[fosterlager]

Also the lack of online preorders for future waves fuels the speculation. Not that I believe the line is ending.

[Snailbot]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionheart

People keep saying this - what do they know?

Nothing, they're just being reactionary and dramamtic. It would suck if this line ended, all fans would agree, but nothing has been announced or even hinted at. Legends took a backseat to MU before and now it seems like MU is taking a backseat to Legends. There are quite a few announced MU figures with no release date set. They'll come.

[Iceman]

It's the folly of prediction. If the line gets canceled in six months these people will come out of the wood work and say "see, I told you" or "I knew it all along and no one wanted to listen". People like to make big predictions because they can cash in later if it comes true but then they are wrong 20 times in a row no one will remember. I can claim to have insider knowledge about Hasbro or Apple or whatever and then just make some educated guesses. If what I say happens I get to act all smug but even if it doesn't there are a dozen things I could blame.

[mikefavata]

Single Carded
Rhino
Elektra
Mysterio
Bearded Thor (Cancelled?)
Death's Head (Cancelled?)
Black Knight (Cancelled?)

Comic Packs
Moon Knight & Ant-Man

Team Packs
Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Colossus & Emma Frost)

Is there anything else OFFICIALLY announced that isn't out yet?

If there isn't a large amount of announcements at ToyFair... then there is reason to worry.

1 comic pack, 1 team pack and a wave's worth of figures. There's no more excuse of "there's so much coming out that they don't need to announce anything" excuses. It's ToyFair or DIE for MU.

[flipwilson]

I have a few visions. I didnt buy buy him because I wanted to have a bunch, I got him for friends who didn't have him but ended up finding him at retail and I was too lazy to return him. I sold 2 of the 5 I have for 10 bucks. The rest have been sitting around. I don't want to scalp, I just want to use him to get what I want now.

[mikefavata]

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipwilson

I have a few visions. I didnt buy buy him because I wanted to have a bunch, I got him for friends who didn't have him but ended up finding him at retail and I was too lazy to return him. I sold 2 of the 5 I have for 10 bucks. The rest have been sitting around. I don't want to scalp, I just want to use him to get what I want now.

Sell him for as much $$$ as possible and then buy what you want.

Don't listen to any butthurt, if you sell something for market value AFTER it's been released... that's perfectly fine and you are free to do so without any regret.

Amazing Fantasy #15 has a $.15 cover price. Would selling it for market value make you a scalper? LOL no.

Scalping is buying up stuff at retail and immediately raising the price.

[uberlad]

Symbiote--thanks, I forgot about the original wave order--still, I've never seen a wave that didn't show up on BBTS soon after hitting retail. It just speaks to MU's distribution problems if all of these figures are made and just waiting for release somewhere, and somehow a few found their way out to Walmarts before they were supposed to. China leaks I can see--but a national chain like Walmart? Weird.

As far as the line's future goes--I have nothing but well wishes for it to continue (especially as a contrast to the more mass-produced & aimed at kiddos lines), but it's been a great run. Not many toylines get a 4 year chance.

I did kind of buy the kool aid at the last toyfair with the idea that Vonner revealed so much of what was to come that they didn't have much new to show. Like Mike pointed out--we're almost there with all of the previous Vonner reveals at this point--so if nothing new shows up this year, it'll be a tough pill to swallow and a bad sign.

I'm optimistic and mildly artistic, so even if the line does end, MU will live on in my house for quite a while through cherry picking from other toy lines (even the kid lines) and making customs.

[mikefavata]

And just to keep my opinion of the line's future from being entirely doom & gloom...

there's still some pretty cool RUMORED figures that haven't been seen or even announced.

Variants
Angel (Red - Champions)
Beast (Secret Avengers)
Nova (Classic?)

New Figures
A-Bomb & Abomination (Part of planned Hulk themed wave)
Sasquatch & Wendigo (Also part of planned Hulk themed wave?)
Vance Astro

Could never happen (because RUMORS) but it's something to think about.

[Lionheart]

Quote:

Single Carded
Rhino
Elektra
Mysterio
Bearded Thor (Cancelled?)
Death's Head (Cancelled?)
Black Knight (Cancelled?)

Comic Packs
Moon Knight & Ant-Man

Team Packs
Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Colossus & Emma Frost)

Quote:

Variants
Angel (Red - Champions)
Beast (Secret Avengers)
Nova (Classic?)

New Figures
A-Bomb & Abomination (Part of planned Hulk themed wave)
Sasquatch & Wendigo (Also part of planned Hulk themed wave?)
Vance Astro

Sign me up! I want all these and more! MOAR! There are still soooo many great Marvel characters that have yet to be made.

I would really love to see some kind of sales report on MU in terms of costs / returns.

[Snowflakian]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikefavata

Single Carded
Rhino
Elektra
Mysterio
Bearded Thor (Cancelled?)
Death's Head (Cancelled?)
Black Knight (Cancelled?)

Comic Packs
Moon Knight & Ant-Man

Team Packs
Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Colossus & Emma Frost)

Is there anything else OFFICIALLY announced that isn't out yet?

If there isn't a large amount of announcements at ToyFair... then there is reason to worry.

1 comic pack, 1 team pack and a wave's worth of figures. There's no more excuse of "there's so much coming out that they don't need to announce anything" excuses. It's ToyFair or DIE for MU.

More alpha flight was discussed like Sasquatch from Beast. A Nova retool or repaint, and a few other odds and ends have been off handedly mentioned. Oh and that Darkhawk "Talon" half repaint used in dios. Purple man repaint (hasbro dio). You also have to consider Toy Fair is for retailers too. So they need to wow the retailers this go round to bolster shelf space again. There's also Fing Fang Foom. Though that's probably being pushed back for IM3 if they are still using him in that like Favreu mentioned wayyyyyyyyy back during IM1.

So we've got at least 2-3 more waves comng not counting anything comic series from other lines can be redone or re-used mold-wise. Like A-Bomb from bootless Ben grimm/Thing figure, Red She-Hulk and Savage She-hulk from sensational she-hulk. Force Works Scarlet witch, Finesse, shield agents(new live tv show, so that'd be pretty damn smart too for comic counterparts of Dugan, Coulson, Bridge, and others), or white Vision with 80s Ironman and US Agent(mimicing the classic avengers game, but everyone should already have a normal captain america), or multiple man in a coat, or even Modern Quasar from Nova's mold, and more. So it's not that the molds aren't there. It's just official announcements we're waiting on really. There are still tons of figures they can do from what they already have molds of. Including business suit figures from Xavier's mold. Like Jarvis, Stark, Osborn, Purpleman, etc. Plus if desperate, merging GI Joe heads into MU for some Shield agents like they did Maria Hill on BW's body.
Pretty much they have perfected several male base body types as well as a handful of female ones that's a large roster of parts to tap for creation with minor addon pieces now besides the heads. It could also be possible that Disney is just shoring up all outside connections to regulate information releases, or they are experimenting with customer surprise with the line to reinstill that feeling of going to the store and finding new characters(this thought actually intrigues me though it's just cruel).


*edit* Awesome! Mike got the others I missed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikefavata

And just to keep my opinion of the line's future from being entirely doom & gloom...

there's still some pretty cool RUMORED figures that haven't been seen or even announced.

Variants
Angel (Red - Champions)
Beast (Secret Avengers)
Nova (Classic?)

New Figures
A-Bomb & Abomination (Part of planned Hulk themed wave)
Sasquatch & Wendigo (Also part of planned Hulk themed wave?)
Vance Astro

Could never happen (because RUMORS) but it's something to think about.

You also have to consider spacing too though for all the property movies coming. Not just that their lines may cause hiatus, but the perfect MU fodder for before them and refills after them. (Which if anything, the comic pack route really did pan out well for the Future Foundation sets right when amazing spider-man was in theaters, so more of that wouldn't be bad either if planned right. Like unmasked X-23 and Glasses down Jubilee during Days of Future Past or Uncanny X-Force archangel and uncanny X-Force Psylocke, or what have you for exclusives before or after the movies associated.)
Getting the X-Men pack with Emma out around Days of Future Past or the wolverine could be seen as prime marketing time. Like how west Coast avengers are being pushed out fast now in the tail end of avengers histeria but also near/before IM3(it does have war machine and Hawkeye). Vance Astro could be pushed back to a cosmic heavy wave around when GOTG comes out in theaters. And the list goes on and on. Cap 2, Thor 2, etc on who you could or should release when and how much time between you have to use on saturation. Though I'd hope a hulk family wave is nearing ready for spring/summer before his Agents of SMASH toon starts. The biggest thing right now seems to be either getting retailer interest buzzing again, or getting the stores stock faster. Some better case balancing would be nice too with it heavier on the new figures. I'm not sure how much case assortments are dictated by store demand or customer base demand though(those two don't always line up).

[Jackieboy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikefavata

Sell him for as much $$$ as possible and then buy what you want.

Don't listen to any butthurt, if you sell something for market value AFTER it's been released... that's perfectly fine and you are free to do so without any regret.

Amazing Fantasy #15 has a $.15 cover price. Would selling it for market value make you a scalper? LOL no.

Scalping is buying up stuff at retail and immediately raising the price.

i think you missed the point.
are people getting butthurt about others selling their items at retail???NO.you pointed it out in the very last line of the above comment,THATS what people are getting "Butthurt" about.if people want to sell figures for $100 or whatever,fine.Just dont come onto my BTS page looking to get the cheapest deal possible<<<ive had this happen several times,let me ask you,do you think a spiderman comic style lizard swapped for an IM2 mandarin is a fair trade?i do.obviously there are those here who dont.i was actually asked to put some money on top of one of these trades.considering people picked it up in the Black friday sale for less than 4 bucks.people said it was because it was a sought after figure,LOL.EVERY figure is sought after by one person or another here or on any other forum.

[Iceman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikefavata

Single Carded
Rhino
Elektra
Mysterio
Bearded Thor (Cancelled?)
Death's Head (Cancelled?)
Black Knight (Cancelled?)

Comic Packs
Moon Knight & Ant-Man

Team Packs
Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Colossus & Emma Frost)

Is there anything else OFFICIALLY announced that isn't out yet?

If there isn't a large amount of announcements at ToyFair... then there is reason to worry.

1 comic pack, 1 team pack and a wave's worth of figures. There's no more excuse of "there's so much coming out that they don't need to announce anything" excuses. It's ToyFair or DIE for MU.

Even the Ant-Man pack seems up in the air. As you've said there are other things rumored but we will see. Hasbro just doesn't seem to be previewing the MU stuff anymore, but looking at stuff like the West Coast Avengers pack gives me reason not to completely assume the worst. There are several cases recently of them releasing stuff with no press or previews beforehand. It's not a good sign but maybe that's just how they are doing things right now.

[Jackieboy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

It's the folly of prediction. If the line gets canceled in six months these people will come out of the wood work and say "see, I told you" or "I knew it all along and no one wanted to listen". People like to make big predictions because they can cash in later if it comes true but then they are wrong 20 times in a row no one will remember. I can claim to have insider knowledge about Hasbro or Apple or whatever and then just make some educated guesses. If what I say happens I get to act all smug but even if it doesn't there are a dozen things I could blame.

Or people could just not give a shit if the line does end,and say to themselves "well it was good while it lasted" but considering the options a 1 18" scale figure gives for customising.who needs to depend on hasbro?if ML and MU end tomorrow,who has the better options for creating their own marvel "wants"???i think the MU scene does,to be honest.

[Iceman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackieboy

Just dont come onto my BTS page looking to get the cheapest deal possible<<<ive had this happen several times,let me ask you,do you think a spiderman comic style lizard swapped for an IM2 mandarin is a fair trade?i do.obviously there are those here who dont.i was actually asked to put some money on top of one of these trades.considering people picked it up in the Black friday sale for less than 4 bucks.people said it was because it was a sought after figure,LOL.EVERY figure is sought after by one person or another here or on any other forum.

Yeah, that would be a very fair swap. I find very few people left here that will offer good trades, but there are still some.

There have been so many new people coming on here setting up BST pages and asking ebay prices or wanting a king's ransom for whatever they are offering. If something is available at retail in my area I always sell at cost (within a dollar or so usually). I get people on here now who have stuff in their area that I want and they want to charge 50%-100% mark up to "help me out". No thanks.

What's most disturbing is that they don't even have any feedback or history here. Most post a link to feedback on another site. How does that do anything to help keep them honest here? If they scam/scalp a few people here they are just ruining the rep of their newly created account here. No risk for them.

[Jackieboy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

Even the Ant-Man pack seems up in the air. As you've said there are other things rumored but we will see. Hasbro just doesn't seem to be previewing the MU stuff anymore, but looking at stuff like the West Coast Avengers pack gives me reason not to completely assume the worst. There are several cases recently of them releasing stuff with no press or previews beforehand. It's not a good sign but maybe that's just how they are doing things right now.

it is kinda weird that they did not generally release the antman pack even though it was advertised on the back of one of last years 2-pack releases.But didnt a few turn up on shelves in the philippines?

[Jackieboy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

Yeah, that would be a very fair swap. I find very few people left here that will offer good trades, but there are still some.

There have been so many new people coming on here setting up BST pages and asking ebay prices or wanting a king's ransom for whatever they are offering. If something is available at retail in my area I always sell at cost (within a dollar or so usually). I get people on here now who have stuff in their area that I want and they want to charge 50%-100% mark up to "help me out". No thanks.

What's most disturbing is that they don't even have any feedback or history here. Most post a link to feedback on another site. How does that do anything to help keep them honest here? If they scam/scalp a few people here they are just ruining the rep of their newly created account here. No risk for them.

Yeah,i totally agree there are some good guys still here,no doubt.and i did convey that in an earlier post.the way i figure is i take a trip to LCS,s once a week so its nothing to me to pick something up for somebody else if they need it,though the currency is different here as is prices,the best way i try to do it is a straight swap for something i need.and if i pick something up at sale price,ill be honest about it.i suppose it just means more to me to help a fellow arker out with good intentions alone.

[bmorr]

Someone on here, I don't remember who, bought the only Ant Man pack in existence i believe.

[Symbiote]

This conversation happens every year around this time. Ughh

[fosterlager]

Just before Toy Fair and just before SDCC, twice a year!

[Symbiote]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflakian

More alpha flight was discussed like Sasquatch from Beast. A Nova retool or repaint, and a few other odds and ends have been off handedly mentioned. Oh and that Darkhawk "Talon" half repaint used in dios. Purple man repaint (hasbro dio). You also have to consider Toy Fair is for retailers too. So they need to wow the retailers this go round to bolster shelf space again. There's also Fing Fang Foom. Though that's probably being pushed back for IM3 if they are still using him in that like Favreu mentioned wayyyyyyyyy back during IM1.

So we've got at least 2-3 more waves comng not counting anything comic series from other lines can be redone or re-used mold-wise. Like A-Bomb from bootless Ben grimm/Thing figure, Red She-Hulk and Savage She-hulk from sensational she-hulk. Force Works Scarlet witch, Finesse, shield agents(new live tv show, so that'd be pretty damn smart too for comic counterparts of Dugan, Coulson, Bridge, and others), or white Vision with 80s Ironman and US Agent(mimicing the classic avengers game, but everyone should already have a normal captain america), or multiple man in a coat, or even Modern Quasar from Nova's mold, and more. So it's not that the molds aren't there. It's just official announcements we're waiting on really. There are still tons of figures they can do from what they already have molds of. Including business suit figures from Xavier's mold. Like Jarvis, Stark, Osborn, Purpleman, etc. Plus if desperate, merging GI Joe heads into MU for some Shield agents like they did Maria Hill on BW's body.
Pretty much they have perfected several male base body types as well as a handful of female ones that's a large roster of parts to tap for creation with minor addon pieces now besides the heads. It could also be possible that Disney is just shoring up all outside connections to regulate information releases, or they are experimenting with customer surprise with the line to reinstill that feeling of going to the store and finding new characters(this thought actually intrigues me though it's just cruel).


*edit* Awesome! Mike got the others I missed.



You also have to consider spacing too though for all the property movies coming. Not just that their lines may cause hiatus, but the perfect MU fodder for before them and refills after them. (Which if anything, the comic pack route really did pan out well for the Future Foundation sets right when amazing spider-man was in theaters, so more of that wouldn't be bad either if planned right. Like unmasked X-23 and Glasses down Jubilee during Days of Future Past or Uncanny X-Force archangel and uncanny X-Force Psylocke, or what have you for exclusives before or after the movies associated.)
Getting the X-Men pack with Emma out around Days of Future Past or the wolverine could be seen as prime marketing time. Like how west Coast avengers are being pushed out fast now in the tail end of avengers histeria but also near/before IM3(it does have war machine and Hawkeye). Vance Astro could be pushed back to a cosmic heavy wave around when GOTG comes out in theaters. And the list goes on and on. Cap 2, Thor 2, etc on who you could or should release when and how much time between you have to use on saturation. Though I'd hope a hulk family wave is nearing ready for spring/summer before his Agents of SMASH toon starts. The biggest thing right now seems to be either getting retailer interest buzzing again, or getting the stores stock faster. Some better case balancing would be nice too with it heavier on the new figures. I'm not sure how much case assortments are dictated by store demand or customer base demand though(those two don't always line up).

I read this whole thing. I like how you've summed things up.

[miketime]

I agree about this talk cycling through the Jan to June dry spell of MU. But something about this time I'm getting the vibe like all of this end of the line talk could be for real. I think it's the latest Spiderman toys and the current IM3 reveals have me thinking this 5 points of articulation trend will stick with Hasbro and there future offerings.

I see it as a time to save $ for the really expensive things I will most likely be purchasing in the future. No I don't mean a house, but more toys. lol Hasbro has plenty of parts to choose from in making new MU style figures and even if they are only peppered in with waves with less articulation I will still be happy to pick them up. I waited almost 30 years for Hasbro to make a great 4 inch superhero action figure and I will ride this pony as far as it takes me.

[Ninjinister]

b'gah. I'm seeing IM3 and Ultimate Spidey stuff on the shelves but no 3.75s yet. I don't care how shit they may be I still wanna make the judgment for myself.

[MADREVJACK]

Hulk fun to look at!

HULK WILL NOT BE DINNER FOR SALAD!

[montressor]

How about a little less bellyaching about what the future may hold and a little more appreciation for what we enjoy. Like that Hulk pic, lets see some innovation.

[T J Bang]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

Yeah, that would be a very fair swap. I find very few people left here that will offer good trades, but there are still some.

There have been so many new people coming on here setting up BST pages and asking ebay prices or wanting a king's ransom for whatever they are offering. If something is available at retail in my area I always sell at cost (within a dollar or so usually). I get people on here now who have stuff in their area that I want and they want to charge 50%-100% mark up to "help me out". No thanks.

What's most disturbing is that they don't even have any feedback or history here. Most post a link to feedback on another site. How does that do anything to help keep them honest here? If they scam/scalp a few people here they are just ruining the rep of their newly created account here. No risk for them.

I can't help but feel this is addressed to me.