[dukefett]

I fucking despise the BAF concept.

This is the main villain of the movie and you've got to buy what, at least 6-7 other figures to get him? They did the same stupid shit with Ultron. I'll never give Hasbro money for this crap.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by dukefett

I fucking despise the BAF concept.

This is the main villain of the movie and you've got to buy what, at least 6-7 other figures to get him? They did the same stupid shit with Ultron. I'll never give Hasbro money for this crap.

No, the actual figure of him isn't the BAF, the wings are. Plus, in this case, it's understandable to make the wings the BAF because they are MASSIVE.

[Bearjew]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

No, the actual figure of him isn't the BAF, the wings are. Plus, in this case, it's understandable to make the wings the BAF because they are MASSIVE.

That makes me feel better. I would be ok with just the figure. It is pretty cool itself.

[En Sabah Nerd]

I'd hope that the Vulture figure itself at least comes with the central backpack piece so that he on his own can at least have something. It'd be silly if he just had like one of the ends.

[Heisenberg17]

Wow....You have to give it to Hasbro Sandman BAF, Warlock BAF and now this all look so much better than what we have betting getting from them before. I don't always need the figure to be huge but I want details and paint and this looks like it has both. I hope they are wrong about the alternate head.

I assume they are doing at least 2 maybe 3 Spider waves this year so I also really hope we get a classic Vulture. Give us a comic Kingpin BAF and comic Dr. Ock BAF and Hasbro will be on fire.

[OGTrilogy]

I guess they're just trying to differentiate between Vulture and Falcon, but those wings are ridiculously huge. A human being wouldn't be able to carry all that on their back. I think the only benefits of a winged backpack (or a jetpack) would be that they are compact and easily transported. It's a nice looking figure though.

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by OGTrilogy

I guess they're just trying to differentiate between Vulture and Falcon, but those wings are ridiculously huge. A human being wouldn't be able to carry all that on their back. I think the only benefits of a winged backpack (or a jetpack) would be that they are compact and easily transported. It's a nice looking figure though.

Considering his wings are apparently based on Chitauri technology, maybe they're made of some ultra-light metal not found on Earth or something.

[Bearjew]

It looks like he also has metal legs to help support. May be like something similar to Ironman tech.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

No, the actual figure of him isn't the BAF, the wings are. Plus, in this case, it's understandable to make the wings the BAF because they are MASSIVE.

Wait a tic.....his WINGS are the build a whatsamahoosue? Thats got to be the dumbest idea since greedo shooting first. Do his wings magic cally take over his mind ?

[autoboty]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Wait a tic.....his WINGS are the build a whatsamahoosue? Thats got to be the dumbest idea since greedo shooting first. Do his wings magic cally take over his mind ?

No, but they're too big to fit in one box and expect to have the same price-point as the others.

[warmachine6]

it would've been far cheaper and better if they used dark hawk's wings. I blame the concept artist and the guy who approved it

[TheBlueMarvel]

Just noticed the talons on the feet...wish I hadn't. lol The figure sculpt at least had something positive going as a random merc/pilot, but those talons eliminate even that use. This fig is starting to feel like those movie figures of the Green Goblin...the effort is there, but the concept is lacking.

[Aesir]

I like the design. A design closer to the comic would not have translated well to film imo.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by autoboty

No, but they're too big to fit in one box and expect to have the same price-point as the others.

Ah okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

it would've been far cheaper and better if they used dark hawk's wings. I blame the concept artist and the guy who approved it

Crack dealer and the guy who smoked it. Haha

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Aesir

I like the design. A design closer to the comic would not have translated well to film imo.

Really? Of course, everyone has their own subjective take...but the "doesn't translate well" line seems like film exec. speak for "I think the original costume looks corny and I'm going to reinvent/re-envision the classic concept and create something that looks even cornier."

Many of the talents associated with making these flicks aren't comic people, yet they think they know better as it relates to superhero design...riiiight. The "versus" fan-films that are all over the web prove there is no need to change classic costumes. Aspiring actors, make-up artists, costume designers, and film-makers are demonstrating that comic accurate renditions work perfectly well. If studios are still concerned that casual or uninitiated fans might be put off by the outlandish nature of super-hero duds, they shouldn't be. Casual fans follow the recommendations of their more hardcore friends. It works this way in almost every genre; music, movies, videogames, etc. Once a casual fan gets an endorsement from a friend they regard as informed or "in the know," they flock to whatever it is. Movie studios would be better served (IMO) by catering to long term aficionados and reaping the benefit of the word-of-mouth marketing generated from critical acclaim.

We have moved a long way from the early 2000's and the first X-men and Spiderman films. People are ready for the actual Galactus, so move over, amorphous purple cloud....

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg17

Wow....You have to give it to Hasbro Sandman BAF, Warlock BAF and now this all look so much better than what we have betting getting from them before. I don't always need the figure to be huge but I want details and paint and this looks like it has both. I hope they are wrong about the alternate head.

A little food for thought on the alternate head. While I don't have any sort of solid evidence of the sort, the general consensus from various unconfirmed sources is the Michael Keaton's is either notoriously difficult to work with when it comes to likeness rights, is too expensive to obtain rights to, or is simply not interested in being cast in plastic. NECA hinted as such back when their 7" Batman came out.

Another thought. What if Michael Keaton is actually NOT the Vulture, but rather the Tinkerer? The Tinkerer has long been rumored to be a character in the film (as he is supposedly where the Shocker and Vulture receive their technology in the first place) and the recent international trailer for Homecoming has Keaton speaking to someone else as if HE is the supplier for the technology.

Is it possible to have a secret like that so closely guarded in Hollywood anymore for an upcoming film? It's tough...but possible. Remember, we ALL thought Ben Kingsley was the Mandarin...

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Wait a tic.....his WINGS are the build a whatsamahoosue? Thats got to be the dumbest idea since greedo shooting first. Do his wings magically take over his mind ?

Like Doc Ock's tentacles did in Spider-Man 2?

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Really? Of course, everyone has their own subjective take...but the "doesn't translate well" line seems like film exec. speak for "I think the original costume looks corny and I'm going to reinvent/re-envision the classic concept and create something that looks even cornier."

Many of the talents associated with making these flicks aren't comic people, yet they think they know better as it relates to superhero design...riiiight. The "versus" fan-films that are all over the web prove there is no need to change classic costumes. Aspiring actors, make-up artists, costume designers, and film-makers are demonstrating that comic accurate renditions work perfectly well. If studios are still concerned that casual or uninitiated fans might be put off by the outlandish nature of super-hero duds, they shouldn't be. Casual fans follow the recommendations of their more hardcore friends. It works this way in almost every genre; music, movies, videogames, etc. Once a casual fan gets an endorsement from a friend they regard as informed or "in the know," they flock to whatever it is. Movie studios would be better served (IMO) by catering to long term aficionados and reaping the benefit of the word-of-mouth marketing generated from critical acclaim.

We have moved a long way from the early 2000's and the first X-men and Spiderman films. People are ready for the actual Galactus, so move over, amorphous purple cloud....

This is one of those discussions that I have had with friends over and over with the X-Men movies. While I applaud the talents of many of the artists, actors and filmakers who make these one shot films come to life (such as Super Hero Beatdown,) the comic accurate costumes and looks that we love work great in these one shots and shorts, but as far as an overall cinematic experience, they can have huge issues depending on the artistic direction the director and studio wish to go with it.

The Netflix Daredevil is a perfect example of this. I'm as big of a fan of DD's classic red spandex look as anyone else, and it would work fine for a short fan film, but I would have a difficult time suspending my belief that a man could actually go out and fight in that night after night if it was the costume being used on the show, especially with the amount of abuse DD's body takes over the course of an episode. Since the show runs over the course of a season and gives us the perception of passing time, we need to believe that there is something protecting his body other than dumb luck and Claire Temple, because otherwise, he would only be able to go out and do his Daredevil gig once a month (which would make for a less entertaining show...)

Then there's the X-Men argument...but again, it boils down to director's vision. Zach Snyder wanted people to feel like they were stepping into the graphic novel when he did "Watchmen" and as a result, everything else in the movie looked like something straight out of a comic with fantasy elements to it (although even he balked to the idea of a giant squid destroying NYC.) Singer wanted his vision of the X-Men to be that of everyday people living around us, and thus a bit more grounded in reality and everyday technology (which he has been repeatedly chastised for...) that might actually exist or could be created. (The old science fiction vs science fantasy debate)

People everywhere were outraged by the looks of both the Sentinels and Apocalypse in the last two X-films, wanting seamless 40 foot tall robots and blue skinned CGI behemoths with tubes coming out of their back, and while that may have looked cool, when inserted into the universe that Singer has crafted over years and years, they just would have looked impractical. Whether or not they would have improved the films is debatable (especially Apocalypse, but I felt the look and portrayal of the character was just fine) but in terms of looking out of place...they more than likely would have.

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Triv

I appreciate where you are coming from, but I disagree on a few things. My imagination works differently, I guess, because I regard all of this as fantasy. I don't necessarily want to see the two characters together, but Howard the Duck and Cap occupy the same reality (not to mention Rocket or Groot). There are no limits to what might occur in Marvel's fantasy universe. The masses are broken in now, they have established the parameters of 616...it's time to unleash! lol

What makes you so sure people would grow tired of comic accurate costumes done well? I think many of us, as fans, have internalized a great deal of studio-thinking. That's not really a bad thing, but we are well beyond the point of 'introduction' and I was very happy that Dr Strange pulled no punches. I don't mind tweaking source material, but many of these studio types lack the creative talent needed to re-imagine established concepts. Tim Burton? Sure. Some of these other guys? Not so much.

I'm glad you mentioned the Sentinels. I liked the look of them, but feel a concept that resembled the source would have worked equally well.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Another thought. What if Michael Keaton is actually NOT the Vulture, but rather the Tinkerer? The Tinkerer has long been rumored to be a character in the film (as he is supposedly where the Shocker and Vulture receive their technology in the first place) and the recent international trailer for Homecoming has Keaton speaking to someone else as if HE is the supplier for the technology.

Is it possible to have a secret like that so closely guarded in Hollywood anymore for an upcoming film? It's tough...but possible. Remember, we ALL thought Ben Kingsley was the Mandarin...



People everywhere were outraged by the looks of both the Sentinels and Apocalypse in the last two X-films, wanting seamless 40 foot tall robots and blue skinned CGI behemoths with tubes coming out of their back, and while that may have looked cool, when inserted into the universe that Singer has crafted over years and years, they just would have looked impractical. Whether or not they would have improved the films is debatable (especially Apocalypse, but I felt the look and portrayal of the character was just fine) but in terms of looking out of place...they more than likely would have.

I remember reading somewhere about the Tinkerer being in the movie but I hope he's either minor or the character was rolled into Vulture's part. Nothing against the Tinkerer but for some reason I've always liked Shocker for creating his own gear so the idea that there's a high tech weapons dealer he goes to instead weakens the image of any villain he supplies. Also how dare you bring up that Mandarin BS, not cool

Apocalypse is gray not blue, thank you I didn't see the movie until after everyone had torn it apart but I thought it was decent. The main drag was that in addition to his unusual appearance Apocalypse only had a couple of scenes where he was actually intimidating. Mystique being forced into the hero role again was also bleh.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Aesir

I like the design. A design closer to the comic would not have translated well to film imo.

Seriously, I understand loving the classic comic look, but anyone thinking that a senior citizen in a green leotard flying around with actual feather wings would have translated well for the MCU is just kidding themselves.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Seriously, I understand loving the classic comic look, but anyone thinking that a senior citizen in a green leotard flying around with actual feather wings would have translated well for the MCU is just kidding themselves.

Stephen Lang (64yrs old) did a pretty good job as an intimidating "senior citizen" in Don't Breathe (and he was in better shape than many guys half his age)...not to mention, Sly Stallone (also 64, at the time of the first movie) in The Expendables...and half that cast, come to think of it.

It's 2016, antiquated notions about the elderly lose their meaning in an age of steroids and cross-fit! Hhahahaha!

[Jeddostotle7]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Another thought. What if Michael Keaton is actually NOT the Vulture, but rather the Tinkerer? The Tinkerer has long been rumored to be a character in the film (as he is supposedly where the Shocker and Vulture receive their technology in the first place) and the recent international trailer for Homecoming has Keaton speaking to someone else as if HE is the supplier for the technology.

Is it possible to have a secret like that so closely guarded in Hollywood anymore for an upcoming film? It's tough...but possible. Remember, we ALL thought Ben Kingsley was the Mandarin...

Nope. Michael Keaton is the Vulture, Michael Chernus is the Tinkerer. Confirmed a looooong time ago.

[AFU]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Stephen Lang (64yrs old) did a pretty good job as an intimidating "senior citizen" in Don't Breathe (and he was in better shape than many guys half his age)...not to mention, Sly Stallone (also 64, at the time of the first movie) in The Expendables...and half that cast, come to think of it.

It's 2016, antiquated notions about the elderly lose their meaning in an age of steroids and cross-fit! Hhahahaha!

I think they should at least find a way to make a ML comic version, old and modern, of Vulture...Thank the gods Hasbro went with a comic BAF Rhino last year, because that Rhino at the end of the most recent Spiderman, IMO, would have made an awful BAF...Just saying...

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Stephen Lang (64yrs old) did a pretty good job as an intimidating "senior citizen" in Don't Breathe (and he was in better shape than many guys half his age)...not to mention, Sly Stallone (also 64, at the time of the first movie) in The Expendables...and half that cast, come to think of it.

It's 2016, antiquated notions about the elderly lose their meaning in an age of steroids and cross-fit! Hhahahaha!

And lest we forget keaton as BBBBIIIIRRRRDDDDDmmmmaaaannn. ( not the superhero but in the movie birdman. )

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Jeddostotle7

Nope. Michael Keaton is the Vulture, Michael Chernus is the Tinkerer. Confirmed a looooong time ago.

Possibly...but again...

Ben Kingsley was the Mandarin, Guy Pierce was Aldrich Killian...we all remember how that worked out.

While Keaton could still be Tombs (and is likely to be) red herrings still and can exist in Hollywood provided they don't jump the shark and reveal all first chance they get.

Considering how many trailers of Civil War that hit the Internet featuring scenes that Spider-Man was removed from, the only reason we ever even found out he was going to be in the film was because Marvel basically blew it's wad early and wanted to smoke out some of the BvS hype...

Just fun to speculate...is all.