[CLASSIFIED]

Seems a little too pat to be a real alien aircraft IMO. Multiple angles, steady cams... how did they know to set up the multiple cams all at once, and how were they able to steady them in order to film?

You really can't make out what it is there filming... it actually looks like it is being lowered, and then yanked up quickly like it was on a line or something.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

Did you even watch the 1:11 meeting? I ask because your talking about everything else except what was said in that meeting. And 2 had 1st hand eye-witness accounts of UFOs, that nuclear missles were shut down. I'm focusing on just that piece or evidence. If you can debunk all 8 speakers, be my guest.

It's still just unexplained phenomena- not evidence of aliens.

Believe me, I'd LOVE for aliens to be really contacting humanity- I think it would be a profound and uplifting global experience...but so far, there's just zero real evidence for it.
Even trained observers get their recollections all screwed up the more they repeat them- this happens in courtrooms all the time- some piece of video will refute a witness testimony: with no deception involved. People build memories the way we do dreams- as we recall events, we embellish them slightly- making them more interesting, minimizing our gaffs and embarassments, etc.

Ever see a couple try to relate a shared experience? They will correct each other and remind each other of facts omitted from their own version of events- and neither will really be 100% accurate.

That in mind, watch Charles Halt speak- he's got his whole story down- he's said this tale so many times that he needs no notes on an event from over twenty years ago...and I dont find such recounting very credible as result. Even guys like FBI agents need to review their notes and logs for testifying on events far less complex than this.
Halt says he thinks what he saw may be extra-dimensional in nature. I find that far more likely than extra terresterial (as the object he describes was only three meters across and split apart into three bright lights)...and that's not too likely.

The Roswell stuff...man that's played. I dont trust anyting from that incident- so amny USAF people have claimed to have seen this or that- their stories never match up. Nor are the people that say the "aliens" were dummies given any time in this video- only true believers allowed!

So yeah, I want irrefutable vieo evidence of the aliens themselves.
Maybe blood samples too.

When looking at video footage, consider DARPA- and every country has their own version of it- hundreds of billions of dollars each year spent on black ops research- they make things so damn nutty as to sound like bad sci fi- stuff like infrasound and behavior modification through color adjustment. Stuff like that cute little unmanned space shuttle that UFO buffs called "the Aruora Project" for adecade or so- saying it was a captured UFO or some US built UFO.

And it was- it was literally an Unidentified Flying Object- triangular in shape- moving at speeds unheard of: speeds that would kill and pilot. It was black and unmarked too.

But there were no aliens involved.

It's much much more likely that all of these strange and astonishing things are quite terreterial in nature.

Also, keep an open, skeptical mind when looking at such videos as the ones you linked- youtube is choc full of talented UFO fakers- some even own up to it. They punk people all the time.
(not that all are faked- but certainly many)

Listen to the video flake out at abour 46 minutes in- they start talking about "evidence of atomic warfare in the ancient war at least three times". I call Buuuuullllsssshhhhit.

[D00MTR0N]

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Originally Posted by IhsantheCursed

You cant see your brain. Its there. Trust me. You cant see the wind. Its there. Trust me. You cant see atoms or a virus either. But these also exist.

The fact is that countless things in the universe exist invisable to us with or without human knowledge of them. Are there aliens? Maybe. Use logic, and any evidence presented, to determine which , and what, works best for you. Please, however, do not cower into the false-intellectual notions of an "Atheistic" veiwpoint to solidify your argument. It belittles those who feel differently. While I respect any veiw you have, I also ask you respect those of others aswell. Beliefs have accomplished mankind much my friend. Man believed that he could land on the moon. He did. Ghandi believed that he could protest without violence. He did. Whats truly dangerous is a rigid, unadaptable, and narrow-minded veiw of life and its workings, as the very nature of the universe itself is always changing, and expanding.

it is a deeper statement that refers to a belief or faith if you will,if you believe and or have faith in something it allows your mind to rest in a false state of peace,you feel you have reached or attained wisdom on a certain viewpoint and therefore no longer need to use your mind to keep searching,digging for an answer,the point is to always be searching,never think you have the answer,I never once in this thread said I do not believe in alien life,I do think there could be life out there,I on the other hand do not believe stories of greys with bug eyes snatching people up,so do not take the words for face value and look a little deeper into the meaning of what I said though I ask you not to refer to my viewpoint as rigid,unadaptable and narrow minded for when you do you are putting yourself in the position of one on a high horse who thinks because he does not share in the same "belief" that the other is wrong,you have in a way proven my point,you "believe" and have faith in things and because I share a different view I am the rigid narrow minded one?

@classified,I said these are campfire stories
not that I believe in them,your use of the word in this instance is off and you know it,again,please do not insult my intellegance.

[CLASSIFIED]

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Originally Posted by D00MTR0N

@classified,I said these are campfire stories
not that I believe in them,your use of the word in this instance is off and you know it,again,please do not insult my intellegance.

I'm not insulting your intelligence, just pointing out that your statement about belief, and it's negative consequences must also apply to yourself.

What if aliens do abduct humans and probe them analy?

Your belief that the stories are nothing more than stories will have shut your mind down to the truth.

You shouldn't chastize someone for their beliefs, or beliefs in general while openly admitting to having beliefs of your own.

It was more of a gentle rib, from me to you, than an attempt to insult your intelligence, though.

Just saying

[D00MTR0N]

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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED

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You shouldn't chastize someone for their beliefs, or beliefs in general while openly admitting to having beliefs of your own.

nor should you,and you should also read my last post about my belief statement and what it really means before making blind accusations tward me.

I'm just saying!

[Tiberius]

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Originally Posted by CLASSIFIED

You believe that the stories of Greys are just camp fire stories, has your mind stopped working?



Sometimes I feel guilty after watching a Bigfoot show because it dawns on me that if they had filmed him I would have heard about it before stumbling upon the show while I was flipping. Also, I don't believe Canadians really exist.



Don't get my thread locked down with talk of religion, please.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is so flipping EPIC. That was legit, I applaud you.



But yea, I ended up deleting one of my posts because it had religion in it. Never knew it was very touchy...

[Tiberius]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

Anybody watch the Jerusalem UFO Videos I posted? I want to know what people think that is? I think it's a UFO given the different angles and the reaction from the crowd. But I'm open to any other possiblities, if it makes sense.

What it could be? Dimensional travelers, but that is my DC fanboy side talking haha. Could be some unknown earthly event that only happens every 500 years or so, which is just a play on the setting sun, bouncing off god knows what, and it just so happens to be right over that building. Or, it really could be aliens, just wanting to pop in for tea and crumpets, then realized "oh hey...wrong place, SORRY earthlings!" *ZOOM*.

[Fedup23]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

What do you want, Video, First Hand Accounts, Proof on CNN and FOX? Sorry to disaapoint FEDup but the Meeting at the Nation Press Club is the Best Proof I can show you. If that's not, nothing short of an alien body will convince you, and I'm freah out of those.

Quit calling it PROOF!!!

....and that whole account is heavily refuted by others who were also there!!!!

take off the blinders.

[Fedup23]

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Originally Posted by nakobass

So you have to see it with your own eyes to even consider it. Fair Enough.
By that logic Micheal Jackson is alive, Giant Squids don't exist, Prison is a great place to visit because all the stories I hear are just made up. China doesn't exist either. I never seen any of those things with my own eyes, so people must be making it All up.

Will Smith exist, I actually met him, but he must not exist if you haven't seen him.

I am starting to understand why you are such a staunch believer.

There is no more reason to try to use logic with you , you subscribe to a completely different idea of "proof" than most people.

Cheers.

[Tiberius]

You two got to stop calling each other out. Has anyone ever thought that proof can be different between people? Those 3 videos he posted with the UFO is more than enough proof, TO HIM, that aliens exist. To you? Nope, but guess what, that is more than ok. Logic varies between people too, that is what makes the human race so damn interesting.

[D00MTR0N]

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Originally Posted by Fedup23

There is no more reason to try to use logic with you , you subscribe to a completely different idea of "proof" than most people.

I agree with you.

[CLASSIFIED]

So where does that leave us as far as people who have stories of alien abductions?

Are they lying? Are they hallucinating? Are they crazy? Are they just missinterpetting what they really saw? Is it possible that any of them are recounting an actual experience?

These are all questions for the non believers.

[nakobass]

I'm Done, To each his own. Just trying to let you guys know what going on out there. That's all. Sooner or later the truth with come out. I just hope I'm not long dead by then.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

You two got to stop calling each other out. Has anyone ever thought that proof can be different between people? Those 3 videos he posted with the UFO is more than enough proof, TO HIM, that aliens exist. To you? Nope, but guess what, that is more than ok. Logic varies between people too, that is what makes the human race so damn interesting.

There's not any difference in "proof" between people- that's silly.
That's like saying there's a difference in the elements from prson to person- things areeither facts or they are not. Proof is someting that can be verified by anyone.
Not second hand accounts- or easily faked videos.

What you describe is not proof, but belief- a man's personal reality- his belefs can seen as unshakable as real evidence, but it's just another name for opinion.

And we know the saying about opinions and assholes....everyone has one, and everyone else's stinks!

[Tiberius]

It is really hard to make my point without breaking a rule and bringing religion into it. But proof does vary from person to person. I don't know what you are thinking I meant, but a single proof can prove something to some one else, and not the other, because of a belief, or stubbornness. That is what I was aiming for, not the proof itself, but the person.

"I saw a UFO!"

"Really? Where is the proof?"

"Here!" *shows video*

"That proves nothing"

"That is proof, what more do you need?!"

"Bacon"

The End

[IhsantheCursed]

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Originally Posted by D00MTR0N

it is a deeper statement that refers to a belief or faith if you will,if you believe and or have faith in something it allows your mind to rest in a false state of peace,you feel you have reached or attained wisdom on a certain viewpoint and therefore no longer need to use your mind to keep searching,digging for an answer,the point is to always be searching,never think you have the answer,I never once in this thread said I do not believe in alien life,I do think there could be life out there,I on the other hand do not believe stories of greys with bug eyes snatching people up,so do not take the words for face value and look a little deeper into the meaning of what I said though I ask you not to refer to my viewpoint as rigid,unadaptable and narrow minded for when you do you are putting yourself in the position of one on a high horse who thinks because he does not share in the same "belief" that the other is wrong,you have in a way proven my point,you "believe" and have faith in things and because I share a different view I am the rigid narrow minded one?

@classified,I said these are campfire stories
not that I believe in them,your use of the word in this instance is off and you know it,again,please do not insult my intellegance.

Well if thats how you choose to see it thats fine. Its certainly your right. However I feel that while "searching", and digging for truth is always a good idea, it can also , through a prolonged period, lead to an overall over-analization of said topic. Which, imo, leads to mistakes and at times an incorrect understanding. Just maybe a man feels he has a certain amount of wisdom on a subject because he HAS come to a deeper understanding sir.

I dont know what you mean by the second part of your responce. Clearly you have taken what I said as an attack on your P.O.V. ...as it was intended... because it was you who basically stated that haveing a set of beliefs is foolish. This to me is foolishness friend. Because I do have those I am..."on a highhorse"? Or is it because I touched a nerve? Be carefull so as to not place various words in my mouth. The truth has been known to sting from time to time brother. From what Ive read (everything youve said here that is) , imo, your veiwpoint is narrow-minded , and unadaptable sir. Thats just my opinion. Its not meant to be an attack on your character by any means. Im sure your a fine fellow. You simply have a way of seeing things that I tend to disagree with entirely. Personal preference. Feel totally free to say the same of myself without fear of offence (now whether or not that accusation would hold any weight as I feel mine does is another matter lol). In short: You think Im wrong. I think your wrong. In my opinion Ive proven this. In your eyes youve proven your POV. Whether or not I feel its a foolish one is inconsequential. It shouldnt keep you up at night sir. lol...it wont me reguardless of what you think of my statements.

[Jason Abbadon]

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

It is really hard to make my point without breaking a rule and bringing religion into it. But proof does vary from person to person. I don't know what you are thinking I meant, but a single proof can prove something to some one else, and not the other, because of a belief, or stubbornness. That is what I was aiming for, not the proof itself, but the person.

"I saw a UFO!"

"Really? Where is the proof?"

"Here!" *shows video*

"That proves nothing"

"That is proof, what more do you need?!"

"Bacon"

The End

Not just bacon- that proves nothing.
Alien bacon.

That smoky extraterresterial flavor makes anyone a believer.

[Tiberius]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Not just bacon- that proves nothing.
Alien bacon.

That smoky extraterresterial flavor drives makes anyone a believer.

I know what I am having for a snack when I go UFO hunting..

[IhsantheCursed]

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Originally Posted by Jason Abbadon

Not just bacon- that proves nothing.
Alien bacon.

That smoky extraterresterial flavor drives makes anyone a believer.

Quoted for excellence, and awarded a PhD in smart-assedness. lol

[CLASSIFIED]

Here's a link to the book if you're interested:

Aliens Among Us, by ExRob

[D00MTR0N]

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Originally Posted by IhsantheCursed

Well if thats how you choose to see it thats fine. Its certainly your right. However I feel that while "searching", and digging for truth is always a good idea, it can also , through a prolonged period, lead to an overall over-analization of said topic. Which, imo, leads to mistakes and at times an incorrect understanding. Just maybe a man feels he has a certain amount of wisdom on a subject because he HAS come to a deeper understanding sir.

I dont know what you mean by the second part of your responce. Clearly you have taken what I said as an attack on your P.O.V. ...as it was intended... because it was you who basically stated that haveing a set of beliefs is foolish. This to me is foolishness friend. Because I do have those I am..."on a highhorse"? Or is it because I touched a nerve? Be carefull so as to not place various words in my mouth. The truth has been known to sting from time to time brother. From what Ive read (everything youve said here that is) , imo, your veiwpoint is narrow-minded , and unadaptable sir. Thats just my opinion. Its not meant to be an attack on your character by any means. Im sure your a fine fellow. You simply have a way of seeing things that I tend to disagree with entirely. Personal preference. Feel totally free to say the same of myself without fear of offence (now whether or not that accusation would hold any weight as I feel mine does is another matter lol). In short: You think Im wrong. I think your wrong. In my opinion Ive proven this. In your eyes youve proven your POV. Whether or not I feel its a foolish one is inconsequential. It shouldnt keep you up at night sir. lol...it wont me reguardless of what you think of my statements.

[Joe Moore]

If this continues in the of thinly veiled religious arguments, it will be closed.

[greenstuff]

personally i think we are the aliens and have been visited many times over time
how else can we explain the carvings and paintings of 'spacemen' from nearly every culture going back to the earlist cave paintings, all these figure closely resemble each other but are hundreds of years and continents apart

[kenm2474]

Aliens?......Yes I believe that we are not the only living beings in the Universe. Hell we have not even explored the entirety of our own Planet so with that and not even seeing whats out beyond our own Galaxy is Naive at its best to think we are Alone.

[Thugnificent]

Sorry if this has been brought up before, this thread is pretty long.

Anyone ever heard of Robert Lazar? Even if he there is doubt in his credibility, his videos are very enthralling.