[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Poison Shadow

When the New 52 started, Joker had the Dollmaker slice off his face. During Grant Morrison's Batman run from a few years back, he did a story about how Joker has a psychological need to go through a transformation every few years to reinvent himself. It happened during a very bizarre issue which was basically a short prose story with only a few illustrations throughout, and it described his "process" as being a very physical metamorphosis. That particular issue ended with him splitting his tongue in half with a razor blade, making it seem as though he had a serpent's tongue on top of his new personality and mannerisms.

I've always liked that idea, as well as the New 52 DCC Joker figure itself too - so much, in fact, that I have both the blue and orange versions. Didn't set out to get both, but ended up with them all the same. I just wish the articulation was a little better, but I do like the "slasher movie icon" look in general. It is what it is: a temporary reinvention of a popular character. I can't blame anyone who doesn't like it, though. It is very weird.

A character calling herself The Joker's Daughter now wears his face as a mask after his disappearance. She's a part of the Suicide Squad with Harley Quinn.

Thanks for clarifying that, still not crazy about the new 52 take. I don't generally care for reboots to begin with. Yeah it gets hard to keep up with everything on this big timeline, but to scrap it all just to make a grab for attention is unnecessary and confusing to many readers. Just before the reboot I was pretty into the Gail Simone secret six series and I got hyped for what Bane was about to do to Gotham, aaand it rebooted.

[CMIII]

The Reboots have become so common place now that they have lost their fire. Crisis on Infinite Earths was sposed to ends the Reboots and the thousands of Universes started due to 50 years of DC (at the time). All it did was set up Maxi events that cause reboots. As a result it causes people to not respect what came before... If you ever wonder what set me off on Scott Neitlich and why I want to see MOTU end so badly it was the Lack of respect he showed the Old DC Universe and minimalizing everything that came before september 2011

[En Sabah Nerd]

Okay I'm done talking about reboots, back to character designs and with them toys. Killer Croc is one of my favorite Batman villains, and like many a character he has a variety of looks. My favorites are all of the more human headed looks (Batman The Animated Series, Arkham Origins, Arkham Asylum, etc.), still monstrous and lizardy, but in a way still human. I don't care so much for the snout faced total lizard heads (The Batman, and a bunch of toys use it) if you can replace a real reptile's head with Croc's and still have a reasonable lizard, then it's less appealing to me. I don't even always mind if he has a tail, I really prefer that he doesn't, but that doesn't necessarily kill it for me.

[CMIII]

Killer Croc is pretty cool. I still think he should be Bigger then Batman though, Just not as big as the Arkham game where he looks Lizard Hulk

[Poison Shadow]

I definitely don't like the versions of Croc with the long snout and tail. I mean, that's The Lizard. Croc should never look like a clone of him.

Arkham Origins is my favorite version so far. To me he looks like a modernized redesign of BTAS Killer Croc. I just wish the DCC version wasn't quite so big, because I believe in-game AO Croc was a bit smaller than he is in Asylum. It's a good value, though. They've come a long way from when they charged $70 for AC Croc and Mister Freeze.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Poison Shadow

I definitely don't like the versions of Croc with the long snout and tail. I mean, that's The Lizard. Croc should never look like a clone of him.

Arkham Origins is my favorite version so far. To me he looks like a modernized redesign of BTAS Killer Croc. I just wish the DCC version wasn't quite so big, because I believe in-game AO Croc was a bit smaller than he is in Asylum. It's a good value, though. They've come a long way from when they charged $70 for AC Croc and Mister Freeze.

In Arkham Origins Killer Croc is listed as 9'8", and then in Arkham Asylum he is 11'. The figure is pretty in scale when you consider that the Batman from that line is 7" tall. Killer Croc's scale approx. 10.5/116 is fairly close to Batman's scale 7/74.
Edit: So the Arkham Origins figure is in scale close enough with the Arkham Origins Batman, the Asylum figure should be a bit taller (closer to Grundy and Titan Joker). Though I've heard some very bad QC issues with the Asylum Croc, especially that his arms break off very easily.

[CMIII]

I will say I am probably going to buy the Figures next month direct from Mattel and DR only because the Shipping will be cheaper then going through 4 different Sellers on Ebay. I would say in bulk it might be better.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Poison Shadow

I definitely don't like the versions of Croc with the long snout and tail. I mean, that's The Lizard. Croc should never look like a clone of him.

That's because he is a rip off of Lizard.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

That's because he is a rip off of Lizard.

The original Croc is only a rip-off in that he's a reptilian humanoid, the Lizard is a crazy smart scientist who plays (again) on the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide relation. Killer Croc was born with an acute mutation/disorder and has great misanthropic intentions. But it's still fair to say that Croc's a Lizard rip-off. I feel like I tend to prefer Killer Croc, only because he's always a monster and harbors somewhat reasonable hatred of humanity. The Lizard is cool too though, and still one of my favorite Spider-Man villains.

[CMIII]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

The original Croc is only a rip-off in that he's a reptilian humanoid, the Lizard is a crazy smart scientist who plays (again) on the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide relation. Killer Croc was born with an acute mutation/disorder and has great misanthropic intentions. But it's still fair to say that Croc's a Lizard rip-off. I feel like I tend to prefer Killer Croc, only because he's always a monster and harbors somewhat reasonable hatred of humanity. The Lizard is cool too though, and still one of my favorite Spider-Man villains.

I think what Dr. Kain is saying is that any time they make Killer Croc look like a Reptile they are Ripping off Spider-Man. If you want to get Technical it's really Man-Bat that the Rip off of Lizard. Both are Scientists who experiment on themselves and become Animalistic Humanoids. The problem is the people drawing KC are assuming he is much the same as Lizard and just draw him as such.

[Dr Kain]

No, I mean that DC made him to copy Lizard. Just like how Marvel made Thanos to copy off of Darkseid. And Hawkeye to copy off of Green Arrow. Deadpool to copy off Deathstroke. And... you get the point.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

No, I mean that DC made him to copy Lizard. Just like how Marvel made Thanos to copy off of Darkseid. And Hawkeye to copy off of Green Arrow. Deadpool to copy off Deathstroke. And... you get the point.

Aquaman is a copy of Namor, that's like the only Dc from Marvel I can think of right now. DC has most of the originals because they're older. A neat fun fact: originally Thanos was based on one of the other New Gods, but his co-creator told Jim Starlin "if you're going to base it on a New God, go with the biggest one" and that's why Thanos is based on Darkseid and not whichever other one it was.

[CMIII]

honestly no comic book company has ever had an original idea not since 1950. Heck go back to 1938 and see how many companies put out a "Superman" or "Batman" or "Wonder Woman"

[En Sabah Nerd]

I'm a sketch artist (purely a past-time/hobby) as anyone here who's ever been to the Marvel 3.75" thread has seen, but I was looking through some of my older pieces and found some that I wanted to share with this thread.


Both are around 6 months or less old, but still neat. I thought this would be a nice break to whining about weird classic costumes and reboots.

[CMIII]

if you are looking for another Marvel to DC... Captain America and Commander Steel. Their back stories are so Identical it's not funny or better yet Incredible Hulk and Doomsday

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

if you are looking for another Marvel to DC... Captain America and Commander Steel. Their back stories are so Identical it's not funny or better yet Incredible Hulk and Doomsday

Batman Beyond is based on Spider-Man, especially if you look at some his villains. And Mongul is often thought of as DC's copy of Thanos, even though Thanos is copied of Darkseid, and now in the New 52 Darkseid somewhat resembles what if Apocalypse and Thanos had a kid and sent it to DC as the new Darkseid. I think a lot of the copycats work as long as they go on to define themselves in some way uniquely different from their template.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

if you are looking for another Marvel to DC... Captain America and Commander Steel. Their back stories are so Identical it's not funny or better yet Incredible Hulk and Doomsday

Uhhh... that is stretching it. I see nothing in Doomsday that is anything like the Hulk. Hulk has a brilliant main that transforms into him. Doomsday is just a walking mindless killing machine.

[En Sabah Nerd]

I've said I don't read the comics anymore (probably too much at this point), but dammit I love the Arkham games and I'm pretty damn hyped for Arkham Knight. Especially since now Scarecrow is the main villain, and almost more than the game I'm looking forward to the DCC Arkham Knight Scarecrow figure.
I recently posted some older sketches of The Joker and Two-Face, but today I actually sketched something new DC. In anticipation of the game/figure I sketched up my personal conglomerate design of one of my favorite Batman villains.

[CMIII]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Uhhh... that is stretching it. I see nothing in Doomsday that is anything like the Hulk. Hulk has a brilliant main that transforms into him. Doomsday is just a walking mindless killing machine.

Their similar in the aspect that the Angrier the Hulk gets the stronger he gets. And if you beat Doomsday he comes back stronger.

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

Their similar in the aspect that the Angrier the Hulk gets the stronger he gets. And if you beat Doomsday he comes back stronger.

That's still a bit of a stretch, and has nothing to do with their origins, which is what the wording of your post made it sound like you were talking about.

As for Captain America and Commander Steel, definitely similar, but not identical. Also, if you want to get technical, Captain America was a rip-off of a DC character, The Shield.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

Their similar in the aspect that the Angrier the Hulk gets the stronger he gets. And if you beat Doomsday he comes back stronger.

How does he come back stronger? He looked pretty dead to me in DoSM.

Okay, nevermind, that was a dumb question. Being dead in comics is like calling in sick in the real world. You call in dead and then you come back stronger than ever a year later.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

As for Captain America and Commander Steel, definitely similar, but not identical. Also, if you want to get technical, Captain America was a rip-off of a DC character, The Shield.

None of them are identical, only similar. If the point of a copy-n'-paste character was to be identical then there would be no point to having different comic companies.
The Shield wasn't DC when created, rather Archie Comics (under their original name). The Shield only debuted ahead of Captain America by 14 months and was one of a few original patriotic based heroes, Captain America was not actually based on any particular one, but was instead the most successful of them. There were so many comics being pushed with patriotic heroes then, that it would prove faulty to try and label the very first patriotic hero and be 100% certain.
The Swamp Thing is borrowed from Man-Thing who had only months ahead of his DC counterpart, and both are technically knock-offs of The Heap from the early 1940s.

[CMIII]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

How does he come back stronger? He looked pretty dead to me in DoSM.

Okay, nevermind, that was a dumb question. Being dead in comics is like calling in sick in the real world. You call in dead and then you come back stronger than ever a year later.

Doomsday was designed as a Living perfect being. Bertron Made Doomsday to die then brought him back. The Prison Suited version we got was his 3rd Defeat as the beast we know the Kaltrons rapped him in a Tarp as a burial shroud. So Doomsday dies he comes back stronger able to defeat what killed him, The Guardians, The Radient, The Kaltrons, all set him up to fight Superman.

As for Captain America and Commader Steel the two were created by the same person

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

So did anyone see the picture I posted before it was taken down for some random reason?

It's not random - the reason for removing the image is stated quite clearly in your post. See Rule #17.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I really don't think an inch makes a big difference. We could easily talk about the DCC stuff in the DCU thread like we have been for the last long ass time.

Completely agree. The current DC 6" thread covers DCD/DCC figures already.

Threads have been merged.

[TheBlueMarvel]

Experimenting with the "Effects" kits I received recently....Phantom Stranger needed some love...more to come.