[mangkanorxxv]

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Originally Posted by MeLikeJinx

Hugh Jackman and Bautista are both over 50 and still playing Wolverine and Drax... Blade Guy should be fine. Of course Hugh Jackman has been playing Wolverine for 20+ years now and actually peaked as Wolverine in Days of Future Past IMO... not sure how old he was during that film. Screen presence is probably the most important thing when playing a superhero though.

Jackman will probably go back to a diet of trenbaloney sandwiches for any shirtless scenes.

[AceSimulacrum]

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Originally Posted by AcademyofDrX

We must me on different forums, or maybe different universes

Nope, if you read into most (not all) of the posts, there have been mentioned price is bad, lowering the price, even suggested ways to rationalize lower price, what added value and figures should have been added, etc. The company should have done this and not that.

Haslab and even Kickstarters have been for the most part fluid and flexible. They can and will make alterations. A great example was what happened with the HasLab Unicron. So not surprised what they did. ONly way to salvage this is to reveal the teir thresholds are less but I know that would mean Hasbro would be cutting into their profits on the overall project.

Seeing the thread became a movie commentary: I agree with what has been said especially with Disney dictating what it is for mainstream action films. In terms of recent characters last 15 years or so, actors don't need to spend months training in complex and demanding fight coreo anymore. I had wished to see in live action master-level fighting from the likes of Wolverine, Captain America, Moon Knight, and other characters known for their awesome fighting skills in the comics. But we never really got it. We now get heavy edit, heavy CG, shaky cam, very tight closeups with multiple cuts, fight sequences. Sign of the times.

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

As for Blade, Mahershala is going to revitalize the franchise and there will be recognition and fanfare aplenty. No need for him to be offered here as the character can support a general release.

I think the Reyes Ghost Rider could support a general release individually. Including Blade would just sweeten the pot adding value and options. They could do a specific modern comic look (a small piece man thing has sort of attached itself to him as a sidekick) and just say "hey obviously we're going to release a Blade again, just not this version" and be done with it. I don't think anyone thinks they'll never release another Silver Surfer because of the Galactus Haslab.

I think it would have been a strong value add, especially if it was included in the base, but I get not wanting to trade the potential "unreleasable otherwise" figures for a character that is definitely able to survive at retail.

As far as Mahershala goes, this seems like a passion project for him, from what I understand he basically used the momentum from his Oscar win to push this movie specifically, he isn't the factor in the movie I'm worried about. Cruise seems to be doing fine with Mission Impossible, Daniel Craig in Bond, Arnold was still putting out good stuff into his late 40s, I think Mahershala will be able to hang. My bigger worry was that they attached a director who hasn't done really anything, let alone an action movie, and that Marvel is gonna turn it into a CGI fest. Get Gareth Evans from The Raid on this, then we could really be cooking with gas.

That all said, of all the ways the Blade movie could suck, ending up like a lazy late era Seagal movie is probably the best way it could suck.

[Dolemite]

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Originally Posted by mangkanorxxv

Jackman will probably go back to a diet of trenbaloney sandwiches for any shirtless scenes.

lol

[Cyclopswc]

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Originally Posted by AceSimulacrum

I had wished to see in live action master-level fighting from the likes of Wolverine, Captain America, Moon Knight, and other characters known for their awesome fighting skills in the comics. But we never really got it. We now get heavy edit, heavy CG, shaky cam, very tight closeups with multiple cuts, fight sequences. Sign of the times.

As Jackie Chan talked about in one of his commentaries, Hollywood simply have no stomach to do take after take until a fight scene is perfect. There are also too many lawsuits and safety measures to ensure the actors do not get hurt (which is a good thing) to allow for fighting "for real".



Yup, those days are gone.

[MoJoe81]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Age means nothing when it comes to movie magic. Roger Moore was 45 when he took on the role of James Bond even though Bond is supposed to be in his early 30s. Audiences proclaim Tobey Maquire to be the best Spider-Man despite being 30 when he played the 17 year old Peter.

Roger Moore also took James Bond in a comedy direction vs the colder, more brutal 007 style of Sean Connery that had been presented up to that point. Was this done because he was 45 and couldn't perform physically like a 30 year old? I'm not really interested in seeing a Blade movie played for laughs Moonraker style. Also I'm not really sure where you're going with the Toby example. It might make sense if the discussion was based soley on apperance of someone that age and not physical ability but it's not. There is a big difference in physically being able to handle a role at 30 vs 50. A 30 year old playing a 17 year old should still be able to perform and physically move about the same. A 50 year old running around like a 30 year old gets a little more questionable, movie magic or not. Case in point, I loved the movie Nobody but at no point did I ever take Bob Odenkirk serious in the role which framed the movie more as an obsurd comedy then a John Wick style action film for me at least.

[TheBlueMarvel]

^Haha! I was with you until you made the comparison to John Wick. Keanu is 58.

[firmpulse]

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Originally Posted by UpDog

...I don't think anyone thinks they'll never release another Silver Surfer because of the Galactus Haslab.

Man I sure hope they do. Take the new and incredible HasLab head (Thank you May Thamtarana!) and drop it on bigger and pinless buck. Maybe the new Vulcan or Renew Your Vows Spidey. I would also really like a wider board.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by UpDog

I think the Reyes Ghost Rider could support a general release individually. Including Blade would just sweeten the pot adding value and options. They could do a specific modern comic look (a small piece man thing has sort of attached itself to him as a sidekick) and just say "hey obviously we're going to release a Blade again, just not this version" and be done with it. I don't think anyone thinks they'll never release another Silver Surfer because of the Galactus Haslab.

I think it would have been a strong value add, especially if it was included in the base, but I get not wanting to trade the potential "unreleasable otherwise" figures for a character that is definitely able to survive at retail.

As far as Mahershala goes, this seems like a passion project for him, from what I understand he basically used the momentum from his Oscar win to push this movie specifically, he isn't the factor in the movie I'm worried about. Cruise seems to be doing fine with Mission Impossible, Daniel Craig in Bond, Arnold was still putting out good stuff into his late 40s, I think Mahershala will be able to hang. My bigger worry was that they attached a director who hasn't done really anything, let alone an action movie, and that Marvel is gonna turn it into a CGI fest. Get Gareth Evans from The Raid on this, then we could really be cooking with gas.

That all said, of all the ways the Blade movie could suck, ending up like a lazy late era Seagal movie is probably the best way it could suck.

I appreciate your point and while I don’t read current books, it sounds like there is a legitimate relationship between the two characters. Given Dan’s twitter proclamation that the tiers would be of the “demonic persuasion,” I doubt the Daywalker will turn up, but I’m not one to ever turn down a Blade fig; I’m a fan. All that said, I’m really hoping that a Daimon Hellstrom and Blackheart are added to this Lab. I was beside myself with joy regarding the addition of Morg in the Galactus Lab and I’m hoping to be rewarded again.

About Mahershala, I agree, I seriously doubt he would be the reason for any movie failing. And, despite his age, I’m very happy he is Blade and hope the movie is executed well. I know Feige didn’t create the phenomenon of sequels, as Hollywood milked franchises long before the MCU showed up. However, Feige has added an insidious, to me, new wrinkle in casting for a decade worth of sequels and taking this approach with nearly every character/franchise. I personally believe this to be a mistake that plays a role in, at the very least, part of the fatigue that is finally setting in with the broader base of MCU fandom. A fatigue that set in with me years ago. Marvel’s tapestry stretches far and wide and rather than seeing multiple movies about the same characters, I’ve long since believed one-offs would make for a welcome change.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

However, Feige has added an insidious, to me, new wrinkle in casting for a decade worth of sequels and taking this approach with nearly every character/franchise. I personally believe this to be a mistake that plays a role in, at the very least, part of the fatigue that is finally setting in with the broader base of MCU fandom. A fatigue that set in with me years ago. Marvel’s tapestry stretches far and wide and rather than seeing multiple movies about the same characters, I’ve long since believed one-offs would make for a welcome change.

I've long felt that the superhero movie genre needs to shift from being all about Universe and Sequels and Interconnecting and Setting Up Future Installments and Trivia and Lore, and instead being more like how Batman movies have historically been, where it's "this is this director/creative team's Take on the character", and focusing more on strong individual movies.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Moore was awesome as Bond, BTW.

I disagree. I think he was an awful Bond because his movies were full of way too much comedy. I'd like to see real adaptations of Fleming's novels of the movies he did. Okay, to be honest, I'd just like to see 100% accurate adaptations of Fleming's entire books set in their proper time period. It could easily work as an Amazon Prime TV series with 2-3 episodes per book and single episodes for the short stories. This way, they get through the whole thing with one actor over the course of a couple seasons.

Anyway, I do get what you mean about martial art stunts, but an actor can pull off anything these days thanks to wires, CGI, and stuntman. If Tom Cruise can "do his own stunts," anyone up there can.

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Originally Posted by AceSimulacrum

. I had wished to see in live action master-level fighting from the likes of Wolverine, Captain America, Moon Knight, and other characters known for their awesome fighting skills in the comics. But we never really got it. We now get heavy edit, heavy CG, shaky cam, very tight closeups with multiple cuts, fight sequences. Sign of the times.

The big fight against US Agent in Falcon and the Winter Soldier is what we should have gotten from the Cap movies. I agree, I'm sick and tired of shaky cam. I want incredible camerawork that goes with my action sequences where I can see all of the fluid motions and what not. Just think of a Sentai or Kamen Rider series. The shaky cam/cut out shit needs to go.

[Designincase]

What does any of this have to do with the Ghost Rider Haslab?

Anyway 5484 Backers at the moment. Pulsecon tomorrow. Of course they aren't going to say anything about how it's doing but they will mention it. Otherwise nothing new to add as I doubt they will promote currently unknown tiers.

[Boogieman4hire]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

What does any of this have to do with the Ghost Rider Haslab?

Anyway 5484 Backers at the moment. Pulsecon tomorrow. Of course they aren't going to say anything about how it's doing but they will mention it. Otherwise nothing new to add as I doubt they will promote currently unknown tiers.

Something Hasbro maybe could do is show some things that pair well with the Haslab. That Orb for example. Or what if maybe they are at least doing some early development on a Danny Ketch Ghost Rider. Show off some bits of digital sculpt or something and I bet this project might get some more love. If I'm honest I wouldn't care about the Terrax/ Fallen One pack if not for Galactus.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Designincase

What does any of this have to do with the Ghost Rider Haslab?

Does it matter? It's called a conversation. Maybe you should get some friends in the real world try it some time.

[UpDog]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I personally believe this to be a mistake that plays a role in, at the very least, part of the fatigue that is finally setting in with the broader base of MCU fandom. A fatigue that set in with me years ago. Marvel’s tapestry stretches far and wide and rather than seeing multiple movies about the same characters, I’ve long since believed one-offs would make for a welcome change.

The best of the MCU generally seems to come when you let creators with a vision have more or less full reign of the character with very little expectation(true of comics as well). They also seem to do well when they try to be genre films Guardians was great because there was really no expectation and Gunn was allowed to craft his own thing. Ditto Ragnarok, which was another space opera and a sort of Hail Mary on a character who was floundering. Winter Soldier was pretty similar to 70s Political Thrillers. Antman shines when it leans into the heist stuff. Jessica Jones first season was great with the Noir elements. Multiverse of Madness really shines when Raimi is allowed to turn it into an unofficial Evil Dead sequel. I felt like Shang Chi should've leaned more into a practical Kung Fu movie, but it did some things right, and again, a character they had full reign to do their own thing with. It's backfired (Luke Cage couldn't really commit to the Neo Blaxploitation thing it was doing), Moon Knight really didn't take anything from the great runs that reinvigorated the character in the past decade or so, but generally I think that's the recipe for success there.

I'd go practical action/martial arts movie with Blade. There are directors out there who can do it, I just don't know if they'd want to play ball with Marvel given all the creative control they have.


Back on topic of the Haslab, interested to see where HasCon goes today, the information for the panel says they're gonna talk about this, so maybe they can pull it out from sort of the shitty purgatory it's in. They definitely have the opportunity.

[Dolemite]

More on Mahershala Ali's frustration with the Blade movie. Apparently he's not just unhappy with the script - which reportedly only has TWO lackluster action sequences - but also with the whole process of working with Disney overall.

[mangkanorxxv]

If they turned Blade into a Buffy-like cringefest I wouldnt be surprised. I also full expect them to introduce his daughter. Setpieces like the meatlocker blood rave from the first movie are unlikely to be surpassed.

[AlienK]

So no new info from the con?

[Zigerlion]

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Originally Posted by AlienK

So no new info from the con?

They revealed a red gem as a part of the second tier. It looks familiar but I can't place it. Must be getting old.

[AlienK]

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Originally Posted by Zigerlion

They revealed a red gem as a part of the second tier. It looks familiar but I can't place it. Must be getting old.

Nothing is ringing a bell for me either, at least that means Tier 2 isn't Blackheart.

Also, does anyone else find it weird that there was nothing Ghost Rider related aside from the retro figure? You'd think they'd want to I include soemthing to help push the haslab along even if it wasn't slowly going backwards.

[Zigerlion]

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Originally Posted by AlienK

Nothing is ringing a bell for me either, at least that means Tier 2 isn't Blackheart.

Also, does anyone else find it weird that there was nothing Ghost Rider related aside from the retro figure? You'd think they'd want to I include soemthing to help push the haslab along even if it wasn't slowly going backwards.

Ok, I see people mentioning Goblin Queen and it does look like the gem on one of her costumes. I spend much time staring at her assets in the past and the gem leaving an impression on me also makes sense. What kinda doesn't make sense is what does the Goblin Queen have to do with Ghost Rider?

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Zigerlion

Ok, I see people mentioning Goblin Queen and it does look like the gem on one of her costumes. I spend much time staring at her assets in the past and the gem leaving an impression on me also makes sense. What kinda doesn't make sense is what does the Goblin Queen have to do with Ghost Rider?

Nothing really, but the Tiers apparently aren't supposed to be directly related to Ghost Rider, just occult/evil demon shit they can't get through at retail. So in that respect, Maddy Pryor and her ridiculous revealing under-boobs would fit the bill.

[Zigerlion]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Nothing really, but the Tiers apparently aren't supposed to be directly related to Ghost Rider, just occult/evil demon shit they can't get through at retail. So in that respect, Maddy Pryor and her ridiculous revealing under-boobs would fit the bill.

They could have easily sold Goblin Queen in an X-Men wave. She'd be just as popular as Hellfire Jean and her upper-boob. No reason to stick her into a Ghost Rider Haslab unless, oh yeah it's another desperation move like the other reveals. Using sex appeal this time to sell, genius.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by Zigerlion

They could have easily sold Goblin Queen in an X-Men wave. She'd be just as popular as Hellfire Jean and her upper-boob. No reason to stick her into a Ghost Rider Haslab unless, oh yeah it's another desperation move like the other reveals. Using sex appeal this time to sell, genius.

If small plastic boobies are enough enticement to make you drop 350 bucks, you deserve to be parted from your money haha

[Zigerlion]

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Originally Posted by Black Arbor

If small plastic boobies are enough enticement to make you drop 350 bucks, you deserve to be parted from your money haha

LOL agreed but Hellfire Jean goes for $80 on Ebay, the other 3 go for about $50. Make what you will of that.