[Boba Fettuccini]

Just because something never happened in the comics doesn't mean it won't happen in the movies, dude.

I mean, Whiplash wasn't in the comics. Not Ivan Vanko... yet there he was, main villain of IM2.

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by KingLouie731

the only way Rhodey wears that armor is if they plan to have it stolen from him for that Coldblood guy

The stunt man who was in the pics that have been circulating the net apparently spilled the beans that Rhodes will wear it at some point. Maybe it does get stolen from him for Cold Blood but either way...there is no Osborn, this is Marvels way of giving a popular armor a cameo in a movie for the fans of it.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=61246

[DogFashionDisco]

If that is true, what is going on with the new Spiderman movie? I know Norman isn't a character in it, but is this Spiderman film Disney/Marvel or Sony? These legal issues are complete bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

I have also heard this.



The iron patriot armor is more likely just being used in the movie as an "Easter egg" for comic fans more than anything else, since the current rumor is James Rhodes (aka War Machine) is the pilot of the armor.

Due to licensing issues with Sony, Disney/Marvel Studios cannot use the Norman Osborn character in their movies. Now your other theory about a Cap inspired armor I like because there was a What If: Civil War issue that had a Captain America Armor.

[KingLouie731]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

The stunt man who was in the pics that have been circulating the net apparently spilled the beans that Rhodes will wear it at some point. Maybe it does get stolen from him for Cold Blood but either way...there is no Osborn, this is Marvels way of giving a popular armor a cameo in a movie for the fans of it.

That's Not "Iron Patriot" In IRON MAN 3 - It's War Machine!

I'm cool with it I just don't care for Norman Osborn was more of a fan of Harry and prefer Norman dead circa ASM 122

[Boba Fettuccini]

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Originally Posted by DogFashionDisco

If that is true, what is going on with the new Spiderman movie? I know Norman isn't a character in it, but is this Spiderman film Disney/Marvel or Sony? These legal issues are complete bullshit.

It's not bullshit - If I signed movie rights for my comic book universe, Tales of the Emerald City, to your film company, it stands to reason it wouldn't be fair for me to go and make my own movie with those characters after I'd signed over that responsibility to you. Marvel/Disney own the rights, but they've handed them over to Sony. Until Sony gives up those rights, Marvel Studios doesn't have use of those characters in it's Avengers Movieverse.

[Spacemafia]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

okay for those saying That the new red and blue armour is Warmachine your wrong warmachine in the comics hasnt ever weared a red + blue armour !!! i of all people should know ! so please stop saying he is i reckon the images revealing the new iron patriot armour has a some what rocket launcher device like warmachines ! doesnt mean he is ! I will eat my heart out if i see a rhodey in the suit but for now i think its very unlikely rhodey will be dressed in Red and blue

Well I can go on and on about what is in the comics and not in films, but I wont.

Look at the back of the armor....I see guns.

America owns that armor now (warmachine) and they repainted it....

[Boba Fettuccini]

Makes sense to me. All American. But a good basis for an Iron Patriot-esque story element.

[DogFashionDisco]

It's still bullshit. Creative control is an invaluable thing, but if you're literally paying for preexisting ideas and can't seem to make anything even close to being worthwhile out of all of those things that have been so beautifully magnificent in the past, you failed. That is when they (Sony, for those of you still following along) need to throw in the towel and move on to other endeavors.

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Originally Posted by Boba Fettuccini

It's not bullshit - If I signed movie rights for my comic book universe, Tales of the Emerald City, to your film company, it stands to reason it wouldn't be fair for me to go and make my own movie with those characters after I'd signed over that responsibility to you. Marvel/Disney own the rights, but they've handed them over to Sony. Until Sony gives up those rights, Marvel Studios doesn't have use of those characters in it's Avengers Movieverse.

[warmachine6]

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Originally Posted by Spacemafia

Well I can go on and on about what is in the comics and not in films, but I wont.

Look at the back of the armor....I see guns.

America owns that armor now (warmachine) and they repainted it....

yh anyone can stick guns on an iron man suit So i cannot see why it is warmachine just cause he has guns on his shoulder pads, so what ?, put he guns where ever he likes, if he looks like warmachine fair enough doesnt mean he is. im talking about rhodey wearing the armour and like i said i havent seen or heard of warmachine wearing the red & blue armour

[Pros From Dover]

I think it's basically Detroit Steel and Iron Patriot mashed up into one.

[bmorr]

then all hasbro has to do is repaint the IM2 war machine armor with little no new parts....

[Pros From Dover]

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Originally Posted by bmorr

then all hasbro has to do is repaint the IM2 war machine armor with little no new parts....

Hey!

Don't give them ideas.

[Snowflakian]

It might be a completely new Armor for Rhodes.

There's a weird armory shot that shows the MkII in the armory which shouldn't be possible since that suit is what became war machine. So either Tony rebuilt the MKII for sentimental reasons, or they gave back war machine and he ditched all the Hammer attachments for his armory. Then gave them a replacement Cap inspired one.
It does seems like a very U.S. War Machine meets Detroit Steel meets Iron Patriot.

Norman Osborn is not in this film. He'll be in the later on Spider-man flicks(slow build for the death of gwen).

[Pros From Dover]

That IS kinda odd that the MKII is in the armory. Oops. A little continuity error there, I think.

Pretty sure the DS/IP mash up isn't a new armor for Rhodes, there is a picture of white guy in it.

Gee, isn't speculation fun?

My wife will refuse to see the new Spidey movie since Gwen is in it. Now when they kill here off...that'll be a different story.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Pros From Dover

That IS kinda odd that the MKII is in the armory. Oops. A little continuity error there, I think.

Pretty sure the DS/IP mash up isn't a new armor for Rhodes, there is a picture of white guy in it.

Gee, isn't speculation fun?

My wife will refuse to see the new Spidey movie since Gwen is in it. Now when they kill here off...that'll be a different story.

I'm wondering if it's a continuity flaw or a reason behind the swap.
The stunt actor had already copped to the fact he's stunting for Rhodes. Granted in post that can always change too and it doesn't mean the armor won't eventually change hands either.

[Pros From Dover]

Ooh...hadn't seen the part about a stand-in. Missed that part entirely.

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

yh anyone can stick guns on an iron man suit So i cannot see why it is warmachine just cause he has guns on his shoulder pads, so what ?, put he guns where ever he likes, if he looks like warmachine fair enough doesnt mean he is. im talking about rhodey wearing the armour and like i said i havent seen or heard of warmachine wearing the red & blue armour

Lol, why you in such denial? Read the link I posted. I really think the armor is only a quick cameo appearance scene with Rhodes wearing it and Tony making fun of it saying that's the worst fashion sense he's ever seen. Now THAT would make more sense, get a good audience laugh and give fan boys a chance to see the iron patriot armor on the big screen all in one shot.

My guess rhodey gets one full action scene in the armor before Tony makes fun of it. End of iron patriot armor use in movie.

Since this movie is supposed to put more focus on an extremis story line and Mandarin I think it makes more sense this is just a quick cameo.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

Lol, why you in such denial? Read the link I posted. I really think the armor is only a quick cameo appearance scene with Rhodes wearing it and Tony making fun of it saying that's the worst fashion sense he's ever seen. Now THAT would make more sense, get a good audience laugh and give fan boys a chance to see the iron patriot armor on the big screen all in one shot.

My guess rhodey gets one full action scene in the armor before Tony makes fun of it. End of iron patriot armor use in movie.

Since this movie is supposed to put more focus on an extremis story line and Mandarin I think it makes more sense this is just a quick cameo.

That'd be aping avengers too much with the Tony Steve style talk.

It probably has a more prominent role than that. Really depends on how they plan to approach Extremis, but Rhodes and Pepper are Ironman Mainstays that'll get little to zero Avengers screentime. Chances are they'll use this to continue on that trend. Especially for war machine since they've been talking about a spin-off again. Now for that to happen though, this US War Machine armor will have to get pretty mangled up, taken away for a new pilot, or otherwise out of commission.

Who knows, really the story potential is full open for any direction so long as the main story is cohesive.

[Boba Fettuccini]

ABout the continuity error... in Tony's place, with the resources I had, I'd just build a new Mk II for display purposes.

My concern is the fact that the Mk I is on display... that thing was trashed in the middle of a desert, and then stolen by Stane...

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Boba Fettuccini

ABout the continuity error... in Tony's place, with the resources I had, I'd just build a new Mk II for display purposes.

My concern is the fact that the Mk I is on display... that thing was trashed in the middle of a desert, and then stolen by Stane...

And then probably recovered by Stark. Stane did have it in a stark industries lab so they could reverse engineer it to make Monger. So after the Monger incident. Stark probably cobbled it back together from stane's reverse engineering just as a keepsake.

The MKII kind of surprises me though in that regard, since yeah, he'd have to have it completely fabricated new. But why make an inferior armor that could act up at high altitudes? This is why I lean US War Machine is a new suit entirely. The MKII has always had issues in comparison to the MKIII and other advancements. The Hammer armanents are also buggy as all hell and would need a complete overhaul too. So It makes sense that Stark might grant Rhodes something only he can use through biometrics or something to keep the rest of the potential pilots out of it. Again, too little info to know what's going on entirely or how much they are bothering with continuity. Lots of possibilities, potential, and theories, not enough hard facts.

[Greenskar]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

That'd be aping avengers too much with the Tony Steve style talk.

It probably has a more prominent role than that. Really depends on how they plan to approach Extremis, but Rhodes and Pepper are Ironman Mainstays that'll get little to zero Avengers screentime. Chances are they'll use this to continue on that trend. Especially for war machine since they've been talking about a spin-off again. Now for that to happen though, this US War Machine armor will have to get pretty mangled up, taken away for a new pilot, or otherwise out of commission.

Who knows, really the story potential is full open for any direction so long as the main story is cohesive.

I'm not quite seeing where you were going with this. Aping the Avengers how? Since this world plays into the Avengers universe also, I can see the US military, post Avengers incident with Loki and the questionable status of Captain America who answers to Shield currently, attempting to establish Rhodey as a the definitive American symbol by painting his armor the colors of the flag (which fan boys will recognize as Iron Patriot design). I think you did misinterpret what I meant by rhodey having a small scene. I didn't mean a small scene for his character as a whole for the movie, I meant just a small cameo for the Iron Patriot armor with Rhodey in it. I can certainly see him reverting back to his grey and black armor and saving Tony's ass later in the movie.

Now while this is all conjecture on my behalf, I think something like the above is not only feasible but would make for some humorous dialogue between Tony and Rhodey who also happen to be friends, ie- "nice colors, not very original". It's certainly not unlike Tony to take verbal jabs at his friends, coworkers or pretty much anyone for that matter.

While a War Machine spinoff may be a consideration for Marvel Studios, that doesn't indicate whatsoever that this armor would be something extending beyond this movie for Rhodey himself but could be if, like others have suggested, this armor gets stolen and worn by someone like Coldblood. So if that's where you were going with it, then yeah I guess I could see that.

[Spacemafia]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

yh anyone can stick guns on an iron man suit So i cannot see why it is warmachine just cause he has guns on his shoulder pads, so what ?, put he guns where ever he likes, if he looks like warmachine fair enough doesnt mean he is. im talking about rhodey wearing the armour and like i said i havent seen or heard of warmachine wearing the red & blue armour

Well Howard Stark had nothing to do with the Captain America project and The Hulk project was never to try and make another Captain America.

Rick Jones was in the first hulk comic and partnered with Hulk and Cap but has yet to show up on screen.

How come Bruce didnt save some kid (Rick Jones) like in the comics that made him become the Hulk? If it wasnt for Rick then we would have no Hulk....

So if we go by what your saying then all the movies we have watched the last few years are figments of our imagination cause stuff that happened in those that didnt happen in the comics is just a down right lie....

IM3 is less then a year away....so I guess we will see then?

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Greenskar

I'm not quite seeing where you were going with this. Aping the Avengers how? Since this world plays into the Avengers universe also, I can see the US military, post Avengers incident with Loki and the questionable status of Captain America who answers to Shield currently, attempting to establish Rhodey as a the definitive American symbol by painting his armor the colors of the flag (which fan boys will recognize as Iron Patriot design). I think you did misinterpret what I meant by rhodey having a small scene. I didn't mean a small scene for his character as a whole for the movie, I meant just a small cameo for the Iron Patriot armor with Rhodey in it. I can certainly see him reverting back to his grey and black armor and saving Tony's ass later in the movie.

Now while this is all conjecture on my behalf, I think something like the above is not only feasible but would make for some humorous dialogue between Tony and Rhodey who also happen to be friends, ie- "nice colors, not very original". It's certainly not unlike Tony to take verbal jabs at his friends, coworkers or pretty much anyone for that matter.

While a War Machine spinoff may be a consideration for Marvel Studios, that doesn't indicate whatsoever that this armor would be something extending beyond this movie for Rhodey himself but could be if, like others have suggested, this armor gets stolen and worn by someone like Coldblood. So if that's where you were going with it, then yeah I guess I could see that.

Aping dialogue and jokes from the avengers is what I'm refering to. You can't keep audiences interested if you keep rehashing the same dialogue and jokes 5 different ways to sunday.

Stark mocking steve's outfit in Avengers, and then turning around and doing the same to rhodey would be reusing the same joke. It's not really funny enough to turn into a running gag that can start to come across as making Tony anti-patriotic which is a marketing point to avoid. Especially in these days. Though it is still fun to see Stark stick it to the government. xD

As for the spin-off potential. If it's on the table right now, in discussions there are many ways they can approach it with this movie as a setup. Either way though it'd need room to help establish rhodes more as a presence to prep him for it. As for Extremis, it can go any direction. This isn't the comics so he could end up becoming Detroit steel, stealing it, or just outright destroying it as Rhodes attempts to play secret service iron patriot for the president. Likely though, we'd see this armor sticking around throughout in some fashion (just maybe not sequels unless the armor wasn't built by stark, but instead was from another company stealing the plans or reverse engineering the old war machine armor). Because of the paint job, like captain america, it's iconic for america's technological superiority.
Though that could just be as simple as keeping the chest plate around as a trophy or the helmet too for the mandarin's mantle.

My point was, the story is entirely open depending on how they want to approach it. From the sounds of it though, we're getting a very spymaster/extremis/hands of the mandarin type story. There has been a lot of talk about Tony without his armor and where he's going next on the corporate end alongside corporate espionage happening to him. I'm also still wondering what's up with that armory goof or if it'll even be explained. All around though, when you're building a cinematic universe, this is how other stuff gets forced on directors. The same happened with Raimi on Spidey 3 when venom was going to spin-off out of it. Though in this instance, I don't expect the forced choices to be what hampers the movie. I'm kind of still concerned about their initial director pick.

[Greenskar]

Ok that makes more sense. As far as rehashing jokes, expect it to happen if you stick an armor that looks like an iron rip off of Captain America to the non comic book reading public. When you don't want to have to explain something...turn it into a joke, seems to be Hollywood's answer to things of this nature. If Steve Rogers isn't piloting it, non comic fans are going to scream "lame" first chance they get if a serious approach to making a star spangled armor is taken, or at least i would expect so. Let's not even get into Detroit Steel, he's lame enough as it is.

Based on the characters that are rumored to be included in this movie it seems like they could borrow elements of "The Haunted" story line and "Extremis". Bear in mind I said borrow elements, so I don't expect this to be the exact same story for either, but it is a decent outline to weave a new story for the big screen from I think. Then it would give opportunities to include nods to the more recent Fraction run on Invincible Iron Man if they want to encourage viewers to check out the comic.

And since Avengers movie seems to be influencing comic continuity these days with stories tailored for a new post Avengers movie audience, I could see them adding a character like Detroit Steel, as you mentioned...I shudder at the thought though, lol.

I just hope this movie turns out to be a good watch. Here's hoping.

[trebleshot]

I honestly wish Jon Favreau would come back.

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Originally Posted by DogFashionDisco

It's still bullshit. Creative control is an invaluable thing, but if you're literally paying for preexisting ideas and can't seem to make anything even close to being worthwhile out of all of those things that have been so beautifully magnificent in the past, you failed. That is when they (Sony, for those of you still following along) need to throw in the towel and move on to other endeavors.

While fans might believe that (and the same applies to Fox and FF/X-Men), Sony won't give up the rights until Spider-Man no longer makes them money. Also, consider how long it took for them to sort out all those rights issues just to get the first Spider-Man movie off the ground.

I think the only way Sony will let the rights revert back to Marvel at this point would be if ASM bombs hard at the box office next week.

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

yh anyone can stick guns on an iron man suit So i cannot see why it is warmachine just cause he has guns on his shoulder pads, so what ?, put he guns where ever he likes, if he looks like warmachine fair enough doesnt mean he is. im talking about rhodey wearing the armour and like i said i havent seen or heard of warmachine wearing the red & blue armour

For one, Rhodey isn't the only one to have piloted an armor called War Machine in the comics. Tony flew in it first.

Two, the armor can be repainted. As others have pointed out, just because it didn't happen in the comics doesn't mean it can't happen in the films. And just because it happened in the comics, doesn't mean it will happen in the movie-verse.

Three, Detroit Steel was built by Hammer Industries in the comics. In the movie-verse, the modifications made to the MK II to create War Machine were done by Hammer. So it stands to reason that the movie version of Detroit Steel would look very similar to the movie-verse War Machine.

Also, Hammer would have had plenty of time to study Tony's tech while they were modifying it for the Air Force. What if Hammer created a copy of the MKII and made the modifications on it, gave it to Rhodey, but kept the original MKII? That way he'd still have a Stark suit to use as a template for Detroit Steel or the like.

Oh and the movie version of Whiplash was a mash-up of the comic versions of Whiplash and the Crimson Dynamo. Given that, I would not at all be surprised if IM3 decides to mash-up Detroit Steel and Iron Patriot in a similar fashion.