[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Thanks for the correction, Snow.
As much as I love the current GL Universe set up, with the Blue Lanterns, Indogo Tribe, Sinestro and Sapphire Corps and all of them, I definately agree it needs a soft reboot and start fresh.

Though maybe reboot with everything largely in place, and a somewhat adjusted mythology behind it.

Yeah, that's what it's starting to look like.

A relaunch because the timeline goes wonky after flashpoints time travel romp.

Which means... This could lead to a form of timewar down the line far later if they so chose to go back to OG DCU.

[behindthemask]

when I first saw this I was like damn... I don't wanna start collecting DC stuff again.. lol My first thoughts were that would make a sick Iron Lantern figure or Titanium Man!

[DogFashionDisco]

I've collected enough parts to build STEL... I guess I'm the guy to ask.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Earth has so many, because the 2814 sector keeps getting ousted and replaced.

Originally even after sinestro, there was only one lantern per sector. Hal was stripped of his ring for some reason, so it went to gardner, then hal came back so the ring went from gardner to hal again. Then stewart got a ring from a crazy guardian who made a colony planet thing of many species. The guardians didn't know what to do about it, so they left them there with Stewart keeping order, which eventually led to him becoming an honorary guardian. Then Hal went nuts, killed everyone, and only ganthet got away, who found Kyle rayner in a club alleyway and said "He'll have to do" so kyle became the lone GL. During this time, Gardner went to a yellow ring weilder, then to a red warrior thing, then back to human. Stewart went from GL to guardian to darkstar, then paralyzed, then hal restored his ability to walk during final night.

All 3 after hal died used to drink at warriors for nostalgia. Eventually as the spectre hal joined them.

When the corps was reborn, they all came back to being lanterns because of their service. Now the new corps does a partner setup per sector. Kyle and Guy being honor guards that stay on OA, and Stewart with hal being 2814/earth.

The rebirthed corps came after Final Night from either a secondary ring kyle got on a time travel romp, or the ion power he absorbed from near the sun. It's around that entire original Ion arc that I dropped the title. Kyle used all that power to fix the corps and trick his ring out. It's also around when he proposed to Jade with a GL ring making her one of the first new members. During final night is when Hal died in an act of redemption about Zero Hour. it wasn't until about 10 years (give or take) later after final night they raised hal from the dead as his own GL again. Prior to that, he was atoning by being the Spectre.


It's far more complicated than that, but that's the reader digested to explain it. Looking back now, I'm starting to see why they are relaunching actually. xD that's just the last 20 or 30 years.

So basicly it went like this:
Abin Sur -> Hal -> Guy Gardner -> Hal -> Stewart -> Hal -> Kyle -> all 4

What about Alan Scott?

[Crazy Jetty]

Well, technically, Scott has never been officially apart of the corps. His origin is unique compaired to theirs. Snow follows the Abin Sur line of succession.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

What about Alan Scott?

He was never a GL Corps member. Though maybe temporary, at one point post hal during a crossover in the silverage. There was also about an issue or 2 story about him being an honorary member of the corps while not actually being one. His powers stem from the starheart, which affected his kids.

No clue where he is now. But his went something like:

GL -> retired -> GL -> Deaged by some mystic reason -> Sentinel -> Back to reaged to old GL -> now no clue.
He had two kids with his wife, who stayed old when he got deaged which caused some decent stories between them about the rammifications.
One of his children being Jade, who kyle was dating, which led to him criss-crossing in and out of the normal GL title of the 90s. AFAIK, he and kyle still talk on occasion.

Personally, I'm only really a fan of his sentinel costume. His classic is yes classic, but sentinel was quite an awesome update imho. It really evoked a man reborn feeling too, that had stories akin to captain america's a man displaced in time. Similiar in a way to Forever Young in many ways too, except he was awake during technology progression.

I kind of miss the 90s stories centered around Kyle though. I kind of wish they approached the rebirth of the corps better than just reverting everything back to the way it was before.

I do like the many new corps branches like the alpha lanterns, and the mobile bases they have now, and the partner system. Much of that though seems like a human emphasis onto what was otherwise guardian arrogance about emotions, which is another reason why I wish they stuck with the more humanizing them as was insinuated early on before the full blown rebirth that Geoff Johns caused.

Then again, maybe I just prefer artists as GLs, since they seem to be more capable with the rings in thinking creatively to use them. They've also seemingly forgotten about all the changes kyle made to his personal ring among other little side details they've accumulated over the years.

[Jason Abbadon]

At the dawn of time, the race that would become the Guardians was the first sentient species to become technologicly advanced. Their top scientist- Krona- wanted to know what happened before at the moment the universe was created and, against the laws of is people, made a kind of time portal to view the creation.
He saw two giant hands made of entropy energy...

Not only did this sorta break Kronos' mind, some of that entropy got through the portal- destroying a delicate universal balance: when the DCU eventually ends, it's supposed to collapse in on itself and create another "big bang" that will make a new universe- but Krona's meddeling cost a huge amount of energy at the dawn of the current universe, meaning that once the universe ends, it's kaput.
After millenia, the new Guardians had determined that by controlling anough of the normal chaos in the universe- by bringing an enforced order- the gap in energy culd be closed and Krona's crime would be attoned for.

So they went about containing or stopping chaos however they could- one major way to to contain the Starheart- source of all mystical energy in the DCU inside an actual star. They also contained or inprisoned the emotional totem entities of the energy spectrum- Fear, Anger, Love, Will, Avarice, Compassion (and unbeknownst to them) Life.
Another way to combat universal chaos was to police the universe with the robotic Manhunters, which, after terrible programing errors led to their killing billions in an effort to wipe out chaos, were replaced with the (living) Green Lantern Corps.

So, the Guardians and the GLC is really all about guilt and atonement for Krona's crimes- and their mission has the highest stakes imaginible.

Alan Scott's lantern is actually a part of the Starheart that bonded to an ancient 2184 Green Lantern's power battery, ws destroyed and re-fashioned many times into lantern shapes, eventually falling to Alan scott and giving him a vision of how to restore it's original look and purpose- Alan, an engineer made the starheart into a battery and ring and became the first earthman to be called "Green Lantern".

Fo reasons Wikipedia was created for, I'll tell you that Alan's weakness was wood and that yellow is just another color to him. He also has to recharge his ring every 24 hours bu this has been shown to be more of a holdover limitation from his battery's original design and he o longer needs to do that. also of note, Alan has used his battery just as he would his ring and other people cant make his ring work.

Alan is also much much more powerful than any single GLC member.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Fo reasons Wikipedia was created for, I'll tell you that Alan's weakness was wood and that yellow is just another color to him.

Yeah, the humor that at one time, you could have killed both the golden aged and silver aged Green Lanterns with a number two pencil has not been lost on me.

And Nako, I got ahold of the new dvd GL: Emerald Knights. Great short stories about multiple alien lanterns, as told by Jordan and Sinestro to the latest rookie, Arisia. Stories adapted from multiple comics, over the years.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

At the dawn of time, the race that would become the Guardians was the first sentient species to become technologicly advanced. Their top scientist- Krona- wanted to know what happened before at the moment the universe was created and, against the laws of is people, made a kind of time portal to view the creation.
He saw two giant hands made of entropy energy...

Not only did this sorta break Kronos' mind, some of that entropy got through the portal- destroying a delicate universal balance: when the DCU eventually ends, it's supposed to collapse in on itself and create another "big bang" that will make a new universe- but Krona's meddeling cost a huge amount of energy at the dawn of the current universe, meaning that once the universe ends, it's kaput.
After millenia, the new Guardians had determined that by controlling anough of the normal chaos in the universe- by bringing an enforced order- the gap in energy culd be closed and Krona's crime would be attoned for.

So they went about containing or stopping chaos however they could- one major way to to contain the Starheart- source of all mystical energy in the DCU inside an actual star. They also contained or inprisoned the emotional totem entities of the energy spectrum- Fear, Anger, Love, Will, Avarice, Compassion (and unbeknownst to them) Life.
Another way to combat universal chaos was to police the universe with the robotic Manhunters, which, after terrible programing errors led to their killing billions in an effort to wipe out chaos, were replaced with the (living) Green Lantern Corps.

So, the Guardians and the GLC is really all about guilt and atonement for Krona's crimes- and their mission has the highest stakes imaginible.

Alan Scott's lantern is actually a part of the Starheart that bonded to an ancient 2184 Green Lantern's power battery, ws destroyed and re-fashioned many times into lantern shapes, eventually falling to Alan scott and giving him a vision of how to restore it's original look and purpose- Alan, an engineer made the starheart into a battery and ring and became the first earthman to be called "Green Lantern".

Fo reasons Wikipedia was created for, I'll tell you that Alan's weakness was wood and that yellow is just another color to him. He also has to recharge his ring every 24 hours bu this has been shown to be more of a holdover limitation from his battery's original design and he o longer needs to do that. also of note, Alan has used his battery just as he would his ring and other people cant make his ring work.

Alan is also much much more powerful than any single GLC member.

DC is confusing in that regard with all the retcons to origins.
Like how Zero Hour changed the origin of the universe.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

DC is confusing in that regard with all the retcons to origins.
Like how Zero Hour changed the origin of the universe.

That's really because they had relaunched their entire line of books, starting the Silver Age and useing only the names and general powers of the original characters (Flash, GL, etc.) and kept the old characters as being from "Earth 2"- a parallel reality where heroes could sometime cross over and team up.

In the 1980's they crammed everything together in Crisis of Infinite Earths. Now you have "legacy" heroes useing the nmaes of long-dead 1940's characters- they are on their fifth Phantom Landy and Black Condor for example!

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

That's really because they had relaunched their entire line of books, starting the Silver Age and useing only the names and general powers of the original characters (Flash, GL, etc.) and kept the old characters as being from "Earth 2"- a parallel reality where heroes could sometime cross over and team up.

In the 1980's they crammed everything together in Crisis of Infinite Earths. Now you have "legacy" heroes useing the nmaes of long-dead 1940's characters- they are on their fifth Phantom Landy and Black Condor for example!

Yeah, but a crisis every few years to fix the mistakes of the past and change more history is getting annoying.

We've had what? 3 crisis, plus crisis in time/zero hour, armagedon 2001, and the list goes on.

Legacy heroes who are never truly a legacy because the original always comes back unless a minority takes their place. Not that I mind the minority aspect, it's the bringing back the original at all when you claim legacy mantles that bugs me.

Now we have flashpoint, which will end doing the same as zero hour altering time, eventually leading to the originally passed on title for Zero hour Crisis in Time.

I like DC, I'm just tired of this constant destroying growth to bring back silver age heroes for no reason other than to let the current writer have their childhood hero back to write. Barry's story for example was full circle. He was the lightning bolt that struck himself. Wally had a similiar aspect, but they left his open to not close that circle, with him just being the man from his youth who gave him the confidence to dream. The best jumping on points to me as a youth were when the mantle was passed on. Wally as flash, Kyle as GL, and so on. Just as the silver age did the same to passing on original mantles to a new generation of heroes with new origins.

[DogFashionDisco]

I recently read Green Lantern: Agent Orange. Anyone else read this TPB yet? It was really good, and told me enough about the Orange Lanterns and Blue Lanterns to understand how fucked up the different rings can be. I owe my best bud Matt a lot for showing me this prelude to Blackest Night just in time for the new movie.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Yeah, but a crisis every few years to fix the mistakes of the past and change more history is getting annoying.
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While I totally agree, it's kinda required- Dc curently has Bruce wayne at 40 years old- meaning he's been Batman about fifteen years- same with Superman.
Even if you stretch that to 20 years worth of career (meaning Bruce started at Batman at the unlikely age of 20) that would require an Arkham asylum every week, a major riot monthly, major disasters on a yearly basis, grisly murders nightly and non-stop kidnappings, serial killer sprees, robberies, rapes and monsters throughout Gotham City and Bruce working 24/7.

No one in their right mind would live in Gotham! It would be like Detroit from Robocop but with bodies in the streets.

Really, everyone in Marvel and Dc would be suffering from extreme PTSD, but in DC it would be far far worse. Consider that Gotham's sister city, Bludhaven was utterly destroyed in a chemical attack- total populace wiped out.
Gotham had a major earthquake, followed by a plague. The Earth of DC has suffered four major worldwide alien invasions, Nuclear terrorist attacks, Amazons attacking the United States, two massive temporal/ reality warping events and a worldwide uprising of zombies.
oh, and Lex Luthor was the United States president for a year. I shit you not. Lex freaking Luthor got elected President.
At that point, I'd let the zombies have the planet and bug out to the JLA satelite or Oa or wherever.

Yeah, sometimes a reboot is the only way to get past their past!

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

While I totally agree, it's kinda required- Dc curently has Bruce wayne at 40 years old- meaning he's been Batman about fifteen years- same with Superman.
Even if you stretch that to 20 years worth of career (meaning Bruce started at Batman at the unlikely age of 20) that would require an Arkham asylum every week, a major riot monthly, major disasters on a yearly basis, grisly murders nightly and non-stop kidnappings, serial killer sprees, robberies, rapes and monsters throughout Gotham City and Bruce working 24/7.

No one in their right mind would live in Gotham! It would be like Detroit from Robocop but with bodies in the streets.

Really, everyone in Marvel and Dc would be suffering from extreme PTSD, but in DC it would be far far worse. Consider that Gotham's sister city, Bludhaven was utterly destroyed in a chemical attack- total populace wiped out.
Gotham had a major earthquake, followed by a plague. The Earth of DC has suffered four major worldwide alien invasions, Nuclear terrorist attacks, Amazons attacking the United States, two massive temporal/ reality warping events and a worldwide uprising of zombies.
oh, and Lex Luthor was the United States president for a year. I shit you not. Lex freaking Luthor got elected President.
At that point, I'd let the zombies have the planet and bug out to the JLA satelite or Oa or wherever.

Yeah, sometimes a reboot is the only way to get past their past!

And *then* you get to characters who are *really* fucked up, like Powergirl.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

While I totally agree, it's kinda required- Dc curently has Bruce wayne at 40 years old- meaning he's been Batman about fifteen years- same with Superman.
Even if you stretch that to 20 years worth of career (meaning Bruce started at Batman at the unlikely age of 20) that would require an Arkham asylum every week, a major riot monthly, major disasters on a yearly basis, grisly murders nightly and non-stop kidnappings, serial killer sprees, robberies, rapes and monsters throughout Gotham City and Bruce working 24/7.

No one in their right mind would live in Gotham! It would be like Detroit from Robocop but with bodies in the streets.

Really, everyone in Marvel and Dc would be suffering from extreme PTSD, but in DC it would be far far worse. Consider that Gotham's sister city, Bludhaven was utterly destroyed in a chemical attack- total populace wiped out.
Gotham had a major earthquake, followed by a plague. The Earth of DC has suffered four major worldwide alien invasions, Nuclear terrorist attacks, Amazons attacking the United States, two massive temporal/ reality warping events and a worldwide uprising of zombies.
oh, and Lex Luthor was the United States president for a year. I shit you not. Lex freaking Luthor got elected President.
At that point, I'd let the zombies have the planet and bug out to the JLA satelite or Oa or wherever.

Yeah, sometimes a reboot is the only way to get past their past!

That's exactly my point about legacy heroes and mantles though. If they used what they claimed, the de-aging wouldn't be needed at all. At least some of the slowed aging they rationalized out, like the JSA, among others including Clark. Bruce on the other hand, well you may as well just use the Lazurus pit or some such staying young by proximity to the magics keeping others young.

As for Lex, yeah, that arc has been ongoing for awhile. Then again though, he's alsoo had his own stories to his deaging. Like the cancer, clone bodies, etc.

The reboot/relaunch on the other hand creates new issues too.
If Nightwing is in his 20s, and Bruce in his 30s. How does that work if they were former partners?

It just feels with nightwing especially, they are using too many movie nods. He's got a very Batman Forever/Batman and Robin vibe going on.

The GL costumes are reverting to more towards the movie costumes. Which for stel is awesome, since his movie look is extremely close to his alpha lantern look like the C&C figure. (They have a carded version of his normal lantern look in one of the GLC waves. Seen below, alpha lantern stel is what the C&C is.)

Superboy looks all kinds of weird, superman does too, Supergirl and red robin are awesome though.

I included images of Stel pre-alpha lantern figure, as well as what I was talking about with nightwing.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

alpha lantern stel is what the C&C is.)

I included images of Stel pre-alpha lantern figure, as well as what I was talking about with nightwing.

So STEL did become an Alpha Lantern? I thought they were the Bad guys, at least when Cyborg Superman had control of them. Is he still an Alpha Lantern now? Sorry, I've been playing catch up with the current storyline.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

So STEL did become an Alpha Lantern? I thought they were the Bad guys, at least when Cyborg Superman had control of them. Is he still an Alpha Lantern now? Sorry, I've been playing catch up with the current storyline.

Yeah he's still an alpha. He's one of the few alpha's who maintained himself entirely.

The others are just now finally starting to wake up slowly, but reboot/relaunch, so no clue if that'll be finished.

When you get to the end of the cyborg supes story, it explains it all.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Yeah he's still an alpha. He's one of the few alpha's who maintained himself entirely.

The others are just now finally starting to wake up slowly, but reboot/relaunch, so no clue if that'll be finished.

When you get to the end of the cyborg supes story, it explains it all.

I read the end of Cyborg Superman story. I think STEL is just a regular Green Lantern. None of the sites I've looked at ever said he was turned into an Alpha Lantern. I think he is just the Drill Instructor for the Lantern Core Now. And Cyborg Superman was never able to comtrol him, He's just a Regular Green Lantern.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

I read the end of Cyborg Superman story. I think STEL is just a regular Green Lantern. None of the sites I've looked at ever said he was turned into an Alpha Lantern. I think he is just the Drill Instructor for the Lantern Core Now. And Cyborg Superman was never able to comtrol him, He's just a Regular Green Lantern.

He's gotten destroyed and rebuilt so many times, I may have mistaken that for just one of those times. The sunken chest with the symbol doesn't help since it mirrors the power battery chest of the alphas.

I could have sworn he became an alpha though at one point before the cyborg supes arc, but that'd require me to dig through the issues and I feel like being lazy instead cause it's late.

[nakobass]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

He's gotten destroyed and rebuilt so many times, I may have mistaken that for just one of those times. The sunken chest with the symbol doesn't help since it mirrors the power battery chest of the alphas.

I could have sworn he became an alpha though at one point before the cyborg supes arc, but that'd require me to dig through the issues and I feel like being lazy instead cause it's late.

From what I've seen in the comics the Whole Lantern Battery is inside the chest. STEL just has the symbol of one in his chest, like all regular Green Lanterns.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Yeah he's still an alpha. He's one of the few alpha's who maintained himself entirely.

The others are just now finally starting to wake up slowly, but reboot/relaunch, so no clue if that'll be finished.

When you get to the end of the cyborg supes story, it explains it all.

From what i've read, I dont think any GL stuff is getting a reboot- they said "If it aint broke dont fix it" (they literally said that, no lie) an so GL is restarting the numbering at #1 and the Red Lanterns are getting their own title. It might well be that anyone on on Earth when whatever happens is unaffected.
With only two months to prep some kind of reason for the relaunch, it'll either suck or they wont give any reason at all- which would suck far far worse!

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

From what i've read, I dont think any GL stuff is getting a reboot- they said "If it aint broke dont fix it" (they literally said that, no lie) an so GL is restarting the numbering at #1 and the Red Lanterns are getting their own title. It might well be that anyone on on Earth when whatever happens is unaffected.
With only two months to prep some kind of reason for the relaunch, it'll either suck or they wont give any reason at all- which would suck far far worse!

It's going to be weird to say the least. Since it's obviously going to be caused by a ripple from Flashpoint, which should affect anyone a flash has had history with.

For GLs, much of that may stay the same then for the aliens, whereas the human ones may only have different things here and there in the history that's associated to the ripple. So probably nothing major at the very least.

I have to say so far though, the supergirl costume I like, superman and superboy not so much. Blue Beetle is staying the same at least. The GL costumes I'll have to take another look at, but last I saw they were going for a movie vibe with them. =/

The bat books seem to be staying too, Beyond included, just new costumes here and there.

[nakobass]

GOD I LOVE THIS THING! These are the only DC Universe Figures I own. STEL is just plain Awesome. Worth every penny getting him on ebay. As for Power Girl, we all know the reasonSS why I got her. As I said before this is the MUST BUY TOY OF THE YEAR!

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

GOD I LOVE THIS THING! These are the only DC Universe Figures I own. STEL is just plain Awesome. Worth every penny getting him on ebay. As for Power Girl, we all know the reasonSS why I got her. As I said before this is the MUST BUY TOY OF THE YEAR!

Definitely the most epic stel figure ever made.