[Tony_Bacala]

Full Photo Shoot of FF Spider Man
Marvel Legends Future Foundation Spider Man Photo Shoot


Marvel Legends Future Foundation Spider Man

Had to do it on an off color because of the whiteness. Well, I chose to anyway because white on white is more trouble than it's worth.

Had a little fun with this one rather than the more traditional shoots we've done.

Hope you dig, love this figure. Later!

[Shin Densetsu]

One of the best, if not thee best figure from wave 2. I bet Hasbro plans to repaint it as Symbiote Spiderman which I don't mind. The BAF RULK version is awesome but this body is actually more flexible.

LOVE how it doesn't feel flimsy like most of the other figures in this wave. Cap would've been best had the plastic been tougher.

[Tony_Bacala]

Nice solid figure to me. I don't have any of the other new Marvel Legends since they started coming back out, so can't compare the quality of plastic. But, it's on par with other 6 inch and general non-transforming figs I have.

[Runamuck]

I have yet to pick up this figure, but it does look like one of the better offerings from this wave. Makes me want to pick up one of those "McFarlane" Spidey figures even more. ToyBiz's Spider-Man is still unmatched.

[Phantomcrow]

So who is going to custom this into an Anti-Venom???

[behindthemask]

I can't wait till mine arrives! Got a lot of goodies arriving within the next week or 2.

[Morzilla]

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Originally Posted by Phantomcrow

So who is going to custom this into an Anti-Venom???

oooohhh I think you might just have inspired a lot of ppl on here, can't wait to see!!!

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by Tony_Bacala

Nice solid figure to me. I don't have any of the other new Marvel Legends since they started coming back out, so can't compare the quality of plastic. But, it's on par with other 6 inch and general non-transforming figs I have.

Wave 2 had a notable reduction in quality, Heroic Age Captain America and Fantomex are very very flimsy. Daken, Thunderball and Drax are solid, with Daken and Spidey almost on par with each other. Wave 1 had more solid figures with regards to materials.

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Originally Posted by Phantomcrow

So who is going to custom this into an Anti-Venom???

Anti Venom needs to be bigger.

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Originally Posted by runamuck

I have yet to pick up this figure, but it does look like one of the better offerings from this wave. Makes me want to pick up one of those "McFarlane" Spidey figures even more. ToyBiz's Spider-Man is still unmatched.

None of the Toy Biz Spiderman figures have rocker ankles like FF/BT Spidey.Mcfarlane Spidey was awesome but mine had a stuck lower leg joint which later broke off. Not cool.

Luckily this FF/BT Spidey mold is MUCH better in terms of quality and materials.

I can already see a black Spiderman repaint and retool into Iron Spidey out of this mold. That head sculpt is close to perfect for both.

Hell with a new vest, web launchers, belt, and leg straps this could easily be the basis for a long overdue Scarlet Spider update.

[Optimus Vader]

I really like this one too. For me, FF Spidey and Commander Rogers are the two bests from the "Return" of ML line.

I agree with the plastic quality when it comes to Bucky. I actually think he was intended to be in the Cap/Thor Legends movie line from last summer (those walmart exclusives).

[thechris]

In a way, these almost look like complete reboots of the Marvel Legends line. FF Spider-man looks pretty slick. The paint applications appear much cleaner and less slopped on. Taking a page out of Mattel's DC Classics handbook, IMO. I'd consider jumping onboard if I knew they were doing remakes of all their past released figures in this fashion. I still have a few issues with their face sculpts, though. I've been spoiled by Four Horsemen, I think.

[Mumble-bee]

What does the webline come from? (In case I already have one somewhere in my collection, to use with this figure when I finally find it)

[Tony_Bacala]

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Originally Posted by Mumble-bee

What does the webline come from? (In case I already have one somewhere in my collection, to use with this figure when I finally find it)

It comes from the first Spider Man movie figure, pre-Hasbro. It was a 4.5/5 inch fig, came with a building gargoyle with a retractable zip line all in one package. And the building part had a clamp you could put on a shelf and hang spidey from. I still have that, works perfectly with this.

I think Hasbro also released a version of it in their early spidey waves too.

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by Optimus Vader

I really like this one too. For me, FF Spidey and Commander Rogers are the two bests from the "Return" of ML line.

I agree with the plastic quality when it comes to Bucky. I actually think he was intended to be in the Cap/Thor Legends movie line from last summer (those walmart exclusives).

The sad thing is, Fantomex is just as flimsy.

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Originally Posted by thechris

In a way, these almost look like complete reboots of the Marvel Legends line. FF Spider-man looks pretty slick. The paint applications appear much cleaner and less slopped on. Taking a page out of Mattel's DC Classics handbook, IMO. I'd consider jumping onboard if I knew they were doing remakes of all their past released figures in this fashion. I still have a few issues with their face sculpts, though. I've been spoiled by Four Horsemen, I think.

In a way they are. It seems like Hasbro is intent on redoing characters whose figures haven't aged well. For example, the best tiger stripe Wolverine is the one they made in 08 for the BAF RULK wave. That Wolverine was a retool of brown costume Wolverine, and was more in-scale than the Toy Biz ML tiger stripe Wolverine. The 1st Spiderman Classics black Spiderman didn't have bicep swivels, and later Toy Biz made a version with a ton of joints that were unsightly and ruined the sculpt. Then in the BAF RULK wave, Hasbro made a new one which had the best sculot of the 3 and more articulation than the 1st without overdoing it like the 2nd.

I get the feeling another Captain America is on the way using the Bucky Cap/US Agent mold.

[webz]

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Originally Posted by Morzilla

oooohhh I think you might just have inspired a lot of ppl on here, can't wait to see!!!

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

Anti Venom needs to be bigger.

That's what I thought it was before I read the headline. I'm totally unfamiliar with the storyline to this costume, but I did see Marvel Select's Antivenom at Suncoast Movies years ago. That figure wasn't particularly ultra muscular. Venom is an odd case... Unlike Hulk or Juggernaut who is always big, or Spider-Man and Nightcrawler who are always thin and nimble, Venom and Anti-Venom really drastically change mass depending on the artist. McFarlane's Venom was a compact, solidly built body builder. Erik Larson tossed on the crazy fangs and enhanced the bulk. Bagley toned Venom down to a slightly more bulked version of Spider-Man, but far more of an athletic build rather than the power build.

Normally I have no problem with different interpretation of a character, but during a story arc (such as Maximum Carnage), having such drastic artistic changes got to be annoying, and was one of the reasons I stopped collecting comics in the 90's.

That being said, this could easy be made into Anti-Venom... I just looked at the first cover with anti-venom, and he wasn't particularly huge (perhaps still recovering from cancer treatment?)... maybe someone could do this version...

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by webz

That's what I thought it was before I read the headline. I'm totally unfamiliar with the storyline to this costume, but I did see Marvel Select's Antivenom at Suncoast Movies years ago. That figure wasn't particularly ultra muscular. Venom is an odd case... Unlike Hulk or Juggernaut who is always big, or Spider-Man and Nightcrawler who are always thin and nimble, Venom and Anti-Venom really drastically change mass depending on the artist. McFarlane's Venom was a compact, solidly built body builder. Erik Larson tossed on the crazy fangs and enhanced the bulk. Bagley toned Venom down to a slightly more bulked version of Spider-Man, but far more of an athletic build rather than the power build.

Normally I have no problem with different interpretation of a character, but during a story arc (such as Maximum Carnage), having such drastic artistic changes got to be annoying, and was one of the reasons I stopped collecting comics in the 90's.

That being said, this could easy be made into Anti-Venom... I just looked at the first cover with anti-venom, and he wasn't particularly huge (perhaps still recovering from cancer treatment?)... maybe someone could do this version...

I was a little kid when Maximum Carnage came out. I actually remembered thinking it was pretty graphic and ultra-violent. Some of the characters were super scary. Anyway, yeah, the art on that definitely varied. Even as a kid, I knew some of the artwork on certain issues were somewhat lacking. Some of the worst art I'd ever seen came from this Fantastic Four comic I had that featured a long story about Submariner invading and looked like it was inked with ultra thick permanent marker.

This inconsistency seems to leak into the toy realm, especially with Marvel Legends. The sculpts are so different... a lot of times, in a bad way (in my opinion)... I think this design looks pretty good. It's when Marvel does it's signature move of putting heroes into street clothes that pisses me off. Oh, let's put Spiderman in a hoodie, let's put Dr. Strange in a trenchcoat. Let's leave everyone in their superhero costumes but give them all matching brown jackets. Let's put everyone in jeans and a T-shirt. At least in DC, only Superboy seems to do this look. Yeah, FF Spiderman looks pretty good.

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by webz

That's what I thought it was before I read the headline. I'm totally unfamiliar with the storyline to this costume, but I did see Marvel Select's Antivenom at Suncoast Movies years ago. That figure wasn't particularly ultra muscular. Venom is an odd case... Unlike Hulk or Juggernaut who is always big, or Spider-Man and Nightcrawler who are always thin and nimble, Venom and Anti-Venom really drastically change mass depending on the artist. McFarlane's Venom was a compact, solidly built body builder. Erik Larson tossed on the crazy fangs and enhanced the bulk. Bagley toned Venom down to a slightly more bulked version of Spider-Man, but far more of an athletic build rather than the power build.

Normally I have no problem with different interpretation of a character, but during a story arc (such as Maximum Carnage), having such drastic artistic changes got to be annoying, and was one of the reasons I stopped collecting comics in the 90's.

That being said, this could easy be made into Anti-Venom... I just looked at the first cover with anti-venom, and he wasn't particularly huge (perhaps still recovering from cancer treatment?)... maybe someone could do this version...

The way the characters were portrayed definitely differed between artists, but I always thought Eddie Brock(Anti-Venom, formerly Venom), was bigger and taller than Peter Parker.

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

The way the characters were portrayed definitely differed between artists, but I always thought Eddie Brock(Anti-Venom, formerly Venom), was bigger and taller than Peter Parker.

Yep, he was a muscle freak for a while so definitely bulkier. He was pumping weights like mad when he was spazzing on Spider-man even before he became Venom. Yep. He's gotta be bulky. No Topher Grace mini-Venom for me.

[webz]

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Originally Posted by Shin Densetsu

The way the characters were portrayed definitely differed between artists, but I always thought Eddie Brock(Anti-Venom, formerly Venom), was bigger and taller than Peter Parker.

Like I said, Bagley drew him slightly more muscular than Spidey, slightly taller, but more of an athletic build.

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Originally Posted by thechris

Yep, he was a muscle freak for a while so definitely bulkier. He was pumping weights like mad when he was spazzing on Spider-man even before he became Venom. Yep. He's gotta be bulky. No Topher Grace mini-Venom for me.

Well, Topher Grace's build and look was from the Ultimate line, but his story arc and personality were perfectly in sync with the regular continuity. Funny too, since Raimi wanted nothing to do with Venom, but it was Venom who received the least amount of tinkering compared to Goblin, Doc Ock, and Sandman.

Movie Brock: Whiny opportunist, who can't accept responsibility for his own actions.
Comics Brock: Whiny opportunist, who can't accept responsibility for his own actions.

Movie Brock: Addicted to the feeling of power the symbiote gave him.
Comics Brock: Addicted to the feeling of power the symbiote gave him.

Movie Venom: One liners, anger management issues, easily overpowers Spidey with brute strength.
Comics Venom: One liners, anger management issues, easily overpowers Spidey with brute strength.

Movie Venom: Only was defeated after Spidey got help (Harry) and beat by outsmarting with sonics, rather than a beatdown.
Comics Venom: Only was defeated after Spidey got help (typically Fantastic Four) and beat by outsmarting (usually with sonics), rather than a beatdown.

As a HUGE Venom fan back in the 90's (before the vigilante crap and all the insanity of the last decade), I was VERY satisfied with Venom in SM3. He was near perfect. The Black Suit, however, was horribly cheated. They should have toned back Sandman's "morality" and focused on Black Spidey becoming more violent, not a member of the Bee Gees.

[Mumble-bee]

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Originally Posted by Tony_Bacala

It comes from the first Spider Man movie figure, pre-Hasbro. It was a 4.5/5 inch fig, came with a building gargoyle with a retractable zip line all in one package. And the building part had a clamp you could put on a shelf and hang spidey from. I still have that, works perfectly with this.

I think Hasbro also released a version of it in their early spidey waves too.

great, I have that toy in a box somewhere.

[Enigma2K2]

Shoutout to anyone who kitbashes him matching hands!

And the costume still sucks.

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by Enigma2K2

Shoutout to anyone who kitbashes him matching hands!

And the costume still sucks.

No, I'll tell you what sucks. Ultimate Venom.

[webz]

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Originally Posted by thechris

No, I'll tell you what sucks. Ultimate Venom.

Really? I found him far more believable of a character than Normal Continuity Venom. Brock Jr's motivation and hatred is slightly more realistic than the hatred of normal continuity Brock. LOVE the DNA vampirism of the Ultimate Suit, compared to the stupid "We want to eat your brains!" they added to regular Venom.

[Enigma2K2]

No, I'll tell you all what really sucks... the fact that Spider-Man continues to be practically the ONLY character that can't have uniform hands!!!! Two fists, two hands, or two thwipp hands!!!!

Iron Man doesn't count because I have one with 3 sets of hands!!!

[thechris]

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Originally Posted by webz

Really? I found him far more believable of a character than Normal Continuity Venom. Brock Jr's motivation and hatred is slightly more realistic than the hatred of normal continuity Brock. LOVE the DNA vampirism of the Ultimate Suit, compared to the stupid "We want to eat your brains!" they added to regular Venom.

I'm not so concerned with believability. I mean it's a comic book for goodness sakes. I think that's part of the problem for me. Everyone's so concerned with "realism" and making things more "real" and "hip" and doing away with superhero costumes and giving them a T-Shirt and jeans instead or a trenchcoat and calling it a day. No thanks, I like my superheroes running around in spandex suits and underpants as goofy as that sounds. I guess it's a different reader now and I'm stuck in the Silver Age and prior.

[webz]

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Originally Posted by thechris

I'm not so concerned with believability. I mean it's a comic book for goodness sakes. I think that's part of the problem for me. Everyone's so concerned with "realism" and making things more "real" and "hip" and doing away with superhero costumes and giving them a T-Shirt and jeans instead or a trenchcoat and calling it a day. No thanks, I like my superheroes running around in spandex suits and underpants as goofy as that sounds. I guess it's a different reader now and I'm stuck in the Silver Age and prior.

Ooook... dunno what this has to do with Ultimate Venom.... since, well, last I saw, he was a hulking mass of costume. No trenchcoat. no T-Shirt. And for me, motivation plays a huge part on how much I like a character, especially if I am to believe it's worth it to the character to go up against the hero (s). Magneto is one of my favorite villains. He's got a goal, a belief, that sustains him to keep doing what he is doing. If Magneto didn't have his beliefs to anchor him, he'd not have lasted as one of Marvel's greatest villains. It also makes for better stories than just Magneto and Titanium man, and the Crimson Dynamo got together to rob the bank at a quarter to three in the main street. (high five to whomever gets the reference without google)

Venom's motivation is very shallow. Instead of a villain, Venom is basically the bitter ex-wife. Brock's motivation is even worse than the symbiote's. Brock lost a job coz he was a lazy arse and had no journalistic integrity. Even if he can somehow project the blame on Spidey, it's no way the type of thing that can foster a lifetime's murderous obsession.

Ultimate Brock, tho, is SLIGHTLY more complex. It was the suit that his father and Peter's father were testing when they died. It was the last thing they were working on. It was the only thing he had left of his parents. Here comes Peter, out of no where, and just like Peter's dad outshined Brock, Sr, Peter completes the Venom suit with minimal effort. Shortly after, Peter kills the suit, and erases everything that Eddie has lived for the last few years, as well as his family legacy... It's not much of a stronger case, but it is slightly better.