[bmorr]

I think i know of a decent villain for the film, one that gave the league a hard time was the robot that copied their powers, damned if i could remember the guys name.

[1andonly5711]

brainieact mispeled

[bmorr]

no not brainiac.

[Barefootabe]

amazo?

[hrothgars]

Whatever it is, it should be 02h 45m long and Michael Bay should NOT be allowed to direct it.

They could do worse than the New 52 Justice League Vol. 2 issues 1-6 story arc:

[SPOILER]Bats meets Hal. They fight a Parademon, realize it's an alien. Looking for answers, they seek out Superman. Supes doesn't know either of them from Adam, senses they may be a threat and they briefly fight (huge fanboy moment). The Flash joins in and eventually cooler heads prevail, then they team up and fight a bunch of Parademons. During the climax battle, Aquaman + Wonder Woman respond to the super crisis to protect their respective civilizations from the threat and join in to turn the balance. Boom, the Justice League. If appropriate, throw Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, Red Tornado, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Captain Marvel, etc. into a few closing battle background shots for cameos. Closing credits reveal all the parademon activity was heralding the arrival of Darkseid. Boom, Justice League sequel.[/SPOILER]

DC will get what they want from a contemporary comics based story consistent with the reboot. Fans get to plop down their $15 for the experience. Bad guys can be totally annihilated since they aren't human. Win Win Win.

Personally, a good Amazo story would be just fine by me, but I could live with the above.

EDIT: Apparently spoiler tags don't work.

[bmorr]

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amazo?

bingo

[Barefootabe]

i think amazo would be great and if they went that route then they could have the " big badass killer robot" before the avengers have a movie with ultron

[skier352]

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Originally Posted by ashketch

I agree its going to take alot of work.. but im thinking they are going to have to be a bit more darker than the avengers.. DC heroes are the purest in terms of superhero and they are going to have to face a threat where they can actually lose and make it believable.. I mean, a guy like superman and mix him up with batman, green lantern, and wonderwoman. They have so much firepower you are gonna have to smack something apocalyptic at them. (especially if in their own movies they face a world disaster every single time and fix it single handedly)

Then kill one of 'em!

[Onslaught]

I think one of the main issues with this movie is going to be Superman.

He can do almost everything, the general public will find it hard to understand why there is a super-hero team when the one guy can do it all.

They will really need to explain and have a great reason to bring them together.

"Oh no! There is a crisis some distance away, everyone get prepared and jump into the jet and we....... Oh, all good, Supes is already there."

[ToyAddict]

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

I think one of the main issues with this movie is going to be Superman.

He can do almost everything, the general public will find it hard to understand why there is a super-hero team when the one guy can do it all.

They will really need to explain and have a great reason to bring them together.

"Oh no! There is a crisis some distance away, everyone get prepared and jump into the jet and we....... Oh, all good, Supes is already there."

They managed pretty well in the Justice League cartoon. If nothing else, do it by numbers or distance. For all Supe's powers, he still can't be everywhere at once. And/or he can only fight so many at once.

Or here's a plot. . .someone actually captures Superman. The whole world goes to pot, with criminals being emboldened by Superman's absence. This brings out every superhero there is to try to hold on to peace and order. In this, they cross paths and realize they need to team up to find Superman AND beat all the baddies at the same time. At the end they find Superman and he goes crazy on them. At the end he says something like, "Hey, we can do some good if we work together like this. Whaddya say?" (Stealing that from Iron Man in EMH)

I think Darkseid and the New Gods would have to be the villains in this plot.

[ashketch]

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Originally Posted by ToyAddict

They managed pretty well in the Justice League cartoon. If nothing else, do it by numbers or distance. For all Supe's powers, he still can't be everywhere at once. And/or he can only fight so many at once.

Or here's a plot. . .someone actually captures Superman. The whole world goes to pot, with criminals being emboldened by Superman's absence. This brings out every superhero there is to try to hold on to peace and order. In this, they cross paths and realize they need to team up to find Superman AND beat all the baddies at the same time. At the end they find Superman and he goes crazy on them. At the end he says something like, "Hey, we can do some good if we work together like this. Whaddya say?" (Stealing that from Iron Man in EMH)

I think Darkseid and the New Gods would have to be the villains in this plot.

I think that's gonna come off a bit strong.. I think people are going to have a hard time believing someone as strong as superman getting captured so easily off the bat. I just can't see this movie being successful without any type of build up. My biggest worry is when you put this team together u have to pit them against something they can actually lose to which isn't much.

[thechris]

Don't forget, in the DCUA, Superman was greatly powered down. He found it hard to stop trains, got hurt by electricity and explosions and couldn't breathe in space. If he was like that, it'd be fine. I mean Thor and Hulk were practically impervious portrayed in the Avengers movie and we still ate it up. Like at no point were those aliens even a threat it seemed. He needs the others because even Superman can't do it alone. He can't take on multiple baddies at the same time and when they have Kryptonite, he's useless. Make Darkseid the main villain, the parademons as fodder to keep the heroes busy and all his other weirdo buddies like Granny Goodness and stuff would probably make for interesting action sequences.

[ashketch]

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Originally Posted by thechris

Don't forget, in the DCUA, Superman was greatly powered down. He found it hard to stop trains, got hurt by electricity and explosions and couldn't breathe in space. If he was like that, it'd be fine. I mean Thor and Hulk were practically impervious portrayed in the Avengers movie and we still ate it up. Like at no point were those aliens even a threat it seemed.

This is true but they had more limitations. There was always some type of drawback to them. Superman has only one limit and that's kryptonite. Imagine the same situation in the avengers but put superman in it. They would only need him to fight with his hulk level strength, endless eye beam, super light speed, and infinite stamina. It's kind of hard to put superman in a losing situation without setting up for it or using kryptonite.

[tlasjr]

I think we won't see everyone in the first movie. I would expect around 6 members to start. I predict the following and for these formulaic reasons

Superman The idol who sees things in black and white
Batman The guardian who does what he has to
The Flash The newcomer comedic relief that has the serious moment that brings S&B together
Green Lantern They seem comminted to a second movie.
Wonder Woman They need the hot chick
Cyborg They need an African American
Aquaman possible but not 100%

no hawks, canaries or robrins.
No green arrow because of the tv show. No Martian manhunter in the first movie.

Oh and note on TheChris's earlier post that Christopher reeve movies were good but he wasn't THE Superman. If he's not why would you cite him.
The screen time of the major supermen

Chris Reeve 4 movies, 6 hours.
George Reeves 102 hours
Dean Cain 87 Hours
Gerard Christopher 74 hours
Tom Welling 217 hours.
Brandon Routh 2 hours though really he was playing Reeve, playing Superman

So if Christopher Reeve isn't THE Superman why does everyone focus on him? I own all ten seasons of Smallville and would be thrilled if Welling got the role in Justice Leauge but as it stands right now, YES Christopher Reeve is THE Superman.

You're right though, whoever is playing him better not repeat Rouths mistake and own the character themselves. It's like Bond. Sean Connery is THE Bond but don't try to play Connery playing Bond, play Bond. Routh is the Lazenby of the Superman series. ....Wow I hope Cavill isn't the Dalton.

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by ToyAddict

They managed pretty well in the Justice League cartoon. If nothing else, do it by numbers or distance. For all Supe's powers, he still can't be everywhere at once. And/or he can only fight so many at once.

Yeah, he's not Wolverine afterall.

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Originally Posted by thechris

Don't forget, in the DCUA, Superman was greatly powered down. He found it hard to stop trains, got hurt by electricity and explosions and couldn't breathe in space. If he was like that, it'd be fine. I mean Thor and Hulk were practically impervious portrayed in the Avengers movie and we still ate it up. Like at no point were those aliens even a threat it seemed. He needs the others because even Superman can't do it alone. He can't take on multiple baddies at the same time and when they have Kryptonite, he's useless. Make Darkseid the main villain, the parademons as fodder to keep the heroes busy and all his other weirdo buddies like Granny Goodness and stuff would probably make for interesting action sequences.

I think that part was acknowledging the laws of physics more than powering him down.
But I agree, a superman who's not godlike is a lot more interesting.

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Originally Posted by tlasjr

So if Christopher Reeve isn't THE Superman why does everyone focus on him? I own all ten seasons of Smallville and would be thrilled if Welling got the role in Justice Leauge but as it stands right now, YES Christopher Reeve is THE Superman.

Christopher Reeves isn't the be-all end-all of Supermen.
In fact, he didn't really reach this absolute christ-like iconography he holds today until he had that accident.
I get tired of everything being compaired to him. Anytime anyone discusses a new actor, it's always how good a match he is to Reeves, not how good a match he is to the character.

Personally, I feel Welling and Cain are both much better portrayals. (and even they aren't immune to the reeves compairisons)

[ashketch]

I just want this movie to blow my freakin mind. I don't want them to screw this up

[tlasjr]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

Christopher Reeves isn't the be-all end-all of Supermen.
In fact, he didn't really reach this absolute christ-like iconography he holds today until he had that accident.
I get tired of everything being compaired to him. Anytime anyone discusses a new actor, it's always how good a match he is to Reeves, not how good a match he is to the character.

Personally, I feel Welling and Cain are both much better portrayals. (and even they aren't immune to the reeves compairisons)

I like Welling myself and liked cain at the time but Lois and Clark just doesn't hold up well today. The budget limitations and family friendly market really show.

He was considered the definitive Superman before the accident. I'm not saying he nailed it everyone else should walk away. I'm just saying when someone says Superman the first thought is Reeve.

It's like Batman. Ask 10 people who there favorite Batman is you'll get a variety of answers. Ask 10 people who Batman IS they'll say Adam West.
He's not the best performance. He just is Batman.

I would love to see someone come out and Nail kal-El so they became the new standard. Obviously Reeve was able to do it at a time the 50's show was still shown in re runs daily. More reccently I think anyone playing the Joker is goign to be compared to Ledger and not Nichelson or Caesar so there is hope.

[Crazy Jetty]

I agree with Joker. Ashame too, because Nichelson had no business being anwhere near that role. (But then, I also hate every single aspect of all the batman movies pre-nolen. Casting, directors, scripts, costuming, design... everything I feel is repulsive. No redeeming value to any of them what so ever. At all. So I'll admit to being biased)
Doubly ashame since it's Mark Hamill who *is* the definative Joker, yet always gets overlooked because he only voiced him.

As for Lois & Clark, I think it held up pretty well myself. Sure, the budget was limited, but The Hub has just started showing it again as of last weekend, (Giving me the first chance to see it since it was cancelled), and it surprised me that it wasn't nearly as cheesey as I'd thought it'd be. Especially since it was the last time anyone tried to do a full on true Superman, until Superman Returns. (I also forgot how cute Teri Hatcher was as Lois)

[tlasjr]

Grab a free trial of netflix the whole series is on there.

[KingLouie731]

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Originally Posted by Crazy Jetty

I agree with Joker. Ashame too, because Nichelson had no business being anwhere near that role. (But then, I also hate every single aspect of all the batman movies pre-nolen. Casting, directors, scripts, costuming, design... everything I feel is repulsive. No redeeming value to any of them what so ever. At all. So I'll admit to being biased)
Doubly ashame since it's Mark Hamill who *is* the definative Joker, yet always gets overlooked because he only voiced him.

As for Lois & Clark, I think it held up pretty well myself. Sure, the budget was limited, but The Hub has just started showing it again as of last weekend, (Giving me the first chance to see it since it was cancelled), and it surprised me that it wasn't nearly as cheesey as I'd thought it'd be. Especially since it was the last time anyone tried to do a full on true Superman, until Superman Returns. (I also forgot how cute Teri Hatcher was as Lois)

amen sir amen

[ToyAddict]

Just my opinion. . .if they cast Welling as Superman, there'd be too much association with Smallville. He's sure got the Superman looks, and did a pretty good job in the show.

Maybe the plot of "Man of Steel" will give something they can latch onto to develop the whole JLA.

Or if they do a GL sequel, they could HEAVILY adapt the Sinestro Corps War/Blackest Night.

Or to change a little what I was saying before. . .maybe all of Apokolips (Darkseid, Kalibak, Granny, Mantis, etc.) comes to Earth to capture Superman, and they take him back home to torture him for awhile. Everyone sees the battle, it's all over the news (Perry, Lois) and the criminals start acting up. More heroes start appearing to hold back chaos. Batman figures out what's happened and a way to replicate a boom tube. He seeks out help to go invade Apokolips to rescue Supes. They succeed, and Supes goes ballistic on Darkseid to end it.

[tlasjr]

I like the Nolan movies but prefer the Burtons. The more I hear Bale speak with the overdone gravel voice the less like him as Batman. I do think he's the best Bruce Wayne.

As far as Superman I dont know they need to nerf him. Th Avengers worked with Thor, a god who towards the end of the movie was killing dozens of enemies at a time by himself and the Hulk who a lot of people on this board feel is stronger than supes.
Thats going to come down to the writing and directing.

[hrothgars]

I was very hesitant at first since I liked Mark Hamill's Joker so much, but I think John DiMaggio's Joker is also pretty rad. i dare to say he might even be better. Since Hamill seems intent on phasing himself out of the role, I really hope J.D. becomes his go-to replacement.

"I'll gonna need some guys. Not these guys, because... well, they're kind of dead."

"Gotta give the boy points... He came all the way back from the dead to make this shindig happen. So who's got a camera? Ooh! Ooh! Get one of me and the kid first. Then you and me, then the three of us. And then one with the crowbar."

[Crazy Jetty]

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Originally Posted by ToyAddict

Just my opinion. . .if they cast Welling as Superman, there'd be too much association with Smallville. He's sure got the Superman looks, and did a pretty good job in the show.

Maybe the plot of "Man of Steel" will give something they can latch onto to develop the whole JLA.

Or if they do a GL sequel, they could HEAVILY adapt the Sinestro Corps War/Blackest Night.

Or to change a little what I was saying before. . .maybe all of Apokolips (Darkseid, Kalibak, Granny, Mantis, etc.) comes to Earth to capture Superman, and they take him back home to torture him for awhile. Everyone sees the battle, it's all over the news (Perry, Lois) and the criminals start acting up. More heroes start appearing to hold back chaos. Batman figures out what's happened and a way to replicate a boom tube. He seeks out help to go invade Apokolips to rescue Supes. They succeed, and Supes goes ballistic on Darkseid to end it.

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Originally Posted by tlasjr

I like the Nolan movies but prefer the Burtons. The more I hear Bale speak with the overdone gravel voice the less like him as Batman. I do think he's the best Bruce Wayne.

As far as Superman I dont know they need to nerf him. Th Avengers worked with Thor, a god who towards the end of the movie was killing dozens of enemies at a time by himself and the Hulk who a lot of people on this board feel is stronger than supes.
Thats going to come down to the writing and directing.

Personally, I feel if they use Darkseid as the main villain, they won't need to powerdown Supes. Darkseid is every bit as powerful as Superman, and if the two go toe to toe, Superman is effectively removed from the larger battle.
Add to that Sinestro if they carry him over from GL, he's perfectly capable of taking on Superman, too. (Although I don't think Sinestro would ever work with, or for Darkseid.)

The right mix of supervillain, and "underlings" can effectively accomplish almost anything.

[tlasjr]

I stand corrected loisd and Clark isn't on Netflix anymore. I went to watch when I got home from work anymore....when's it on the hub?