[thechris]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

with Accessories I would like to have seen every Lantern (Red - White) have construces and have a Lantern

Not all lanterns use constructs, at least not up to the point I read the comics. Maybe give every Red Lantern red blood puke, though.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by thechris

Not all lanterns use constructs, at least not up to the point I read the comics. Maybe give every Red Lantern red blood puke, though.

They technically all have the ability, though, since all rings ape oan power ring technology.
Just with the red lanterns, they're so clouded by hate and rage, they can't think straight or concentrate enough to form them. Atrocitus can, and in theory, anyone who can rise above his or her ring's influence can, as well. I think Bleez was starting to snap out of it when she joined up with Guy Gardner, and headed to the outskirts. So by now she might be able to use them.
Also, in the animated series, the Reds have been toned down, and they can all use constructs in that universe, (Though they stick to simple, unimaginative things like beams and fields, much like John Stewart in JL/JLU)

But over all, I agree with you.
Constructs are not needed for everyone. Black Lanterns certainly never used them at all, and as evedent in Brightest Day, White Lanterns have an exceptionally hard time producing them.

[M3T4L V1KING]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

I think there should've been a different price point for waves of figures with no C&C, and a smaller blister card for them. For example, did all of us build the C&C's? Did most of you want them?

Maybe a $10 price for figures in a wave with no c&c, and the c&c waves keep their $15 pricepoint.

Also, we had too many repaints and it's sdad that the 2 packs got stuffed with them too. I mean a Batman with a painted rip on his shirt? Come on. Hal Jordan should've stopped being in 2 packs. Hell we didn't need that many Hals after wave 3.

The best thing about the line was consistency, each figure sculpted by the 4H.

I think that's key right there. Up here in Canada the DCUC figures were $20 a pop. If figures without the pieces, especially the all-star waves coming up, were lowered to $15 then I would be all over them. But with them being at the $20, I'm picking favourites here. I'm not going to be a completionist for overly priced figures.

[CMIII]

ok allow me to resay this. I would like to see Constructs from Orange Lantern - Star Sapphires and Power Batteries for all Corps. As for accessory cost Mattel wastes enough money on the Young Justice Line giving Sportsmaster 2 daggers and Throwing Stars, a Spear, Bat, and Knunchucks and a Diarama.

[M3T4L V1KING]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

ok allow me to resay this. I would like to see Constructs from Orange Lantern - Star Sapphires and Power Batteries for all Corps. As for accessory cost Mattel wastes enough money on the Young Justice Line giving Sportsmaster 2 daggers and Throwing Stars, a Spear, Bat, and Knunchucks and a Diarama.

I never thought about that, I mean why would that line get all of those accessories while DCUC didn't?

[CMIII]

And thats just Sportsmaster. All got the Diarama plus Accessories:

Speedy and Artemis - Bow and 4 arrows each
Aqualad: Water Constructs (Lack of a better term)
Robin: Bo and other Batman Related
Superboy: Unknown

[thechris]

Yeah and with all those accessories, that line still failed and much sooner than DCUC. I honestly just don't think kids and most casual collectors care about DC. We talk about the A-listers and B-listers and the Big 7 and honestly, to most people (not hardcore DC fans), even the Big 7 has it's share of B, C and D-listers and at that point, what hope has the line got on the broad market? IMO, it's like this:
Classic Big 7
A List
Batman
Superman-ish
Green Lantern-ish
B List/C-List/D-List
The Flash
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter

[Harbinger]

good mix of a-z list characters, 2 of each figure per case (so no short packs) and for the love of gawd!!!.....no revision cases with incomplete BAF waves.

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by M3T4L V1KING

I never thought about that, I mean why would that line get all of those accessories while DCUC didn't?

Because they also cost more. The Young Justice figures were what...$24 a pop or so?

[CMIII]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

I think there should've been a different price point for waves of figures with no C&C, and a smaller blister card for them. For example, did all of us build the C&C's? Did most of you want them?

Maybe a $10 price for figures in a wave with no c&c, and the c&c waves keep their $15 pricepoint.

Also, we had too many repaints and it's sdad that the 2 packs got stuffed with them too. I mean a Batman with a painted rip on his shirt? Come on. Hal Jordan should've stopped being in 2 packs. Hell we didn't need that many Hals after wave 3.

The best thing about the line was consistency, each figure sculpted by the 4H.

Didn't you know we really want 20 waves with Hal Jordan, Batman, Superman, and Flash in each plus we need 3 two pack with each in them. You know we just need 12 varients of every Major Hero in every costumeeven if they only wear it in months with three letters in their English name. Hey Mattel I'm gonna say this I DON'T WANT NEW 52 BATMAN, SUPERMAN, HAL JORDAN, SHAZAM!, FLASH.

[ToyAddict]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

I DON'T WANT NEW 52 BATMAN, SUPERMAN, HAL JORDAN, SHAZAM!, FLASH.

I don't want them either; however, they should have all been put out there already. Maybe around wave 17 they should have packed in New 52 Superman, wave 18 New 52 Wonder Woman, wave 19 New 52 Batman, and wave 20 New 52 Hal instead of the All-Star Hal we got. These toys should have been coming out when the new comics were coming out, and maybe a little before as a teaser. And then go into All-Stars with 1-2 other New 52 designs in each wave. It's the same stuff we complain @ Hasbro over for their handling of GI Joe Renegades -- those figures didn't come out till after the show's run was done (assuming it isn't coming back) AND they didn't make all the dozen or so core characters. (not making Baroness or Roadblock is unexcusable).

[ToyAddict]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

good mix of a-z list characters, 2 of each figure per case (so no short packs) and for the love of gawd!!!.....no revision cases with incomplete BAF waves.

IDK -- I kinda like someone else's idea of short-packing the really low-list characters. With that extra space in a case, maybe they could have included another repack/repaint of someone they had made before -- like rereleasing Steel, Wonder Woman, Batman Beyond (all of which at one point Mattel has indicated were going to be rereleased) or someone else -- even if those also were just 1 per case. I guarantee 1 (insert whatever character is still sitting on store shelves -- Kamandi, Iron, OMAC, etc.) + 1 Wonder Woman would sell better than 2 of that unpopular figure.

[iLegends73]

i would have done something simple. on the site, 3 different figures go up plus a CnC months before release. LET THE COSUMER VOTE!! since we (i say we as mostly adults) buy what they make, atleast we can choose what gets made. its MASSIVE characters in the DCU that could have been made. lastime i checked the big 3 + hal didnt make the whole universe. point blank

[Jmacq1]

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Originally Posted by ToyAddict

I don't want them either; however, they should have all been put out there already. Maybe around wave 17 they should have packed in New 52 Superman, wave 18 New 52 Wonder Woman, wave 19 New 52 Batman, and wave 20 New 52 Hal instead of the All-Star Hal we got. These toys should have been coming out when the new comics were coming out, and maybe a little before as a teaser. And then go into All-Stars with 1-2 other New 52 designs in each wave. It's the same stuff we complain @ Hasbro over for their handling of GI Joe Renegades -- those figures didn't come out till after the show's run was done (assuming it isn't coming back) AND they didn't make all the dozen or so core characters. (not making Baroness or Roadblock is unexcusable).

From my understanding, DC doesn't confer with Mattel on character designs. Mattel under normal circumstances doesn't get to see the new costumes/designs until the public does. Probably because DC wouldn't want Mattel to steal their thunder by unveiling the new designs before they did.

Under normal circumstances it's the same way with Marvel and Hasbro. Generally character designs are going to be about a year behind because of it. That's just the nature of the biz, and not Mattel's fault.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by thechris

I'll bet, I'll just bet that if you gave a kid a choice between a really shitty Wolverine sculpt (and Hasbro has produced a lot of them) vs. a great looking Hal Jordan sculpt from Four Horsemen and they'll still pick Wolverine.

Well, to be perfectly fair, Logan is far-and-away more popular than Hal right now. If you switched the comparison from Logan/Hal to Logan/Bruce or Logan/Clark, then you'd have a bit more of a challenge on your hands.

A big issue with DC (and it's been this way for years) is that their characters just aren't as relatable as Marvel characters. Before Peter got bit by that spider, he was a nerd who got bullied at school, dreamed about dating a girl who was way out of his league and excelled at science.

X-Men represented people who were treated poorly for who they were, rather than what they did. Fantastic Four was/is a family.

Point is, every one of those characters had flaws, weaknesses - they made mistakes. With DC, it's a joke and a Internet meme: in any fight, Batman wins. How many powers does Superman need again? Oh, he can make the Earth spin backwards and reverse time? Uh, sure dude. Have another hit and tell me more.

And don't get me wrong. DC has tried to humanize them on more than one occasion and largely succeeded in screwing up their continuity and pissing off the fans they already had.

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Originally Posted by ToyAddict

It's the same stuff we complain @ Hasbro over for their handling of GI Joe Renegades -- those figures didn't come out till after the show's run was done (assuming it isn't coming back) AND they didn't make all the dozen or so core characters. (not making Baroness or Roadblock is unexcusable).

They can't do a reasonable version of Renegades Roadblock in standard G.I.Joe format. He's too big, and Hasbro doesn't do over-sized figures for Joes. I agree about Baroness, though. Mindbender and Destro, too.

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Well, to be perfectly fair, Logan is far-and-away more popular than Hal right now. If you switched the comparison from Logan/Hal to Logan/Bruce or Logan/Clark, then you'd have a bit more of a challenge on your hands.

I agree with you on Wolverine vs. Batman but I'd say if it was Wolverine vs. Superman, I'd have to tip the scales towards Wolverine. I just don't think kids think Superman is "cool" anymore. It's like you said, no one can relate to him. He seems to lack personality. Even in his Justice League TAS incarnations, they've only succeeded in making him somewhat cool a handful of times like the one where he went to the future and met a reformed Vandal Savage. Otherwise, he just seems kind of annoying. He's an A-lister in the fact that everyone knows who he is, but as far as kids choosing him over Wolverine, I dunno about that one...

[boombatty]

The cost associate with producing DCUC based on sized is too high. As the recession still affects many buyers and rising crude prices jack up distribution costs there is no way to do larger figures at a lower price point. Hasbro stopped the Legends line do this very fact and created MU as costs were dramatically less and more product was shipped du to size. For DCUC to remain viable they need to follow the same model. The later DCIH figures were still too small at 3.75" but looked great (see DCIG Deathstroke). The final 75th figures wave of DCIH brought a new mold 4" with Robin but was already cancelled so it was too late. I believe this needs to be resusitated and continue the theme with more articulation like the lat version of DCIH Batman, Deathstroke, Capt. Atom, Flash etc at the 4" scale. Additionally the waves should follow the MU model, 5-6 figs with at least one heavy hitter to get the kids in (ala Batman, Superman and perhaps GL as MU uses Spiderman, Wolverine and Iron Man).
Then the rest of the roster can be filled out.
Wave 1 can test the waters with all heavy hitters to include Batman, Superman, GL, Flash and Lex Luthor and Joker. If successful follow it up quickly with another wave that can mix it up with Another Batman and Superman in black or blue and more obscure characters like Deathstroke, Capt Marvel, Reverse Flash, Aquaman and Wonder Woman. By waves 5/6 you can add in Some cool new stuff like Grifter, Midnighter, Azreal to the core figs.

Rinse/repeat and watch how you pull DC fans AND Marvel fans in.

[BigHanksCustoms]

If they were to reboot the 4inch line with at least the articulation of the Avengers movie figs, plus the sculpting/paint work on DCIH I'd be plowing through that line. Deathstroke was incredible, from a display point of view.

And do like Boombatty says, release all the big names in waves 1 &2, then start peppering in the "collector characters".

I also thought they had a great Idea with the Young Justice two packs that featured aCnC part(s) to make a 5-6 inch figure that sclaes with the MU/4inch scale.

Two packs are a nobriner with DC: Supes and Lex, Batman and Robin, Joker and Harley, etc.

I would love to have a larger DC collection but until they step up articulation at their price point they will always be slaughtered by MU.

[CMIII]

If I was Mattel I would rely on multi pack releases and I'm not talking a few rips or mud on a costume thats just Lame and Lazy. 2, 3, 4, 5, 12. I would go back and consider single pack rereleases of all figures wave 1 - 16 without C&C parts and sell C&C's like people do here this way people can get the figures they want without opening them and People who want the C&C's

[kdawg01970]

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Originally Posted by CMIII

And thats just Sportsmaster. All got the Diarama plus Accessories:

Speedy and Artemis - Bow and 4 arrows each
Aqualad: Water Constructs (Lack of a better term)
Robin: Bo and other Batman Related
Superboy: Unknown

Superboy comes with a broken muffler or at least thats what it looks like.lol I have always that the figures themselves are great but have to agree the selection of characters was lacking.

[SoundWave88]

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Originally Posted by BigHanksCustoms

If they were to reboot the 4inch line with at least the articulation of the Avengers movie figs, plus the sculpting/paint work on DCIH I'd be plowing through that line. Deathstroke was incredible, from a display point of view.

And do like Boombatty says, release all the big names in waves 1 &2, then start peppering in the "collector characters".

I also thought they had a great Idea with the Young Justice two packs that featured aCnC part(s) to make a 5-6 inch figure that sclaes with the MU/4inch scale.

Two packs are a nobriner with DC: Supes and Lex, Batman and Robin, Joker and Harley, etc.

I would love to have a larger DC collection but until they step up articulation at their price point they will always be slaughtered by MU.

I agree. The articulation is weak, about the same level as the free Best Buy figure from the animated movies! (I read that on another post from an Arker, maybe Tiberius, I thought he was joking til I checked, hehe). I would hope better than Avengers articulation and MU/SW/GIJ articulation. Focus on teams and release a healthy amount of villian's, just no cheesed out ones.