[tlasjr]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

Yeah, the packaging says "adult collector," but it seems Mattel's attitude is that the Harley Quinn figure will not be as desirable because boys don't buy female figures as much, so they cut costs by sacrificing articulation. If they really were selling to the adult collector, that strategy would not be there.

If they were really aiming at the "adult" collector 4 of out of 5 waves of figures wouldn't be based on a video game.

[Kernel]

I would not consider any of the Arkham games children's games. I know lots of kids play them but the language is not for kids, they are violent, and you are doing things like investigating homicides and crime scenes. I'm sure lots of kids play them, but a lot of adults play video games too. It really is too bad they took out the articulation on harley, but hopefully she still has some good poses and maybe she can hold that mallet better (very important in Assault on Arkham),

[Ravenxl7]

The games are definitely adult oriented. What I see as the problem, is this line being mDe up of almost entirely Arkham-based figures. Though it really doesn't help that the game that was originally supposed to be out now was delayed till next June.

[redx24]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

Yeah, the packaging says "adult collector," but it seems Mattel's attitude is that the Harley Quinn figure will not be as desirable because boys don't buy female figures as much, so they cut costs by sacrificing articulation. If they really were selling to the adult collector, that strategy would not be there.

Lol I think I've always hunted "girl" figures. Not cause I'm so freak that is all Pervy for a plastic toy but its more "realistic" to have men and women in a setup. The whole boys don't want girl action figures had to made by some super homophobic dude that didn't care to find out why his son had a chick in his toy box and freaked out and toy company's used it as an on going excuse to screw people that were opened minded enough to understand that there at least 2 sexes in our world. Just my personal thought on the matter.

[Ninjinister]

Unless I actually dislike the character in question, I tend to snap up female and "other race" characters (as well as alien/monster/animal/anthro/mutant) when I can to keep my collection from looking like a monochromatic sausagefest.

[thewriteguy]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

I would not consider any of the Arkham games children's games. I know lots of kids play them but the language is not for kids, they are violent, and you are doing things like investigating homicides and crime scenes. I'm sure lots of kids play them, but a lot of adults play video games too. It really is too bad they took out the articulation on harley, but hopefully she still has some good poses and maybe she can hold that mallet better (very important in Assault on Arkham),

Arkham Knight is certainly not for little kids nor is it marketed to children. I find it surprising that even still that the public doesn't "get" that most video games are in fact made for and marketed to adults.


This threatens to veer off toward another discussion, but I have noticed that "action figures" in general do not appeal to children these days anyway. This explains why Hasbro has been moving toward action figures that do not have many points of articulation -- going back to the era of the 1977 Star Wars action figures. Hasbro is trying to appeal to children and their budget-conscious parents. And it also explains the success of "interactive action figures" like the Skylanders series, which the kids love, but why the ReAction product line and crowd-sourced retro-style action figure prodcuts have been finding appeal among adult collectors. Bottom line: actual children today are just not into "basic" action figure toys.

In fact, I would argue that the interest in retro-style and collectible action figures is similar to that of interest in vinyl records.

[thewriteguy]

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Originally Posted by redx24

Lol I think I've always hunted "girl" figures. Not cause I'm so freak that is all Pervy for a plastic toy but its more "realistic" to have men and women in a setup. The whole boys don't want girl action figures had to made by some super homophobic dude that didn't care to find out why his son had a chick in his toy box and freaked out and toy company's used it as an on going excuse to screw people that were opened minded enough to understand that there at least 2 sexes in our world. Just my personal thought on the matter.

I agree. There's nothing "wrong" or "weird" about seeking out and collecting the women action figures, even if you are an older man. For one, they are rare and thus already have collect-ability value to them. But the toy makers often do a lousy job of making them. Many of them do not look good... it really appears as if the sculptors have been ordered not to make them look too attractive, whether in terms of sexual appeal or in just a general "cool" appearance.

I am not sure where this reluctance from the toy makers comes from when it comes to making woman action figures. I really do not think that little boys have a problem with them -- I've noticed from younger relatives that they really do want them, because they think they are cool, too (especially if it's a character like Harley or Catwoman). They want them because Batman needs to have Catwoman or Batgirl around to have adventures with, too.

I think the toy makers are either scared of being accused of making sexual toys for little boys, or they themselves (Hasbro and Mattel) are still led by very conservative-minded, repressed old men, who find the idea of "tiny girl dolls" being played with by little boys to be unsettling and improper. Sorry for being blunt but this has been on my mind for several years in regards to the major action figure makers. Remember: Barbie was originally created as a sex doll toy given as a gag at bachelor parties before it was re-marketed as a more "proper" toy for little girls. I bet a lot of old men running Hasbro and Mattel came from that era still.

[vindowviper]

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Originally Posted by thewriteguy

I agree. There's nothing "wrong" or "weird" about seeking out and collecting the women action figures, even if you are an older man. For one, they are rare and thus already have collect-ability value to them. But the toy makers often do a lousy job of making them. Many of them do not look good... it really appears as if the sculptors have been ordered not to make them look too attractive, whether in terms of sexual appeal or in just a general "cool" appearance.

I am not sure where this reluctance from the toy makers comes from when it comes to making woman action figures. I really do not think that little boys have a problem with them -- I've noticed from younger relatives that they really do want them, because they think they are cool, too (especially if it's a character like Harley or Catwoman). They want them because Batman needs to have Catwoman or Batgirl around to have adventures with, too.

I think the toy makers are either scared of being accused of making sexual toys for little boys, or they themselves (Hasbro and Mattel) are still led by very conservative-minded, repressed old men, who find the idea of "tiny girl dolls" being played with by little boys to be unsettling and improper. Sorry for being blunt but this has been on my mind for several years in regards to the major action figure makers. Remember: Barbie was originally created as a sex doll toy given as a gag at bachelor parties before it was re-marketed as a more "proper" toy for little girls. I bet a lot of old men running Hasbro and Mattel came from that era still.

As far as marketing geared toward young boys, I can understand the perspective of limiting female characters. If my son is invited to a birthday party and he wants to get his male friend an action figure, to play it safe I am going to buy the male action figure. The same goes for Christmas gifts. Unless the female figure is specifically requested, I am more likely to buy the male action figure. While this isn't always the situation, a good number of toys are purchased as gifts, so that mindset definitely carries some weight, regardless of fairness or political correctness. As for me, I enjoy playing with female characters, especially when my daughters want to dress them up in doll clothes and accessorize. Though I will probably play with just about any toy my kids want to play with. They just need to keep their mitts off my fragile Terrordrome when I'm not home.

[tlasjr]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

I would not consider any of the Arkham games children's games. I know lots of kids play them but the language is not for kids, they are violent, and you are doing things like investigating homicides and crime scenes. I'm sure lots of kids play them, but a lot of adults play video games too. It really is too bad they took out the articulation on harley, but hopefully she still has some good poses and maybe she can hold that mallet better (very important in Assault on Arkham),

I think there is a difference between what you mean by adult and what I do.
Yes the majority of people playing Arkham are over 18. 70% are also men under 30.
Are they kids games? No. By the same token the purge anarchy and gone girl are not for kids either, but if you asked me which movie was targeted to an adult audience its an easy answer.
And by biological definition "adult" means after the start of puberty. Legally...wow are there wild differences in the standard.

I have a bad feeling that Mattel is using tv style demographics. 18-49.

[vindowviper]

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Originally Posted by tlasjr

I think there is a difference between what you mean by adult and what I do.
Yes the majority of people playing Arkham are over 18. 70% are also men under 30.
Are they kids games? No. By the same token the purge anarchy and gone girl are not for kids either, but if you asked me which movie was targeted to an adult audience its an easy answer.
And by biological definition "adult" means after the start of puberty. Legally...wow are there wild differences in the standard.

I have a bad feeling that Mattel is using tv style demographics. 18-49.

This is just my opinion, but I would venture to say most (maybe 60%) Batman or DC Comics figure collectors who are adults are also interested in the current Batman stories being told through video games a well as cartoons and movies, and not limiting their preferences to past media. The ages of those of us in this forum and our preference for Arkham style figures would shed some light on the subject. I am 36, and I like the Arkham Batman figures.

[vindowviper]

Got Joker in the mail today. Not really sure if I even want to open him...


Looks more like a goth lesbian to me. What's the consensus, folks?

[vindowviper]

Also, for those interested is a shot of the grapple gun with 20% increase in size in clear frost ultra detail, before I paint it.

[uberlad]

I like the Arkham toys, but would much rather see a 4 inch comic line, super friends, or even a batman '66 line instead. I personally tend to lean towards more classic, idealized versions as opposed to the specific video game visions of characters. DC as a whole only seems to want to give respectable action figures to Injustice or the Arkham games. Meanwhile, my only hope for a decent comic-style Wonder Woman is to hold out for a Linda Carter version.

[redx24]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

Got Joker in the mail today. Not really sure if I even want to open him...


Looks more like a goth lesbian to me. What's the consensus, folks?

Would look worlds better with the giant smile like the card art.

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

Got Joker in the mail today. Not really sure if I even want to open him...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/j5...w287-h162-p-no
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Zh...w287-h162-p-no
Looks more like a goth lesbian to me. What's the consensus, folks?

It's been a while since I looked at the SDCC pictures, but isn't he supposed to have that white shirt sculpted on?

Also, who all is shown on te back of the card?

[snake5289]

He looks like he's rocking a bare chest and sporting face paint. Guess it's a good thing I was going to paint that a different color anyway.

[vindowviper]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

It's been a while since I looked at the SDCC pictures, but isn't he supposed to have that white shirt sculpted on?

Also, who all is shown on te back of the card?

It is sculpted on, just not very well. The collar is pretty tight around the neck, and the shirt is too dark. Black Mask, Harley, and Origins Batman are on the back of the card.

[Poison Shadow]

Yeah, suddenly I'm not regretting choosing the Injustice Joker over Mattel's AO version. Although I suppose I'll still end up with one whenever the Date Night pack is released.

[collectvintage]

tried to let my brother play the arkham games, first major scene two-face if i recall calls a chest-baring catwoman a bitch.... definitely oriented towards older teens and young adults

[Specter]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

Got Joker in the mail today. Not really sure if I even want to open him...


Looks more like a goth lesbian to me. What's the consensus, folks?

Holy crap Mattel gave us a figure of Prince Poppycock from America's Got Talent?!
I knew he deserved to win.

[tlasjr]

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Originally Posted by vindowviper

This is just my opinion, but I would venture to say most (maybe 60%) Batman or DC Comics figure collectors who are adults are also interested in the current Batman stories being told through video games a well as cartoons and movies, and not limiting their preferences to past media. The ages of those of us in this forum and our preference for Arkham style figures would shed some light on the subject. I am 36, and I like the Arkham Batman figures.

I'm 44 and have played the Arkham games. Hoping Knight comes out before I hit 45 and have to quit. I do think that the 60% percent estimate is way too high. 2.5 million people played Arkham Assylum. 25 million bought Dark Knight on disc and that audience skewed slightly older.
I also disagree that an entire generation Ddefines Batman from the games. That means as kids they missed Justice Leauge, The animated series, The brave and the bold, the Nolan trilogy, etc. If the games were the Reason Batman was so popular then Call of Duty would be a more well know property at this point.
And don't get me wrong, I love the fact they're doing Arkham figures but after four out of five waves call it Arkhamverse and drop the charade.
The theory is that the entire DC universe is open right? So why then do they have to do Batman Beyond and Batman 66 as alternate Arkham costumes? Why aren't we getting a 66 or BB wave?
4.8 million people watched the debut of the flash? I get the theory that they want to promote the game. Why? Why promote the games produced and sold by someone else when you could promote the tv shows produced and aired by your parent company?

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by tlasjr

I'm 44 and have played the Arkham games. Hoping Knight comes out before I hit 45 and have to quit. I do think that the 60% percent estimate is way too high. 2.5 million people played Arkham Assylum. 25 million bought Dark Knight on disc and that audience skewed slightly older.
I also disagree that an entire generation Ddefines Batman from the games. That means as kids they missed Justice Leauge, The animated series, The brave and the bold, the Nolan trilogy, etc. If the games were the Reason Batman was so popular then Call of Duty would be a more well know property at this point.
And don't get me wrong, I love the fact they're doing Arkham figures but after four out of five waves call it Arkhamverse and drop the charade.
The theory is that the entire DC universe is open right? So why then do they have to do Batman Beyond and Batman 66 as alternate Arkham costumes? Why aren't we getting a 66 or BB wave?
4.8 million people watched the debut of the flash? I get the theory that they want to promote the game. Why? Why promote the games produced and sold by someone else when you could promote the tv shows produced and aired by your parent company?

Maybe Mattel is that much of a fan of the games over the other stuff.
Also, Mattel isn't owned by WB.

[snake5289]

If you changed the head would the Total Heroes Lex Luthor work with a 3.75 Superman?

[redx24]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

If you changed the head would the Total Heroes Lex Luthor work with a 3.75 Superman?

Isn't that body and head too large??

[snake5289]

The head yes but if the body works I can swap the head out. And I've always preferred Lex's battlesuit to be bigger than just a guy in a Kryptonite Iron Man suit. More like he was in Injustice.

Basically trying to find something that will fit in with Injustice Superman but I won't have to paint. There are tons of figures like the IM2 Hulkbuster or comic and/or movie Iron Monger that would be perfect but they'd be a bitch and a half to paint.