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02-06-2020, 07:21 AM | #1 |
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02-06-2020, 07:24 AM | #2 |
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Am not super thrilled with the design choices for the character this time around, and they missed Margot Robbie's likeness, I think she has one of those faces that's hard to get right in sculpt. This is close but something seems off.
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02-06-2020, 08:05 AM | #3 |
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"Hey! Let's take one of the hottest actresses in Hollywood and make her look like a disgusting, disease-ridden juggalo crack whore! The kids will eat it up!"
Seriously, this figure is gross. I mean, it looks just like her, but that's the problem. |
02-06-2020, 08:19 AM | #4 |
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I don't see that being the case at all...likeness is fine here, it was really good on the figuarts figure and just ok/good enough on the Mafex figure.
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02-06-2020, 08:33 AM | #5 |
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Hard disagree. This costume looks more interesting and less creepy/sexualised than many costumes the character has had where it's just some sad middle aged creeps sexual wish fulfillment. .Suicide Squad being one of the worst offenders.
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02-06-2020, 08:43 AM | #6 |
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I don't think it's a gross look per se, but it isn't Harley Quinn to me. Side note, it's gotta burn Jussie Smollett's beans to see his sister getting a major role in Birds of Prey while he's constantly the butt of jokes and is destined to languish in obscurity hahaha
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02-06-2020, 08:48 AM | #7 |
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Personally I wish HQ used his traditional suit colors. That doesn't mean it has to be the exact same one from BTAS or anything in the new52 but it could be a uniform/costume. Though I do appreciate the patterns.
Though the character clearly uses her maniac pixie sexuality to her advantage. Also Harley is generally a villain. She's not meant to be a role model for kids. Like she's a case of someone with a mental disorder trying to be a better person given her life choices but still.... Figure wise. That looks like the actress to me. If it looks off, well it's still a scale figure stuck in one face due to being an inanimate object. |
02-06-2020, 09:41 AM | #8 |
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I agree with you that Suicide Squad design was bad. But. how is this any better? Its like some getup that was patched up together. So many good designs to go for, and they went with this crap. If they were going realistic, the Arkham City or Arkham Knight game's Harley costume would have been good, no? This is just bad, and as someone above put it, they took a beautiful looking actress and turned her into an unrecognizable "disgusting, disease-ridden juggalo crack whore". I mean come on!!! |
02-06-2020, 10:12 AM | #9 |
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That's a different scale, but I agree with you. Both Figuarts and Mafex I think have a better likeness thank this. I think even the last few Hot Toys Harley's have had better likenesses, maybes it's the smirk. Something about it just doesn't look like Margot Robbie, still a great sculpt.
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02-06-2020, 11:14 AM | #10 |
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Figure looks good but I'm not really interested. Not a fan of the costume myself, but looks eh in general. The movie is getting good reviews so who knows, maybe I'll change my mind.
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02-06-2020, 11:25 AM | #11 |
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A few posts deleted. I will not tolerate people coming in just to stir up trouble.
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02-06-2020, 11:32 AM | #12 |
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Appreciate that!
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02-06-2020, 12:11 PM | #13 |
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And the costume isn't "interesting," IMO. It looks like she mugged a homeless 70's roller skater after escaping from the methadone clinic. Quote:
The only real Harley, IMO: Geez, what did I miss? Last edited by Dolemite; 02-06-2020 at 12:17 PM.. |
02-06-2020, 12:40 PM | #14 |
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I go to 2 anime conventions a year, and since Suicide Squad's trailer (Not the release of the actual movie, just the first trailer) I've seen no less than 10 SS Harley Cosplayers per convention. I've seen classic, Arkham, gender-bent, and variants of Harley in this same time frame, but the overwhelming majority have been of the SS version. |
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This is hardly the first time I've heard this criticism, but if this is true, then I wonder why it is sooooo many girls cosplay this specific version of her?
I go to 2 anime conventions a year, and since Suicide Squad's trailer (Not the release of the actual movie, just the first trailer) I've seen no less than 10 SS Harley Cosplayers per convention. I've seen classic, Arkham, gender-bent, and variants of Harley in this same time frame, but the overwhelming majority have been of the SS version. |
02-06-2020, 02:36 PM | #16 |
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I don't understand the rationale behind this character design. She just looks angry and ugly.
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02-06-2020, 08:12 PM | #17 |
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This is hardly the first time I've heard this criticism, but if this is true, then I wonder why it is sooooo many girls cosplay this specific version of her?
I go to 2 anime conventions a year, and since Suicide Squad's trailer (Not the release of the actual movie, just the first trailer) I've seen no less than 10 SS Harley Cosplayers per convention. I've seen classic, Arkham, gender-bent, and variants of Harley in this same time frame, but the overwhelming majority have been of the SS version.
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02-06-2020, 08:18 PM | #18 |
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I’m guessing Hot Toys will make a few versions, but this expression isn’t very desirable. I think the likeness is good, but maybe an extra happier head would have been nice.
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02-06-2020, 09:56 PM | #19 |
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Speaking of which, what Phicen body would go best with that Harley Quinn head? I'm thinking Suntan mid 23b (extra detailed bits), as 12d would be an overkill. |
02-06-2020, 10:26 PM | #20 |
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This is hardly the first time I've heard this criticism, but if this is true, then I wonder why it is sooooo many girls cosplay this specific version of her?
I go to 2 anime conventions a year, and since Suicide Squad's trailer (Not the release of the actual movie, just the first trailer) I've seen no less than 10 SS Harley Cosplayers per convention. I've seen classic, Arkham, gender-bent, and variants of Harley in this same time frame, but the overwhelming majority have been of the SS version. |
02-07-2020, 02:56 AM | #21 |
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I think the reason why there are so many cosplays of SS Harley is that the costume is easy to put together. Even if it was because they liked it, that does not mean it’s a good design though. The design is extremely gaudy looking. There is no coherence to it. Neither does it communicate a harlequin look. Even the Eldar Harlequins had the right idea
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02-07-2020, 09:16 AM | #22 |
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Perhaps to put it differently, you can always evaluate between designs comparatively at least. One design can be said to communicate a character better than a different design. In that sense, since Harley is supposed to be a Harlequin, you would expect that fact to be communicated (just like Joker should communicate that he is a clown/jester). The more clearly these truths are communicated, the better the design. As an aside though, if you subscribe to a realist view rather than a nominalist/conceptualist view, then art does become an objective field. The Harley costume here would qualify under such a realist analysis as objectively ugly. But, that is outside of the scope of a toy forum for sure haha. |
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Speaking of which, what Phicen body would go best with that Harley Quinn head?
I'm thinking Suntan mid 23b (extra detailed bits), as 12d would be an overkill. *Checks Google* So they're naked porno-style bodies? Eeew, you're gross too. |
02-07-2020, 09:51 AM | #24 |
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I mean, if there was a Batman costume with a eye mask, ripped black jeans and a T-shirt with a Batman logo, its possible that many would adopt it for cosplay. Its even possible that many would like it. That does not make it a good design though, right?
Perhaps to put it differently, you can always evaluate between designs comparatively at least. One design can be said to communicate a character better than a different design. In that sense, since Harley is supposed to be a Harlequin, you would expect that fact to be communicated (just like Joker should communicate that he is a clown/jester). The more clearly these truths are communicated, the better the design. As an aside though, if you subscribe to a realist view rather than a nominalist/conceptualist view, then art does become an objective field. The Harley costume here would qualify under such a realist analysis as objectively ugly. But, that is outside of the scope of a toy forum for sure haha. Sorry you just can't accept that people like the costume. It doesn't have to literally look like a harlequin. Quote:
Again, another person who doesn't understand. I don't think Harley looks sexualized in this movie at all. I just think her character design makes her look like a super-disgusting white trash drug addict, which is the farthest from her original concept that you could possibly get.
Phicen body? *Checks Google* So they're naked porno-style bodies? Eeew, you're gross too. |
02-07-2020, 10:32 AM | #25 |
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The problem with the Harley in SS was that she looked more like a prostitute with her attire. It would be at least understandable if that was her established costume in the comics, but it wasn't the case either. Dressed like a prostitute does not communicate that one is aiming to be funny as well. So it is a mixed message i.e. incoherent. As for Harley looking like a harlequin, if she DID look like a harlequin, then the design would be coherent. Otherwise, one must concede that the design is incoherent. |
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