[Iceman]

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Originally Posted by synapse17

As far as the Deadpool image I think he's just further in the background so he appears smaller. But 6 4"??? I always thought Deadpool was around 6 foot. That seems massive for DP. Those are good representations of Wolverine's actual hight. I tried to find some images but couldn't really find anything that worked. But still, in many cases he's drawn taller. But all these images do show him thicker then what the XMO version has him at. I just don't like the figure. In the images I have of them the Cyclops and XMO Wolverine look very strange together. I own I think 5 of the XMO Wolverine figures and just can't stand them. If you swap out MU Wolverine's head with Daken's head he looks much better.

I just think all the little things ad up against the XMO version. I would love to see a new sculpt that gets it somewhere in-between and ads some rocker ankles and its good to go.

Definitely agree with you on those points. In "Wolverine and the X-Men" it is very stout. A lot like that "X-Men" picture I posted where he is talking to Spider-Man. At first I thought Deadpool was supposed to be farther away in that picture but they are all coming out of the portal at the same time and they look to be mostly in line. I think the artist just messed up trying to put Deadpool in farther back.

My main issue with the original mold was that giraffe neck. Whenever I look at my Daken it makes me sad. I just wish they had used the claws that came with Patch Logan from the Silver Samurai comic pack more. But really, Wolverine needs a wrist hinge for his claw action. I want a new mold but with new costumes like Ultimate Wolverine or AoA.


I do think the XMO is spot on for how he was drawn in the brown and tan days.

Of all the XMO figures, no one ever mention Maverick. I was really glad we got that guy and the figure is decent. I was so glad when they remade Sabertooth as that figure was just about perfect.

[RodimusVTS]

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Originally Posted by Iceman

I think there IS an editorial height range they want to keep him but very comic shots offer much size comparison. Just for kicks I went digging for some that I could find, mostly in recent comics. It varies but here is what I came up with. The pics with Wolverine and Cyclops next to each other probably work best for our purposes.










Several different artists and Wolverine's head comes up to just above Scott's shoulder. The image you posted shows the head of the first MU mold coming up to just above the visor. I tried to find some side-by-sides that showed Wolverine next to Cyke and being taller because I am pretty sure there are some but I didn't see any in my quick run through. The last picture with X-Force he does look taller than Deadpool but shorter than Psylocke (whom I thought was shorter than Deadpool). Take from it what you will.

Personally I get why people do and don't like the XMO mold and size. There are issues with it but the scale is much more preferable for most I think. A little bulkier, better claws, wrist hinge, and maybe a little taller would probably be perfect.

Damn, I have too much free time on my hands since I was laid off early.

*edit* Just checked and the Marvel.com lists Psylocke as 5'11" but Deadpool at 6'4" so that last picture makes no sense. Probably the artist just messed up with the depth perception of the image.

It has to do with the depth of the image. If you look closely Wolvie is about a step closer than Psylocke, and she is about 2-4 steps closer than Wade. They are all on the same plain, but as the walk towards the reader the floor is sloped towards you by the artist to add depth, and the illusion that there is a 3 dimensional image in front of you. You'll notice that all 5 of their waists are aligned this gives the artist a reference point, and allows them to draw them side by side at different depths, but not all in the same line as though they were up against a wall.

Sorry I kind of geeked out there I took the artist's work shop that Klause Jansen, and Howard Chaykin taught at the Baltimore Comic Con 2 yrs ago. They are really great guys, and I learned a ton that I didn't even know I didn't know even having been drawing all my life.

As for the discussion at hand my favorite Wolvie is the XMOW Astonishing Wolvie. The older MU Wolvie works for Daken since he's a little taller than his dad, but for Logan the Astonishing Wolvie is the figure to use. I do like the biker Wolvie too though.

[synapse17]

While we are on the subject.

[gunzilla]

I like xmo wolverine comic series in the white tank top and jeans

[synapse17]

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Originally Posted by gunzilla

I like xmo wolverine comic series in the white tank top and jeans

I like the one with the hat that came with the motorcycle.

[Colder Soldier]

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Originally Posted by gunzilla

I like xmo wolverine comic series in the white tank top and jeans

I really like that one and:

-Giant Size/Sentinel
-1st Appearance (both)
-First Class (hopefully to be replaced with AvX soon!)
-Madripoor/adventurer (hard to believe this is the first time we got this Wolvie costume EVER. I wish his face wasn't so fucked though.)

Another reason these XMO Logan bucks are so cool IMO is the consistency. They all seem to be made from the same mold, just slightly re-tooled for a few. All are roughly the same size and stature so it's obvious to tell it's the "same person". Unlike Spider-Man who seems to use a different buck for every costume.

The XMO Sabertooth is another awesome figure. His torso is kind've stunted- but they all can't be absolute perfection. When I first got him, he killed a lot of Joes taking the defected Storm Shadow's place in Cobra.

XMO Gambit is terrible. This figure goes go show how important wrist swivel really is. His is the type of figure we need a new (or highly retooled) version of.

[RodimusVTS]

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Originally Posted by synapse17

I like the one with the hat that came with the motorcycle.

That's the biker Wolvie I was talking about.

My biggest complaint about Wolvie is they haven't made a set of retractable claw arms for him.

[gunzilla]

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Originally Posted by RodimusVTS

That's the biker Wolvie I was talking about.

My biggest complaint about Wolvie is they haven't made a set of retractable claw arms for him.

Is that the biker wolverine 2 pack with sabertooth if so the short haired sabertooth is awesome

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by synapse17

In my opinion the only good XMO Wolverine is the Astonishing version. Which is actually a different mold then the other XMO Wolverine mold. It's taller and more detailed. That being said, all the XMO Wolverine molds are in my opinion too small and out of scale with the MU line. I know many disagree and think the hight is more in scale but not only is it too small but it looks puny when compared to other figures. It's not wide enough. I know the MU Wolverine is too tale but for the most part it looks more in scale. Also the style and paint of the MU version looks better with the other figures in the line.

Not sure why anyone would be against a new MU sculpt. We all know that so long as there's a MU line and XMO titles in the works, that there will be a bunch of Wolverine releases. Why not invest in a new sculpt when we all know it's going to get some serious milage, and just maybe they can get it somewhere in the goldilocks scale zone.

And as far as rocker ankles are concerned, they not only seem to be more sturdy than the lone peg joints, but they allow for a much wider range of movement and far more poses. And I'm sorry but who doesn't hate the single claw crap wit the XMO mold. I have to carve those out and it's easy to mess up. I would also say the paint apps on the XMO figures are poorly executed.

In the end I would say that to each their own, but why not support a new mold. It could turn out really sweet.

Agreed completely. The only XMO claws I liked were the ones used on Patch which I am almost certain was a canceled XMO figure which was already tooled and just pushed into the Marvel Universe line.

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Originally Posted by Colder Soldier

True- to each their own. Still, I would like to defend this Wolverine buck by offering counterpoints to some of your cons against it.

We should all be in agreement that the height of the figure is perfect for the character. But now he seems "puny". Wolvie isnt the Hulk. He would look very strange (and most dwarf-like) if they made him look both 5' tall and 5' wide. His weight looks perfectly proportionate when you really compare him with MU figures. Really. Go ahead. Break out an XMO Wolvie and compare him to- let's say- the new super-artic bucks everyone loves. Not only should you notice his arms, but also his waist is just as thick as the men supposedly near a foot taller. This fireplug is far from puny.

Even though we keep referring to them as XMO Wolverines, that line ended 3 years ago and most of the XMO bucks have now been released under the Marvel Universe banner. Thus for, the same figures we're discussing have MU paintjobs. I doubt paint would stick any better or go on any neater regardless of whether it's a new sculpt or not.

Sorry, I like the uni-claw as well. Much like with the rocker-ankle, a milimeter or two hardly seems worth the effort to afford such detail. Seeing that he actually has 3 seperate claws is okay I guess, but I'd rather see his claws (or claw) always straight and sturdy during play as opposed to every MU sculpt that's tried to give him flimsy seperated claws.

I give the nay-no to new Wolvie sculpts being the current "XMO" ones are nearly (dare I say) perfect. I'd rather see new tooling go to something we don't have. Like plain jumpsuits (Red Skull) which could double as many things including street clothes and prison gear. Business suits (Tony Stark)- the possibilities there are endless. And furry women (Wolfsbane, Feral).

Yeah but shortening the description of the XMO Wolverines by referring to them as XMO is a lot easier than repeatedly saying "the Marvel Universe Wolverines which were originally from the XMO line but repainted for the Marvel Universe line".

Everyone wants new tooling, hell this thread is about making new tooling for Wolverine. Why? It's because regardless of which character anyone wants, Wolverine is still popular, Hasbro is going to make more Wolverine figures and there is no sign of that stopping in the near future and beyond. I would rather see a new buck used instead of reusing the outdated XMO molds. If we are going to get more Wolverines, and we definitely are, I would rather have something more up to date. Give it the Avengers style hips and I would be happy too. This thread is about Wolverine getting a new buck, a new buck for other characters can be discussed in a new thread or existing thread where it was already brought up.

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Originally Posted by Iceman

I can give you that. Some artists do draw him that way though I don't prefer it. Wolverine and the X-Men has him a little wider than normal.

I think we can all agree that many MU figures have legs that are too thin.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by bmorr

well, if there is a toyline coming out for the next wolverine movie, you know they will still use the old molds. Look at the exclusive she hulk pack. Old wolverine figure with new colors.

I sure hope not. My fear for the Wolverine movie is articulation on par with the current Spiderman movie line, where only 1 4" figure is super articulated and the others are on par with Clone Wars or less.

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Originally Posted by synapse17

I like the XMO Astonishing Wolverine next to the DP from the two pack and the XMO Sabretooth. But outside of that grouping he just looks wrong to me.

I guess in the end it's just up to the individual. But new molds are always cool.

I think at this point we got most of what we could get from the XMO mold. Sure Hasbro could repaint the body and reuse the unmasked head again, in fact that would be cool. However what else can they do aside from that? Maybe a repaint in the 80's brown costume colors, like they did for the Icons line. Even so, I think Hasbro is close to maxing out the repaint/retool possibilities for that mold. They could do that variation where the gloves/boots have thin lining.

[RodimusVTS]

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Originally Posted by gunzilla

Is that the biker wolverine 2 pack with sabertooth if so the short haired sabertooth is awesome

Yep that's the one.

[Colder Soldier]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Agreed completely. The only XMO claws I liked were the ones used on Patch which I am almost certain was a canceled XMO figure which was already tooled and just pushed into the Marvel Universe line.

Those are a good example of why I don't care for seperated claws. It hardly seems worth it to try for the detail of seperated claws if the finished product looks like 3 chunky, limp, silver hotdogs.

BTW- I'd love to trade someone a set of those "Patch seperated claw hands" for a pair of the "XMO Spec Ops Wolvie uni-claw hands" if anyone is interested.

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Yeah but shortening the description of the XMO Wolverines by referring to them as XMO is a lot easier than repeatedly saying "the Marvel Universe Wolverines which were originally from the XMO line but repainted for the Marvel Universe line".

I know that, friend. That's the exact point I was trying to make in regard to the poster's qualm against the XMO body paint apps. That point was regardless if it was an XMO buck or a brand new MU buck, paint would apply just the same.

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Everyone wants new tooling, hell this thread is about making new tooling for Wolverine. Why? It's because regardless of which character anyone wants, Wolverine is still popular, Hasbro is going to make more Wolverine figures and there is no sign of that stopping in the near future and beyond. I would rather see a new buck used instead of reusing the outdated XMO molds. If we are going to get more Wolverines, and we definitely are, I would rather have something more up to date. Give it the Avengers style hips and I would be happy too. This thread is about Wolverine getting a new buck, a new buck for other characters can be discussed in a new thread or existing thread where it was already brought up.

Also understood. I'm just trying to pinpoint why you think Wolverine needs new buck. You say the XMO buck is outdated. I feel the total opposite. I think it's the closest thing to a perfect figure likeness that any MU character has. There have been plenty of toys made that were much worse than their like predecessor. The new MU female bodies are a great example of that. If Logan did get a new buck, in all likelihood, I feel it probably be much worse. I'm sure a lot of people would feel differently being they'd prefer hotdog claws, broker-ankles, and 6" proportions on 1/18th scale figures.

[NoodleChow]

i'd be down for a new wolverine buck for sure.
-the claws i'd say i'm happy with how the astonishing wolverine has em. at this scale, most of the free floating ones like patch and the MU styled ones look and look kinda off. if they're close together with the inbetweens filled in with black, i feel they look pretty good. he needs closed fists as well.
-in terms of articulation, they just need to give him the up to date joints like rocker ankles, hinged wrists, and hinged neck on top of the rest.
also a new body would mean they'd be able to make him stockier if possible.

actually fixed up my wolverine how i'd sorta want it and kept his height. he sports swivel calves and rocker ankles, MU legs, hinged wrists, and a hinged neck. basically modded him to be closer to the MU style and to rival my ML astonishing wolvie in poseability.

[synapse17]

@ Colder Soldier. The XMO mold is perfect??? This one comment delegitimizes anything and everything you have and will ever say. And for the record none of my MU Wolvies have limp claws. And thanks for pointing out that Wolverine is not the Hulk. I was so confused...

I don't want a new XMO Wolverine buck. I want a new MU Wolverine buck. You know the better funded line that uses better plastic and paint applications. And I'm not sure if you've noticed but more surface area on the XMO molds are left unpainted because they use colored plastic. This much like the scale of the figures in the line causes them to stand out from the MU figures.

As fare as the whole worse predecessor thing you mentioned, I know we all hate the new DD, Punisher, Cyclops, and Ultimate Spider-Man figs... Also I like the new female buck.

@ NoodleChow. Awesome work on the Wolverine. He looks much better. And as always I'm creaming my paints for that Gambit.

[Colder Soldier]

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Originally Posted by synapse17

@ Colder Soldier. The XMO mold is perfect??? This one comment delegitimizes anything and everything you have and will ever say.

Closest. Closest to perfect in comparison to most other characters. It's closest due to it being a great, realistically proportioned sculpt. The scale is very true to the character taking account for his unusual size. No he doesn't have rocker-ankles, double jointed wrists or puckering asshole, but the artic it does have is more than adequate and fully functional for 3.5", 2 oz action figure. Close to perfect. Take into account I said close. From now on account and comprehend for every word. My gauge at your comprehension level plus your previous failures at a knowledgable counterpoint is why I had already delegitimized your argument and stopped addressing/quoting you directly. Until now.

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Originally Posted by synapse17

And for the record none of my MU Wolvies have limp claws.I don't want a new XMO Wolverine buck. I want a new MU Wolverine buck. You know the better funded line that uses better plastic and paint applications. And I'm not sure if you've noticed but more surface area on the XMO molds are left unpainted because they use colored plastic. This much like the scale of the figures in the line causes them to stand out from the MU figures.

Sigh. So the MU bucks use better plastic than the XMO bucks used in the MU line becuase they're still funded by the movie and the XMO figures all molded in colored plastic so the paint... ???? Aww fuck it. I'll just won't even try with you and this one anymore. Can someone explain to me what he's talking about?

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Originally Posted by synapse17

As fare as the whole worse predecessor thing you mentioned, I know we all hate the new DD, Punisher, Cyclops, and Ultimate Spider-Man figs... Also I like the new female buck.

Of the plenty toys I mentioned I said failed to meet the quality of their predecessors, none of the figures you named apply IMO. So I'm either in disagreement with you and whoever "we all" are who truly hates those figures. Or I'm in total agreement with you despite the elementary attempt at snarky rebuttal. Lol.

I don't want to argue. Just trying to have a worthy debate among the MU community. But Synapse I'm done with. I won't quote or address you anymore as long as you do the same. I'll give you one more since I'm sure you have to get the last word (no matter how ridiculous...).

[synapse17]

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Originally Posted by Colder Soldier

Closest. Closest to perfect in comparison to most other characters. It's closest due to it being a great, realistically proportioned sculpt. The scale is very true to the character taking account for his unusual size. No he doesn't have rocker-ankles, double jointed wrists or puckering asshole, but the artic it does have is more than adequate and fully functional for 3.5", 2 oz action figure. Close to perfect. Take into account I said close. From now on account and comprehend for every word. My gauge at your comprehension level plus your previous failures at a knowledgable counterpoint is why I had already delegitimized your argument and stopped addressing/quoting you directly. Until now.



Sigh. So the MU bucks use better plastic than the XMO bucks used in the MU line becuase they're still funded by the movie and the XMO figures all molded in colored plastic so the paint... ???? Aww fuck it. I'll just won't even try with you and this one anymore. Can someone explain to me what he's talking about?



Of the plenty toys I mentioned I said failed to meet the quality of their predecessors, none of the figures you named apply IMO. So I'm either in disagreement with you and whoever "we all" are who truly hates those figures. Or I'm in total agreement with you despite the elementary attempt at snarky rebuttal. Lol.

I don't want to argue. Just trying to have a worthy debate among the MU community. But Synapse I'm done with. I won't quote or address you anymore as long as you do the same. I'll give you one more since I'm sure you have to get the last word (no matter how ridiculous...).

You've used the word perfect twice in regards to the XMO sculpt. In terms of his hight and again referencing the likeness. I wont try and read your mind or have an argument in semantics. But this fact accompanied by your constant unwavering defense of the XMO mold and failure to recognize any flaws paints a pretty clear picture. What I will do is make this final point. You know, "get my last word in." Feel free to respond or not.

I have addressed issues I like and dislike about both the XMO mold and the MU mold. Nether do it for me. I do favor the MU mold over the XMO version. But I have repeatedly tried to respect those who disagree. It's subjective and I'm all for options. That's why I'm in favor of a new mold. Hoping it will come out better then the two other molds. Considering we have most all versions in both molds, I'm ready to spend my money on something new. As far as my "snarky" remarks, I was trying to point out the failed logic of your comment. You're words were "plenty of toys." A bit general, but I thought that would include the MU line. So excuse me for not following you. My point was that the line has improved the quality of it's molds with the recent addition of the DD mold, and others, and I was hoping it could do the same with Wolverine.

I think those of us in favor of a new mold are entitled to that desire. You may disagree but your opinion isn't the end all be all. I have addressed most all you have said. Agreeing with much of what you've said. Still my opinion remains the same. You have been rude and dismissive throughout this whole debate. And not only to me. I may have made one "snarky" comment but in no way have I disrespected you, your opinion, or called you names and used profanity to call out others. You have done all these things.

So in closing I would just like to say, that despite your impressive arguments and eloquent debating skills, you have failed to change my mind.

So take your asinine behavior and go fu@k yourself.

[Optimus Vader]

I'd like an updated Wolvie too. I don't think anyone would argue that the XMO Wolvie isn't great in terms of scale, but considering the character, it's time for an update. Keep him the same size, but give him a little NoodleChow love. Or at least rocker ankles.

[bmorr]

as long as wolvie is still short. the first MU release was too tall.