Hasbro at SDCC 2017 - Updating

Jester · 07-22-2017, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ukmu

I will stick with the mother scale. I am 3.75" lifer and I am OK that some people don't like it. I do. I like playsets and vehicles (other than a motorbike) and am.Just fine where I am at. I don't feel the need to "upgrade" or be talked down to.

Even you guys have to miss the big 3.75" diorama displays at SDCC? That was cool stuff for everyone to enjoy. US not getting anything new I mean nothing except for a pack of Skittle Pools is sad. We all collect Marvel stuff and can show appreciation to each other and apathy to us, the 3.75" collector. You have to admit, we got the shaft.

It's definitely sad, especially since MU always seemed to be treated like the red-headed step-child of Hasbro's action figure properties (though that dubious honour now seems to have fallen upon the venerable progenitor of all action figures, G.I. Joe himself).

The paintjobs were bad, headsculpts always seemed to fall just inside the wrong end of the uncanny valley, and there were constantly-changing problems with the proportions and articulation of the base bodies (the comic-style figures accompanying the movies were much more stylistically harmonious, but always fewer and farther between). I do take some consolation, though, from the meteoric rise of 1/18th-scale Kickstarters, like Marauder Task Force, Vitruvian H.A.C.K.S., Eagle Force, Captain Action, Hell Screamerz and the like, most of which far surpass Hasbro's recent attempts in the scale. I'm particularly looking forward to the new Sectaurs and Power Lords.

Runamuck · 07-22-2017, 11:33 PM

That X-23 body and head. ugh. Deathlok looks badass, though.

Runamuck · 07-22-2017, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ukmu

I will stick with the mother scale. I am 3.75" lifer and I am OK that some people don't like it. I do. I like playsets and vehicles (other than a motorbike) and am.Just fine where I am at. I don't feel the need to "upgrade" or be talked down to.

Even you guys have to miss the big 3.75" diorama displays at SDCC? That was cool stuff for everyone to enjoy. US not getting anything new I mean nothing except for a pack of Skittle Pools is sad. We all collect Marvel stuff and can show appreciation to each other and apathy to us, the 3.75" collector. You have to admit, we got the shaft.

I miss the smaller figures, sure. But when they started going up in price, losing accessories and stands, combined with the fact that I could never find them in stores, well that put the nail in the coffin for me. Only 3.75" I'd consider now are GI Joes.

LordMudd · 07-23-2017, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ukmu

I will stick with the mother scale. I am 3.75" lifer and I am OK that some people don't like it. I do. I like playsets and vehicles (other than a motorbike) and am.Just fine where I am at. I don't feel the need to "upgrade" or be talked down to.

Even you guys have to miss the big 3.75" diorama displays at SDCC? That was cool stuff for everyone to enjoy. US not getting anything new I mean nothing except for a pack of Skittle Pools is sad. We all collect Marvel stuff and can show appreciation to each other and apathy to us, the 3.75" collector. You have to admit, we got the shaft.

Yeah, I want to see Dwight do one of those dios with 6" figures and prove it cost less to do in time, materials and figures for a dio with the same number of figures in it. Better, lets see him make a 6" scale Helicarrier comparable to the Flagg and sell it for LESS than the original Flagg sold for. I bet everything I own he cannot do it and still make a profit.

CCC.

En Sabah Nerd · 07-23-2017, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MUfan97

Surprised no one is enraged at the lack of a Thanos copter around here...

It's so essential to his character.

Man you just told Hasbro how they could be printing money

Jeddostotle7 · 07-23-2017, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

Yeah, I want to see Dwight do one of those dios with 6" figures and prove it cost less to do in time, materials and figures for a dio with the same number of figures in it. Better, lets see him make a 6" scale Helicarrier comparable to the Flagg and sell it for LESS than the original Flagg sold for. I bet everything I own he cannot do it and still make a profit.

CCC.

1. Hasbro does do big 6" dios at SDCC (they put this year's one up Saturday).

2. They can't make a 6" scale Helicarrier for many reasons, some of them being ones that would keep them from even doing another 3.75" Flagg again.

LordMudd · 07-23-2017, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

1. Hasbro does do big 6" dios at SDCC (they put this year's one up Saturday).

2. They can't make a 6" scale Helicarrier for many reasons, some of them being ones that would keep them from even doing another 3.75" Flagg again.

I do like a sure thing.

CCC.

Jester · 07-23-2017, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

1. Hasbro does do big 6" dios at SDCC (they put this year's one up Saturday).

That's not relevant to the argument.

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

2. They can't make a 6" scale Helicarrier for many reasons, some of them being ones that would keep them from even doing another 3.75" Flagg again.

The point stands:

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I do like a sure thing.

LOL

kostej · 07-23-2017, 09:06 AM

I too am going to stay with and enjoy 3.75 inch scale. I am sorry, I just do not feel it for 6 inch figures. Also I like my 3.75 collection.

IMHO 3.75 line is the only one where you can create the feeling of heroes facing really large opponents (ie. FFF, Sentinels, various giants), feeling of large battles with all those buildings, vehicles etc. That will be never be possible in 6in scale.

Jeddostotle7 · 07-23-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

That's not relevant to the argument.

It is, because the initial argument implied that there weren't 6" dios at all:

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

Yeah, I want to see Dwight do one of those dios with 6" figures and prove it cost less to do in time, materials and figures for a dio with the same number of figures in it.

If LordMudd's point was that, yes, they do do 6" dios, but he'd like to see Dwight prove it cost less etc. etc., he shouldn't have worded it like they don't do 6" dios at all. That was my point from the start: correcting what seemed to be a false notion.

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Originally Posted by Jester

The point stands:

That is a significantly smaller vehicle than the Flagg. So was the 6" Black Series FO Special Forces TIE Fighter. I don't think they're likely to do vehicles much bigger than maybe 3' in any direction anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by kostej

I too am going to stay with and enjoy 3.75 inch scale. I am sorry, I just do not feel it for 6 inch figures. Also I like my 3.75 collection.

IMHO 3.75 line is the only one where you can create the feeling of heroes facing really large opponents (ie. FFF, Sentinels, various giants), feeling of large battles with all those buildings, vehicles etc. That will be never be possible in 6in scale.

That is admittedly one of the strengths of the 3.75" scale; please, don't mistake me for one of the jerks saying this scale is "objectively inferior" to 6" or anything like that, I never made that argument. I don't think it's at all impossible to do the things you mentioned in 6" scale rather than 3.75", just more expensive/less practical.

redfox · 07-23-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Runamuck

That X-23 body and head. ugh. Deathlok looks badass, though.

While I don't mind the angry masked head, they've released enough figures with alternate portraits at this point that I'm kinda assuming/hoping they'll give her an additional mask-less head. It would make sense as she did have her own comic series, in which she wore her X-force duds sans mask. Regarding the body, it's kinda there only option at keeping scale continuity after putting Jubilee and Magik on the same teen body.

Lionheart · 07-23-2017, 10:47 AM

I wish they would reissue that Falcon...

todigandbedug · 07-23-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It's definitely sad, especially since MU always seemed to be treated like the red-headed step-child of Hasbro's action figure properties (though that dubious honour now seems to have fallen upon the venerable progenitor of all action figures, G.I. Joe himself).

The paintjobs were bad, headsculpts always seemed to fall just inside the wrong end of the uncanny valley, and there were constantly-changing problems with the proportions and articulation of the base bodies (the comic-style figures accompanying the movies were much more stylistically harmonious, but always fewer and farther between). I do take some consolation, though, from the meteoric rise of 1/18th-scale Kickstarters, like Marauder Task Force, Vitruvian H.A.C.K.S., Eagle Force, Captain Action, Hell Screamerz and the like, most of which far surpass Hasbro's recent attempts in the scale. I'm particularly looking forward to the new Sectaurs and Power Lords.

Have you checked out the Zombie Lab 1:18 Kickstarter that's currently up? It's already funded and unlocking stretch goals. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...re/description

deecee4 · 07-23-2017, 11:51 AM

Only thing that looks interesting to me is that deathlok...would've liked to see him on a vintage toy biz card instead of Black Widow.

Jester · 07-23-2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

It is, because the initial argument implied that there weren't 6" dios at all:

If LordMudd's point was that, yes, they do do 6" dios, but he'd like to see Dwight prove it cost less etc. etc., he shouldn't have worded it like they don't do 6" dios at all. That was my point from the start: correcting what seemed to be a false notion.

He didn't "word it like they don't do 6" dios at all." That's a very laboured, circumlocutious interpretation of his comment.

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

That is a significantly smaller vehicle than the Flagg. So was the 6" Black Series FO Special Forces TIE Fighter. I don't think they're likely to do vehicles much bigger than maybe 3' in any direction anytime soon.

Irrelevant. The point is that they'd never be able to make and market something like that in 1/12th scale.

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

That is admittedly one of the strengths of the 3.75" scale; please, don't mistake me for one of the jerks saying this scale is "objectively inferior" to 6" or anything like that, I never made that argument. I don't think it's at all impossible to do the things you mentioned in 6" scale rather than 3.75", just more expensive/less practical.

Again, I refer you back to the above-mentioned BMF.

LordMudd · 07-23-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by todigandbedug

Have you checked out the Zombie Lab 1:18 Kickstarter that's currently up? It's already funded and unlocking stretch goals. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...re/description

Been waiting on this. That one chick in the red skirt looks a lot like Jenny Agutter's congresswoman from Civil War.

CCC.

snake5289 · 07-23-2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by todigandbedug

Have you checked out the Zombie Lab 1:18 Kickstarter that's currently up? It's already funded and unlocking stretch goals. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...re/description

Those are going to be some amazing stand-ins for Resident Evil characters. I can't wait!

Jeddostotle7 · 07-23-2017, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Irrelevant. The point is that they'd never be able to make and market something like that in 1/12th scale.

My point is that that point is irrelevant because they wouldn't be able to do something like that (specifically, the Flagg that was mentioned) in 3.75" scale these days either. It doesn't matter that they can't do it in 6" specifically if they can't do it in 3.75" either.

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Originally Posted by Jester

Again, I refer you back to the above-mentioned BMF.

I mean, if they were to do a 6" scale Millennium Falcon that was the same amount smaller than it should be in scale as the BMF was compared to the actual dimensions (aka only 40% the length it should be if it were truly in scale), it would only be 3.75 feet long. Which is big, but not entirely undoable.

Runamuck · 07-23-2017, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by redfox

While I don't mind the angry masked head, they've released enough figures with alternate portraits at this point that I'm kinda assuming/hoping they'll give her an additional mask-less head. It would make sense as she did have her own comic series, in which she wore her X-force duds sans mask. Regarding the body, it's kinda there only option at keeping scale continuity after putting Jubilee and Magik on the same teen body.

Yeah, it just looks really disproportionate, imo. Huge head and small body. And I'm sure I've seen that head and body on another figure and it made that one look awful too, imo.

Sender · 07-23-2017, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It's definitely sad, especially since MU always seemed to be treated like the red-headed step-child of Hasbro's action figure properties (though that dubious honour now seems to have fallen upon the venerable progenitor of all action figures, G.I. Joe himself).

I do take some consolation, though, from the meteoric rise of 1/18th-scale Kickstarters, like Marauder Task Force, Vitruvian H.A.C.K.S., Eagle Force, Captain Action, Hell Screamerz and the like, most of which far surpass Hasbro's recent attempts in the scale. I'm particularly looking forward to the new Sectaurs and Power Lords.

i agree, JOE drew the short straw this year in terms of foreseeable future though consolation in Renegades Roadblock. The same parallels can be drawn with MU's Skurge finally too.

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Originally Posted by deecee4

deathlok...would've liked to see him on a vintage toy biz card instead.

i was thinking the same thing.

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Originally Posted by todigandbedug

Have you checked out the Zombie Lab 1:18 Kickstarter that's currently up? It's already funded and unlocking stretch goals. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...re/description

Mos-def!

Kernel · 07-23-2017, 08:06 PM

^ yeah the X-23 head kinda looks like a bobble head or something, they may have to shrink the head a lil bit.

Also VERY dissapointed in the 3.75" showings (or lack thereof) this year. Hopefully it's better next year.

Runamuck · 07-23-2017, 09:26 PM

Who is this character?

http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/up...Update-034.jpg

LordMudd · 07-23-2017, 09:27 PM

Songbird (Thunderbolts) started out as Screaming Mimi.

CCC.

Runamuck · 07-23-2017, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

Songbird (Thunderbolts) started out as Screaming Mimi.

CCC.

Thanks for the information. Is she going to be in some sort of exclusive pack, or single pack in a wave?

Jeddostotle7 · 07-23-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Runamuck

Thanks for the information. Is she going to be in some sort of exclusive pack, or single pack in a wave?

She's gonna be in the Avengers wave.

07-22-2017, 11:33 PM	#202
Runamuck Collects things Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 927	That X-23 body and head. ugh. Deathlok looks badass, though. __________________

07-22-2017, 11:37 PM	#203
Runamuck Collects things Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 927	Quote: Originally Posted by ukmu I will stick with the mother scale. I am 3.75" lifer and I am OK that some people don't like it. I do. I like playsets and vehicles (other than a motorbike) and am.Just fine where I am at. I don't feel the need to "upgrade" or be talked down to. Even you guys have to miss the big 3.75" diorama displays at SDCC? That was cool stuff for everyone to enjoy. US not getting anything new I mean nothing except for a pack of Skittle Pools is sad. We all collect Marvel stuff and can show appreciation to each other and apathy to us, the 3.75" collector. You have to admit, we got the shaft. I miss the smaller figures, sure. But when they started going up in price, losing accessories and stands, combined with the fact that I could never find them in stores, well that put the nail in the coffin for me. Only 3.75" I'd consider now are GI Joes. __________________

07-23-2017, 12:06 AM	#205
En Sabah Nerd Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 9,794	Quote: Originally Posted by MUfan97 Surprised no one is enraged at the lack of a Thanos copter around here... It's so essential to his character. Man you just told Hasbro how they could be printing money __________________

07-23-2017, 09:06 AM	#209
kostej Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 502	I too am going to stay with and enjoy 3.75 inch scale. I am sorry, I just do not feel it for 6 inch figures. Also I like my 3.75 collection. IMHO 3.75 line is the only one where you can create the feeling of heroes facing really large opponents (ie. FFF, Sentinels, various giants), feeling of large battles with all those buildings, vehicles etc. That will be never be possible in 6in scale. __________________ #marvel375forever

07-23-2017, 12:45 PM	#215
Jester Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Gateway Station Barracks Posts: 825	Quote: Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7 It is, because the initial argument implied that there weren't 6" dios at all: If LordMudd's point was that, yes, they do do 6" dios, but he'd like to see Dwight prove it cost less etc. etc., he shouldn't have worded it like they don't do 6" dios at all. That was my point from the start: correcting what seemed to be a false notion. He didn't "word it like they don't do 6" dios at all." That's a very laboured, circumlocutious interpretation of his comment. Quote: Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7 That is a significantly smaller vehicle than the Flagg. So was the 6" Black Series FO Special Forces TIE Fighter. I don't think they're likely to do vehicles much bigger than maybe 3' in any direction anytime soon. Irrelevant. The point is that they'd never be able to make and market something like that in 1/12th scale. Quote: Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7 That is admittedly one of the strengths of the 3.75" scale; please, don't mistake me for one of the jerks saying this scale is "objectively inferior" to 6" or anything like that, I never made that argument. I don't think it's at all impossible to do the things you mentioned in 6" scale rather than 3.75", just more expensive/less practical. Again, I refer you back to the above-mentioned BMF. Last edited by Jester; 07-23-2017 at 12:47 PM..