[Raine24]

5788, down from a high (that I saw) of 6120, so a hair less than a 5.5% drop off. I thought it'd be a lot worse!

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Originally Posted by AcademyofDrX

I see this sentiment a lot, and maybe I'm just not looking widely enough, but can someone please point me to a 1/12 scale car with an interior that fits Marvel Legends figures for less than three hundred bucks?

In addition to the above mentioned, my local Ross store has a continuous selection of 1/12 sports cars with detailed interiors for $20-30. They're not intended for figures so often need some trimming under the dash to accommodate feet, but they can fit the bill.

There are also a handful of Bratz cars (the convertibles) that are shockingly close in scale to 6" figures! Most fashion doll vehicles are super undersized for a multitude of reasons and lean closer to 8th or 9th scale instead of 1/6, great for Mego, but the wonky proportions of Bratz dolls pushes their vehicles somewhere around 9th-10th, sitting pretty with NECA and McFarlane and working with Legends in a pinch, if you can get styles that mesh.

Looking this stuff up on Amazon can be a nightmare since they don't allow minus modifiers or quotes to narrow down your searches to the right scales, but I have seen good stuff on Amazon as well... which I now can't find, because said crap search engine.

I know people talk about 1/12 car kits being super pricey, and they totally are, no doubt, but they're also really small production runs with high part counts and usually have a bunch of fiddly, expensive detail pieces like photo etched brass that bump up the cost even more. Those really are specialty products, for a tiny niche amongst an already niche demo, and the prices reflect that, so I don't think that's fair. I honestly think that there's a good market for affordable, moderately toyetic 6" figure vehicles, if someone can just crack the code for getting people hyped.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Mattel WWE Wrekkin' Slam-Mobile, $30:




Mattel WWE Wrekkin' Slambulance, $55:

And are these 6inch scale and can be bought in a regular store?

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

And are these 6inch scale and can be bought in a regular store?

WWE is a little larger than most 6 inch figures, kind of a 6.5 inch.

Both of those vehicles were in stores, but they are also quite a few years old so probably easiest to find on Amazon.

[Raine24]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

And are these 6inch scale and can be bought in a regular store?

Slightly bigger than 6" (wrestlers are larger than life!) but not quite 7". Most of this stuff has been in stores, but Amazon is your best bet for most. There's also the Rampage Rig for $50:



And the Slamcycle for $17 at Walmart



Throw on a bit of paint and you should be golden.

It'd be nice if they started leaning more into the backstage playsets that I think Jakks Pacific was doing when they had the license. We need more 6" environments that aren't cardboard, dammit!

[AcademyofDrX]

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Originally Posted by Zigerlion

No problem dude. "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Here's your free fish.
This one can fit 6 inch scale, bunch of moving guns and turrets, smoke effect, 16lbs in weight, bluetooth driving with your phone.
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/p...ehicle/mtfkm40

This one can fit 7 inch McFarlane figures. Typical Hotwheels driving style.
https://creations.mattel.com/product...atmobile-hcd19

Haha I guess I deserved that, I've been looking for weeks and should've searched individual forums instead of relying on Google to turn up the right ones.

[Zigerlion]

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Originally Posted by AcademyofDrX

Haha I guess I deserved that, I've been looking for weeks and should've searched individual forums instead of relying on Google to turn up the right ones.

I forgot to mention the price of the first one. Most stores sold it for $250 a few years ago. Amazon is over priced right now but you can still find it on ebay for about that price. Not sure if Entertainment Earth sold it for $160 at one point. Must have been a steal.

[ShabbyBlue]

As of this moment it has lost 400 backers since the Early Bird deadline and is still dropping. Ouch!

[Dr Kain]

Dan has said there will be no more reveals until it reaches its goal. That's not a good sign. I'm honestly surprised this has not reached its 9,000 yet though.

[Jeddostotle7]

Hmmm, with this backwards momentum it's lookin like there's some stronger chance it might not even reach its goal now. Still have to wait til really near the end since that's when most of these projects get almost-to-more-than half of the required backer amount.

[HoovenIV]

Not sure what else to add to all of this as I've just been watching it all unfold. Hasbro just really mishandled this whole thing. And it starts from that price. I know value is relative, but that starting price is just too much for the initial offering.

And I do say initial, because maybe I'm just used to Kickstarter and the such. Maybe Hasblabs are different and I wasn't paying attention. But I always thought those extra tiers and stretch goals were bonuses to the consumer. After hitting what is actually needed to go to production and going above and beyond it. As a "thank you" and also a way of course to get more people on board. The stretches and tiers aren't accounted for in the initial starting price. Which is exactly what Hasbro seemed to do with these tiers. They seemed to incorporate those tiers into the starting price, because I'm not sure how you get to that price otherwise. You have consumers also been talking about it that way as well. "If we hit all the tiers, that's 100-150 bucks of that price right there!"

It all just seems wrong. I feel bad for the people that wanted this. Especially those that missed out on the early bird. Now if this thing gets funded and they did decide to stick with it, now risking not hitting other tiers, they'll have overpaid for a vehicle that has a regular car mode, and not the regular figure to go with it.

[Dr Kain]

So what exactly is the point of having a regular version of the car if there is no regular version of Robbie to go with it?

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

So what exactly is the point of having a regular version of the car if there is no regular version of Robbie to go with it?

Same reason you can take the flames off Blaze's bike and have it be a regular version I suppose.

[Designincase]

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Originally Posted by HoovenIV

But I always thought those extra tiers and stretch goals were bonuses to the consumer.


It all just seems wrong. I feel bad for the people that wanted this. Especially those that missed out on the early bird. Now if this thing gets funded and they did decide to stick with it, now risking not hitting other tiers, they'll have overpaid for a vehicle that has a regular car mode, and not the regular figure to go with it.

Someone always has to pay. Kickstarters can get into serious trouble when they start promising tiers that eat up the profits they made. Including just adding more time to produce.

You always factor in the cost of producing tiers.

When they go past the initial amount needed, they enter another level of production where costs go down. If the same mold could have produce 30,000 units. If you sell 10,000 units that's one cost. Sell 20,000 then your costs have went down per unit.

Early Bird, they have to take a hit on profits but they make up for it is now knowing definitively production is a go. They can start making moves 40 or so days earlier than before.

Basically a long way of saying, nothing is free. You are still paying for the tiers, just you don't notice.

Haslabs, you should assume the base offering is all your getting. Or whatever Tier has been unlocked.

Now if the regular car mode is useless without Robbie(cause can't use any other figure I guess, it's a regular car. Put Wolverine or Bucky in it.) then back out now. Otherwise, what was promised was the base offering. Mephisto isn't promised until that tier is unlocked. You got 36 more days to decide(assuming there is even a choice).

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Same reason you can take the flames off Blaze's bike and have it be a regular version I suppose.

Well the bike's wheels will still be a translucent orange (I'm not even sure all of the flames are removable) so it can't be made truly normal.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Same reason you can take the flames off Blaze's bike and have it be a regular version I suppose.

But the bike can't be used as a regular version though because there's still the orange flames on it that are part of the mold and the burning tires.

[Raine24]

5,631, down 489 backers/8%. I wonder if they'll rethink their hidden tier approach when the workday starts....

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Raine24

5,631, down 489 backers/8%. I wonder if they'll rethink their hidden tier approach when the workday starts....

Nope. Dan Yun pretty much said it is what it is. There will be no more tier reveals and if it doesn't get funded, it doesn't get funded.

[UpDog]

Man this whole thing is just a giant bummer.

Ghost Rider is my favorite character in all Marvel, in all comics. Robbie isn't my favorite Ghost Rider, but I do really like him, and think he's really come into his own in the most recent Avengers run, I very much want a Legend of him.

We don't really get many Ghost Rider Legends or even much Ghost Rider related. There's the 2015 Rhino Wave, the 2018 Rider, and I guess depending on how you count it Cosmic in 2020. All of which sell well and retain a pretty high demand in the after market. At this point we've gotten the same number of Dazzlers. I know Ghost Rider isn't necessarily an A-lister, but GR and really the whole magic/occult area of Marvel sort of seems like an after thought despite having what I would consider a very strong following for a character who hasn't really appeared in the MCU.

I was, maybe foolishly, hoping for something cool for the 50th anniversary. Nothing crazy, maybe a boxset or at the very least a new figure. Best we got was a repaint without a motorcycle on a 10 year old body. Which admittedly feels better knowing that they were planning this, but if that's all we get that really sucks.

I'm excited for the Haslab. Is it worth $350? I'm not really sure, to me it is, and I think for most people here, they'd pay more than what they'd usually be comfortable for a definitive edition of their favorite character. I'd happily sit out the next 20 legends or whatever is equivalent, because it was worth more to me than those. If all the tiers got unlocked, we'd be looking at a pretty cool car, and a makeshift Ghost Rider mini wave. Definitely worth the price for me, and even without the tiers, it's worth it for me, I don't buy many legends anymore anyway. I don't expect anyone else to make the same calculus that I did, but that was my reasoning.

The way everyone has acted around this thing is just depressing. Price aside, Hasbro doesn't seem terribly interested in making the argument for this thing or that it's worth the price to anyone who isn't like me. I think hyper detailed large vehicle plus more or less a boxset of wanted characters that haven't been able to be made is a pretty enticing pitch, it worked well for Galactus, I don't know why they aren't doing it here and pulling out all the stops.

At the same time watching significant parts of the community all turn into forensic accountants overnight and take active measures to take this thing down, berate everyone involved and moreso revel in it failing is disheartening and frustrating. I ultimately couldn't justify Galactus financially, but I didn't want it to fail, if it was worth it to those collectors, I wanted them to have it, I want everyone to have every character they love for their shelf. I understand not thinking it's worth it, or being frustrated with the way it's been handled, but the outright hostility towards this thing blows my mind.

This whole thing seems to have brought out the worst in everybody.

[AcademyofDrX]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

So what exactly is the point of having a regular version of the car if there is no regular version of Robbie to go with it?

A relatively generic muscle car can fit into a lot of dioramas as a civilian or criminal vehicle, though the massive exterior engine limits it a bit. I wanted this to go with my NECA street scene diorama to make it feel more lived-in, as a complement to 1/12 accessories and bikes. How many comics, cartoons, and live-action movies have featured a hero grabbing the roof while criminals shoot out the windows, for example? There are a handful of other options out there, but this would be better than most.

Except of course for the price. I understand why they added LEDs and effects parts for a premium product, but the cost limits its applicability for non-GR use cases. There'd be a lot more benefit for it as a regular car if all those other features weren't so costly.

[T0ySick]

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Originally Posted by UpDog

Man this whole thing is just a giant bummer.

Ghost Rider is my favorite character in all Marvel, in all comics. Robbie isn't my favorite Ghost Rider, but I do really like him, and think he's really come into his own in the most recent Avengers run, I very much want a Legend of him.

We don't really get many Ghost Rider Legends or even much Ghost Rider related. There's the 2015 Rhino Wave, the 2018 Rider, and I guess depending on how you count it Cosmic in 2020. All of which sell well and retain a pretty high demand in the after market. At this point we've gotten the same number of Dazzlers. I know Ghost Rider isn't necessarily an A-lister, but GR and really the whole magic/occult area of Marvel sort of seems like an after thought despite having what I would consider a very strong following for a character who hasn't really appeared in the MCU.

I was, maybe foolishly, hoping for something cool for the 50th anniversary. Nothing crazy, maybe a boxset or at the very least a new figure. Best we got was a repaint without a motorcycle on a 10 year old body. Which admittedly feels better knowing that they were planning this, but if that's all we get that really sucks.

I'm excited for the Haslab. Is it worth $350? I'm not really sure, to me it is, and I think for most people here, they'd pay more than what they'd usually be comfortable for a definitive edition of their favorite character. I'd happily sit out the next 20 legends or whatever is equivalent, because it was worth more to me than those. If all the tiers got unlocked, we'd be looking at a pretty cool car, and a makeshift Ghost Rider mini wave. Definitely worth the price for me, and even without the tiers, it's worth it for me, I don't buy many legends anymore anyway. I don't expect anyone else to make the same calculus that I did, but that was my reasoning.

The way everyone has acted around this thing is just depressing. Price aside, Hasbro doesn't seem terribly interested in making the argument for this thing or that it's worth the price to anyone who isn't like me. I think hyper detailed large vehicle plus more or less a boxset of wanted characters that haven't been able to be made is a pretty enticing pitch, it worked well for Galactus, I don't know why they aren't doing it here and pulling out all the stops.

At the same time watching significant parts of the community all turn into forensic accountants overnight and take active measures to take this thing down, berate everyone involved and moreso revel in it failing is disheartening and frustrating. I ultimately couldn't justify Galactus financially, but I didn't want it to fail, if it was worth it to those collectors, I wanted them to have it, I want everyone to have every character they love for their shelf. I understand not thinking it's worth it, or being frustrated with the way it's been handled, but the outright hostility towards this thing blows my mind.

This whole thing seems to have brought out the worst in everybody.

Voicing an opinion on a product good or negative does not mean it makes the person good or bad. How you take what you read or hear is something different. Your last two paragraphs place your sentiment as negative towards those who tried to wrap their heads around this monster of a price gauge to many folks. But if you think its worth the cost. Then back it. If you don't then keep your money. Money talks and from what I and alot of other people see with this Haslab, it's not something they are willing back.

YES personal attacks are not productive! Like the ones you noted and where apart of in your last two paragraphs.

Someone is too blame for this Haslab though. And we have not met, seen, nor will ever hear from that person or persons.

Corporate greed is usually not put forward by the creators. They are employed by those who only care about the returns. I'm sure when people make comments about hasbro they aren't directly attacking the frontline people. Mostly.

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by T0ySick

Voicing an opinion on a product good or negative does not mean it makes the person good or bad. How you take what you read or hear is something different. Your last two paragraphs place your sentiment as negative towards those who tried to wrap their heads around this monster of a price gauge to many folks. But if you think its worth the cost. Then back it. If you don't then keep your money. Money talks and from what I and alot of other people see with this Haslab, it's not something they are willing back.

YES personal attacks are not productive! Like the ones you noted and where apart of in your last two paragraphs.

Someone is too blame for this Haslab though. And we have not met, seen, nor will ever hear from that person or persons.

Corporate greed is usually not put forward by the creators. They are employed by those who only care about the returns. I'm sure when people make comments about hasbro they aren't directly attacking the frontline people. Mostly.

You're being disingenuous if you don't think the discourse around this particular item hasn't been markedly more vitriolic than any other item in really any other toy fandom. The gleeful Schadenfreude alone that has been on display as this project loses backers is a perfect example of that.

Also point to a single personal attack I made. Pointing out hostility is not a personal attack.

[Harbinger]

If/when this fails hasbro will surely blame the consumer, not their ludicrous price.

[T0ySick]

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Originally Posted by UpDog

You're being disingenuous if you don't think the discourse around this particular item hasn't been markedly more vitriolic than any other item in really any other toy fandom. The gleeful Schadenfreude alone that has been on display as this project loses backers is a perfect example of that.

Also point to a single personal attack I made. Pointing out hostility is not a personal attack.

Yes you are right! Personal attacks was the wrong choice of words. My take from it is you are mocking the crowd with pitch forks. While at the same time you are also in a crowd of equal mass just as annoyed but in another way.

Nothing disingenuous about saying comments about this product being negative is neither good or a bad thing. As far any other Haslab probably the worst reactions I've seen. I feel it was warranted..but that's me. As far as all of toy Fandom. I don't like that many toys so that I don't care about nor do I care to research the matter.

[T0ySick]

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Originally Posted by harbinger

if/when this fails hasbro will surely blame the consumer, not their ludicrous price.

100%

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by T0ySick

Yes you are right! Personal attacks was the wrong choice of words. My take from it is you are mocking the crowd with pitch forks. While at the same time you are also in a crowd of equal mass just as annoyed but in another way.

Nothing disingenuous about saying comments about this product being negative is neither good or a bad thing. As far any other Haslab probably the worst reactions I've seen. I feel it was warranted..but that's me. As far as all of toy Fandom. I don't like that many toys so that I don't care about nor do I care to research the matter.

I guess my issue is the very pitchforks you're acknowledge existing on either side to begin with. If I'm mocking something it's the escalation to the pitchfork over anything involving what are, at the end of the day, children's toys, not the side of the argument. I understand that negative comments aren't inherently good or bad, I understand criticism is necessary, but when you (proverbial, not you you) start throwing the word "schill" around at people who want this or are excited I think it's escalated. When people are giddily reporting the loss of backers, I think it's escalated And there's criticisms to be made of this whole thing towards those in the "back this" side too. But that sort of makes the point doesn't it? That there's all of a sudden "sides" in this, that toy collecting has also found a way to be an "us vs them" thing like every other thing. It all feels bad. And uniquely bad, as there doesn't seem to be anything equivalent. That was my point.