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10-18-2009, 10:59 PM | #26 |
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Even if JSI were to produce 1/32 scale, don't expect it to sell for the $15 to $25 price tag. Think more like $55 to $100.
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I'd rather them keep their focus on 1/18 scale like they are doing. At least until they get more of the subjects that collectors/fans have been asking for over and over out, yet no other manufacturer has had the guts to do.
Hell they were planning both 32X and 1/18 XD Phantoms when the Phantom was announced at Toy Fair 2007. Quote:
well said these aircraft are truly works of art, not toys. and fame master has produced a 1/32 f-14 and well it s $150
JSI wouldn't do something like Tamiya and Fame Master because they know their market is different. We aren't guys who necessarily have the time to build and paint kits from scratch. I doubt JSI's Tomcat would have anywhere near the amount of parts that Fame Master's F-14A has. All I would expect from a 32X Tomcat are the following:
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but , hopefully for those who want pilots perhaps they will produce them in the future.
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another thing why would you put a gi joe in such a fine aircraft, this is a replica not a toy.
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GI Joe collectors do in a small way broaden the fan base and consumption of 1/18 scale military items. Here is another reason that an A-10 should be produced in 1/18 scale.....think Rattler.....it will appeal to GI Joe fans the same way the F-14 does.
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I can see where GI Joe fans would want to put a Joe in one of these. The Skystriker was an F-14 after all and true 1/18 scale make Hasbro's stuff look well....small.
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Forget European Jets and WWII right now.....the 1/18 scale community NEEDS and WANTS an A-10 WARTHOG!!!!!!!!
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They have no competition now so strike while the timing is right.
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Don't let us collectors/fans down with this one JSI, you have given us renewed hope.
One thing to consider to, is how much you guys would be willing to pay for an A-10. I think it's a worthy addition to the 1/18 line but like the Tomcat, it is a large aircraft, and has several weapons. Right off the bat I would say there are at least 4 releases we can speculate about:
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10-19-2009, 08:26 AM | #27 |
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$100 is a stretch, I highly doubt a 32X Tomcat would go for that price. $60 is more reasonable, that's the price BBI's Phantom went for, and that one was an online exclusive that never went to the big 3(Walmart, TRU, Target). Not to mention both aircraft are similar in size, it's not like an F/A-18 compared to an F-14, where one is way smaller than the other.1/18 won't end anytime soon for JSI, and 32X products will not get in the way of their 1/18 products, it never did when 21st made both 1/18 XD and 32X products. 32X isn't something for release immediately.
Hell they were planning both 32X and 1/18 XD Phantoms when the Phantom was announced at Toy Fair 2007. Fame Master's F-14 costs $150 because of the high amount of small parts. The higher the amount of small parts, the higher the tooling cost for the molds. I have that model and you guys would not believe how many pieces it comes with. Sure at 1/32 scale, the Tomcat is not a giant but the amount of parts is the most I have ever seen for a pre-painted 1/32 model. Tamiya's Tomcats go for high prices because the amount of parts as well. Quote:
Both planes appeal to fans as well, because they are unique, and because their supposed successors cannot do the job the same way that they can. For example, the F-35A will take on the A-10's role when it's retired but it can't do the job as well as the A-10. The F-16 was tested with a 30mm gunpod in order to see if it was a feasible replacement; it wasn't.
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Oh believe me, they know.
Not trying to rant or come across in a bad way, but part of the main problems that has been created in the 1/18 scale hobby is fans/collectors being told they are being listened to and want to give them what they want, but then the products that are produced aren't what is being asked for by the majority. This has lead to alot of disinterests and loss of collectors/fans. Quote:
That's just the thing; as JSI and longtime XD fans remember, the competition is very quiet. JSI does not want overlap. 21st Century Toys was a big learning lesson for them. I don't think ANYONE is happy with what happened after Toy Fair 2007; a 1/18 Phantom announced by 2 entirely different companies and 2 years later STILL no Phantom. The Phantom was not the only time that both companies planned to release the same aircraft. The ME-262 and F-86 Sabre come to mind. Hell even the Mosquito, it wasn't a big secret that Roy Sutherland, CEO of 21st was a huge fan of the Mosquito. The WWII fans wanted it, and years later who announced plans for it when 21st was gone? Admiral Toys.
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I don't think they will. They strive to outdo themselves, chances are, as good as the Tomcat will turn out, the Flanker and Eagle will probably surpass it. They do not want to live in 21st Century's shadow, they know 21st Century Toys had suspect quality control.
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One thing to consider to, is how much you guys would be willing to pay for an A-10. I think it's a worthy addition to the 1/18 line but like the Tomcat, it is a large aircraft, and has several weapons. Right off the bat I would say there are at least 4 releases we can speculate about:
The schemes you mentioned I agree would be the primary ones to make and the top sellers. However, you wouldn't have to re-tool anything to release an A-10A as on OA-10 version. They are the same exact platform in everyway except for odinance loadout.....again...seperate weapons packages could be sold to meet this. Even an A-10A model could be passed off as an A-10C model almost. Retooling of the cockpit interior, glass cockpit instead of gauges and dials, and the addition of one or two antennas is all that is needed to make the mold an A versus a C. Kind of a mute point to wonder how much collectors/fans are willing to pay for a 1/18 scale A-10 in my opinion. With sale of the F-14 apparently doing very well from retailer comments, I think fans/collectors have made a statement that they are willing to purchase 1/18 scale jets they truly want that fall in this price range. With the F-14 selling for roughly $225, I don't think there is any reason why JSI could not produce an A-10 in 1/18 scale that would be at or under this price. I would like to think it could be sold under that price. An A-10 built to the same standards as JSI's F-14 would be a steal for that price range. Fans/Collectors I know would support it if JSI will listen to them and make it. I hope we see great things from JSI.... |
10-19-2009, 10:25 AM | #28 |
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man screw all that i want a 1/18 spruce goose, ...
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10-19-2009, 10:46 AM | #29 |
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It was rumored that if Admiral Toys had gone into the 1/32 scale market with their Kate, it would have been selling for least $45-$50.
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The A-10 is planned to be retired until 2028. That will give it one of the longest service time records for any military aircraft. Who knows what will change in that time frame. They may increase its service life even further, but I doubt it will be shortened.
annot be said with regards to the Tomcat and A-10 replacements. Quote:
This tells me that we should have players in the field now that are willing to work with eachother.
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Not trying to rant or come across in a bad way, but part of the main problems that has been created in the 1/18 scale hobby is fans/collectors being told they are being listened to and want to give them what they want, but then the products that are produced aren't what is being asked for by the majority. This has lead to alot of disinterests and loss of collectors/fans.
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Kind of a mute point to wonder how much collectors/fans are willing to pay for a 1/18 scale A-10 in my opinion.
One thing that has to be known as well, is that it can't just be modern stuff that is made. We all want modern models but JSI has to make profit to fund these releases as well. Once the F-14 and F-15 are released, we'll have all of the "teen" fighters, well most of the regular ones that is. WWII stuff has always sold and been popular, this isn't just limited to models but is also seen in games. The F-86 and MIG-15 releases were good because the main rivals of the Korean Air War were knocked out within 1 year. Amongst releases that fans want, what is left? From what I've observed through the years:
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10-19-2009, 10:55 AM | #30 |
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don't forget the f-111 Aardvark and i would love to see a desert camo a-10 or grey camo a-10.
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10-19-2009, 11:22 AM | #31 |
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don't forget the f-111 Aardvark and i would love to see a desert camo a-10 or grey camo a-10.
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10-19-2009, 01:52 PM | #32 |
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About the european figthers, what about the french Rafale?
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10-19-2009, 05:13 PM | #33 |
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Yes but the Kate and Corsair they were planning were going to have many more removable and moving parts than 21st's 32X releases. If you have just an opening canopy, swing wings, and retractable landing gear on the Tomcat, it's nowhere near as many pieces as Fame Master's 4D 1/32 Tomcat.
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Yes but my point was, like the Tomcat, it's successors don't actually "succeed" it. It's not like the F-14 and F-15 replacing the Phantom or F/A-18 replacing the Corsair, the 3 "teen" fighters outdid their predecessors in many ways, but the same cannot be said with regards to the Tomcat and A-10 replacements.
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Oh believe me I know. I've been asking for a Tomcat since 2005 and before me there were other fans asking for it as well. At around the same time you saw guys beg for the Warthog and even one guy going on a hunger strike.
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I personally think we are going to see a Warthog before a Phantom.
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It isn't a mute point. If JSI wasn't wondering about that and the competition, don't you guys think they would have just gotten 21st's original prototype, prepped it for mass production and released it already? According to the boys at 21st, the last I heard, the prototype was still intact, and that was made years ago. Yet we are getting the Tomcat 1st.
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One thing that has to be known as well, is that it can't just be modern stuff that is made. We all want modern models but JSI has to make profit to fund these releases as well. Once the F-14 and F-15 are released, we'll have all of the "teen" fighters, well most of the regular ones that is. WWII stuff has always sold and been popular, this isn't just limited to models but is also seen in games. The F-86 and MIG-15 releases were good because the main rivals of the Korean Air War were knocked out within 1 year.
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Amongst releases that fans want, what is left? From what I've observed through the years:
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The Phantom and Warthog were some of the 1st planes I brought up to JSI, and they have taken into account the demand for them.
Looking at the length of my last two posts, I think I may be enjoying this discussion a bit much..... |
10-19-2009, 05:33 PM | #34 |
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The desert camo or "Peanut Camo" carried by some of the 47th FS's A-10s for a short time was cool, but an A-10 from that squadron in the current low vis gray over gray scheme would be even cooler to me. I like the look of the nose art and the gray shows it off very well: Last edited by Warthog76; 10-19-2009 at 05:49 PM.. |
10-19-2009, 05:46 PM | #36 |
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hell yeah why not a spruce goose with a little leonardo dicrapio figure so we can all burn his face off with a magnifying glass in the sun for screwing up what could have been a good movie (the aviator), he should have drowned in the making of titanic.
yeah i think if jsi is listening to thier fans an a-10 will be in the mix of things soon. i want one for sure. Last edited by sapphireneonut; 10-19-2009 at 05:52 PM.. |
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I was looking through some pictures of the A-10 on the web and here is one I found of an A-10 in a winter camo scheme. I believe this was back when they were running the JAWS program and experimenting with different camo patterns and colors for different environments. Although it isn't a well known or very documented scheme, it's cool none the less.
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10-19-2009, 11:43 PM | #39 |
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That would be great in my book but I want the F-4 fans to get their beloved aircraft too. They've been tossed around as much as collectors/fans wanting an A-10 have. From what I've seen, they are pretty much one in the same.
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F-5 Tiger (Rumor was out at one time about one, but the response was not very warm from fans/collectors.)
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MI-24 HIND (This is the A-10 of helicopters for 1/18 scale. However, you mentioned in an earlier post the problem with this one seen by manufacturers.)
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F-22 Raptor (?....Haven't seen it mentioned much at all and the fact that it really has no history record other than movie appearances.) Quote:
AH-1 Cobra, reissue or more modernized variant (This would be nice, but with the slow sales of the previous Cobra release, who knows.)
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F-105 Thunderchief (Falls in the same category as the A-4.) I also have to add, JSI is based on China, they may be working on intel that we have no clue about. The F-4 and A-10 are definitely on their minds, they are some of the 1st aircraft I mentioned to them. The F-4 and A-10 aren't planes they are just pushing aside because of sales data from some styrene kits, they are releases that if made, they want to time right. Would release dates after the Flanker and Eagle releases be good? Of course, well to us because we only know of what we see and right now we see a market where JSI is the only 1/18 scale company actively working on releases. Yet JSI knows that they might not be the only ones, and if anyone would know, it's them, not us. JSI themselves came out of the blue so to speak, so they know other companies may do the same, you never know. If Admiral is still talking with the other companies to prevent overlap, well GOOD. I hope nothing gets in the way of a JSI Phantom and Warthog. |
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If JSI ends up making both, it's going to be one before the other, I highly doubt it will be a simultaneous release, because both might be brand new molds, developed and completed at different times.
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I remember it being welcomed, just no one knew where the hell the prototype went. The F-5 is an easy money maker.
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F-22...It's the latest and best fighter the US has right now.
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Not from what I've seen/read. When taking part in polls for 1/18 aircraft from the Vietnam war, the F-105 was near the top with the F-4.
The point is, of those three aircraft, none of them are in demand like the A-10 or F-4 are by fans/collectors. If JSI is proposing that they are going to be different and open to what collectors/fans want and they want to set themselves apart from the previous manufacturers, they have two golden opportunities with which they can accompolish this. Quote:
I hope nothing gets in the way of a JSI Phantom and Warthog.
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10-20-2009, 09:51 AM | #41 |
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I really don't think you are going to see Admiral or bbi putting up any roadblocks.
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It may be small and cheaper to make, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be an easy money maker.
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10-20-2009, 08:56 PM | #42 |
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Much more repaints than the F-104 and other previous 1/18 releases. The F-5 IMHO would have been a much hotter seller than the F-104. This isn't to say the F-104 is bad, it's good actually, but the F-5 is still in use today, has BEEN in use for decades, showed up in movies. Hell the Aggressor schemes alone provide plenty of repaint potential, and that's just the Aggressor schemes from the past, not counting the recent Sundowners schemes and more.
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Better to put the time, money, and resources into subjects that are not only going to sell, but will also build your company image with it's customers.
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10-20-2009, 09:12 PM | #44 |
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Also to kill more birds with one stone, for the F-4 and A-10 fans, list which specific versions/variants you'd like to see. Hell whatever plane you want, list the versions you want to see and want me to ask JSI about.
For me a USN F-4J is a must, as well as an F-4E w/SEA camo and sharkmouth. F-4J would look good in VF-96 CAG colors(Showtime 100 AKA the bird Duke Cunningham used when he became an ace), as well as Sundowners. A VF-84 F-4 would be good to accompany the VF-84 Tomcat. |
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For the A-10:
Gray over Gray Scheme 1st Choice 2nd Choice Lizard Camo Scheme Other notable schemes: Last edited by Warthog76; 10-20-2009 at 10:17 PM.. |
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Dear blank:
I can't tell the final answer since I am not the boss but I'm sure that A-10 is always in our mind and we really hope to release. Take care & all the best~ All the best, Sam Welcome to JS International Limited I think sam is hinting to a future a-10 project, you tell me? Last edited by sapphireneonut; 10-21-2009 at 07:37 AM.. |
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I think sam is hinting to a future a-10 project, you tell me?
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10-21-2009, 02:30 PM | #48 |
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bryce armstrong, $50 for shipping
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10-21-2009, 10:33 PM | #49 |
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10-22-2009, 05:39 AM | #50 |
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thats what he told me, and thats with dhl i believe, talk to'em see what they say, they gave me a discount for having been in the military though. but talking to'em can't hurt. what squadron are you wanting if i may ask?
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