[jwyss234]

@Skoob
Well said.

When I first read the update from kastorskorner, I really didn't believe it that it was 100% accurate since Toyark, Fwoosh, and ToyNewsI never said anything remotely close to this in their updates or interviews from NYTF. But it does make sense if you go back and look at the SDCC galleries and see that most of the stuff shown at NYTF 2016 was missing from the display case at SDCC 2016. Skoob is right, DCC needs to have some focus. Only producing lines for DC Icons, DCAU, and DCTV (you be the judge for Bombshells) is better than producing these lines plus the 7" New 52 figures, the New 52 animated movie figures, Designer Series figures from several artists, DC Movies, Arkham video games, and re-releasing DC Direct figures with new paint jobs. I also think it was smart to focus on DC Rebirth instead of the New 52 designs since Rebirth is current and seems to be more popular than the New 52.

It sucks that we won't get anymore single figures but if DCC keeps the two packs and multipacks themed so that characters who normally hang out together in the comics are packaged together, then it won't be so bad. And some of those canceled figures like Deathstroke and Catwoman could show up in multipacks themed after Teen Titans and Batman villains. I also don't think that the Iconic Moments sets will completely take over the Icons line. Moments like Bane breaking Batman's back and Batman carrying Jason Todd's dead body seem obvious but what else would they do? Speedy shooting up in front of GA and GL? Doubt it. Although I would totally buy a pack of Clark Kent dashing into a phone booth, changing into his costume, and flying out as Superman.

[lordbest]

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Originally Posted by Skoob

I commented that the decision to abort an entire mature product line couldn't have been made lightly, as it reflects negatively and might indicate friction within the organization. When stuff like this happens, it makes customers nervous; nervous customers are hesitant shoppers. Hopefully, the matter is unique, contained and resolved, but...?

For my part, I agree with the decision, as some of the kiboshed items begged for revision. But I'm puzzled by some of the stuff that's green-lighted as well. Where is the old boutique standard? Where is the market focus?

Given the falling viewership, the preponderance of TV figures seems to carry more than a little risk.

DC Collectibles has been a mainstay for me. I hope all will be well.

I'm not disagreeing, but as far as we know they aren't aborting the line, they are changing its focus to themed sets and multi-packs, which isn't necessarily the worst thing ever and doesn't remove the possibility of getting more single figures in the future if sales improve.

I'm a big Icons fan but the line has had some questionable decisions, particularly around character choice. No Wonder Woman for nearly two years into the line and some really weird d listers instead of major characters that would have sold more figures were a big factor for me. I've bought slightly less than half all the Icons figures, fewer from the opening waves than later, because characters like Deadman didn't interest me at all, and Mr Miracle is nothing without Barda.

I'm down with the idea of thematic multi-packs, so long as there is a good variety and a decent gender ratio. If we just get Superman + Whatsisname, Superman + Luthor, Superman + etc. Batman + Joker, Batman + Bane, Batman + etc. then that would be hugely disappointing.

But some interesting stuff like Batwoman + Maggie Sawyer, Wonder Woman + Cheetah, Batman + Mr Freeze with Nora in a crytube and stuff like that then I'd continue to support this line.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

When I first read the update from kastorskorner, I really didn't believe it that it was 100% accurate since Toyark, Fwoosh, and ToyNewsI never said anything remotely close to this in their updates or interviews from NYTF.

Here's the thing, did anyone of them actually ask them about this though?

I can tell you one thing, neither Pixel Dan nor Shartimus Prime had the balls to ask why the other Icons weren't on display and what was going on with them during their interviews. It was total bs because you can't be a journalist if you aren't going to ask these questions.

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Moments like Bane breaking Batman's back and Batman carrying Jason Todd's dead body seem obvious but what else would they do? Speedy shooting up in front of GA and GL? Doubt it. Although I would totally buy a pack of Clark Kent dashing into a phone booth, changing into his costume, and flying out as Superman.

My problem with this is having battled damaged figures are worthless to me. I don't want a Robin toy with a torn up costume if I don't have a regular one. I don't want a broken, beaten up Batman in a costume with the yellow insignia if I don't have a non-damaged one.

It's just like I don't want shirtless Batman fighting shirtless Ra's from their showdown issue.

[lordbest]

They aren't journalists.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

My problem with this is having battled damaged figures are worthless to me. I don't want a Robin toy with a torn up costume if I don't have a regular one. I don't want a broken, beaten up Batman in a costume with the yellow insignia if I don't have a non-damaged one.

It's just like I don't want shirtless Batman fighting shirtless Ra's from their showdown issue.

I don't want figures with battle damage either. I was just making the point that I didn't see the Iconic Moments sets going beyond a few notable beat downs, comic book covers, and gimmicks.

[OGTrilogy]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Here's the thing, did anyone of them actually ask them about this though?

I can tell you one thing, neither Pixel Dan nor Shartimus Prime had the balls to ask why the other Icons weren't on display and what was going on with them during their interviews. It was total bs because you can't be a journalist if you aren't going to ask these questions.



My problem with this is having battled damaged figures are worthless to me. I don't want a Robin toy with a torn up costume if I don't have a regular one. I don't want a broken, beaten up Batman in a costume with the yellow insignia if I don't have a non-damaged one.

It's just like I don't want shirtless Batman fighting shirtless Ra's from their showdown issue.

I doubt it would happen, but I would love shirtless Batman and Ras with swords. It would be cool to have a Talia from that comic also and a tiny scorpion. That fight is what I think of when I think of Ras Al Ghul. It's something I would like to do for a custom project if I can find suitable base figures. However, I would rather see the Icons line continue with individually carded figures and have one-off multipacks 2 or 3 times a year to supplement the main line.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by lordbest

They aren't journalists.

They're interviewing for a website, they're journalists.

[lordbest]

THat's like saying if I change the spark plugs on my car I'm a mechanic.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

You are a mechanic!

[Skoob]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

@Skoob: Well said...

Thanks... I know I'm in good company here on the Ark.

I won't be indulging in multipacks, barring something absolutely WONDERFUL coming down the pike. When our friendly neighborhood Ark photographers post an image of something new that grabs me, I go shopping for That Particular Item. Furthermore, it should look better than the 1970s equivalent.

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I'm a big Icons fan but the line has had some questionable decisions, particularly around character choice.

With you on that. I know it doesn't help that I haven't followed recent developments in the comics: I tend to look for characters and designs that I know, but it seems clear lately that the push is on to generate new readership and attract interest in new stories and shows and designs.

[Harbinger]

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You are a mechanic!

In the same way betty white is moist.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by lordbest

THat's like saying if I change the spark plugs on my car I'm a mechanic.

Two different things though. You may do that occassionally, they do this all of the time. They also report toy news and do reviews. Plus, in order to attend conventions as Media/Press, you have to consider yourself a journalist. I would know as I have to do the same thing.

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

From the way they are talking, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Captain Marvel, Static Shock, Etrigan, WW (with the accessories), Cyborg (with accessories), Swamp Thing, Catwoman, Booster Gold, and Blue Beetle have all been canceled.

The worst part about the Iconic Moments stuff is that means we are going to have a lot of figures feature battle damage, which I personally hate if there isn't a regular version available.

That just pisses me off.... i really wanted a Demon figure and i wanted to get that classic deathstroke for my collection.... GRRRR

[TheWaker43q]

Wow, this is terrible news. I just bought the first two waves over the weekend and Darkeid is on the way. Was planning on getting every figure in this series and already have the Toy Fair announcements pre-ordered. And... Then I found this thread. So disappointed. I really happy seeing the Doomsday and Superman set, but as others have said, I don't see myself wanting to buy too many of these. Not to mention display space. I have no shelf room for too many background pieces. I also do not really care for battle damage. And while I am super excited about the Rebirth Justice League set, accessories are really key. Or at least giving them open hands so they can maybe hold other figure's accessories.

[Weapon X]

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Wow, this is terrible news. I just bought the first two waves over the weekend and Darkeid is on the way. Was planning on getting every figure in this series and already have the Toy Fair announcements pre-ordered. And... Then I found this thread. So disappointed. I really happy seeing the Doomsday and Superman set, but as others have said, I don't see myself wanting to buy too many of these. Not to mention display space. I have no shelf room for too many background pieces. I also do not really care for battle damage. And while I am super excited about the Rebirth Justice League set, accessories are really key. Or at least giving them open hands so they can maybe hold other figure's accessories.

Heh, did you make an account so you could post in this thread?

[Weapon X]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

It sucks that we won't get anymore single figures but if DCC keeps the two packs and multipacks themed so that characters who normally hang out together in the comics are packaged together, then it won't be so bad. And some of those canceled figures like Deathstroke and Catwoman could show up in multipacks themed after Teen Titans and Batman villains. I also don't think that the Iconic Moments sets will completely take over the Icons line. Moments like Bane breaking Batman's back and Batman carrying Jason Todd's dead body seem obvious but what else would they do? Speedy shooting up in front of GA and GL? Doubt it. Although I would totally buy a pack of Clark Kent dashing into a phone booth, changing into his costume, and flying out as Superman.

Have there been any photos of these multipacks released, or did they just announce it? I'm pretty new to this line.

[Ravenxl7]

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Have there been any photos of these multipacks released, or did they just announce it? I'm pretty new to this line.

None of those are announced sets, they're just ideas jwyss234 has for sets DCC could do. The only set they've announced for the new "iconic moments" theme for the Icons line is the Death of Superman set.

While I'm usuallu not interested in battle damaged figures, I do like the idea of a set replicating Bane breaking Batman's back.

A set recreating the graveyard scene from Hush would be kinda cool too.

[TheWaker43q]

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Heh, did you make an account so you could post in this thread?

HA! Pretty much. I usually only use this site for news, never really check the forum. I spend most of my time on Reddit's action figure sub. But I asked about the future of DC Icons over there this morning and it lead me here. Have to say, I think I've been missing out by ignoring this place and plan to spend more time on this site. Seems to have more up to date info, at least about the DC stuff I've been reading about today.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by Weapon X

Have there been any photos of these multipacks released, or did they just announce it? I'm pretty new to this line.

The only multipack for for DC Icons so far is the DC Rebirth Justice League pack. I believe DCC said that it would be out in March. There is also the Death of Superman 2 pack just announced.

[redfox]

Hopefully this "Iconic Moments" thing will produce some multi-packs featuring the Gotham City Sirens or Birds of Prey. I'm also hoping for another release of Wonder Woman with a better headsculpt. The current Rebirth sculpt looks off...

[Weapon X]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

None of those are announced sets, they're just ideas jwyss234 has for sets DCC could do. The only set they've announced for the new "iconic moments" theme for the Icons line is the Death of Superman set.

While I'm usuallu not interested in battle damaged figures, I do like the idea of a set replicating Bane breaking Batman's back.

A set recreating the graveyard scene from Hush would be kinda cool too.

The idea sounds pretty awesome IMO.

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Originally Posted by TheWaker43q

HA! Pretty much. I usually only use this site for news, never really check the forum. I spend most of my time on Reddit's action figure sub. But I asked about the future of DC Icons over there this morning and it lead me here. Have to say, I think I've been missing out by ignoring this place and plan to spend more time on this site. Seems to have more up to date info, at least about the DC stuff I've been reading about today.

Hehe.

Hey, I didn't know reddit had a figure sub. I might have to finally make an account and get involved.

[jpizzow]

Well, selling two packs instead of single figures makes about as much sense as having an asshole on your elbow. For one, $28 MSRP was pushing it, and like myself, probably kept many collectors out of that rabbit hole. I'm not sure I understand why they are so expensive. I made this comparison when talking about Marvel Legends and I'll go ahead and make it again. How on earth does Diamond Select offer a figure with similar articulation and with similar accessories but at more than an inch in scale bigger, with more sculpt, more paint apps, a friggin diorama piece AND larger, more detail packaging.....all for an MSRP that is $3 less than an Icons figure?? Judgeing from the amount of product I see from both at about the same number of retailers, their production seems about the same.

What I see is DC Collectibles taking advantage of their core customer, the collector, by overcharging for their figures. And they wonder why comic store shelves are clogged with them.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by jpizzow

Well, selling two packs instead of single figures makes about as much sense as having an asshole on your elbow. For one, $28 MSRP was pushing it, and like myself, probably kept many collectors out of that rabbit hole. I'm not sure I understand why they are so expensive. I made this comparison when talking about Marvel Legends and I'll go ahead and make it again. How on earth does Diamond Select offer a figure with similar articulation and with similar accessories but at more than an inch in scale bigger, with more sculpt, more paint apps, a friggin diorama piece AND larger, more detail packaging.....all for an MSRP that is $3 less than an Icons figure?? Judgeing from the amount of product I see from both at about the same number of retailers, their production seems about the same.

What I see is DC Collectibles taking advantage of their core customer, the collector, by overcharging for their figures. And they wonder why comic store shelves are clogged with them.

The vibe I got from the DCC guy that Shartimusprime interviewed was that they want to be seen as offering "premium" collectibles. Figures that are more affordable/cheaper than Mafex or S.H. Figuarts products but still have more articulation, extra accessories, Mafex-ish clear stands, diorama pieces, vehicles with lights, etc. I get that they make some great statues but I don't think DCC is even on Neca's level yet in terms of sculpt, paint, or price for their figures. They're definitely taking advantage of customers. Fortunately, I just wait on most figures to go down in price on Amazon before I buy.

Also, DST has to pay for licensing so that's another point in their favor.

[Ravenxl7]

I honestly don't think you can fairly compare DCC to Diamond Select. Not with just the info we as consumers have. You're making an assumption that shouldn't be made. You're assuming that the production costs for a typical Icons figure and the typical Marvel Select figure are equal.

[lordbest]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

The vibe I got from the DCC guy that Shartimusprime interviewed was that they want to be seen as offering "premium" collectibles. Figures that are more affordable/cheaper than Mafex or S.H. Figuarts products but still have more articulation, extra accessories, Mafex-ish clear stands, diorama pieces, vehicles with lights, etc. I get that they make some great statues but I don't think DCC is even on Neca's level yet in terms of sculpt, paint, or price for their figures. They're definitely taking advantage of customers. Fortunately, I just wait on most figures to go down in price on Amazon before I buy.

Also, DST has to pay for licensing so that's another point in their favor.

All my Icons figures have better articulation and can pose better than any of my NECA figures. I love NECA, but they aren't perfect. Neither are Icons of course. Also in Australia at least Icons have been cheaper than most NECA figures.