[En Sabah Nerd]

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Sorry the character change in Thor makes no sense to me. Just because someone new picks up Mjolnir it doesn't make them "Thor" it just means they are worthy enough to wield his power. It's not a title like Green Lantern or something unless they've changed that recently. Everyone that's picked up the hammer in the past wasn't called Thor (at least to my knowledge).

Plus it doesn't help that Thor is my favorite Avenger and one of my overall favorite Marvel characters.

I thought Eric Masterson went by Thor for awhile. He was Thor during the Infinity Gauntlet event and then when the actual Thor came back Eric became Thunderstrike.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

Sorry the character change in Thor makes no sense to me. Just because someone new picks up Mjolnir it doesn't make them "Thor" it just means they are worthy enough to wield his power. It's not a title like Green Lantern or something unless they've changed that recently. Everyone that's picked up the hammer in the past wasn't called Thor (at least to my knowledge).

Plus it doesn't help that Thor is my favorite Avenger and one of my overall favorite Marvel characters.

Eric Masterson was Thor. Rogue was Thor in a What If comic. And there have been many others too. So many others in the 90s that there was even a Thor Corps for awhile. This "the wielder of Mjolnir is Thor" concept isn't something entirely new without precedence.

Thor Odinson is still Thor Odinson. But with his hammer does come the hero title of Thor itself too. It's always been this way at Marvel. The new hero name doesn't come until they get their own Hammer and the other one returns to Odinson himself. This instance, it hasn't returned, and if what was said is what I suspect to have been said, it's not likely it will return to him anytime soon.

The character growth he's going through because of this though will potentially push his character to new ground and explore other areas of his personality and drive. So in my opinion, it's the best of both worlds. We get a new kickass female hero that carries on the legacy in a more worthy fashion, and we get Odinson himself deeply exploring himself and growing as a character with life outside of Mjolnir. The approach of the hammer itself being sentient is also quite intriguing to me. Expanding the concepts while also filling in previous history of the hammer to give previous instances more weight outside of Odin deeming it one way or another. The fact the hammer itself can now even deem Odin himself unworthy provides even more story potential for later and harkens back to that age old question of "can god make a rock so heavy even god can't lift?" and merits further exploration.

Now granted, these changes are all assuming they are written well. Execution is key to great ideas staying great as opposed to great ideas falling flat.

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I stand corrected. It was the 1980s where the Thor Corps premiered.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I still read Marvel comics, but selectively. Moon Knight has been excellent in his newest volume, the one before that was set in LA was "meh" at best. Even though Richard Rider will always be Nova to me, the new volume with Sam turned out to be enjoyable. Uncanny Avengers isn't as good as Remender's previous book (Uncanny X-Force) but it is still great to me. I'm not really that bothered by the whole Maagneto/Maximoffs revelation, him being their dad was always a nice story device but it was technically a retcon back when it was revealed too. I'm just happy a writer is actually using Scarlet Witch as a character again and not just a walking WMD.

Guardians of the Galaxy is the one book I stuck with that I truly have to wonder why I did, because I thought it was pretty bad. At least pretty bad when compared to the DnA volume from just a few years ago. The team dynamics weren't as fun, the Mass Effect armor didn't look good, and Venom was basically castrated.

At least the 3.75" toys are still carrying on with strength... oh wait.

Is X-Force still in print? Speaking of 3.75 the latest wave is up at HTS minus Shanna. Hopefully she gets posted soon.
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[Snowflakian]

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Is X-Force still in print?

Nope. All Marvel titles outside of a select few have ceased publication currently while Secret Wars takes place.

Then it's a line wide relaunch of all #1s once that's over. 55-60 of them. Not all the titles of which have been revealed yet.

Personally, I'm hoping this Marvel Infinite stall is because they are biding time to coincide the next waves with the new titles. So hopefully (keeping my fingers crossed at least!) we might see the new wolverine as a figure, falcon cap, female thor, captain marvel, and more finally as figures with hopefully still some other classic throwback figures sparsely scattered in like the post AvX Cyclops among others.

There's a nice timing gap in it this time, that if Hasbro hauls butt on it, they could have waves hit the same time as the new titles do. And the smart thing would be to start with the already prevalent characters like Falcon Cap, Female Thor, Captain Marvel, Kate Bishop Hawkeye(Clint Barton Hawkeye variant which can be a straight up repack of his Assemble figure), new Daredevil, Superior Spider-man, new Ironman(Rescue as a variant) and the new wolverine. Those would cover all the mainstay bases and give them time to see how well received the other titles are that are heavier unknowns. Wave 2, if I were them, I'd rely heavier on the animated characters that have appeared like White Tiger, Kazar, Agent Venom, Sam Nova, with nuMarvel Citizen V and Thunderbolts Luke Cage and Songbird, etc. So this would gain them some footing back into the market heavier while they decided if certain new characters should get figures or not based on their reception.

Citizen V and Songbird in particular allow older Marvel while still being new Marvel at the same time. So those two in particular are the best of both worlds on the figure front.

Plus they've got plenty of other figures still in the backlog that need to reach shelves still or be re-released like Red She-Hulk while they prep for this.

[Zend]

I guessed it was her from the start, but SPOILERS:


I'm not happy they copped out and made Jane Foster the new Thor. $10 says wielding Mjolnir cured her cancer, and that they did it just to keep the characters around longer.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Nope. All Marvel titles outside of a select few have ceased publication currently while Secret Wars takes place.

Then it's a line wide relaunch of all #1s once that's over. 55-60 of them. Not all the titles of which have been revealed yet.

Personally, I'm hoping this Marvel Infinite stall is because they are biding time to coincide the next waves with the new titles. So hopefully (keeping my fingers crossed at least!) we might see the new wolverine as a figure, falcon cap, female thor, captain marvel, and more finally as figures with hopefully still some other classic throwback figures sparsely scattered in like the post AvX Cyclops among others.

There's a nice timing gap in it this time, that if Hasbro hauls butt on it, they could have waves hit the same time as the new titles do. And the smart thing would be to start with the already prevalent characters like Falcon Cap, Female Thor, Captain Marvel, Kate Bishop Hawkeye(Clint Barton Hawkeye variant which can be a straight up repack of his Assemble figure), new Daredevil, Superior Spider-man, new Ironman(Rescue as a variant) and the new wolverine. Those would cover all the mainstay bases and give them time to see how well received the other titles are that are heavier unknowns. Wave 2, if I were them, I'd rely heavier on the animated characters that have appeared like White Tiger, Kazar, Agent Venom, Sam Nova, with nuMarvel Citizen V and Thunderbolts Luke Cage and Songbird, etc. So this would gain them some footing back into the market heavier while they decided if certain new characters should get figures or not based on their reception.

Citizen V and Songbird in particular allow older Marvel while still being new Marvel at the same time. So those two in particular are the best of both worlds on the figure front.

Plus they've got plenty of other figures still in the backlog that need to reach shelves still or be re-released like Red She-Hulk while they prep for this.

Thanks...wonder what X-Title they'll re release then...and who will be in what teams.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Zend

I guessed it was her from the start, but SPOILERS:


I'm not happy they copped out and made Jane Foster the new Thor. $10 says wielding Mjolnir cured her cancer, and that they did it just to keep the characters around longer.

Pretty sure everyone guessed it. It was rather obvious and was/is the best choice that makes the most sense and provides the most material to deal with story-wise that's similar yet different and still fresh. The only other possible candidate was Jubilee because of future Jubilee being Wolverine, and that one still might happen much later. Especially considering they've now become very close friends and if something happens to Laura while she's Wolverine.

If that was the case, why even give her cancer? They wrote it that way to make her seem like a less likely candidate for the hammer, and provide more story potential. So far Mjolnir is doing the opposite and is making her cancer worse because it's exhausting her. I'm sure they have other story plans in the works for that. My concern is more towards she dies because of the cancer to cause grief on Thor to then make him worthy again. Which will make her entire arc and death about him instead of about her as a character and her own growth. That would be a horrible way to end it though, but Marvel has been known for turns like that. We're talking about a literary universe though where every facet is writer controlled for the purpose of the arc they are writing. But no, I don't think they'll go the 'magical cure' route. The title has been pretty adamant that she's refusing that, even from Mjolnir itself. If she beats the cancer, it'll be by human medicine. As a medical worker herself, that fits her personality they've used in the comics.

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Thanks...wonder what X-Title they'll re release then...and who will be in what teams.

So far, Wolverine has been the only X-Title announcement. No clue what other titles yet, but there are sure to be a bunch because it's like 55-60 titles and only barely even 20 have been announced so far.

[jedirulz123]

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hopefully still some other classic throwback figures sparsely scattered in like the post AvX Cyclops among others.

Kate Bishop Hawkeye(Clint Barton Hawkeye variant which can be a straight up repack of his Assemble figure)

I seriously doubt we'll ever be getting the X-Face Cyclops, and as for that Hawkeye, the AA variant would be the clever way to go, but no; they'd make a whole New one on an even lesser articulated buck with the reason being "new sculpts cost money". They don't use common sense when it comes to saving.

[samsson37]

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I seriously doubt we'll ever be getting the X-Face Cyclops, and as for that Hawkeye, the AA variant would be the clever way to go, but no; they'd make a whole New one on an even lesser articulated buck with the reason being "new sculpts cost money". They don't use common sense when it comes to saving.

So true. So my EMH version of Living Laser is done, I'll have pics of him when he arrives... Madrill, Chemistro, and Grey Gargoyle on tap...

As far as Thor goes didn't 616 Thor meet his untimely DOOM with Hyperion as they were the last/ first to encounter the horde of Beyonders... before Secret Wars actually got started...

[Snowflakian]

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If that was the case, why even give her cancer? They wrote it that way to make her seem like a less likely candidate for the hammer, and provide more story potential. So far Mjolnir is doing the opposite and is making her cancer worse because it's exhausting her. I'm sure they have other story plans in the works for that. My concern is more towards she dies because of the cancer to cause grief on Thor to then make him worthy again. Which will make her entire arc and death about him instead of about her as a character and her own growth. That would be a horrible way to end it though, but Marvel has been known for turns like that. We're talking about a literary universe though where every facet is writer controlled for the purpose of the arc they are writing. But no, I don't think they'll go the 'magical cure' route. The title has been pretty adamant that she's refusing that, even from Mjolnir itself. If she beats the cancer, it'll be by human medicine. As a medical worker herself, that fits her personality they've used in the comics.

Adding on to that:

If she dies of cancer, the question will be if Odinson finds out she's the new Thor or not, or if someone else wields the Hammer in her stead so he doesn't find out until much later when he finds out she's in Valhalla. Due to her time as Thor, I could see her going to Valhalla instead of the human heaven. This leading her to become a valkyrie or another asgardian type hero down the line so she ends up ruling alongside Odinson as the Queen. It's either that, or she dies from the cancer, he finds out she was thor, regains the hammer, seeks her out in valhalla to ask why, which then leads to her becoming the queen. And they both maintain the thor identity as a thunder family. The only other story option that I see they might take is when Jane dies, she becomes the new Hela for the angst angle, but the other two options fit Marvel's pattern and seem more likely. Depending on what was said to Thor, I highly doubt he's going to pick up the hammer again anytime soon at all. With something of this magnitude of a change, it's gotta be something pretty dark and not a simple infidelity type reason.

At least those are the three directions I see Marvel going.

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I seriously doubt we'll ever be getting the X-Face Cyclops, and as for that Hawkeye, the AA variant would be the clever way to go, but no; they'd make a whole New one on an even lesser articulated buck with the reason being "new sculpts cost money". They don't use common sense when it comes to saving.

You're forgetting that hasbro has shown an aptitude to repack older figures if it fits the line. The only new mold characters that have been made are ones that hadn't had a figure before. Even then, they've still re-used parts as Doc Ock shows and Vulture among others. It's the new parts that have the limited articulation. Plus the Avengers Assemble modern Hawkeye does already have the limited articulation that the current figures have.

[Exodus]

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Pretty sure everyone guessed it. It was rather obvious and was/is the best choice that makes the most sense and provides the most material to deal with story-wise that's similar yet different and still fresh. The only other possible candidate was Jubilee because of future Jubilee being Wolverine, and that one still might happen much later. Especially considering they've now become very close friends and if something happens to Laura while she's Wolverine.[/COLOR]

That I've missed, what comic do they bond at?

[Snowflakian]

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That I've missed, what comic do they bond at?

X-23 v3 issues 10-12 I think. When she's in Paris. There was a follow up in issue 19 of that run too.

[Kernel]

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Citizen V making a return is pretty sweet too.

So far the changes have been decent. Falcon as cap has been interesting. Wolverine's death is hit or miss but his actual death is pretty much the only way to take him off the board in comparison to other things they've tried. Female Thor has been awesome and when they reveal what was said to Odinson, it might make more guys either toss away comics for good or praise it but it's extremely grounded in his norse mythology. Kinda hope she keeps the Hammer permanently. Miles Morales Spidey has also been fun to read and at least it's not Peter Parker de-aged to 16. And no matter what others may say, had nothing to do with Obama at all. Glover wanting to audition for the role got the gears turning, and Bendis who has adopted children that asked why they couldn't be spider-man rather point blank to him made it a passion project for him.

Some of Marvel has been hit or miss, but I urge you to give the new #1s a shot. If they are written well, they may surprise in how marvelous they are. New Captain Marvel has been a pretty phenom read too.

So don't be dissuaded by the negative spins from people afraid of change. If it wasn't for this new Marvel approach, we wouldn't have even gotten the absolutely stellar Hawkeye comics we've been getting lately.

I agree with you snowflakian. I think it's kinda cool some of the changes they have made. I always find it interesting when someone other than Steve Rogers, Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker etc. get a chance to carry on the legacy of their predecessors. Plus its gotta be hard to write for some of these characters who have been around for decades and have limits on what you can and can't do and have to acknowledge sometimes 70 years of continuity. I'm mixed race too so it's cool to see diversity in comics. Dr. Strange movie is coming out and hopefully they get... You know... An Asian actor to play Wong.

Also I wonder whats up with the SDCC exclusive for 4" collectors.

[Ninjinister]

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Originally Posted by Zend

I guessed it was her from the start, but SPOILERS:


I'm not happy they copped out and made Jane Foster the new Thor. $10 says wielding Mjolnir cured her cancer, and that they did it just to keep the characters around longer.

F**kin' gimme that hammer then.

[kylactus]

yeah thor should go pass that thing around the pediatric cancer ward at Shriners. As far as the current writers at marvel and there "fresh" ideas, there basically plagiarizing themselves at this point, I mean ok, having one major hero off the board and having some zany fill in for a couple issues (Bucky cap, female Hawkeye) every once and a while is comics 101, but in the span of a couple years making everyone black, female or gay is a little unbelievable plus I feel like by saying "look everyone Cap and Spidey are now black so check em out" they ultimately neglect great black characters. When was the last time you've seen Blade or Black Panther, or Luke Cage, or Bishop or War Machine...(although last I heard there was like nothing left of Jim Rhodes inside the suit) in anything? its like the real black heroes are being buried, and black versions of Flagship heroes are being poorly written in. it makes no sense to me, personally if they did some good bade stuff, or a Heroes for Hire re-launch, I'd be a Marvel reader again for sure.

[kylactus]

and still no reveal on a SDCC 3.75" anything!?! I'm thinking the lab coat Pym will be in a TRU multi pack like X-factor that'll be revealed at Comi con to vaguely coincide with a marvel film (like the x factor pack for first class. and for a 3.75 con exclusive I'm going out on a negative limb.... nothing!

[Zend]

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If that was the case, why even give her cancer? They wrote it that way to make her seem like a less likely candidate for the hammer, and provide more story potential. So far Mjolnir is doing the opposite and is making her cancer worse because it's exhausting her. I'm sure they have other story plans in the works for that. My concern is more towards she dies because of the cancer to cause grief on Thor to then make him worthy again. Which will make her entire arc and death about him instead of about her as a character and her own growth. That would be a horrible way to end it though, but Marvel has been known for turns like that. We're talking about a literary universe though where every facet is writer controlled for the purpose of the arc they are writing. But no, I don't think they'll go the 'magical cure' route. The title has been pretty adamant that she's refusing that, even from Mjolnir itself. If she beats the cancer, it'll be by human medicine. As a medical worker herself, that fits her personality they've used in the comics.
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What was the point of making Thor unworthy at all if they're going with that plan? How is it possible that he has no knowledge of the universes colliding in the future as the All Father, despite them making it a point to verify that King Thor is indeed the same Odinson the main 616 continuity? Not everything Marvel does/allows their writers to do makes sense is what I'm getting at.

I seriously doubt Marvel will shoot themselves in the foot with the end game you fear they're planning though. They will catch so much shit if the entire arc served as a vessel to further Odinson's story and make him worthy again, especially if they kill her (I believe morons call that fridging, but only care when its a female character). We're in an era where Marvel allowed a writer to completely change an established character's costume just because the internet exploded after they let an artist known for erotic art draw her in pose that the public deemed "sexist and objectifying."

The only outcome I see is her coming out of the arc alive and well, one way or another.

[Snowflakian]

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yeah thor should go pass that thing around the pediatric cancer ward at Shriners. As far as the current writers at marvel and there "fresh" ideas, there basically plagiarizing themselves at this point, I mean ok, having one major hero off the board and having some zany fill in for a couple issues (Bucky cap, female Hawkeye) every once and a while is comics 101, but in the span of a couple years making everyone black, female or gay is a little unbelievable plus I feel like by saying "look everyone Cap and Spidey are now black so check em out" they ultimately neglect great black characters. When was the last time you've seen Blade or Black Panther, or Luke Cage, or Bishop or War Machine...(although last I heard there was like nothing left of Jim Rhodes inside the suit) in anything? its like the real black heroes are being buried, and black versions of Flagship heroes are being poorly written in. it makes no sense to me, personally if they did some good bade stuff, or a Heroes for Hire re-launch, I'd be a Marvel reader again for sure.

Those titles couldn't stay above the 20k threshold. I was a reader on Thunderbolts where Cage was at, and a reader of War Machine's titles too. The sales on all the titles you mentioned though barely stayed at 20k sales. And that's the line for cancellation. These new initiatives have stayed well above that.

Also, Kate Bishop Hawkeye is better than Clint Barton Hawkeye.

[QUOTE=Zend;602784]

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What was the point of making Thor unworthy at all if they're going with that plan? How is it possible that he has no knowledge of the universes colliding in the future as the All Father, despite them making it a point to verify that King Thor is indeed the same Odinson the main 616 continuity? Not everything Marvel does/allows their writers to do makes sense is what I'm getting at.

I seriously doubt Marvel will shoot themselves in the foot with the end game you fear they're planning though. They will catch so much shit if the entire arc served as a vessel to further Odinson's story and make him worthy again, especially if they kill her (I believe morons call that fridging, but only care when its a female character). We're in an era where Marvel allowed a writer to completely change an established character's costume just because the internet exploded after they let an artist known for erotic art draw her in pose that the public deemed "sexist and objectifying."

The only outcome I see is her coming out of the arc alive and well, one way or another.

Marvel has a history of taking cancer stories very seriously. It's one of the few things that if a character gets it, they tend to not survive. Even the original Captain Marvel couldn't beat it. Though that does bring up an interesting point about diversity. It is actually really cool for kids and even adults that have cancer to read about a hero like Thor and what she does even with cancer. Yeah, it is called 'women in refridgerators' as named after Alex in Green Lantern. And it is a valid point about treatment of female characters.

That's why I think they may keep the hammer away from thor even after if she dies from it. But the valhalla aspect does seem like something they'd want to explore.

It's comic books. No one stays dead except uncle Ben and Bruce Wayne's parents.

Spider-woman has had the same costume since her debut years ago. She needed a new costume. The fact that it's actually designed to fit with her title's more spy-like stories and have form to function is actually a really nice touch. Spider-man has gone through several costumes since his debut, and you're complaining that Jessica Drew finally got one?

And yeah, the internet did have an uproar about how Spider-woman was depicted on that cover. With good reason too. That was some Liefeld level art perspective stuff going on in it.

Speaking of which, we need Spider-woman's new costume as a figure, Spider-Gwen, and Silk.

[Ninjinister]

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yeah thor should go pass that thing around the pediatric cancer ward at Shriners. As far as the current writers at marvel and there "fresh" ideas, there basically plagiarizing themselves at this point, I mean ok, having one major hero off the board and having some zany fill in for a couple issues (Bucky cap, female Hawkeye) every once and a while is comics 101, but in the span of a couple years making everyone black, female or gay is a little unbelievable plus I feel like by saying "look everyone Cap and Spidey are now black so check em out" they ultimately neglect great black characters. When was the last time you've seen Blade or Black Panther, or Luke Cage, or Bishop or War Machine...(although last I heard there was like nothing left of Jim Rhodes inside the suit) in anything? its like the real black heroes are being buried, and black versions of Flagship heroes are being poorly written in. it makes no sense to me, personally if they did some good bade stuff, or a Heroes for Hire re-launch, I'd be a Marvel reader again for sure.

Bishop was an important part of the X-Force run before this last one (Storm was, too), and Blade and Luke were in Mighty Avengers (I think that entire team was black except Shulkie and Spidey).

The whole Captain Falcon situation had a problem of its own, in the media at least with every jag-off blogger that reported "Captain America is black now" instead of "Falcon is Captain America now". Pissed me off that this character who had been around for 40 years was being disregarded as a character in his own right who happened to be a successor to the mantle and was just "a black guy" (plus it made it sound like Steve was changing races). Especially since I grew up reading "Captain America and The Falcon" so to me, Sam becoming Cap made more sense than Bucky.

[kylactus]

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Also, Kate Bishop Hawkeye is better than Clint Barton Hawkeye.

[QUOTE=Zend;602784]

yeah, and Azezil (I know it's misspelled, I don't speak Aramaic) was a better Bat Man, the problem was He wasn't Bat Man! These characters aren't popular because they change who they are every time society has a change of opinion. ultimately everything will work itself out, the original characters will go back to themselves, because that's who they are, until some jackass writer is going to "make his mark" and flips everything up and pisses off die hard fans, but that's ok, because every few decades we get a damn good writer that can pick up the pieces, un-write the last decade and move the story forward in a natural way, and allow Hasbro to sell us the same Cap packaged ten different ways.

[Kernel]

^ I always like when the original character takes back the mantle after a layoff.
I'm also confused about Rhodes, I was just reading captain marvel where they seemed to be a couple and he was like a normal human.

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Bishop was an important part of the X-Force run before this last one (Storm was, too), and Blade and Luke were in Mighty Avengers (I think that entire team was black except Shulkie and Spidey).

The whole Captain Falcon situation had a problem of its own, in the media at least with every jag-off blogger that reported "Captain America is black now" instead of "Falcon is Captain America now". Pissed me off that this character who had been around for 40 years was being disregarded as a character in his own right who happened to be a successor to the mantle and was just "a black guy" (plus it made it sound like Steve was changing races). Especially since I grew up reading "Captain America and The Falcon" so to me, Sam becoming Cap made more sense than Bucky.

I couldn't have said it better Ninjinister. I also hope for nothing but the best with your battle with cancer.

[kylactus]

I only know what I read in the Marvel encyclopedia, and the back of the Comic modern War Machine from the IM2 line. from what I understand, he got blown up and only his brain, and part of his face were salvageable, and he gets all robo coped into a war machine suit, that also has machine Mans powers of absorbing and melding with tec. but the last I saw he was running a group of government run sentinels.

[Snowflakian]

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yeah, and Azezil (I know it's misspelled, I don't speak Aramaic) was a better Bat Man, the problem was He wasn't Bat Man! These characters aren't popular because they change who they are every time society has a change of opinion. ultimately everything will work itself out, the original characters will go back to themselves, because that's who they are, until some jackass writer is going to "make his mark" and flips everything up and pisses off die hard fans, but that's ok, because every few decades we get a damn good writer that can pick up the pieces, un-write the last decade and move the story forward in a natural way, and allow Hasbro to sell us the same Cap packaged ten different ways.

Um, Kate Bishop has had some amazing stories as Hawkeye, and has been extremely popular. Like more so popular than Clint ever was even with his appearance in the Avengers movie. So much that she may be appearing in the MCU.

Personally, I like the aspect that the Marvel universe is growing and aging now. Instead of retrofitting origins every 10-20 years to be updated, now they can actually have the Marvel universe expand and the mantles carry on. Things that don't adapt with the times and evolve, die off. Sales slump. People get bored with it. These changes have turned what were titles that were starting to slump back into titles that people read regularly and are bringing in new audiences that may have never touched the comics before. A frozen universe that never changes is a boring read. A soap opera universe though where anything goes and is ever changing and growing brings in curious readers. Now how good the stories are and how well it's written, that's what keeps them. If they lose 10 die hards, but gain 100 new readers that stay with the title, I think that trade off is entirely fine with them. So far, that's what's happening. The changes are bringing in readers and keeping them. New Thor's numbers have consistently stayed above old Thor's numbers. Hawkeye that features both Kate Bishop and Clint Barton has been selling better than Hawkeye ever has in the past. The word of mouth on Hawkeye in particular has been nonstop praise too.

Do you mean Jean Paul Valley from Knightfall in the 90s or the more recent Batman inc thing?

Also, if they approach the Valhalla aspect of Jane Foster, and dive into her journey to becoming another hero from her experiences as Thor, it won't be women in fridge syndrome. It'll actually be about her character development and journey into a new hero identity and maybe even a force that outmatches Thor, like how Odin's own wife actually outmatches him. As long as it's not solely to further his character but is about furthering hers, it's not 'women in fridge' syndrome. Marvel's never been afraid of courting controversy for the sake of a good story. And there are some developments in that path that could prove insightful and interesting.

But maybe that's me. I like the aspect that in the future you can look back at comics and say "this is where it started, and this is where we are now" and have them be two completely different points because of character growth and story twists and turns. When characters never change and stay the same, you have no real growth. You have point A back to point A again because of a fear of change. What they need is point A to point B to point C all the way to the end of the alphabet to the point you have to start doubling up letters to continue going.

I look forward to seeing where Marvel takes us next, and along with the ride, we're getting new characters, new designs, and all sorts of potential for cool new figures that let kids play as a hero that they can imagine themselves in the shoes of. Why can't a black kid want to be spider-man or Captain America? Why do they have to be relegated to only certain characters and told "no, these are only for you? Those others are for white kids." Even James Rhodes was Ironman for a time. Why can't a woman with cancer be Thor? Miss America started out back in the 30s as a blonde white woman, and now she's a Latina that's even more known and loved than the original was(Miss America Chavez and another figure that needs to be made).

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I only know what I read in the Marvel encyclopedia, and the back of the Comic modern War Machine from the IM2 line. from what I understand, he got blown up and only his brain, and part of his face were salvageable, and he gets all robo coped into a war machine suit, that also has machine Mans powers of absorbing and melding with tec. but the last I saw he was running a group of government run sentinels.

That's since changed. Rhodes got his body back. Faked his death, became Ironman again for a bit. Then went on to become the new Iron Patriot. And now I'm not sure where he's at, but they also introduced more of his family and have left some interesting story developments open with them for exploration later. Like his niece that kept tinkering with the Iron patriot suit that I really hope they come back to and let her develop into her own Iron hero identity.

[Zend]

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Originally Posted by Zend

Marvel has a history of taking cancer stories very seriously. It's one of the few things that if a character gets it, they tend to not survive. Even the original Captain Marvel couldn't beat it. Though that does bring up an interesting point about diversity. It is actually really cool for kids and even adults that have cancer to read about a hero like Thor and what she does even with cancer. Yeah, it is called 'women in refridgerators' as named after Alex in Green Lantern. And it is a valid point about treatment of female characters.

That's why I think they may keep the hammer away from thor even after if she dies from it. But the valhalla aspect does seem like something they'd want to explore.

It's comic books. No one stays dead except uncle Ben and Bruce Wayne's parents.

Spider-woman has had the same costume since her debut years ago. She needed a new costume. The fact that it's actually designed to fit with her title's more spy-like stories and have form to function is actually a really nice touch. Spider-man has gone through several costumes since his debut, and you're complaining that Jessica Drew finally got one?

And yeah, the internet did have an uproar about how Spider-woman was depicted on that cover. With good reason too. That was some Liefeld level art perspective stuff going on in it.

Speaking of which, we need Spider-woman's new costume as a figure, Spider-Gwen, and Silk.

My gripe isn't with them changing her costume period, it's the costume they gave her and WHY they gave it to her. Spider-Man gets new costumes a lot, but they all retain the same basic design or theme as his original costume and they usually have a logical explanation behind them. Then he reverts to his iconic suit. They changed hers conveniently right after the whole Manara fiasco, and the design of it doesn't even make sense with the crap reason they gave us. If she wants to keep her identity a secret why does she wear the leather jacket as street clothes? Her new costume is literally just the jacket she zips up to reveal the spider logo, and the sunglasses that turn into a mask barely covers her face. Do people not recognize her jacket when they see her on the street? How about her face, of which only like 20% is hidden? It's just stupid, and almost as bad as the legendary "This pair of glasses and a collared shirt that doesn't hide how ripped I am makes me look completely different from Superman!" disguise.

It just reeked of PC face saving bullshit. That's why I think they copped out with the new Thor, and I think they'll come up with come cheap way to keep her alive - to avoid controversy. They're going to play way too safe, and I feel like the story will ultimately suffer for it. it also seems like she's here to stay given that they've announced her to be a main Avenger on the post Secret Wars team. I could end up being entirely wrong too, we'll see.

It would be cool to see Jane Foster turn into her own heroine of some sort without Mjolnir when all is said and done, and killing her temporarily in order to set the stage is a possiblity, but they're going to have to spoil their own story by making a press release to say "she's not actually dead, we swear!" to prevent the inevitably huge backlash.

As for how Thor became unworthy I wonder if it was something Thor in specific did, or since Odin can no longer wield Mjolnir either, The Watcher knew something about the enchantment on it.

Anyways, we do need figures of New Thor, Sam Wilson as Captain America, Gwen Stacey as Spider-Girl, and Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel since they're going to be on the new Avengers team. Unfortunately they;ll have gimped articulation if we end up getting them.

[samsson37]

I think what pisses people off is not so much the change but the shock value of the change..if its natural progression then fine... Cap/Falcon...ok I guess...Miles Spidey it works cause it wasn't shoved down our throat...same with Ms Marvel..Fem/Thor..total force...I love Kate, but why did she need to be called Hawkeye...Dont get me started on Iceman being gay...if the writer took care with this and other changes people wouldn't go so ape shit and it wouldn't seem like a publicity stunt