[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

instead it comes off as pathetic that they just borrow a main stays name to further the "diversity" I'm sure whatever university you attend has told you that everything in the world is controlled by the "evil straight white man" but trust me no one's out to get you, we're all cool here, and just like you precious opinion, mine counts too, so next time you want to come at me like I'm anything other than a fan of a fantastic property that has been as of late, shit on by sloppy political correct writing by so called "progressive" ass clowns that aren't worthy to script Ziggy, remember I've been reading Marvel comics since before your mama was letting you choose what color pampers to put on. Trust me we're all being dealt a serious dis service by the current story telling, it will go down in history as a bigger f up than the clone wars.

Again, nobody is shoving anything down anyone's throat here. That pampers remark isn't cool Kylactus. Trust me, there are plenty of people "out to get you." Nobody on these threads but intolerance is a dangerous thing, look no further than the Holocaust, the Cambodian genocide, or what is happening in Syria today. I'm lucky to live in the U.S. and love it.

I've read Marvel and DC since I was in grade school, I actually like a lot of the stuff marvel is doing now if you have given up reading marvel I think secret wars is a great place to jump back on. I'm not sure if I should go the digital route or keep my paper comics/ TPBs.

Also did anyone here see this cover? I love how the artist based it off of the first MU female buck:

[K Dubious]

They also used actual accessories too, I mean the only thing unique to that Moonstar would be the Head and Crown....too easy lets give them worse/less for more, Perfect!

[K Dubious]

X GON GIVE IT TO YA!

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Again, nobody is shoving anything down anyone's throat here. That pampers remark isn't cool Kylactus. Trust me, there are plenty of people "out to get you." Nobody on these threads but intolerance is a dangerous thing, look no further than the Holocaust, the Cambodian genocide, or what is happening in Syria today. I'm lucky to live in the U.S. and love it.

I've read Marvel and DC since I was in grade school, I actually like a lot of the stuff marvel is doing now if you have given up reading marvel I think secret wars is a great place to jump back on. I'm not sure if I should go the digital route or keep my paper comics/ TPBs.

I'm an old Marvel fan too, and I love the changes and natural character growth. Many of these storylines have been years in the making, some even over a decade.

X-23 to Wolverine has been hinted at since Claremont first used her in Uncanny X-Men right after NYX. Her entire character basis is the Wolverine trope but inverted. So it's Kimura as sabretooth and Laura as wolverine. That's always been the dynamic, now it's the dynamic in title name too. That was also hinted at right after the AvX event anyway. In the X-Men anniversary story when the future X-Men came back, Jubilee is using Wolverine's name. Which shows in the future it has become a mantle. X-23 taking over the name is the natural extension of that, and sets the stage for questions about how long her tenure will be before Jubilee gets the mantle or if that future was entirely re-written.

The new Thor is epic, and has had groundwork down for it since the 90s, possibly the 80s. Factoring in the Thor corps, and it's a natural story evolution from previous history. "Thor" has been a mantle since Beta Ray Bill. So if an alien horse can be Thor, why can't a woman? Don't forget about Dargo Ktor either. Dargo was Thor and that was decades ago. With continuity, this is actually a genius move because it places the new Thor as someone that could go to Valhalla where before they might not have, which adds more future story potential too. (Which is why it's not Sif or Valkyrie. Though they may get their own titles later, especially if Sif keeps picking up popularity like she has been thanks to the movies.)

New Cap. No one complained about Bucky anywhere near as much as Sam Wilson, and while Bucky is Rogers' legacy in many ways, so is Sam Wilson. Both have been partners for about an equal length of time and had Steve's personal stamp of approval. Though I would like to see Romanoff take on the mantle at some point in the future(that'd be interesting because it works on multiple story character internal conflict levels). Sharon Carter is likely the next candidate for the same reason Sam Wilson and Bucky were.

New Hulk makes sense. That's a character that premiered in Banner's title, and is essentially a modern day Rick Jones. Could be interesting especially with the established character personality he has.

New Spider-man is also pretty awesome. It gives Marvel what they want with a teen spidey, let's kids still have that title, and gives the older fans the continuing saga of an older peter parker. That's win win all around. Besides, the entire intent behind spider-man has always been that it could be anyone under the mask. Sam Raimi even made a point of that in the first spider-man movie when people argue over who he could be. Same to some animated appearances that did the same, among other comic stories too. It's also updating the original motif of the character conflict. Where before it was a bullied powerless nerd turned superhero, now it's more in line to modern standards and relatable because of the more modernized dynamics and universalities it uses to keep up with the times. The nerd v jock bullying paradigm has died down from what it was to the point it's not as relevant anymore in the modern world for stories that are geared to draw in modern youth.

Ms. Marvel makes sense in the modern world and with how it built up. That's literally the best candidate for that mantle and it's not like Carol kept the mantle intact anyway. She went by Warbird, Binary, and more. She's been trying to get rid of that name for awhile and the new character using it fits really well for it as well as has a pretty devoted readership now. Probably helps that her comic is good.

Captain Marvel makes sense. I mean that's literally how Carol got her powers. Though the downgrade in rank is a little confusing because that was one of the fun things about her interactions with Captain America. That her military rank was above his.

Kate Bishop Hawkeye is outright more fun than Clint. Plus I love the fact she's not giving up the name and even Captain America gave her the name during a time while Clint was MIA, and he gave up the name himself later to her when he was going by Ronin(was a great story to read too!). Kate, America Chavez, Nico, and X-23 though are my top faves out of Marvel so I might be biased.

This also means more figures. A larger library of characters and designs to draw from for toys, games, tv, movies, and animation. Better marketing too. Carol's name change in particular makes her movie much easier to market now too.

If good stories come out of it, and Marvel makes money off of it to keep making good stories, then there shouldn't be a problem. These shifts happen. Over with DC Alan Scott was green lantern, then Hal, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Kyle Rayner. Batman has changed his mantle a few times whether it's Dick Grayson, Jean Paul Valley, or even Alfred.

Before you crap on it, read it. If you're going to crap on it, at least have knowledge of the stories and back up your complaints with the work itself. Not hyperbole that's so far off base it's laughable.

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

X GON GIVE IT TO YA!

Goals.

[jedirulz123]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Besides, the entire intent behind spider-man has always been that it could be anyone under the mask. Sam Raimi even made a point of that in the first spider-man movie when people argue over who he could be. Same to some animated appearances that did the same, among other comic stories too.

I found it funny how in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, when Parker was Universe hopping, he comes across Miles Morales, who takes off his mask to show a black/Latino boy, and Peter's just so shocked. "But you're so...young." he says, and I was like no no, we all know what you wanted to say but Disney characters just can't X'D

[Augustus_Cole]

heh-heh@

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

X GON GIVE IT TO YA!

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

I found it funny how in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, when Parker was Universe hopping, he comes across Miles Morales, who takes off his mask to show a black/Latino boy, and Peter's just so shocked. "But you're so...young." he says, and I was like no no, we all know what you wanted to say but Disney characters just can't X'D

That was Wacker mocking those responses. One of the few bits of good trolling he's ever done.

[Ninjinister]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Also did anyone here see this cover? I love how the artist based it off of the first MU female buck:

I wish they'd quit teasing us with these figures-that-will-never-be

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

I found it funny how in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon, when Parker was Universe hopping, he comes across Miles Morales, who takes off his mask to show a black/Latino boy, and Peter's just so shocked. "But you're so...young." he says, and I was like no no, we all know what you wanted to say but Disney characters just can't X'D

I think it was handled better in the comic
http://i.imgur.com/ewmXJ6T.jpg

[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Before you crap on it, read it. If you're going to crap on it, at least have knowledge of the stories and back up your complaints with the work itself. Not hyperbole that's so far off base it's laughable.



Goals.

I could not agree more snowflakian! Excellent and on point! I think a lot of the complaints are coming from those who don't even read the current comics.
I also wonder if some of the changes are so that they can keep the alternate/older versions. This way they can keep OML Clint Hawkeye and Kate bishop Hawkeye, old man Logan and x-23 as wolverine, and cho as hulk and banner as maestro. I also liked odenson running around with jarnborn and the Thorr unworthy hammer and foster with mjolnir.
Miles morales IS NOT the same spiderman. Peter Parker dies in the ultimate universe and miles takes up the mantle. Does it really make sense to have a young and old Parker in the same universe? Then they would have had to do the DC thing with an earth 1 and 2 and kill off the old one. Some of these changes means we get different stories and versions of the same character in the toy line.
As Julius Schwartz would say (God rest his soul) "every 10 years or so the comic book universe needs an enema." After 75+ years I'm not sure Marvel has ever really had one.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

X GON GIVE IT TO YA!

Awesome shot! Also, I too have been listening to that song a lot after the Deadpool trailer. It just gets me so pumped xD

I see you Marvin...

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Originally Posted by LapuLapu

Epic pic! Where's the Phoenix accessory from?

[kylactus]

The problem with destroying the multiverse in SW is the law of diminishing return. in the 30's 40's and 50's the villains were bank robbers and gangsters, then they upped the anti with super villains that wanted to rob banks and labs then, take over a city, then a country, then the world, that lead to cosmic threats like Galactus who wanted to eat our world, then Thanos who wanted to destroy the universe! now to draw a crowd you have to collapse the multiverse! at that point the surviving heroes should be literally fearless. you just survived an insane collapse of reality and the destruction and reconstitution of everything! it makes it a bit harder to care if a bank is being robbed.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Also did anyone here see this cover? I love how the artist based it off of the first MU female buck:

Whoah! That's awesome! Did the rest of the covers from this series that have those figure pictures use MU bucks! If so, Hasbro should get to work xD

[redfox]

Went to the lcs yesterday and saw this comic variant. While it looks kinda fake, it is a 100% real variant cover. Really cool seeing it in person.

[LapuLapu]

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Originally Posted by Universe

Great shot, LapuLapu!

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Frickin' wicked.

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Originally Posted by redfox

Love that Dark Phoenix pic, LapuLapu! So disappointed that we haven't got a green Phoenix, though.

Thanks , Im glad you guys like it!!

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

Awesome shot! Also, I too have been listening to that song a lot after the Deadpool trailer. It just gets me so pumped xD

I see you Marvin...



Epic pic! Where's the Phoenix accessory from?

Marvel select Phoenix/Jean Grey.

[Kernel]

^ that IS a great pic, great reuse of that select Phoenix acessory. I still want that select watcher but the rerelease got canceled.

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

I wish they'd quit teasing us with these figures-that-will-never-be

I know right! Just need that skurge now.

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Originally Posted by redfox

Went to the lcs yesterday and saw this comic variant. While it looks kinda fake, it is a 100% real variant cover. Really cool seeing it in person.

Awesome!

[UrsaMagnus]

With huge thanks to K-Dub, the Master of Time is now able to lounge in relaxation, unlike the rest of the rabble who remain forced to stand...

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by UrsaMagnus

With huge thanks to K-Dub, the Master of Time is now able to lounge in relaxation, unlike the rest of the rabble who remain forced to stand...

Awesome!

[UrsaMagnus]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Also did anyone here see this cover? I love how the artist based it off of the first MU female buck:

This was one of my favorite covers in a long time. I'm currently (as we speak) in the process of using this as inspiration for my own Moonstar custom. Just finished painting the hair and once that dries all I'll need to do is pop the head onto the body, and wait until Monday to rob my work Hawkeye of his bow and arrows.

[Kernel]

^ did you use shadowcat for the body? I'd love to see that when you are done and/or WIP pics.

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Originally Posted by kylactus

The problem with destroying the multiverse in SW is the law of diminishing return. in the 30's 40's and 50's the villains were bank robbers and gangsters, then they upped the anti with super villains that wanted to rob banks and labs then, take over a city, then a country, then the world, that lead to cosmic threats like Galactus who wanted to eat our world, then Thanos who wanted to destroy the universe! now to draw a crowd you have to collapse the multiverse! at that point the surviving heroes should be literally fearless. you just survived an insane collapse of reality and the destruction and reconstitution of everything! it makes it a bit harder to care if a bank is being robbed.

I'm not sure about that. In captain Americas first appearance (1941) he is literally punching hitler (nazi fascist dictator hellbent on world domination and making a "master race") right in the mouth.

I saw a poster at ross the other day for journey into mystery #83, thors first appearance where he is fighting those Korg rock creatures. I may army build Korg for that reason.

[UrsaMagnus]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

^ did you use shadowcat for the body? I'd love to see that when you are done and/or WIP pics.

I did not. I used the Jean Grey First Class body with an extra Valkyrie head. Granted, it's not perfect but it'll serve as a placeholder until/if we were to ever get an official one. And as I said, I'll be giving her 5-POA Hawkeye's bow and an extra (repainted) quiver Monday.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by UrsaMagnus

I did not. I used the Jean Grey First Class body with an extra Valkyrie head. Granted, it's not perfect but it'll serve as a placeholder until/if we were to ever get an official one. And as I said, I'll be giving her 5-POA Hawkeye's bow and an extra (repainted) quiver Monday.

That's freaking awesome! You should find out the name of the artist who made the cover and see if he/she has a Twitter or some other form of social media. And if so, show the artist this custom.

[Kamatayan]

I just had a cool idea. What if Hasbro made an SDCC exclusive that was basically one of the variant covers with the figures on them except the figures were actually there. That would be pretty cool.

[mutantkind]

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Originally Posted by UrsaMagnus

I was wondering where that cape was from.

Here's a solo shot of Magneto. I'm probably going to change the torso because i think he's too short but the cape is a great mod by itself.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

I just had a cool idea. What if Hasbro made an SDCC exclusive that was basically one of the variant covers with the figures on them except the figures were actually there. That would be pretty cool.

That'd be awesome! Heck, from how great that custom looks, I almost want to make one! I've got the extra hawkeye gear, but not the extra valkyrie head tho.

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Originally Posted by kylactus

The problem with destroying the multiverse in SW is the law of diminishing return. in the 30's 40's and 50's the villains were bank robbers and gangsters, then they upped the anti with super villains that wanted to rob banks and labs then, take over a city, then a country, then the world, that lead to cosmic threats like Galactus who wanted to eat our world, then Thanos who wanted to destroy the universe! now to draw a crowd you have to collapse the multiverse! at that point the surviving heroes should be literally fearless. you just survived an insane collapse of reality and the destruction and reconstitution of everything! it makes it a bit harder to care if a bank is being robbed.

Yet DC is doing fine and they've done that same thing since their first major crossover event. Following that, they've extinguished the sun, erased time itself, destroyed the multiverse, rebuilt the multiverse, destroyed the multiverse, rebuilt the multiverse, and much more. So I don't think Marvel has anything to worry about so long as the writers keep doing a decent job. Besides, ever since the Beyonder was introduced, something like this was needed to fully define that character and his world. You could say this has been a subtle build up with cosmic cubes and the Beyonder since the first secret wars, even though it wasn't on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Kernel

I could not agree more snowflakian! Excellent and on point! I think a lot of the complaints are coming from those who don't even read the current comics.
I also wonder if some of the changes are so that they can keep the alternate/older versions. This way they can keep OML Clint Hawkeye and Kate bishop Hawkeye, old man Logan and x-23 as wolverine, and cho as hulk and banner as maestro. I also liked odenson running around with jarnborn and the Thorr unworthy hammer and foster with mjolnir.
Miles morales IS NOT the same spiderman. Peter Parker dies in the ultimate universe and miles takes up the mantle. Does it really make sense to have a young and old Parker in the same universe? Then they would have had to do the DC thing with an earth 1 and 2 and kill off the old one. Some of these changes means we get different stories and versions of the same character in the toy line.
As Julius Schwartz would say (God rest his soul) "every 10 years or so the comic book universe needs an enema." After 75+ years I'm not sure Marvel has ever really had one.

Yup! Exposure like this using already established names means retailers ask for the new character when they ask for the name. This keeps retailers happy by having Captain America, Wolverine, Spider-man, Thor, and Hulk, and also allows more diverse character representation to reach shelves. It also means some awesome content for future games when they add in the extra costumes and character stuff. With Cap alone, you can have 3 characters that alter the play style tons. Cap with his shield and fisticuffs, Bucky with his arsenal, and now Falcon with flight. Thor now allows for a diverse range of character swaps too from Dargo Ktor, to Beta Ray, to now even the new one. Heck, and there's also the 2099 one. Hulk is the same. Now besides all the banner hulks, we have Cho, Jones, and the others.

And that's a perfect way to say it about the industry. Though yeah, probably 15 years down the line, someone else will come up with some other major event idea that'll offset secret wars a bit to set up a new dynamic, it also depends on sales for how that new dynamic will take shape. Right now sales are strong. With strong sales, don't expect changes back anytime soon unless it goes with the story needed to be told.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by mutantkind

Here's a solo shot of Magneto. I'm probably going to change the torso because i think he's too short but the cape is a great mod by itself.

That Magneto is freaking magnificent!