the same language on public television, or for that matter, showed what they show. For further example: On one Disney channel show I heard that they portrayed two women kissing one another...in a romantic way. This , imo, is absolutly unacceptable for young children to veiw. Any one remember when the Disney channel had stuff like the Mickey Mouse club, or even Tailspin? Would they have tolerated that back then?

Furthermore spiritual matters (not necessarily religious ones either) are all but forgotten in most homes even down here in the deep south (aka "The Bible belt"). Parents are more content to allow their children to be raised by the T.V. itself than spending any quality time as a family. Simply put: Families dont eat together anymore. I just think things are getting entirely out of hand. Society as a whole that is.

Sad.

[bmorr]

All i can see from your post is an old man waving a cane angrily at children from your porch. "kids these days!"

[IhsantheCursed]

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All i can see from your post is an old man waving a cane angrily at children from your porch. "kids these days!"

lol...prehaps. But a sad old man.

[omega145]

This footloose remake looked ridiculous from the preview, not sure what you expected.

About this morality you speak of, its easy for one generation to call out another generation on how disrespectful they are or how they are all degenerates. I don't necessarily agree with the trash music playing on the radio now a days or the overuse of sex and drugs in comics, radio and tv but this is where parents need to be parents once again. Teach and steer your children in the right direction and in most cases, your kids will grow up to be respectful adults. There's always been terrible and lazy parenting in each generation causing degenerates.

[Saint Phe]

This is the exact same thing every generation has said about the next since probably the dawn of human civilization. It was certainly a dominant theme throughout the 20th century. Short dresses and drunk women in the 20's! Decaying morality! Violence in comic books in the 50's! Decaying morality! Rock music and free love in the 60's! Decaying morality! Gratuitous nudity and sex in movies in the 70's! Decaying morality! Rampant greed and cocaine use in the 80's! Decaying morality! But society doesn't collapse and the world keeps on turning.

[CLASSIFIED]

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Originally Posted by omega145

This footloose remake looked ridiculous from the preview, not sure what you expected.

About this morality you speak of, its easy for one generation to call out another generation on how disrespectful they are or how they are all degenerates. I don't necessarily agree with the trash music playing on the radio now a days or the overuse of sex and drugs in comics, radio and tv but this is where parents need to be parents once again. Teach and steer your children in the right direction and in most cases, your kids will grow up to be respectful adults. There's always been terrible and lazy parenting in each generation causing degenerates.

I agree with Omega, but was afraid to post in this thread because I don't see it continuing without degenerating into a forbidden topic that isn't allowed to be discussed on this forum.

[omega145]

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I agree with Omega, but was afraid to post in this thread because I don't see it continuing without degenerating into a forbidden topic that isn't allowed to be discussed on this forum.

Haha, I had thought about that as well. As long as everyone is respectful in their opinions then the thread should be fine. Also keep religion out of the thread or else that'll be a quick end of thread.

[CLASSIFIED]

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Haha, I had thought about that as well. As long as everyone is respectful in their opinions then the thread should be fine. Also keep religion out of the thread or else that'll be a quick end of thread.

I could see it going political too!

[KingLouie731]

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Originally Posted by omega145

This footloose remake looked ridiculous from the preview, not sure what you expected.

About this morality you speak of, its easy for one generation to call out another generation on how disrespectful they are or how they are all degenerates. I don't necessarily agree with the trash music playing on the radio now a days or the overuse of sex and drugs in comics, radio and tv but this is where parents need to be parents once again. Teach and steer your children in the right direction and in most cases, your kids will grow up to be respectful adults. There's always been terrible and lazy parenting in each generation causing degenerates.

I'd try to say something worthwhile but it would fall short of the wisdom already conveyed. thanks for this Omega

[behindthemask]

Ok for starters I haven't seen the new adaptation of Footloose but it wasn't meant to be a complete remake it was suppose to be an adaptation to the original movie but "modernizing it" by adding new music and dances etc etc, it's trying to target a young audience as well as the older audience who grew up watching the original. In conclusion it's a chick film nobody cares lol. This is not like they remade scarface!

As per the Disney thing ... the 2 girls kissing do you remember what show it was and what episode lol I got a dvr. hahaha. But in all seriousness, as a person who doesn't have children but someday may, I believe good parenting is knowing what the program is before you allow your children to view it. Growing up my dad had a movie system any movie beyond pg 13 had a red sticker on them, so this ristricted me to wholesome stuff as a kid, as I grew up the stickers came off and my movie tollerance grew. You can't limit your children to view something because sooner or later they're going to see it at a friend's house or hear about it from someone at school, the best thing you can do is get them to ask questions and answer them before curiosity or confusion runs out of control. That's why schools have sex-ed earlier in school now then ever, because we're getting grade 7 babies and shit needs to stop. Just because we're the technology era doesn't mean we also have to be entitled the dumbest, laziest, rudest era either, kids have no respect because their parents don't show them what it means, setting boundaries, being there to answer questions, showing discipline when needed, all kids, hell everybody needs some type of support/structure system. just my 2 cents.

[tlasjr]

I agree the new movie doesn't hold up to the high standards of the eighties version with it's morally upstanding songs such as dancing in the sheets, the girl gets around, huirts so good.

And TV! It's very inappropriate for them to see two girls acting romantically. The should be watching my two dads, or Batman.

The truth of the matter is that the world hasn't changed that much, you have. You know more, are more aware of whatwhere to look to see whats wrong, you already have a formed opinion of where the line is.

It's the true meaning of the old cliche ognorance is bliss.

[KingLouie731]

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It's the true meaning of the old cliche ognorance is bliss.

and here I thought it was delicious candy treat

[RexLewis85]

In the words of The Scarecrow in Batman Begins "You strike me as a man that takes himself too seriously...you want my advice? LIGHTEN UP!"

[CLASSIFIED]

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The truth of the matter is that the world hasn't changed that much, you have.

This is what I tell myself when I start feeling like the OP does.

Kids today, and all.

[Jason Abbadon]

It's not a decay in anyting- only a shift in priorities.
People looove to wax on about "how it was back then" but they always gloss over how super crappy it was too- sure, people ate together, attended church together and played outside...but racism was rampant, women were limited in both rights and equality...you name it.

And stuff like violence and abuse is not more common today either- only more widely reported.

[Crazy Jetty]

I personally kinda feel the "Two women kissing" complaint is a bit of a rediculous stretch. I personally have absolutely no problem with letting my kids (Had I any) see same sex couples in love (Kissing, holding hands, behaving like a normal couple). Or even mild, non-sexualized nudiity.
I do have horrible issues with all the extreme violence and language that's so rampant and easily accessible.
I have more issues with portraying women as sluts and whores.
What bothers me about the morality is it's considered just fine and acceptible for kids to see someone get decapitated, or let them rip a woman in half in a videogame... but god forbid they see a bare breast, or two dudes or girls in a loving and positive relationship... that shit'll mess them up for life.

I have a theory that a lot of people have problems with what their kids see if they have to bother to explain anything (Such as homosexuality or human anatomy), over stuff that's more self explanitory, like violence.
While this definately does not describe every parent, around me more people seem to want to sit their kids in front of TV and be done with it until bedtime.

Of course, this does not say that a kid will grow up messed up watching TV. I grew up on it. It didn't make me braindead at all (In fact, I think it encouraged my imagination). But I do wish my father had bothered to spend any time at all with me, instead of making me go watch TV in my room so he could watch what he wanted in the livingroom.

Just my opinions.

[thechris]

Hmmm yeah, I don't think that this moral decay is anything fresh and new. Actually, I don't think moral decay is quite what it is. I think that society is just less shy or ashamed of certain things that it once was. Oh and omega is correct, this really is down to parenting. It's also down to what a parent wishes to pass down to their children. Kids will often emulate their parents, this much is true. I think that it's just more in your face now than it was in the past. For example, I had a friend whose dad used to encourage him to do pot, drink and bully in order to fit in with the popular kids at school. Some people might look at this as abuse. Some people might not think anything of it.

I grew up in the Mickey Mouse Club era and GI Joe and "Winners Don't Use Drugs" on the arcade machine FBI warnings and so did he. This didn't save him from making "poor" choices. His father certainly didn't save him from making these choices. In fact, it was encouraged. This stuff has always been around but ignored or when you saw it portrayed in film, it was villified (perhaps rightly so) and as such, people were doing it in secret. Now it's commented on more in more of a "So what do you think?" sort of way and people are doing it more openly. For example, the dad who used to give his son a few underaged beer to "make him a man" in private would now do it openly and even tell other parents about it. People who do recreational drugs share this fact with others. Heck, this forum has been an open mic for that. I don't really know what to make of this stuff but I know that I was raised a certain way but I certainly couldn't be sheltered from everything.

I made generally positive choices (in my mind) and to this day, I haven't tried any recreational drugs, I don't drink often, I don't smoke, yadda-yadda, but then this was my choice. I could've just as easily have done drugs, become an alcoholic, objectified and abused women, etc. In general, my parents told me that stuff wasn't good for me and I decided not to do it. While I was growing up, a lot of kids smoked, I'm pretty sure if they offered it to me and my own dad told me that it was okay to do it and it would make me cool, I probably would've done it. On a funny twist, my dad did smoke and I hated it and that probably attributed to me not smoking as well.

Wow, okay, that was too much ranting there. Read only if interested. The main point is that if it's out there and running rampant and you tell your kids that they probably shouldn't do it, they may or may not listen to you. However, if it's running rampant out there and you tell your kids that it's cool to do it or not give them any direction, they'll more than likely do it. It's up to you to teach your kids what's right and what's wrong. Just make sure that you can look yourself in the mirror after and that you're not just saying something is okay to justify your own poor habits as "misunderstood".

[IhsantheCursed]

Well its cool to read yalls opinions on this. I disagree with the majority of them, and could easily shoot down a few that Ive read lol, but really dont feel like it currently. Reguardless I must respect all of your opinions, its always good to see it from different points of veiw, and thank everyone for commenting here about this issue so far.

[RexLewis85]

I see nothing wrong with violence in media...I was watching things like Nightmare on elm street, Friday the 13th and Halloween when I was 5 years old and I turned out okay. See what these upstanding citizens fail to mention when they go shooting down violence in the media is this: The bible, the arguably one of the most sacred books to man, has TONS of violent acts in it. But I guarantee if you bring that up to some of these bleeding hearts they would say something asinine like "Well that's different" How? How is it different? NERVOUS???

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

I have a theory that a lot of people have problems with what their kids see if they have to bother to explain anything (Such as homosexuality or human anatomy), over stuff that's more self explanitory, like violence.
While this definately does not describe every parent, around me more people seem to want to sit their kids in front of TV and be done with it until bedtime.

Of course, this does not say that a kid will grow up messed up watching TV. I grew up on it. It didn't make me braindead at all (In fact, I think it encouraged my imagination). But I do wish my father had bothered to spend any time at all with me, instead of making me go watch TV in my room so he could watch what he wanted in the livingroom.

Just my opinions.

Yeah I have to think that at some point, we have to accept that a lot of choices are our own. For example, your father sent you off to watch TV in your own room but that didn't make you lash out on society and smash someone's windshield. The same thing could cause someone else to freak out and kill a cat. Obviously good parenting would typically have a positive effect on someone but it isn't always the case but I think of those situations as anomalies. I mean in the case where a parent raises a child to the best of his or her ability and he/she winds up a bad egg, what more can that parent have done then? Some people are just evil.

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I see nothing wrong with violence in media...I was watching things like Nightmare on elm street, Friday the 13th and Halloween when I was 5 years old and I turned out okay. See what these upstanding citizens fail to mention when they go shooting down violence in the media is this: The bible, the arguably one of the most sacred books to man, has TONS of violent acts in it. But I guarantee if you bring that up to some of these bleeding hearts they would say something asinine like "Well that's different" How? How is it different? NERVOUS???

You'd have to assume that the "upstanding citizen" is also a Christian which isn't always the case. It's over generalization of a specific group of people. I think, though, in partial defense of those who are Christians, they're also assuming that whatever is written in that book is true and has happened and so, at least to a Christian, it's more like a history of creation. You really can't compare that with something generally accepted as work of fiction whose main purpose is to freak you out with something disgusting, violent or perverse. It's the same thing that someone who is complaining about the violence in media is doing, is it not? They're making the assumption that violent images would cause people to act out in a violent way when in reality, only a percentage of people would be affected in such a way and a percentage of these people already have a predisposition to doing such acts.

It's hard to know, though, isn't it? What will and what will not cause somebody to go over the deep end? For example, loving and nurturing a child is generally positive and well received, however, there's always deviants. There's always going to be a kid who "won't work that way" and that kid will hate his parents for loving him so much, consider it smothering, flip out, kill somebody. However, you aren't going to not buy a new car and just walk for the rest of your life just because at least one of the cars at the dealership might break down after 1000 miles and you're not going to treat your kids like crap just because you might have THAT kid who might start drowning puppies because your family was too perfect.

In life, just use your common sense and hope for the best.

[RexLewis85]

Yes sir, you are quite correct...it really all depends on the individuals...it's like these kids that shoot up schools...alot of blame gets laid on violence in movies and video games as well as dark themes in certain music(poor Marilyn Manson). Lots of people are exposed to these very same things, and end up living very normal, productive lives. But there's always that one poor misguided kid out there who's going to take it to heart, and it's in these individuals where the line between fantasy and reality begin to blur. More often than not kids such as this have pre-existing disorders such as schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder(I suffer from this one myself, but it's not extreme and I am medicated), psychosis, and major depressive disorder. When there are kids like this, it really is up to the parents to step in and say, "Okay we know our kid is sensitive to things like this, maybe it's not such a good idea that they listen, watch, or play this" My main point is people who are so against things like violence, sensuality, and vulgarity in movies, music and games seem to think that it's going to affect everyone that way, and that's just not the case. I'm tired of people thinking they know what's good for everyone else. When people think they know all the answers...I change the questions. That's what I do. I shake shit up.

[thechris]

I mean at the same time, I don't believe that everything should be just out there so people can happen upon it by accident. I mean, logic would dictate that I shouldn't expect to see somebody performing an indecent act on or graphically murdering somebody else on the Disney channel and there's common sense that would say that I wouldn't leave a 4 year old in a room watching Debbie Does Dallas and House of 1000 Corpses. Everyone will have a line that they feel would be unacceptable if crossed. That being said, those rated programs can play at the theatres and on special channels all they want. If it exceeds my lines, I just won't watch them.

[RexLewis85]

Lord, Lord, Lord...I'm too drunk to be discussing this atm lol I do agree with you TheChris, I won't let my 2 year old sit with me when I'm watching slasher flicks...I'm sort of worried when she comes into my room and sees all my horror figures...she talks about how scary they are...it worries me. You don't think something like that could traumatize a child do you? I mean I explain to her that none of it's real and that daddy's just playing with toys like she does, except daddy's toys are for big kids lol Regardless I suppose that is a bit off topic but I would like some opinions on it. I'm thinking about getting a better lock for my door in hopes that she won't see that stuff anymore.

[IhsantheCursed]

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Originally Posted by RexLewis85

Lord, Lord, Lord...I'm too drunk to be discussing this atm lol I do agree with you TheChris, I won't let my 2 year old sit with me when I'm watching slasher flicks...I'm sort of worried when she comes into my room and sees all my horror figures...she talks about how scary they are...it worries me. You don't think something like that could traumatize a child do you? I mean I explain to her that none of it's real and that daddy's just playing with toys like she does, except daddy's toys are for big kids lol Regardless I suppose that is a bit off topic but I would like some opinions on it. I'm thinking about getting a better lock for my door in hopes that she won't see that stuff anymore.

Get the lock or toss the figures. Imo that stuff can really scare, and scar, a child's mind.

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by RexLewis85

Lord, Lord, Lord...I'm too drunk to be discussing this atm lol I do agree with you TheChris, I won't let my 2 year old sit with me when I'm watching slasher flicks...I'm sort of worried when she comes into my room and sees all my horror figures...she talks about how scary they are...it worries me. You don't think something like that could traumatize a child do you? I mean I explain to her that none of it's real and that daddy's just playing with toys like she does, except daddy's toys are for big kids lol Regardless I suppose that is a bit off topic but I would like some opinions on it. I'm thinking about getting a better lock for my door in hopes that she won't see that stuff anymore.

I don't think so. I've seen a lot of things that scared the heck out of me but didn't cause me to turn into a crazy killer who mutilates hamsters. This is more like a reflection of my immaturity than anything else but I used to be absolutely FRIGHTENED by guys with make up so 1980s musicians, the Joker, clowns, etc. scared the heck out of me. This stuff was always going to be around and I couldn't be shielded from it all the time and I'm fine. If it scares her, she'll avoid it until it stops scaring her. Just do your best not to expose her to it because that'd be just cruel on your part and just don't expect her to come in to say hello to daddy too often.