[Enigma2K2]

I can't believe I'm saying this... but Hasbro is killing it. I gotta have that 12' Symbiote Spidey... and finally, a new She-Hulk figure!

[Snowflakian]

Skipping that Sin 6 pack, but the GOTG 5 pk is a definite bought! Never did find the comic packs. Though I do already have those cept for Groot, Gamora and the new starlord head.

[Exodus]

Hmm is it just me but it's great that they're doing a lot of Spiderman villains but didn't they already do most of those already? Only one that's actually new is doc ock and vulture. In the 3.75 line that is.

[Jeddostotle7]

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MJ - Looks fine but why does she have freckles? MJ has never had freckles in any comic book I have ever read nor any cartoon and video game.

A quick google search for Mary Jane Watson will give you plenty of art that has her with freckles.

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Spider-Man - His costume looks odd, but it could just be the lighting Hasbro used in the picture.

That's the All-New, All-Different Spider-Man costume, who's main defining feature (aside from some changes on the angles where the blue and webbed red meet) are the glowing Spider-Symbol and eyes.

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Vulture - How is this Classic Vulture? It looks nothing like him. The 4 inch toy is Classic Vulture, this one is not. I still like it, but they shouldn't be advertising it as the classic version when it isn't.

Spider-Man - Are they using the teenage Spidey buck? Because he was never that small when he fought Vulture and the costume is not even accurate to Ditko's work. Also, no web wings? WTF?

I think this two pack is actually supposed to be an Ultimate one, thus that costume for Vulture and that body and costume for Spidey.

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Oh yeah, and I have no interest in any of the characters from that A-Force pack. In fact, outside of She-Hulk and I think Sif, I don't care about anyone else. Give me a real Loki, not some gender swapped version!

Lady Loki is literally just Loki using his shapeshifting powers. Same with Teen Loki (a version of the character we don't have yet in Legends, but that could also be cool, maybe using the new male teen body).

[Louise Belcher]

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Suddenly 1 figure equals most?

Sure, there are several figures with bad paint apps, but that doesn't make it most of them.

I've seen many reviews of them with bad painting. This the worst painted toy I own, his paint rubbed off due to articualation! He has bleeding armpits, lol! And the plastic quailty isn't great either. My old childhood ToyBiz beats him in every aspect excpet for nice looking sculpt which is the only thing that going for those Marvel Legends. They're good for dispaly piece and horrible as toys.

The A-Force Series looks great, but that's it, just looks great...

[Jeddostotle7]

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I've seen many reviews of them with bad painting. This the worst painted toy I own, his paint rubbed off due to articualation! He has bleeding armpits, lol! And the plastic quailty isn't great either. My old childhood ToyBiz beats him in every aspect excpet for nice looking sculpt which is the only thing that going for those Marvel Legends. They're good for dispaly piece and horrible as toys.

The A-Force Series looks great, but that's it, just looks great...

Yeah, I've seen reviews of them with bad paint. I've seen many more with good painting. And of the many, MANY Hasbro Marvel Legends I have sitting within 5 feet of me, NONE of them have poor plastic quality, and very few of them have any noticeable paint flaws; even those who have noticeable paint flaws, said flaws are still fairly minor. You got A bad figure, and so you looked up reviews, and subconsciously remembered the negative ones more due to confirmation bias, and labeled the whole line awful.

[lordbest]

I must have close to one hundred Marvel Legends figures now and the most significant paint defect I've had was one of Misty Knights eyes being misaligned.

[Louise Belcher]

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Yeah, I've seen reviews of them with bad paint. I've seen many more with good painting. And of the many, MANY Hasbro Marvel Legends I have sitting within 5 feet of me, NONE of them have poor plastic quality, and very few of them have any noticeable paint flaws; even those who have noticeable paint flaws, said flaws are still fairly minor. You got A bad figure, and so you looked up reviews, and subconsciously remembered the negative ones more due to confirmation bias, and labeled the whole line awful.

This line is awful. I haven't even mentioned that he was completely frozen when I first got him. I never encounterd such a bad quailty issues on playline action figure before. The plastic is awful, you can see from close up how figures have chewed plastic in some parts, even in the face. It's like if Marvel Legends were their own bootleg version only more expensive...

[Jeddostotle7]

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This line is awful. I haven't even mentioned that he was completely frozen when I first got him. I never encounterd such a bad quailty issues on playline action figure before. The plastic is awful, you can see from close up how figures have chewed plastic in some parts, even in the face. It's like if Marvel Legends were their own bootleg version only more expensive...

Again, you're basing your opinion of the line's overall quality on ONE (1) personal example, and some reviews online. I'm basing my opinion of the line's overall quality on many, MANY personal examples, many reviews online, and general opinion amongst collectors. I'm not saying the line's perfect, but the positives far outweigh the negatives with this line.

[Louise Belcher]

Again, these issues appeared on other figures besides mine and can be seen in many reviews including the chewed plastic parts..

[Jeddostotle7]

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Again, these issues appeared on other figures besides mine and can be seen in many reviews including the chewed plastic parts..

Just because those issues happen sometimes on certain figures doesn't mean those issues are common enough to call the entire line garbage, or even that specific figure. You don't see people calling Hot Toys trash just because some examples of some certain figures are slightly more likely to have a fragile shoulder joint or something like that. Yes, some figures are more likely to have certain specific issues, but they're not prevalent enough to call the entire line garbage.

By the way, I've NEVER heard of the ""chewed plastic"" you speak of occuring on Marvel Legends. I've never experienced it, and I've never heard of anyone else experiencing it.

[Louise Belcher]

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Just because those issues happen sometimes on certain figures doesn't mean those issues are common enough to call the entire line garbage....

Those are seriously bad issues and the fact they aren't even that rare is outrageous.

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By the way, I've NEVER heard of the ""chewed plastic"" you speak of occuring on Marvel Legends. I've never experienced it, and I've never heard of anyone else experiencing it.

They have some sort of scratches. Unfortunately, I can't upload here pictures, however a great exmple would be Nico face close up in Jay C reveiw and some of AnthonysCustoms reviews.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Those are seriously bad issues and the fact they aren't even that rare is outrageous.

They may not be the rarest issues, but they're certainly not widespread enough to call the entire line garbage; when looking at the entire line, the number of figures with consistent (keyword: CONSISTENT, as in they show up across more than, say, ~30% of the numbers produced of that figure) significant issues relating to paint and plastic quality are quite uncommon. I have yet to find a Marvel Legends figure with genuinely terrible paint, and none have had stuck joints beyond "requires a bit more effort than normal to free it" (which, in and of itself, is rare). Again, I can reference my collection, and other people can reference theirs. I think the worst issue on any of my figures is that my Phoenix's eyes are wonky.

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They have some sort of scratches. Unfortunately, I can't upload here pictures, however a great exmple would be Nich face close up in Jay C reveiw and some of AnthonysCustoms reviews.

..."Nich" face?

[Louise Belcher]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

They may not be the rarest issues, but they're certainly not widespread enough to call the entire line garbage; when looking at the entire line, the number of figures with consistent (keyword: CONSISTENT, as in they show up across more than, say, ~30% of the numbers produced of that figure) significant issues relating to paint and plastic quality are quite uncommon. I have yet to find a Marvel Legends figure with genuinely terrible paint, and none have had stuck joints beyond "requires a bit more effort than normal to free it" (which, in and of itself, is rare). Again, I can reference my collection, and other people can reference theirs. I think the worst issue on any of my figures is that my Phoenix's eyes are wonky.

I meant Nico and 30% isn't nowhere near good! The fact not all figures are bad doesn't mean the quailty control of this line is terrible! That's the whole point!
By the way, it didn't "requires a bit more effort than normal to free it", it was way worser and took a lot of time to free this bootleg quailty crappy figure.

[Jeddostotle7]

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I meant Nico and 30% isn't nowhere near good! The fact not all figures are bad doesn't mean the quailty control of this line is terrible! That's the whole point!
By the way, it didn't "requires a bit more effort than normal to free it", it was way worser and took a lot of time to free this bootleg quailty crappy figure.

1. I don't mean that 30% of all the figures in the line are like that, I mean that the percentage of figures for which 30% of instances of those figures have significant issues is low. Let's say, a significant portion of Symbiote Spider-Man figures have significantly stuck shoulders; let's say, 40% of them do. That's a lot for that specific figure, but figures with that amount of problematic examples are uncommon, less than 10%. Ergo: less than 10% of the Marvel Legends line is composed of figures of which 30% of the produced examples of that specific figure have significant issues. Or, perhaps more helpfully: the percentage of figures in the line with significant issues is less than 10%. In this case, I define "figures with significant issues" as a figure where 30% or more of all examples of that figure have significant issues. So less than 10% of the figures in the line have more than 30% of their examples with significant issues. (None of these percentages are necessarily true, just giving an example of what I think the ballpark estimate is.) All of these are just different ways of saying the same thing I'm trying to say, seeing which one you actually understand.

2. Who the hell are you to say how stuck the joints on MY figures are? I was describing my (nearly non-existant) experience with stuck joints in Marvel Legends.

[Louise Belcher]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

They may not be the rarest issues, but they're certainly not widespread enough to call the entire line garbage; when looking at the entire line, the number of figures with consistent (keyword: CONSISTENT, as in they show up across more than, say, ~30% of the numbers produced of that figure) significant issues relating to paint and plastic quality are quite uncommon. I have yet to find a Marvel Legends figure with genuinely terrible paint, and none have had stuck joints beyond "requires a bit more effort than normal to free it" (which, in and of itself, is rare). Again, I can reference my collection, and other people can reference theirs. I think the worst issue on any of my figures is that my Phoenix's eyes are wonky.

1.That's still bad, whether it's one specific figure or an entire wave. The bad quailty isn't uncommon as you hope and they're really bad and not minor issues.

2. I talked about my figure and I remember watching reviews which said they need to heat the figure to free it. This is Playline toys for kids as well, what the hell?!

[Jeddostotle7]

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1.That's still bad, whether it's one specific figure or an entire wave. The bad quailty isn't uncommon as you hope and they're really bad and not minor issues.

2. I talked about my figure and I remember watching reviews which said they need to heat the figure to free it. This is Playline toys for kids as well, what the hell?!

Again, you're talking from the experience of ONE figure, and reading/watching some bad reviews. Not only have I bought far more figures than you have, but have consistently heard general positivity about the line from most people who collect it, and even many of the reviewers you reference have quite positive thoughts on the line overall.

[Louise Belcher]

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Again, you're talking from the experience of ONE figure, and reading/watching some bad reviews. Not only have I bought far more figures than you have, but have consistently heard general positivity about the line from most people who collect it, and even many of the reviewers you reference have quite positive thoughts on the line overall.

It's NOT ONE figure! Yes, there's general positivity where people brushed off those issues! I saw positive reviews mentioning those issues as if they were nothing or showing the figures without even talking about these issues. The fact there's hype around this line (unjustified hype, may I say) doesn't necessarily means it good.

[Jeddostotle7]

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It's NOT ONE figure! Yes, there's general positivity where people brushed off those issues! I saw positive reviews mentioning those issues as if they were nothing or showing the figures without even talking about these issues. The fact there's hype around this line (unjustified hype, may I say) doesn't necessarily means it good.

What I mean is that you, personally, are talking from having personally experienced one figure. And you can't always just brush off good reception for something as "undeserved", because that quickly becomes "no, all these people that like this thing are wrong, I'm right that this thing is garbage" for EVERYTHING that a lot of people like and you don't, instead of different people having different tastes, which then eventually becomes "everything I disagree with is wrong", which is obviously an absolutely idiotic point of view. Obviously, it's doing something right that these large amounts of people enjoy, and think it's doing that right thing more than enough to overshadow the bad things. Now, that's not to say that everything that sees massive success is right, but still, you can't always just submit to your biases and disregard widespread praise for something you dislike as "bullshit." I also think you not only seem to think the problems of the line are more prevalent than they are due to your seeming to selectively remember negative reviews, but also seem to think some more minor problems to be bigger problems than they actually are for a toyline that only costs $20 per figure.

[Autobot_Goldbug]

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FYI classic Shocker & classic Spidey are 2 pack 3.75 inch figures

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Hmm is it just me but it's great that they're doing a lot of Spiderman villains but didn't they already do most of those already? Only one that's actually new is doc ock and vulture. In the 3.75 line that is.

That Sinister 6 set are all repaints.

[Louise Belcher]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

What I mean is that you, personally, are talking from having personally experienced one figure. And you can't always just brush off good reception for something as "undeserved", because that quickly becomes "no, all these people that like this thing are wrong, I'm right that this thing is garbage" for EVERYTHING that a lot of people like and you don't, instead of different people having different tastes, which then eventually becomes "everything I disagree with is wrong", which is obviously an absolutely idiotic point of view. Obviously, it's doing something right that these large amounts of people enjoy, and think it's doing that right thing more than enough to overshadow the bad things. Now, that's not to say that everything that sees massive success is right, but still, you can't always just submit to your biases and disregard widespread praise for something you dislike as "bullshit." I also think you not only seem to think the problems of the line are more prevalent than they are due to your seeming to selectively remember negative reviews, but also seem to think some more minor problems to be bigger problems than they actually are for a toyline that only costs $20 per figure.

Again, you ignore completely my points: 1. Some POSITIVE reviews mentioned those issues but treated them as nothing 2. the fact NOT all figures are bad quailty, doesn't mean the quailty control of this line isn't terrible! This is not as uncommon as you described it! 3. Frozen joints, scrached plastic and terrible painting aren't MINOR issues! 20$ is still quite amount of money and it should refelct the value I am getting for the money! 4. The fact that many people thinks is good doesn't necessarily means it good! Facts aren't determined by the amount of people who agress with them.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Again, you ignore completely my points: 1. Some POSITIVE reviews mentioned those issues but treated them as nothing 2. the fact NOT all figures are bad quailty, doesn't mean the quailty control of this line isn't terrible! This is not as uncommon as you described it! 3. Frozen joints, scrached plastic and terrible painting aren't MINOR issues! 20$ is still quite amount of money and it should refelct the value I am getting for the money! 4. The fact that many people thinks is good doesn't necessarily means it good! Facts aren't determined by the amount of people who agress with them.

Yeah, genuinely scratched plastic, frozen joints, and terrible paint AREN'T minor issues. BUT they aren't as common as you say they are, or the line legitimately would not be as successful as it is. If you specifically listen to negative reviews and fail to listen to also listen to positive reviews in addition to said negative reviews, of course you're gonna think the line is garbage. The genuinely minor issues reviews tend to mention in my experience are slightly loose joints, minor paint blotches that aren't easily seen, lines in costume designs not being painted quite as crisply as one desires, etc. Things like you mention are noted to be significant negatives that harshly impact the review score, but they genuinelu don't come up that often. I agree that facts aren't exactly determined by the amount of people who agree with them, but with a situation like this, where we don't really have any hard numbers and can only rely on anecdotes, the fact that most people enjoy the line overall says something. Also something to take into consideration: there will always be more criticism of something online in proportion to how many people actually dislike it, because for people who otherwise would not feel compelled to leave their thoughts on something, something being bad is going to be more likely to motivate you to comment on it than something being good would, so even if more people liked something than disliked something, most of what you're gonna see online is people disliking it, because the people that liked it weren't bothered to comment on it like people who disliked it are.

I'm done with this argument, as you clearly refuse to ponder that your point of view on this subject might be wrong and formed by lack of experience and selective reports of quality.

[Chopper Face]

I want all the Netflix Marvel guys on my shelf (maybe minus Electra) and, although I'm inclined to wait for Mezco who will surely eventually produce them, the thought of having Punisher, Daredevil and Jessica Jones in plastic form fairly soon and for less than half what I'd pay for the One:12 line is very hard to resist. I haven't bought anything from the ML line for years but the Netflix and GOTG bunch are begging to be owned.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

A quick google search for Mary Jane Watson will give you plenty of art that has her with freckles.

Once again, she didn't have them in the comics I have read. I don't care if she has been drawn that way recently. She went for 40 years without freckles. Now she looks generic and bland.

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That's the All-New, All-Different Spider-Man costume, who's main defining feature (aside from some changes on the angles where the blue and webbed red meet) are the glowing Spider-Symbol and eyes.

Thanks.

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Lady Loki is literally just Loki using his shapeshifting powers. Same with Teen Loki (a version of the character we don't have yet in Legends, but that could also be cool, maybe using the new male teen body).

I don't care what form he is, whethr its female or horse, I want regular Loki.

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Originally Posted by lordbest

I must have close to one hundred Marvel Legends figures now and the most significant paint defect I've had was one of Misty Knights eyes being misaligned.

This and Kraven's eyes.

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Originally Posted by Louise Belcher

This line is awful. I haven't even mentioned that he was completely frozen when I first got him. I never encounterd such a bad quailty issues on playline action figure before. The plastic is awful, you can see from close up how figures have chewed plastic in some parts, even in the face. It's like if Marvel Legends were their own bootleg version only more expensive...

You have clearly never collected anything Mattel has released then. If you think the QC on the Marvel figures are bad, never ever touch a Mattel DC or He-Man figure.

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Originally Posted by Louise Belcher

They have some sort of scratches. Unfortunately, I can't upload here pictures, however a great exmple would be Nico face close up in Jay C reveiw and some of AnthonysCustoms reviews.

Guess what? My Nico figure has flawless paint. There's not a single smudge, out of the lines brush stroke, or anything on mine.

And I really hope you aren't basing your opinion on AnthonysCustoms. He is hands down one of the worst Youtube reviewers out there when it comes to figures. Not only is the man so monotone and boring, but all he does is talk about every single flaw a toy has and compares it to something else that did it better. I don't even think he like reviewing toys due to his attitude. Hell, he tore the new Wolverine figure to pieces for minor nitpicks rather than any actual flaws. He's also inconsistent. He talked about how unrealistic Iceman's torso was (he hated it and spent a good 1-2 minutes on it) but praised it in his Pizza Spidey review.

No one is denying there being issues, but on the grand scale of things, they are minimal compared to the number of toys produced. Also, if you see a figure with a bad paint job, pass on it until you can get a better one.

[Joe Moore]

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