[T0ySick]

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Originally Posted by UpDog

I guess my issue is the very pitchforks you're acknowledge existing on either side to begin with. If I'm mocking something it's the escalation to the pitchfork over anything involving what are, at the end of the day, children's toys, not the side the argument. I understand that negative comments aren't inherently good or bad, I understand criticism is necessary, but when you (proverbial, not you you) start throwing the word "schill" around at people who want this or are excited I think it's escalated. When people are giddily reporting the loss of backers, I think it's escalated And there's criticisms to be made of this whole thing towards those in the "back this" side too. But that sort of makes the point doesn't it? That there's all of a sudden "sides" in this, that toy collecting has also found a way to be an "us vs them" thing like every other thing. It all feels bad. And uniquely bad, as there doesn't seem to be anything equivalent. That was my point.

Toy collecting has always been about the us vs them. That's marketing. Its in Pop culture DNA. Choose a side and support it. And it could either be passive or agressive. Agressive tends to be more productive in the long run. Cant make an omlete if you don't break some eggs. And any other like analogy.

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by T0ySick

Toy collecting has always been about the us vs them.

[T0ySick]

[GizmoTron]

I think the rhetoric is bad, but so far not Rancor bad where the fan base out right hated the thing. Here, other than the small minority that always thinks they're gonna just stick it to Hasbro, I think it's just price shell-shock.

Bottomline is that this set is amazing, but at $350 it's just too damn expensive.

[AceSimulacrum]

For me my commentary is based on what the company puts out. I do take an interest in seeing something thats done on the business side. I dont often comment on Hasbro related products (mostly the overseas stuff) because at the end of the day this company is huge and will make about $1B revenue annually with all sorts of products and about 15% profit so some misses aren't ever that big and won't matter.

Feel that the recent things that failed for Hasbro has frustrated fans and makes the consumer/fans feel that such a big company should do better in anticipating and understanding the desires of their overall customer base.

Ultimately this was made specifically for the fans of the new (10 years old) version of Ghost Rider. At the end of the day their numbers and estimates were off. Could they have made adjustments to the offered set and features? Possibly. I just feel bad for those collectors who really want this as its not looking too good, especially with the early-bird loss.

For the most part most posts here are, at their core, constructive criticism for the company.

[AcademyofDrX]

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Originally Posted by AceSimulacrum

For the most part most posts here are, at their core, constructive criticism for the company.

We must me on different forums, or maybe different universes

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

So what exactly is the point of having a regular version of the car if there is no regular version of Robbie to go with it?

Making Reyes (who is an essential figure considering the car has a "street mode") a back-this-shit-in-a-week-or-else "Early Bird" figure was suuuuuuuper shitty. "Early Bird" figures need to be something that's cool to have but non-ESSENTIAL. Like the HISS Tactician.

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

If/when this fails hasbro will surely blame the consumer, not their ludicrous price.

Yep. I PO'd the Mojo World 3fer because I've wanted a really good Longshot figure forever. However, the recent finding of a single pack Mojo for 40 bucks has me wanting to cancel it. $130 for that pack is incredibly expensive for what what's offered. Between the INSANE price gouging and "plastic free" packaging featuring renders that may or may not be accurate to enclosed figure, Hasbro seems to want Legends to die a slow death.

I saw Ironheart this morning at Target for $35 yet the recent Siryn/Vulcan wave is on clearance for $7.48 per figure. And the pegs are clogged with the entire wave.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by T0ySick

Toy collecting has always been about the us vs them. That's marketing. Its in Pop culture DNA. Choose a side and support it. And it could either be passive or agressive. Agressive tends to be more productive in the long run. Cant make an omlete if you don't break some eggs. And any other like analogy.

Jesus, you're worse than Tomax AND Nimrod...

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Here, other than the small minority that always thinks they're gonna just stick it to Hasbro, I think it's just price shell-shock.

See that's the thing I don't really understand. If this fails I feel like they're just gonna do it less or not at all. If people stop buying Legends they're just going to stop making them, it wouldn't be the first time they've paused the line or a line that was popular with collectors (GI Joe). I know Legends have a popular collector base, but I don't get the feeling that it's popular (or even viable) as kids toys anymore outside of maybe the ultra popular character, it seems kids for the most part like those 12in shampoo bottle figures. I don't really understand why people think they're going to boycott these things back to $12 and a comic, it seems to me that Hasbro would just shutter it.

And that's not me saying "consume what they give you and be happy about it" but I don't foresee low sales causing a price rollback for as far as I know would be the first time in the hobby. You can't really stick it to a multi billion dollar company by making what you want not profitable, it's not really your ball to take and go home.

[Dolemite]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Dan has said there will be no more reveals until it reaches its goal. That's not a good sign.

That's stupid of him. Some good reveals may raise interest in the project.

But then again, this thing is having trouble just reaching the initial 9.000 backers, maybe Dan thinks people will be pissed the fuck off if the stretch goals are revealed but don't end up being met.

[Designincase]

Practically if we don't even see a stretch goal until 12,000 then saying there is one are 14,000 and 16,000 isn't really going to light a fire.

Early Birds I think clearly work when the demand is hot and it feeds back itself with little more fuel.

Robbie should have just been a base offering or a Tier 1 at 9000/10,000.
Unlike Galactus, I think they've lost any good will. Which to be fair to Galactus, it already hit 8000 in the first week, it was getting to 14K just to fund it that was ridicules.

[T0ySick]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

Jesus, you're worse than Tomax AND Nimrod...

Cool Story!

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

That's stupid of him. Some good reveals may raise interest in the project.

But then again, this thing is having trouble just reaching the initial 9.000 backers, maybe Dan thinks people will be pissed the fuck off if the stretch goals are revealed but don't end up being met.

I think they would want to avoid a mass back out if a stretch goal isn't met. You don't wanna get to say 11K and then when it becomes obvious it won't get to 14 or wherever the next stretch goal, you lose 2000+ backers who were only in for the stretch goals and the whole thing falls apart, I think they're already in danger of that with Mephisto. Sort of a repeat of what happened with the early bird. I know they showed all the goals for the Skystriker, but I'm not sure how make or break the figures in that were vs people being perfectly happy with the base offering, with this it seems at least a decent amount of people are really only interested in it if it meets stretch.

But it's worth pointing out that there are no "rules" so to speak for how they do this thing, that's one of the benefits of building your own platform like Haslab as opposed to Kickstarter, you make your own rules, you can be more reactive. There's nothing stopping them from coming out today and saying "Robbie is back in at 9k" or "Mephisto is in at 9k", I honestly think this thing could hit 12k if you put Mephisto in at base anyway. I suppose it brings up a question of precedent, but again, your own platform, and I think the only precedent you set is showing the fans "we're passionate about making these Haslabs and will do everything we can to give the fans what they want"

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

That's stupid of him. Some good reveals may raise interest in the project.

But then again, this thing is having trouble just reaching the initial 9.000 backers, maybe Dan thinks people will be pissed the fuck off if the stretch goals are revealed but don't end up being met.

Dan always seems like he WANTS to do cool shit. He may want to reveal the entire campaign at this point. Then the suits are like,"Nah man. We need to start making GI Joe Classified styled decisions with this shit."

Dan's like,"FML"

[GizmoTron]

Pretty sure Dan's living the dream getting to design and make Marvel toys for a living, so I doubt he's that frustrated.

Anyway if it gets closer and they don't have the orders, they'll pull a Rancor keeper and add something to sweeten the pot.

[Boogieman4hire]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Pretty sure Dan's living the dream getting to design and make Marvel toys for a living, so I doubt he's that frustrated.

Anyway if it gets closer and they don't have the orders, they'll pull a Rancor keeper and add something to sweeten the pot.

He's in the marketing team.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Boogieman4hire

He's in the marketing team.

Still. He gets to be a part of making a brand he actually seems to care about and likes. It's a dream job.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Pretty sure Dan's living the dream getting to design and make Marvel toys for a living, so I doubt he's that frustrated.

I guarantee he's frustrated.
1) He's NOT a designer. He is in Brand Development and Marketing. This is his baby.
2) He's had the job for a while now. Simply, creating toys is status quo and no longer good enough.

A designer/branding/marketing guy at his level puts EVERYTHING into a project of this caliber. If it isn't a roaring success at the jump it SUCKS. Especially after 2 previous incredibly successful ML HasLab Campaigns and seeing the HISS obliterate expectations.

[AcademyofDrX]

Alternate Robbie head (and hood) confirmed:
https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/stat...sSQCFkWkg&s=19

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by AcademyofDrX

Alternate Robbie head (and hood) confirmed:
https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/stat...sSQCFkWkg&s=19

They look weak and reactionary right now. It was super bitch move to make Reyes a fund-this-fast-or-else “threat”. THEN when it’s clear that ain’t gonna happen they have Dan post,”No more reveals until it funds”. Another take-my-toys-leave threat. But the VERY NEXT DAY they reveal the figure will come with the Reyes head. ???? Hell, I even mentioned when this thing kicked off that they would figure out some way to get figure included if the Early Bird goal wasn't reached. While not the entire figure it still allows for a Reyes "figure" to go with the car's "Street Mode". For $350 they should have made the entire figure part of the initial offer.

[Designincase]

They look weak and reactionary is they do nothing. They look weak and reactionary if they do anything.

Haslabs are always reactionary. Numerous times they've reacted. It's nothing new.

When you people people harassing and threatening Hasbro employees, like a child you have to just be clear. Don't ask the question if you don't like the answer scenario.

This is separate from Hasbro do an early bird and charging $350. The lack of maturity from one group results in less than cheery responses.

"No more reveals until it funds" is stating a policy they have done numerous times. It's straight to to point and doesn't imply anything then what it explicitly states.

That's some people getting mad that they don't award points for simply hitting the net. The ball has to go in.



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Now my opinion.
It's an olive branch but yeah that should have been the base offering from the start. It still doesn't solve the main problem that at $350, no one can honestly go "This is a great deal". Nor that it's even a good deal. Not like with HISS.

If this was $250, this would have been backed easily. $300......flexible but no one would be comparing it to Sentinel or Galactus.

[UpDog]

Honestly if I didn't have the attachment to the character I do, I'd be out.

Like I said before, it's their platform, there are no rules, they easily could've come back today and said "Listen we heard the fans, we understand the concerns, as a show of goodwill, Robbie is being included automatically, we should've done that from the beginning, our bad." It costs them nothing, it's already factored in to the price. Sure, there will be the naysayers who go "oh look they're being weak" or whatever but I think most people would've been appreciative. I guess this addresses the question of "what good is the powered down version without civilian Robbie?" but the main concern has always been value and this has got to be the worst way to assure people "see this is worth it". Seems like they just cut the baby in half.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why they didn't include a comic Blade in this set. I know we'll probably get a new Blade around movie time, but just do an exclusive look from the recent Avengers run. He's heavily involved with the Hellcharger in a specific storyline in the comics, unofficial connection he drove one in the movie. Gives it cross appeal and more value.

[T0ySick]

"Didn't back the Haslab in time to unlock the earlybird and all I got was some head."

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by T0ySick

"Didn't back the Haslab in time to unlock the earlybird and all I got was some head."

Thread winner.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

They look weak and reactionary is they do nothing. They look weak and reactionary if they do anything.

Haslabs are always reactionary. Numerous times they've reacted. It's nothing new.

When you people people harassing and threatening Hasbro employees, like a child you have to just be clear. Don't ask the question if you don't like the answer scenario.

This is separate from Hasbro do an early bird and charging $350. The lack of maturity from one group results in less than cheery responses.

"No more reveals until it funds" is stating a policy they have done numerous times. It's straight to to point and doesn't imply anything then what it explicitly states.

That's some people getting mad that they don't award points for simply hitting the net. The ball has to go in.



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Now my opinion.
It's an olive branch but yeah that should have been the base offering from the start. It still doesn't solve the main problem that at $350, no one can honestly go "This is a great deal". Nor that it's even a good deal. Not like with HISS.

If this was $250, this would have been backed easily. $300......flexible but no one would be comparing it to Sentinel or Galactus.

It's a good point that as a whole HasLabs ARE "reactionary". However, there are reactions that seem to actually have a plan attached to them. But the messaging when the Campaign failed to hit the extremely ambitious Early Bird goal came across as petulant. Sure "No reveals until it funds" has been a policy. But read a freakin room, Hasbro. Don't be terse when excitement is clearly down. That's a basic advertising principle.

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Originally Posted by UpDog

Like I said before, it's their platform, there are no rules, they easily could've come back today and said "Listen we heard the fans, we understand the concerns, as a show of goodwill, Robbie is being included automatically, we should've done that from the beginning, our bad." It costs them nothing, it's already factored in to the price.

Sure, there will be the naysayers who go "oh look they're being weak" or whatever but I think most people would've been appreciative. I guess this addresses the question of "what good is the powered down version without civilian Robbie?" but the main concern has always been value and this has got to be the worst way to assure people "see this is worth it". Seems like they just cut the baby in half.

Exactly. It's not weak to admit an error. As you mentioned simply admitting they understood "...fans were having misgivings so they wanted to do a little something extra..." actually shows a bit of leadership. If they're cool and give fans more the crazy price is easier to reconcile.

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Originally Posted by UpDog

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why they didn't include a comic Blade in this set. I know we'll probably get a new Blade around movie time, but just do an exclusive look from the recent Avengers run. He's heavily involved with the Hellcharger in a specific storyline in the comics, unofficial connection he drove one in the movie. Gives it cross appeal and more value.

That is a very very good idea. He's been a bit of a mentor to Reyes. So maybe that's in the tier cards. If not it should be.