[D00MTR0N]

Star Wars is now owned by Disney,they say they will continue with episode 7,8 and 9, read link below for full story:

Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion - MSN Movies News

[D00MTR0N]

after reading through the article,I am not liking the whole "new film every 2 or 3 years" thing,though lucas not cashing in on an EU movie was a mistake imo, I feel one every couple of years may be too much,unless they go the direction of the Eu,imo they would almost have to to pump out that many star wars films.

[tlasjr]

At first I was horrified. Now... really can it be any worse than Jar-Jar and eight year old darth vader?

[Black Dynomite]

That's big. I know there was a mass "Kill Lucus" Cult chasing that man for the past 10+ years but I for one liked the PT. There were things I didn't like, and join everyone in hating the majority of the changes to the OT, but they were nowhere as bad os people made them out to be. The last 45 minutes of episode 3 (everything after Anakin tells Windu about Palp) stands up to anything "Star Wars" that has been put on film. I did however think he was being overly emotion about the backlash. With that said, I am glad to see him be a big boy and do the right thing. Pass the torch so my kids, grandkids, and so on can enjoy thier own Star Wars adventures. Lol, I guess 4 Billi didn't hurt his decision though.

Man, I know people will still hate and diss the new movies before they are even made but I can't wait to see where they decide to go. Thrawn triligy? Isn't that supposed to take place right after E6 (canon wise)?

[MeLikeJinx]

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Originally Posted by D00MTR0N

after reading through the article,I am not liking the whole "new film every 2 or 3 years" thing...

I think Disney is gonna treat SW like Marvel... like how they release a different Marvel movie every few years like Cap, Thor, IM, Avengers, Spiderman, X-men, Wolverine, Fantastic Four, etc... they will do the same thing with Star Wars. After they finish the next trilogy they will do individual character/story movies set within the SW universe.

[avengerboy123]

"DISNEY WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!" he he...

[Piper2381]

I'm excited...

[Iceman]

Does this mean we will finally get a blu-ray with high quality versions of the original trilogy without Lucas editing it?

[Paxtin]

Does this mean Leia is a Disney princess now?

Personally speaking I am so over Star Wars that I'm having a hard time caring one way or the other about this. I wont likely be seeing these films, not so much out some kind of misplaced self-entitled nerd rage, but rather more of a feeling of complete and utter indifference.

For those who do care, I really hope they get something good out of the deal and not just a trilogy of half assed cash cow movies.

[MegaPrime33]

It seems like the majority of fan boys are horrified by this. I think it's a good thing. The way I see it, I have been waiting for years to get a new decent movie and now something is finally going to be done about it. Yes, it may suck, but at least it's happening, rather than George being so damn picky about it and sitting on it for years and years.

[trebleshot]

I'm a little leery about the whole thing, but I will attempt to reserve judgment until we get more information about the new trilogy and the story therein.

I am curious about Lucasfilm's distribution deal with 20th Century Fox, though. I have to assume that Disney will want to buy them out of the contract (or at least not renew it, if that's an option).

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Originally Posted by Black Dynomite

Thrawn triligy? Isn't that supposed to take place right after E6 (canon wise)?

The Thrawn Trilogy takes place 10 years after the events of ROTJ. The story goes that Lucas set up a window of 10 years so he could do the last trilogy, if he ever got around to it. So all the sequel novels, comics, etc., had to be after that timeframe. That was one reason why Shadows of the Empire was such a big deal at the time it came out. It was the only non-movie SW story that was considered in-continuity by Lucas himself at the time of its release.

Then, of course, the PT came out and various writers started filling in the gaps between those films and the OT (as well as in-between individual films, a la Clone Wars and the "Tales from..." series).

I think there's enough material available that they could easily do a movie every couple of years for the foreseeable future. Whether anyone is willing to watch them is another story altogether.

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Originally Posted by MeLikeJinx

I think Disney is gonna treat SW like Marvel... like how they release a different Marvel movie every few years like Cap, Thor, IM, Avengers, Spiderman, X-men, Wolverine, Fantastic Four, etc... they will do the same thing with Star Wars. After they finish the next trilogy they will do individual character/story movies set within the SW universe.

I really hope Disney goes this route. It seems to be working for Marvel, so why not let Lucasfilm do its thing too? Then Disney can just sit back and make even more money.

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Originally Posted by MegaPrime33

It seems like the majority of fan boys are horrified by this. I think it's a good thing. The way I see it, I have been waiting for years to get a new decent movie and now something is finally going to be done about it. Yes, it may suck, but at least it's happening, rather than George being so damn picky about it and sitting on it for years and years.

Pretty much agreed. Aside from ANH, it seems Star Wars is better off when he's just the writer and someone else is directing. But that also has a lot to do with who gets chosen to direct, I guess.

[tlasjr]

Actually Heir to the Empire came out in 1991, 5 years before SOTE.
It was set 5 years after ROTJ.
Not only was it considered cannon but some of the vehicles and characters were from the West End Games roleplaying games.
Anyways the trilogy is by far the best SW read out there. (IMO) Better than the movie novelizations.
They won't make the Thrawn trilogy though. You'd have to recast the main characters.
I think we'll see it set 30 years post Jedi with cameos from the original names.

[Dark Hayabusa]

I'm conflicted. A new Star Wars, not written or directed by George Lucas interests me. But a new film every few years doesn't. Granted, if they were other aspects of the Star Wars universe, like a Knights of the old republic kind of setting that would be cool. And I would laugh if Stan Lee made a cameo in it. Certainly no more dumb that Greedo shooting first, Jar Jar and that dancing game.

However, I don't how it is in the States, but in English Land, Disney are real scummy about dvd releases (going right back to only releasing films on video for limited times, before deleting them from retail) in the UK (like the crappy Avengers dvd we're getting) and say goodbye to the Dark Horse comics, because once those rights are up, they'll most likely go to Marvel. And it's been stated that Disney have no plans for Lucasarts reguarding console games. So maybe 1313 will get finished, but don't hold your breath for the old point-and-click back catalogue to come any time soon

[Crazy Jetty]

Well... Star Wars without George Lucas can only be a good thing, right? I mean, his direct involvement was the worst aspect of the original six films, right?

Though I guess I don't really care. This will mean the end of Clone Wars, which was the only aspect of Star Wars I actually liked.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by tlasjr

Actually Heir to the Empire came out in 1991, 5 years before SOTE.
It was set 5 years after ROTJ.
Not only was it considered cannon but some of the vehicles and characters were from the West End Games roleplaying games.

Oops. Off by five years on the timeline. Even still, the Thrawn Trilogy is not part of the movie canon. It's part of the Expanded Universe. And as I understand it, Lucas himself considers SOTE as part of the movie canon, not the EU.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Well... Star Wars without George Lucas can only be a good thing, right? I mean, his direct involvement was the worst aspect of the original six films, right?

Not necessarily. He did write & direct A New Hope (without which we wouldn't even be having this conversation). The real issue about Lucas is when he's left to his own devices. He needs someone to act as a counter-weight to keep his perfectionism in check. For ANH it was simply the tech limits. For ESB, it was Irving Kershner and Brackett/Kasden. For ROTJ, it was Richard Marquand and Kasden.

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Though I guess I don't really care. This will mean the end of Clone Wars, which was the only aspect of Star Wars I actually liked.

I don't see any reason for them to stop the show simply because of the ownership changing hands. That doesn't mean it won't, I'm just saying that that can't be the only factor, since Disney plans on keeping Kathy in charge (she co-runs Lucasfilm with George).

[tlasjr]

so was Lucasarts part of the package?
and what does this mean for the star wars live action tv show?
Actually, we could get an animated thrawn trilogy direct to video.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

I don't see any reason for them to stop the show simply because of the ownership changing hands. That doesn't mean it won't, I'm just saying that that can't be the only factor, since Disney plans on keeping Kathy in charge (she co-runs Lucasfilm with George).

I'm looking at existing examples. Disney does not like to share profits for anything, if they can avoid it (Meaning no preexisting contracts).

When they purchased Marvel, they cancelled every single Marvel animated work for another network, save for Ironman: Armored Adventures (Which I believe had a preexisting contract to produce so many seasons by Nickolodeon).
Clone Wars is co-owned and produced by Cartoon Network, They have as much right and say in it as Lucasfilm does. Frankly, it's their baby. It's not something that can just easily be plucked up and transferred, as an independent series could be (Like Avengers: EMH).

Simular happened with Transformers Animated. Hasbro decided to just cancel it and replace it with Prime, than to try to muck with the legalities of continuing it on the Hub.

Granted, Hasbro isn't Disney, Transformers isn't Star Wars, and there is the one exception to the trend (Super Hero Squad).

I think Disney would probably sooner cut it loose and start from scratch, than spend more money to bring it over.

I do hope you're right, and that I'm worrying needlessly.

[Iceman]

You make a good point. Clone Wars has already had speculation of how long it will run and Disney does seem to prefer to be the ones who profit from their IP.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Simular happened with Transformers Animated. Hasbro decided to just cancel it and replace it with Prime, than to try to muck with the legalities of continuing it on the Hub.

Animated was not dropped in favor of TF: Prime. They are two completely unrelated situations. Animated ended in 2009 and Prime didn't start until 2010 (same year the Hub debuted).

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Granted, Hasbro isn't Disney, Transformers isn't Star Wars, and there is the one exception to the trend (Super Hero Squad).

In the case of Transformers, the ownership of the IP never changed hands (unlike Star Wars and Marvel).

Also, the SHS toyline was created by Hasbro, so technically Disney/Marvel isn't really sharing the profits with anyone new by having it air on the Hub (except maybe DCI. Depends on the deal Hasbro made with them regarding the Hub).

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I think Disney would probably sooner cut it loose and start from scratch, than spend more money to bring it over.

I do hope you're right, and that I'm worrying needlessly.

I guess it really depends on Disney's relationship with Cartoon Network (and its parent company, Time-Warner). I don't see a reason for them to cancel it now, but I also felt the same way about Avengers EMH and look how that turned out.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Animated was not dropped in favor of TF: Prime. They are two completely unrelated situations. Animated ended in 2009 and Prime didn't start until 2010 (same year the Hub debuted).

Animated ended in 2008, a few months before RotF was released. The entire series didn't even last a full year.

And no, Hasbro didn't say "Let's replace Animated with prime." That's just silly.
But Animated was created before Hasbro ever even imagined having their own channel in the discovery network. As such, like Clone Wars, Animated was produced and co-owned by Cartoon Network. It was partly theirs.
And when Hasbro made the move to launch the hub, they decided thei would rather cut it loose and cancel it, than to let their flagship brand continue on an opposing network, or muck with the legalities of trying to secure total ownership so they can continue it on the hub. Thus, Prime was born.

(Though, they didn't have to replace it with something so bland and lifeless. That's what makes the whole thing such a sore spot)

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I guess it really depends on Disney's relationship with Cartoon Network (and its parent company, Time-Warner). I don't see a reason for them to cancel it now, but I also felt the same way about Avengers EMH and look how that turned out.

Disney just does not like to share profits. It's that simple. Even on something that would cost them absolutely no money to produce (Meaning all the work and production costs done by someone else), and all they do is sit back and collect revenue... if they have to share some of that with others, they'll sit on it forever and make nothing, before sharing.
Two examples of this: Pixar, and TF: Robots in Disguise.
When Pixar and Disney started working together, Pixar did the bulk of the work, and all disney did really, was distribute their movies and slap the Disney name on them. Not sure what the profit shar between the two was, but it was unfairly scewed to Disney. Also, Disney started pressuring them to become a sequel factory, giving every movie of theirs that makes even a little bit of money a stream of sqequels (Something they absolutely did not want to do)
Finally, when their contract came up, Pixar threatened to leave if they didn't get what was only fair. Disney said "Goodbye," and walked away and waited for Pixar to get even slightly desparate. Then swooped in and bought the entire company. The only reason "Pixar" as a name even exists anymore is because of branding, as the company itself is just another facit of Disney.

As for RiD... RiD was partly owned by Saban, who did all the dub work. Disney got control of it when they bought Saban.
Mind you, this was at the height of Transformer's popularity. Back when the first movie launched. Disney could have gotten in on that, when they were busy going through Saban's archieves looking for series they could air on ToonDisney/DisneyXD. All they'd have to do was share profits with Hasbro (A company they already had a good business relationship with).
Or share it with Hasbro and Rhino, to allow them to release it on DVD, when Rhino was trying to release as many TF dvds as they could.
But they just sat on it.
(I'm hoping this will be changed soon, as all the stars are alligned. Saban owns itself again, and they have a deal with Shoutfactory, who already has the TF lisence from Hasbro)

Disney, first and foremost stands for Greed. I really don't see why they would share with Cartoon Network.
While I've seen them air other network's shows on their own channel (Batman, Superman, Pinky and the Brain, and a few others), I've never ever seen them allow another rival network to air Disney shows. (IE, no one airing Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, or Phineas & Ferb)

Like I said, I do hope you're correct and I'm needlessly worrying. But all we have to go on is the past. And only two examples (SHS, Ironman: Armored Adventures) say there's any hope the future for Clone Wars isn't as bleak as it seems.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Animated ended in 2008, a few months before RotF was released. The entire series didn't evenlast a full year.

No, it ended in May of 2009. And it did last a full year, with some room to spare:

Preview: December 26, 2007
1st Ep: January 5, 2008
Last Ep: May 23, 2009

Revenge of the Fallen was released in the US on June 24, 2009 - one month after Animated ended. If anything, it was the popularity of the LAM series that killed Animated.

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And no, Hasbro didn't say "Let's replace Animated with prime." That's just silly.

You say this....

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But Animated was created before Hasbro ever even imagined having their own channel in the discovery network. As such, like Clone Wars, Animated was produced and co-owned by Cartoon Network. It was partly theirs.
And when Hasbro made the move to launch the hub, they decided thei would rather cut it loose and cancel it, than to let their flagship brand continue on an opposing network, or muck with the legalities of trying to secure total ownership so they can continue it on the hub. Thus, Prime was born.

...but when you use language and phrasing like that, you're implying that Hasbro purposely tanked the production of Animated in favor of another show. I don't believe this is the case, as Animated was done at least a full year before the Hub and TF:Prime.

And it's not like Prime was just waiting in the wings. The staff of that show have said in interviews that the first couple of episodes were rushed because they had a hard deadline to meet (Nov. 2010, when the preview aired). Why would they have to rush the first few episodes if they were already planning this back in 2008-9?

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Disney just does not like to share profits. It's that simple. Even on something that would cost them absolutely no money to produce (Meaning all the work and production costs done by someone else), and all they do is sit back and collect revenue... if they have to share some of that with others, they'll sit on it forever and make nothing, before sharing.
Two examples of this: Pixar, and TF: Robots in Disguise.
When Pixar and Disney started working together, Pixar did the bulk of the work, and all disney did really, was distribute their movies and slap the Disney name on them. Not sure what the profit shar between the two was, but it was unfairly scewed to Disney. Also, Disney started pressuring them to become a sequel factory, giving every movie of theirs that makes even a little bit of money a stream of sqequels (Something they absolutely did not want to do)
Finally, when their contract came up, Pixar threatened to leave if they didn't get what was only fair. Disney said "Goodbye," and walked away and waited for Pixar to get even slightly desparate. Then swooped in and bought the entire company. The only reason "Pixar" as a name even exists anymore is because of branding, as the company itself is just another facit of Disney.

As I understood it, Disney bought out Pixar to prevent them from "walking away" again. Disney's in-house animation departments were doing horrible in the wake of Pixar and Dreamworks and Disney was worried that Pixar might partner with another distribution company (like maybe Dreamworks or even Warner Bros.). I highly doubt it had to do with Pixar being desperate and Disney coming to the rescue. I'd even bet that Dreamworks, Fox and Warner Bros. were all lined up to ink a new deal with Pixar just on the strength of Toy Story and A Bug's Life.

To me, the buyout of Pixar did smack of desperation, but not on Pixar's part.

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As for RiD... RiD was partly owned by Saban, who did all the dub work. Disney got control of it when they bought Saban.
Mind you, this was at the height of Transformer's popularity. Back when the first movie launched. Disney could have gotten in on that, when they were busy going through Saban's archieves looking for series they could air on ToonDisney/DisneyXD. All they'd have to do was share profits with Hasbro (A company they already had a good business relationship with).
Or share it with Hasbro and Rhino, to allow them to release it on DVD, when Rhino was trying to release as many TF dvds as they could.
But they just sat on it.
(I'm hoping this will be changed soon, as all the stars are alligned. Saban owns itself again, and they have a deal with Shoutfactory, who already has the TF lisence from Hasbro)

Actually, "Saban Entertainment" and all of its holdings are still owned by Disney. Haim Saban started a division called Saban Brands as part of Saban Capital Group (which he started after Saban Entertainment was sold to Disney). Saban Brands then bought the rights for Power Rangers from Disney for $43 million in 2010. They have also been buying other IPs in the last few years, but RiD is not one of them.

But I'd love to see a DVD/BD release of RiD in the US, however it gets done. I'd also love to see Animated Season 3 released too, for that matter. But I'm not holding my breath in either case.

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Disney, first and foremost stands for Greed. I really don't see why they would share with Cartoon Network.
While I've seen them air other network's shows on their own channel (Batman, Superman, Pinky and the Brain, and a few others), I've never ever seen them allow another rival network to air Disney shows. (IE, no one airing Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, or Phineas & Ferb)

Like I said, I do hope you're correct and I'm needlessly worrying. But all we have to go on is the past. And only two examples (SHS, Ironman: Armored Adventures) say there's any hope the future for Clone Wars isn't as bleak as it seems.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. I sincerely hope it's able to continue unaffected by the change.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

No, it ended in May of 2009. And it did last a full year, with some room to spare:

Preview: December 26, 2007
1st Ep: January 5, 2008
Last Ep: May 23, 2009

Revenge of the Fallen was released in the US on June 24, 2009 - one month after Animated ended. If anything, it was the popularity of the LAM series that killed Animated.

I woulda sworn Animated ended in december of '08. still, one year of what we had been told was a five year series is rediculous.

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...but when you use language and phrasing like that, you're implying that Hasbro purposely tanked the production of Animated in favor of another show. I don't believe this is the case, as Animated was done at least a full year before the Hub and TF:Prime.

And it's not like Prime was just waiting in the wings. The staff of that show have said in interviews that the first couple of episodes were rushed because they had a hard deadline to meet (Nov. 2010, when the preview aired). Why would they have to rush the first few episodes if they were already planning this back in 2008-9?

No, you're putting words in my mouth.
What I'm implying is exactly what I said.
You don't just start up a network on the spur of the moment. They had the inklings of what would become the Hub when Animated was still in production. Once they cemented that they were going to go alhead with the hub, they had to make a decision to try to buy up all of animated and transplant it, leave their flagship brand on another network, or kill it and replace it with a new series they have full control over.
They did not go "Hey, We've got this new idea called "Prime," lets get rid of animated for it."
No, like I said, that's just silly and almost insulting to say I imply that.
What I'm implying is exactly what happened. Animated was cancelled so Hasbro could bring their flagship brand home, and not have anyone else have any say in it, as Animated would have. They found it cheaper to cut it loose and start from scratch.

As for Saban, I did not know that. You know if Digimon still remains with Disney?

[MegaPrime33]

Apparently Ford wants to play Solo again....

Would Harrison Ford Return for Star Wars: Episode VII? - IGN

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

I woulda sworn Animated ended in december of '08. still, one year of what we had been told was a five year series is rediculous.

I wish they had been able to continue it as well, but I will settle for a licensed copy of Season 3 on DVD.

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No, you're putting words in my mouth.
No, like I said, that's just silly and almost insulting to say I imply that.

I didn't mean to offend or put words in your mouth. I was merely stating how your comments read to me. However, you've made your point quite clear now, so no worries.

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As for Saban, I did not know that. You know if Digimon still remains with Disney?

Saban Brands currently owns the rights to both Digimon and Digimon Fusion.

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Apparently Ford wants to play Solo again....

Would Harrison Ford Return for Star Wars: Episode VII? - IGN

While I would love to see the original three back in their respective roles, I have to wonder if they're too old at this point. Unless they shift the timeline to accommodate their age differences (like Indy 4 did).

[MegaPrime33]

Makes me wonder how much MO-CAP they'll use in the new films. I can see a lot of it fitting in.