[Optimus Vader]

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Originally Posted by LXL_Guy

Anyone else notice the toys not moving at all?! Was out looking for Transformers today and just sort of saw that the shelves were really well stocked. I mean...that's a good thing but, at the same time not.

Yup. Because they're crap.

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by Optimus Vader

Yup. Because they're crap.

I don't see them moving at TRU or Walmart but a few Targets I went to actually sold out of a lot. It was surprising because they had a ton of figures before.

[stjuggernaut]

maybe they sent them back to the manufacturer haha

[Crazy Jetty]

As I've said several times, they've been one of the more popular toylines in the Dallas area.

[trebleshot]

EDIT: Oops. Wrong toy line. Allow me to fix that.

Green Lantern toys are shelfwarming all over here, though the Movie Masters are slowing moving stock. The craptacular 4" stuff is stagnate.

[BlackRazor]

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Originally Posted by Optimus Vader

Yup. Because they're crap.

lol, Vader is right.

Captain America seems like the only line this summer where there's much interest. Not Thor, GL or Transformers.

Would be interesting to see how an Apes or Cowboys & Aliens lines would do?

[hrothgars]

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Originally Posted by BlackRazor

lol, Vader is right.

Captain America seems like the only line this summer where there's much interest. Not Thor, GL or Transformers.

Would be interesting to see how an Apes or Cowboys & Aliens lines would do?

I would have to echo Crazy Jetty here. Captain America is not selling well locally here in the Chicago area.

The best sellers tend to be Marvel Universe and wrestling action figures.

Transformers Generations & DC Universe Classics toys seem to clear out & sell well only when new waves hit stores, and then the shelf- & peg-warmers in these Waves sit for months.

To my eye, Cars 2, Transformers DOTM Leaders/Voyagers/Deluxes & Human Alliance, Captain America, Thor, and Green Lantern toys have all been dead to rights since immediately after their initial release weeks. There just isn't any turnover in these sections, at all.

Most Star Wars, G.I. Joe, Spider-man, Iron Man 2, and Toy Story 3 toys already have dust on them.

[Crazy Jetty]

It's really sad... as awesome as the technology to produce them has gotten, toys are just a dying art form.
I mean, even LEGOs are having a hard time. Legos.

Though, I think Transformers main problem is it's *TOO* popular. The stores want the shelves so full that it oversaturates and floods everything. And the only time TF toylines has any supporting fiction anymore is when a new movie is released. Therefore, lines like Generations only appeals to collectors.
The brief time that Animated and the Animated toyline were available TOGETHER, the toys flew off the shelves. But they didn't hit stores (Thanks to Hasbro's idiocy with dragging out the first movie line well past it's experation date) until the TFA cartoon was almost finished. And once Animated finished, the retail flow of toys seemed to halt almost completely.
I also think that kids might be starting to get tired of the TF movies. I mean, the second one wasn't child appropriate at all. HftD had no fiction accessible to them to help move it, even though it was a movie line. Reveal the Shield had no fiction, and almost no retail presence, even though it was technically movie line. Generations had no fiction, and didn't move.
In this day and age, even toys that have extremely popular, easily accessible fiction don't move well (Ben 10, Generator Rex).
But, Transformers since the first one is the biggest movie event of the year when new ones come out. And the retailers want to flood their shelves, and it seems they do so in greater numbers than the kids AND collectors combined can handle. (Besides, even kids get tired of popular characters over and over and over and over. I stopped collecting Ninja Turtles when the line became nothing but endless Turtles). I imagine you can only own so many identical Optimi and Bumblebees before you get bored with the design.

DotM also has a lot of foolishness on Hasbro's part working against it. The first several waves have absolutely no variety. Aside from Starscream, Thundercracker, Laserbeak, and that voyager helicoptor, then entire line are cars and trucks. All of them in *very* simular colors. Even though there's a dozen different characters on display, if you look at any store's given display, it's all virtually identical.

[Jason Abbadon]

Good points, Jetty.
I think a line can be too popular and become total crap (Transformers) because they dont have to make spectacular toys to make money- then, once the hype dies off and it's only fans buying stuff, the quality gradually goes back up, as they do what it takes to compete.

Remember before the first Transformers movie, the amazing collectors stuff that could be had relativly cheap? Hell, just the PVS line of cartoon-accurate toys were great to collect.

[Shin Densetsu]

Wow I've already seen movie masters on clearance at target.

[Jason Abbadon]

Really!?! Daaamn.
Mine has an entire asile overflowing with action figures but only Tron and the deluxe Iron Mans are on "Clearance"- their word for knovking a $8 Tron figure down to a $6 one- hardly a clearance.

My Target has so much stock that Pirates of the Carribbean is one asile over- and it's not selling at all.

Kinda sucks in that they have not restocked Star Wars, GI Joe or Marvel Universe- they probabaly think nothing is selling, and not just sucktastic Tron toys.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

The brief time that Animated and the Animated toyline were available TOGETHER, the toys flew off the shelves. But they didn't hit stores (Thanks to Hasbro's idiocy with dragging out the first movie line well past it's experation date) until the TFA cartoon was almost finished.

That wasn't Hasbro's fault, nor was it their idea. They fully intended on having Animated toys released at the same time the cartoon aired. But overwhelming retailer demand for more Movie toys and their refusal to buy any other TF lines except Movie forced Hasbro into a difficult position. Hasbro even tried to get Cartoon Network to push back the TFA premiere so they could get toys on the shelves at the same time as the show, but CN was locked into its broadcast schedule too. Basically, Hasbro's hands were tied.

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DotM also has a lot of foolishness on Hasbro's part working against it. The first several waves have absolutely no variety. Aside from Starscream, Thundercracker, Laserbeak, and that voyager helicoptor, then entire line are cars and trucks. All of them in *very* simular colors. Even though there's a dozen different characters on display, if you look at any store's given display, it's all virtually identical.

What? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Of course there was/is variety. Aside from Optimus, Bumblebee, Skids and Ironhide, there was plenty of new stuff to choose from:

Starscream/Thundercracker, Roadbuster, Topspin, Skyhammer, Shockwave, Megatron and Sentinel Prime for the larger classes and the Cyberverse line is just pure win all around.

As far as re-doing characters goes, I'm sorry but how many times have collectors bought a Batman or Superman figure when a new version comes out? How many Spider-Man figures do we all own? Hell, Star Wars practically thrives on making the same characters over and over.

Besides, the first wave of G1 toys were mostly cars and trucks too.

[Soundout]

Is there anyone here going to SDCC who could get me a Movie Masters Kilowog?

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

What? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Of course there was/is variety. Aside from Optimus, Bumblebee, Skids and Ironhide, there was plenty of new stuff to choose from:

Starscream/Thundercracker, Roadbuster, Topspin, Skyhammer, Shockwave, Megatron and Sentinel Prime for the larger classes and the Cyberverse line is just pure win all around.

You misunderstood me then. I ment visual variety. There's like, two dozen characters out, but aside from like half a dozen, they're all cars and trucks. And not just cars and trucks, but they're also all very simular colors.

Welve got a miniature blackout helicoptor, a large Skyhammer helicoptor, a tanned tatooed jet, a bright blue jet, a purple mess of parts that's a tank because they say it's a tank, and a vtol that turns into a bird because they say it's a bird.
That's about the extent of the variety. The rest are very blandly colored cars and trucks.
So yeah, I stand by my statement. And it makes perfect sense. There's almost no variety in the first few waves of DotM.

And yeah, G1 *was* mostly cars and trucks, but there were also a ton of helicoptors, almost as many jets as cars, a fair few dinosaurs, plenty of fictional fantasy vehicles, and it's fair share of beasts. G1 had a variety that hasn't been met since, save for Cybertron.
I'm not saying that DotM should have all that, but it would have been nice to make some of the off-creen characters something different than the onscreen characters, just to break up the monotony. Throw in a tank, or a couple more jets, and bump off screen characters like Barricade, Skids and Mudflap to later waves.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Soundout

Is there anyone here going to SDCC who could get me a Movie Masters Kilowog?

Kilowog's not an SDCC exclusive. He's only being launched there. He'll later be sold on Matty Collector. (Probably less of a pain to try to get him during SDCC, though)

[Soundout]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Kilowog's not an SDCC exclusive. He's only being launched there. He'll later be sold on Matty Collector. (Probably less of a pain to try to get him during SDCC, though)

That's good to know. I've never ordered from Matty Collector before, how do you do it?

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by Soundout

That's good to know. I've never ordered from Matty Collector before, how do you do it?

Just like any other web store.

[Soundout]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Just like any other web store.

Ok.

[Optimus Vader]

Anyone interested in DCUC Arkillo? $50 shipped in the US. He's going on eBay soon. PM me if interested.

[LXL_Guy]

Poor poor GL toys. Too many of those stupid role play hand construct things. Boy do those plague the shelves. Reminds me of the Wolverine claws that just sat there endlessly.

[DarkestKnight]

For anyone who wants it, maskless MM Hal is available on Amazon. I went ahead and ordered one as opposed to waiting and trying to hunt it down later on, and eventhough the movie wasn't what I expected, I still wanted the diecast ring and this is a much cheaper option that getting it by itself at TRU.

[Shin Densetsu]

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Originally Posted by LXL_Guy

Poor poor GL toys. Too many of those stupid role play hand construct things. Boy do those plague the shelves. Reminds me of the Wolverine claws that just sat there endlessly.

The Wolverine claws were surprisingly long as hell and not nubs which is what I thought they'd be

[BlackRazor]

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Originally Posted by LXL_Guy

Poor poor GL toys. Too many of those stupid role play hand construct things. Boy do those plague the shelves. Reminds me of the Wolverine claws that just sat there endlessly.

lol, true!

[trebleshot]

The only role-play toys I could see with GL is a ring, a mask, and a lantern. Beyond that, they're just fishing for money.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

And yeah, G1 *was* mostly cars and trucks, but there were also a ton of helicoptors, almost as many jets as cars, a fair few dinosaurs, plenty of fictional fantasy vehicles, and it's fair share of beasts. G1 had a variety that hasn't been met since, save for Cybertron.

Um, most of those appeared in later waves of G1. The first two waves of G1 were just like DOTM in terms of alt-mode variety. Hell, the entire first year of G1 (1984) only had 4 other alt modes besides cars and trucks (gun, cassette player, cassette, plane). DOTM is up to 8 besides cars and trucks through its first two waves (plane, helicoptor, VTOL, tank, ATV/Trike, snowmobile, spider tank, dune buggy).

Also, DOTM is somewhat limited by the fact that most, if not all, of the toys have to be based in reality or near-future military tech. G1 never had that limitation because it was all fantasy-based. So no mechanical dinosaurs, insects, beasts or monsters unless that's the "robot" mode (i.e. Ravage and Laserbeak).

My point is you might want to have a little more patience and wait to see what else is coming down the pipe, especially with SDCC still to come. Also, check out Cyberverse Hatchet for some REAL variety. Peaugh even did a review of him last week and I'm looking forward to it.

In his review he basically says "This is the Ravage we should have gotten", and I agree.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Um, most of those appeared in later waves of G1. The first two waves of G1 were just like DOTM in terms of alt-mode variety. Hell, the entire first year of G1 (1984) only had 4 other alt modes besides cars and trucks (gun, cassette player, cassette, plane). DOTM is up to 8 besides cars and trucks through its first two waves (plane, helicoptor, VTOL, tank, ATV/Trike, snowmobile, spider tank, dune buggy).

The first few waves of G1 had a remarkable variety of alternate modes. It had a huge variety of supercars, three jets in the first few waves, expanding by several more soon after, insects, dinosaurs, futuristic vehicles, cassettes, a cassette player, and as lame as it is, a couple guns.

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Also, DOTM is somewhat limited by the fact that most, if not all, of the toys have to be based in reality or near-future military tech. G1 never had that limitation because it was all fantasy-based. So no mechanical dinosaurs, insects, beasts or monsters unless that's the "robot" mode (i.e. Ravage and Laserbeak).

But even still, as I said which you chose not to acknowledge, this has no baring on off screen characters. They could just as easily have bumped Barricade or Mudflap to later in the year, and placed another jet or helicoptor, or tank. Or something else that breaks up the sea of darkly colored cars.

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My point is you might want to have a little more patience and wait to see what else is coming down the pipe, especially with SDCC still to come. Also, check out Cyberverse Hatchet for some REAL variety. Peaugh even did a review of him last week and I'm looking forward to it.

In his review he basically says "This is the Ravage we should have gotten", and I agree.

Quite frankly, I honestly couldn't care less what peaugh says or does.