[kylactus]

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Originally Posted by Madame Warlock

you know i just realised what's kind of shady. we've all assumed the shift away from x-men was largely influenced by marvel's lack of rights, but there's also the element that x-men has traditionally done better with minorities. since Dave Vonner left we've seen little in the way of X-men.

probably a coincidence, but I get the feeling Vonner would have pushed for x-men more than the current crowd. at the very least we'd have gotten a less shitty Bishop figure.

I was thinking the same thing the other day, the x-men were created as an aligory for minoeiries during the civil rights movement. Professor x being MLK, and magneto Malcom x, but now, with all the devicive.crap going on today that reads just like a 90's x men comic the X men get buryied in toys, and all other media. Killing the original wolverine off was, I believe the end of the x-men, I likes the original wolverine, and othe version is just not the same. It's the same reason I don't bother following DC for long periods of time, lack of continuity if the whole story reboots every year or two then nothing really matters so I don't get attached to the characters in a reboot. I remembering hearing on the world news that marvel was killing Peter Parker off perminatly! Then they slain in there ultimate imprint. I was relieved because he wasn't the real Pete. And this mashing up of the universes and time lines is just insane, it ruins all previous continuity for old readers, and prevents writers from telling large stories that don't interact in separate universes.

[Psycho Pirate]

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Originally Posted by ArsGratiaArtis

The question then is why one feels the need to attempt to degrade other collectors. I don't agree with the Happy Meal comparison, but it's a criticism of the product. If the "doll" appellation is is meant to be emasculating to the collectors of other scales, it's crossing the line from criticism of a product to attacking other people. Why you feel emasculation is a good way to degrade others is problematic itself when you're using normative Western perceptions of masculinity as a metric, since toy collecting in any form is generally seen as an unmasculine activity. This is ignoring the fact that many of these other collectors aren't even men, so emasculation becomes a bit of a moot point. Why the need to attack other collectors at all, even with a flawed and passive aggressive method?

That is the question only if YOU make it the question. The original issue was Dwight Stall using insulting phrases like "and now for the real collectors..." to introduce 6" figure previews. Or did I miss your condemnation of Dwight's practice?

I use "dolls" as a pejorative towards the product, not the consumers, just as you describe for the term "happy meal." And I recognize that it connotes emasculation because the term "action figure" was coined for boys where "doll" was already used for girls; therefore, by definition, "dolls" is a term that emasculates.

I can agree with everything you originally said without condoning the use of the word "dolls" as a pejorative towards people.

But thanks for your response - it really helps drive home the fact that Dwight Stall is mismamaging one of his brands by using similar language.

[kylactus]

The distinction in my mind between dolls and action figures is clothing, and durability, you would play with an action figure outside in the tub and in the sand box, a doll is more for poseing, dressing up, display, and light play. I consider most Neca products dolls. I don't find the term denigrating at all, Merely a distinction between sub classes of the same vein of collecting. I have dolls, action figures, toys, collectibles, even a puppet. This could be a good time to coin a new term for shitty happy meal quality garbage that's marketed as it were a quality product. I'm submitting, fig- shit.

[ArsGratiaArtis]

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Originally Posted by Psycho Pirate

That is the question only if YOU make it the question. The original issue was Dwight Stall using insulting phrases like "and now for the real collectors..." to introduce 6" figure previews. Or did I miss your condemnation of Dwight's practice?

I use "dolls" as a pejorative towards the product, not the consumers, just as you describe for the term "happy meal." And I recognize that it connotes emasculation because the term "action figure" was coined for boys where "doll" was already used for girls; therefore, by definition, "dolls" is a term that emasculates.

I can agree with everything you originally said without condoning the use of the word "dolls" as a pejorative towards people.

But thanks for your response - it really helps drive home the fact that Dwight Stall is mismamaging one of his brands by using similar language.

I did miss the "real collectors" comment, and no I don't condone that. I don't condone any type of language that attempts to distinguish a "true" fan, because if you like something you like something, you collect something you collect something. The degree to which you do either doesn't lessen the "realness" of your collecting or invalidate it. If he'd simply said 6" are for the collectors, 4" are for casual buyers and children I'd be more ok with that because those are their target goals. The "real" modifier does change it.

I'm still confused as to the pejorative value of "doll" toward the product though. Aside from the "for girls" connotation and emasculation of the presumed male buyer, what negative connotation does "doll" have toward the product's quality like "happy meal's" implied cheapness?

[Joe Moore]

I will not accept insults or personal attacks on the forums. If you cannot discuss things in a civil manner, I will begin removing people from the discussion and/or close the thread. Follow the rules and that won't happen.

[ArsGratiaArtis]

Deleted due to swift and appropriate moderation. Thanks, Joe.

[3233rafael]

[Universe]

Those silver glasses make all the difference. I like that color scheme and skully

[UrsaMagnus]

I've always wished that figure came with a yellow shirt.

[UrsaMagnus]

Ignore this, check the post below mine. That Black Panther looks fantastic, and I'm likely to replace the existing version on my Avenger shelf with this guy.
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[theArchivist]

Here are the TRU 2 packs

The Black Panther set is awesome.

[Universe]

Lol whatever...this no torso articulation sickens me. Cap/iron man easy pass, both reissues. BP and Carter only thing worth picking up and only have to deal with the BP as the dud. Was it too hard to retool the BP we just got in this wave?

[Pilkster]

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Originally Posted by theArchivist

Here are the TRU 2 packs

The Black Panther set is awesome.

lol you beat me to it. i like them all. would have prefered agent carter in a all white costume but what can ya do

[LordMudd]

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Originally Posted by Pilkster

lol you beat me to it. i like them all. would have prefered agent carter in a all white costume but what can ya do

Repaint it yourself.


CCC.

[kylactus]

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Originally Posted by 3233rafael

Is that a different one!!!!!????!!! Where? How? Do you have dirt on someone at hasbro?

[Universe]

I just called consumer care for Hasbro to make a few comments and complaints about the direction of our line. The rep took notes and even repeated them all back to me to send to thier team. My request was simple; we as consumers would like the same care and progression as the 6" line and mentioned Dwight's comments about the 4" line. We want the articulation back. We want more product and to actually see them distributed. She took all my concerns seriously and like I said, repeated to make sure my voice was heard.

I encourage anyone to join the chorus to let our concerns be heard. Guys we're being fed breadcrumbs from the Legends table, it's time we let them know how we feel.
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[3233rafael]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

Is that a different one!!!!!????!!! Where? How? Do you have dirt on someone at hasbro?

Lol, no it's the same one. He brought the peace back to this thread...lol

[Il Cattivo]

is that mcu black panther?


why did they have to pack that ironman in with a cap figure I already have?? ugh!

[kylactus]

Dude, you tattled to dwights mom! That's awesome. Do they have a constomer email? We should stuff it with pics from our collections.

[Foreddyn]

Thank you for the pics! I got tired of looking through walls of text HATE. I stooped trying to read them. This is an Appreciation thread after all.

[kylactus]

That is the dude that walks into a room and shuts everyone up.

[ukmu]

Good to see.....

Are there loose pics of THAT version of Luke floating around? I don't think I've ever seen one. Surely there are some loose figures floating around in some kids toy box near Hasbro.

I would love to see some if anyone knows of any.... Pretty sure Raf isn't ripping into his anytime soon!

[kylactus]

There is a Chinese hard copy prototype on eBay. It's been there for years.

[UrsaMagnus]

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

Repaint it yourself.


CCC.

I freely admit that one of the first things I considered after seeing that pic was taking a gold sharpie to some of the costume details like the boot soles, belt, wristbands, claws, and necklace to get a Christopher Priest-like figure.

[Oscarv]

Nice, when/where are these going to show up?

Edit; TRU of course. Let the hunt begin