[BAD MOON]

That Mockingbird / Hawkeye pic rules.

[Exodus]

I picked up a Nova and Angel, would like to trade for a Skaar and a Red Hulk MOSC if possible, if not I can sell them to whomever still needs those 2. PM me.

[MADREVJACK]

Some Sunday morning appreciation.... Old school team style!

[ChuckSass]

we need Gamora

[snake5289]

I was bullshitting in Target for a bit earlier today and found these guys on clearance for like $17. My first MU purchase in I don't know how long.

Black Bolt chilaxin' LIKE A BOSS!

[Iceman]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

I was bullshitting in Target for a bit earlier today and found these guys on clearance for like $17. My first MU purchase in I don't know how long.

Blackbolt chilaxin' LIKE A BOSS!

Clearance!?! They haven't even showed up here!

[snake5289]

It's the first time I've seen them at the local Target. I've seen them at one not far from here a few times though. Almost bought one a while back. Good thing I didn't.

[rovinmando]

Snake...
What is that chair from? That is awesome.

[snake5289]

Mail away crystal skeleton from the Indy line a few years back.

http://www.toy-invasion.com/WebRoot/...kull_Alien.jpg

If I ever find a MU Kang that's what he'll be sitting in even though it's a little big for MU fellas.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by MADREVJACK

I'm pretty sure that Sauron was in one of the incarnations of the brotherhood also i think he is classified as a Savage Land Mutant, and Juggs was in the brotherhood with Sabertooth Mammomax Exodus, Avalanche, Nocturne, maybe someone else can't remember.

Honestly, it seems as if someone is an X-Men villain, that person will end up in the Brotherhood at some point, even if that person isn't technically a mutant.

Besides, it's not like Marvel's been all that clear on the in-universe definition of mutant, anyway. Within X-Men circles, you're supposed to be born with the X-Gene to be classified as a Mutant. But technically, any human who has been altered by some outside force is considered "mutated". So even Cap and Spidey would qualify in that regard.

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Juggs and Nocturne were under cover x-men. Also this is after Juggs gave up the Cytorak gem, and they whipped up a mutant ability to keep him in the game.

Forgive me, but that sounds like an awful setup by a hack writer.

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EDIT- true I'm mixin and matching characters to create my own team from the overall brotherhood roster.

Well, hey, it's your vision of the team, so have at it.

[Goldengreg]

Just received my Prince Of Persia Playset!
For the price, it's a very nice addition to one's diorama! Here is a quick pic I did after receiving it.



Amazon US and UK still have those at incredibly low price, if you're interested in them:
Amazon.com: McFarlane Toys Prince of Persia Deluxe Box Playset - Alamut Gate with 4" Dastan Action Figure: Toys & Games
Prince of Persia The Movie Alamut City Gate Playset: Amazon.co.uk: Toys & Games

[DarthGzus33]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

Mail away crystal skeleton from the Indy line a few years back.

http://www.toy-invasion.com/WebRoot/...kull_Alien.jpg

If I ever find a MU Kang that's what he'll be sitting in even though it's a little big for MU fellas.

Good call using that throne...I have one of those Crystal Skeletons and will need to do this at some point!!!

[bmorr]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

Honestly, it seems as if someone is an X-Men villain, that person will end up in the Brotherhood at some point, even if that person isn't technically a mutant.

Besides, it's not like Marvel's been all that clear on the in-universe definition of mutant, anyway. Within X-Men circles, you're supposed to be born with the X-Gene to be classified as a Mutant. But technically, any human who has been altered by some outside force is considered "mutated". So even Cap and Spidey would qualify in that regard.
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wikipedia has one:
a mutant is an organism (usually otherwise human) who possesses a genetic trait called an X-gene that allows the mutant to naturally develop superhuman powers and abilities.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by bmorr

wikipedia has one:
a mutant is an organism (usually otherwise human) who possesses a genetic trait called an X-gene that allows the mutant to naturally develop superhuman powers and abilities.

...which is what I said in my post. You even quoted it.

But various Marvel writers over the years have ignored this rule and thus we have people like Cain Marko and Karl Lykos being referred to as mutants on occasion. Of course, being later retconned into mutants later isn't helping matters. But at least it appears Marvel is finally trying to be consistent with it now.

Personally, I think it's just lazy writing to simply slap a "mutant" label on a character rather than develop a proper backstory and explanation of the characters power(s).

[MADREVJACK]

I agree that marvel uses mutants, mystic or ancient magic, and alien intervention too often in explaining powers.
But I don't know what I would rather they use? I mean we are explaining super powers, it seems like there is a finite amount of ways to get flashy powers.

[bmorr]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

...which is what I said in my post. You even quoted it.

But various Marvel writers over the years have ignored this rule and thus we have people like Cain Marko and Karl Lykos being referred to as mutants on occasion. Of course, being later retconned into mutants later isn't helping matters. But at least it appears Marvel is finally trying to be consistent with it now.

Personally, I think it's just lazy writing to simply slap a "mutant" label on a character rather than develop a proper backstory and explanation of the characters power(s).

You said that Cap and Spidey are mutants. they're not. They were not born with their powers.

[trebleshot]

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Originally Posted by bmorr

You said that Cap and Spidey are mutants.

No, I didn't. You really need to re-read my post. But I'll explain further, just the same:

I said that they could be considered mutants if the definition for mutant was anyone who was mutated or had their physical form altered/changed in some fashion. Like Cain and Karl are considered mutants (or at least referred to that way), even though neither one of them was born with the X-gene and both obtained their powers later in life due to other means (the retcon of Cain, notwithstanding).

By using that broader definition of "change = mutant", you would be able to include Spider-Man, Captain America, Hulk, Thing, Invisible Woman, Johnny Storm, Reed Richards, etc, into mutantkind as well.

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They were not born with their powers.

Yeah, I know. I've known about their origins for about oh, thirty-five years or so. Been reading and following comics a long time, mate.

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Originally Posted by MADREVJACK

I agree that marvel uses mutants, mystic or ancient magic, and alien intervention too often in explaining powers.
But I don't know what I would rather they use? I mean we are explaining super powers, it seems like there is a finite amount of ways to get flashy powers.

While the list for superpower origins may be finite, Marvel writers seem to favor a few of them a little too much. Personally I'd like to see a few of my personal favorites come back:

-getting bitten by something or someone (radioactive or not)
-chemical bath
-radiation poisoning
-member of an alien race
-new invention (suit, serum, tech, etc)
-blood transfusion
-no powers at all, just highly-trained or a human prodigy

(Longshot falls under the third one, yet he is still considered a mutant and an X-man)

[bitman2]

We are just about at the end of the stuff Vonner did or had in the works,What is shown in San Diego should give a good idea of what direction the line is heading in.

[Iceman]

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Originally Posted by MADREVJACK

I agree that marvel uses mutants, mystic or ancient magic, and alien intervention too often in explaining powers.
But I don't know what I would rather they use? I mean we are explaining super powers, it seems like there is a finite amount of ways to get flashy powers.

And the whole "mutant" DNA thing is still an easily accepted explanation for super powers in any fiction. I mean, a gamma bomb turns Bruce Banner into the Hulk? No, he dies from the radiation. Fall into a toxic waste and get super powers? Nope, you get cancer. Radioactive spider bites you? Probably doesn't end well. Comic "rays" in space? Your ship explodes or you die from exposure. The things that we have a better scientific understanding of don't really hold up anymore as origins. DNA, magic, super advanced robotics/tech, and alien influences all still hold that "yeah, I guess that's how it could work" feel since we don't have those thing documented and cataloged. For all we know people could evolve to have DNA that allows them to read minds and such or maybe people like that exist on another planet. Sure, the fact that mutants almost all have these random powers with little overlap is really unlikely but at least we aren't saying radiation made the Hulk or Godzilla.

[kylactus]

Yeah I think Captain America's powers have been retconed to explain that the "serum" was in fact a virus, because a serum, as a drug would wear off and metabolize leaving him powerless. But adding to your point on radiation, spider, and cosmic ray poisoning, most people I've seen that were born "mutated" had well less than "Uncanny" powers, and more commonly severely debilitating handicaps. don't overthink it kids, Its fiction, its fun and it rocks. Plus who amongst us has not had the joy of being bitten by a painfully venomous creature and saying jokingly as the wound burns "maybe I'll get superpowers!"

[ChuckSass]

exactly, it's not supposed to be realistic, I will say marvel has millions of characters from different backgrounds (mythologically, cultural, religious, even within realistic and mythical cities) and all are pretty unique in their own way that even concepts like She-Hulk or Spider-Woman who were just made for legal purposes into amazing fictional characters in their own right.

[Iceman]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

Yeah I think Captain America's powers have been retconed to explain that the "serum" was in fact a virus, because a serum, as a drug would wear off and metabolize leaving him powerless. But adding to your point on radiation, spider, and cosmic ray poisoning, most people I've seen that were born "mutated" had well less than "Uncanny" powers, and more commonly severely debilitating handicaps. don't overthink it kids, Its fiction, its fun and it rocks. Plus who amongst us has not had the joy of being bitten by a painfully venomous creature and saying jokingly as the wound burns "maybe I'll get superpowers!"

I definitely agree with you but my point was mostly these days they can't get away with origins like that for new characters. We accept Superman and Spider-Man cause they've been around forever but with new heroes and villains other explanations are better. In the real world genetic mutation is usually bad for your survival but we still accept that changing DNA can make us better than we are. I know Stan Lee always says that X-Men was his best idea because after he when he needed to come up with a reason someone had powers he could just say there were a mutant and born with this random gene. Comic origins are always just ways of explaining why someone does the cool stuff you dreamed up for them as opposed to explaining what happens when you fall into toxic waste or something.

[trebleshot]

I still think most of those origins are perfectly plausible. This is a fictional universe and no one said it has to obey our world's natural laws of physics, biology and such. Besides, if you put too much thought into any superpower or mutant ability, the science of it breaks down faster than a sandcastle at high tide - just try it with Superman sometime.

Here's some food for thought, Iceman:

If you were creating the Hulk today, how would you write his origin? He has to have the same look, powers and abilities (i.e. fueled by rage, can't always control the change, etc). Personally, I'd opt for a chemical cocktail a la the original inspiration for the Hulk: Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde.

[MADREVJACK]

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Originally Posted by trebleshot

I still think most of those origins are perfectly plausible. This is a fictional universe and no one said it has to obey our world's natural laws of physics, biology and such. Besides, if you put too much thought into any superpower or mutant ability, the science of it breaks down faster than a sandcastle at high tide - just try it with Superman sometime.

Here's some food for thought, Iceman:

If you were creating the Hulk today, how would you write his origin? He has to have the same look, powers and abilities (i.e. fueled by rage, can't always control the change, etc). Personally, I'd opt for a chemical cocktail a la the original inspiration for the Hulk: Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde.

I'm gonna go with fungal infection, I've heard they can be real, real bad.
Edit: Banner is bipolar, and he has a fungal infection. Also explains uncontrollable mood swings and green color, from the fungus growing under his skin.

I'd actually like to see super powers come from embellishment of pathogens, infections, disease and related vectors. It's something we can point at and say, well something like that kind of does happen in advanced cases of rabies. It gives a little more ground to stand on before you make that leap of faith into super powers.
Bioengineered weapons could also explain super powers, ie. Extremis.

[fosterlager]

How about superpowers triggered by allergies? I haven't seen that yet.