[deathofthelines]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

Copy/paste what you want to say and put it in Google Translator as Chinese. And then translate the Chinese back to English. It will be very different. But if you can get the gist of it, then so will they. Here is an example of how different a translation re-translated back into English can be:

I fear that we are going way too off-topic. You should make a new thread for discussing this stuff.

Ah yes the criminal activity and intent thread.

[Kamatayan]

Made the thread for discussing the whole bootleg thing. Here's the link: http://www.toyark.com/mass-producing...30/#post612702

[kylactus]

I don't consider it a crime if we produce figures Hasbro will never make, right? especially if we don't profit from the figures then it's art right? and if we distributed it via a private auction on ebay, then we're purchasing a product from china on ebay, then passing them out to friends at cost. I see no ligule issue here. were commissioning art from china.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

I don't consider it a crime if we produce figures Hasbro will never make, right? especially if we don't profit from the figures then it's art right? and if we distributed it via a private auction on ebay, then we're purchasing a product from china on ebay, then passing them out to friends at cost. I see no ligule issue here. were commissioning art from china.

That's a good way of putting it. And hell, if this ends up bothering Hasbro then, it could end up being a good thing. One of the worst outcomes would be that we would be banned from making bootlegs, but because of it, Hasbro would be forced to give us what we want. Anyways, we should continue the discussion in the link below before we get punished for going off topic.
http://www.toyark.com/mass-producing...ussion-167730/

[Ninjinister]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

I'm just curious, does anyone here have the Marvel Disk Wars figures? There are barely any pictures on the internet of them next to MU figures.

This is the only one of the line so far that I have and the only pic I have so far too. Sorry it's not alongside MUs. I might get a pic sometime eventually though.

[ukmu]

You would have to make a lot of product to show up on Hasbros radar. Technically it is copyright infringement. It all comes down to proving that you profit from the line. Even customizing them for profit is a crime.

To manufacture in small batches like this you are looking at most likely $50 a figure. Design, tooling, manufacturing, painting and shipping.... could even be more until you purchase several hundred units.

Also, this is a discussion on Marvel 3.75" so enough of the annoying "topic" talk. There are literally less than 12 posts about this spread out over 10 pages.

In actuality, casting is stealing. What Vort, Glassman, Nomad, K Dub and now even Pilk do is piracy. In a court they could be used for vast sums of money affecting the next generation of their families if the Disney litigation machine were so inclined. Cease and desist letters would go out first, and if ignored- then legal action would follow.

Anyway Ky, talking to the person that answers emails from a.seller is not the route to go. That is akin to asking the check out girl at Wal-Mart about manufacturing cost of paper towels when buying them.from there. Write to I Am Elemental producers, write to Boss Fight/Marauders people and find out WHERE to find the manufacturing people.

We all want better Marvel figures. We won't see it from Hasbro, so at least this is a start. Imagine though, a perfect 90's Storm for only $85 would very people buy them?

On a.see note, did you guys see an Emma Frost figured auctioned for $152.50 the.other day!!!! Crazy!

Also got our second SDCC green H.I.S.S. tank in! Gonna try to squeeze n a quick HYDRA shoot later. I still feel bad for poor Ant-Man from the last shoot! Any suggestions for whom HYDRA's next victim.should be?

One last thing..... with all the contests, fantasy leagues and secret Santa talk.... would others be.interested in donating a figure each into a large pool for an ultimate thread give away? Theme and rules to be discussed later...smooth ;-) everyone could enter, not skill or luck.based? We all would enjoy getting free Marvel 3.75" figures I think!

(Those casts are coming well Pilk, good job)
(It is ok if you prefer soft goods Jedi, I still love you)

And a big internet hug to all, for reading this forum thread brings a smile to me daily and I truly enjoy each and every new of you!!!

[ukmu]

Those disc wars figures are SUPER cheap on taobao right now. Pennies on the dollar. Some one posted comparison pics here a while back. They are smaller, maybe not actual 3.75" but closer to 4"....and our figures are bigger than that. Might be goes d for kit bashing though.

[Lionheart]

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

Every one if my figures that cam with a hard cape now has soft goods. Punisher has a trench coat made from a Darth Maul cloak with no sleeves, Sentry, Thor, Odin, Dr Doom - all soft goods. Better than those disgusting plastic monstrosities.

Teacher!

Show me the way!

I hate plastic capes!

[jedirulz123]

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Originally Posted by ukmu

In actuality, casting is stealing. What Vort, Glassman, Nomad, K Dub and now even Pilk do is piracy. In a court they could be used for vast sums of money affecting the next generation of their families if the Disney litigation machine were so inclined. Cease and desist letters would go out first, and if ignored- then legal action would follow.

You know, I wondered as such. That'll be why Vort gives them all really vague names.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

Teacher!

Show me the way!

I hate plastic capes!

Come, my son, I will show you the light! I'll get some soft goods pics up in a minute

[Autobot_Goldbug]

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Originally Posted by ukmu

Soft goods???????? I dont even know you anymore!

Smh...... Soft goods indeed!!!!! Those are Ken and Barbie dude, not action figures!


Keep calm, kill Frank and hail HYDRA

NO WAY! Soft Goods FOREVER!!!!

https://sites.google.com/site/urbanrevtoys/

[Universe]

^That actually looks really nice. Good choice of figure too, I actually liked that buck, although it was a bit on the short side, it represented "normal in-shape humans" unlike all the taller superheroes.

[Law78]

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

So as we know, Pilk is doing casting now, and he's got some great heads right now, and the Warlock/SDCC Doom Infinity Gauntlet!
£4 a pop because it's early days, an extra £1.50 for painted, which is far less than Vort or Glassman for painted.
Shield Agent, Ultron & Kree army builder heads, unmasked Daken & Bullseye, Dum Dum Dugan.
I've put in my first order, and because he's cast loads, he's got a stock in so the order is shipped out within a day or so, so no 6 month waits.
Plus, buy 5+ you get them painted for free! I know I'm going to this guy from now on.

These look ace is one of them a tombstone head? second row from bottom to the right??? thinking about it has there ever been a Tombstone MU figure??? that is one i would love to see.

[jedirulz123]

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Originally Posted by Law78

These look ace is one of them a tombstone head? second row from bottom to the right??? thinking about it has there ever been a Tombstone MU figure??? that is one i would love to see.

That is indeed Tombstone, and Hasbro never made one so a custom is the way forward

[Autobot_Goldbug]

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

do you have pics of Doom 2099? I've been on a 2099 flashback kick lately, I'm even trying to get a hulk 2099 toybiz figure off ebay for spidey 2099 to display with.

Snowflakian Customs


I keep Spider-man 2099 posed on the top of the throne normally while Doom sits in it. Toy Biz's Hulk 2099 I sold off though.

And don't rationalize what you're saying on the bootlegs/knockoffs. What you're talking about is highly legally questionable and is stealing money from Hasbro as well as materials.

Casting is different as it entails physical labor and original molds by casting themselves. You'r talking about actually using Hasbro parts and molds. And it's not that they "won't make it" it's that you don't want to wait for them to make it.

Custom figures are an entirely different thing as the majority of us who do make them or tweak our own, still purchased the mainline goods to do so(like if I wanted to mass produce Doom 2099's on a small scale to sell, I'd have to purchase Hasbro's Dooms and Ultrons). What we do with the item after we purchase it, or how others may pay for how we modified it, is entirely different than paying someone that took parts from a factory or used actual Hasbro molds without compensating them.

For kitbashers, Hasbro or Mattel got our compensation by the initial purchase we made for the parts to make whatever we make. For mold casting people. They created their own molds, used their own resources, and provided their own labor. That's why most companies look the other way on those. Now it also varies region to region. Like doing something like that in Japan is outright illegal unless it's for a Convention or Trade Show where the law is more relaxed on sales of items of that nature during.

I'm not saying I'm for or against what you're doing. All I'm saying is be a little more forward and honest about what you're suggesting, and a little less entitled.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by ukmu

Those disc wars figures are SUPER cheap on taobao right now. Pennies on the dollar. Some one posted comparison pics here a while back. They are smaller, maybe not actual 3.75" but closer to 4"....and our figures are bigger than that. Might be goes d for kit bashing though.

Link? I absolutely need those figures.
EDIT: I've got it, but the translate option isn't popping up!

[Captain Nash]

I'm very torn on customs depending on how it's done. I have no problem with paying someone for a one off (or they may do several but not mass produced by any means) that is done from materials that they have paid for the figures for, and gone through the labor of kitbashing and repainting. I think for those of us with very little customizing skills this is a boon. Plus they are doing it per customer request and investing time money and effort for every figure done.

On the other hand mass producing seems less like something I'd support. They're not purchasing EACH mold they're making. It's very much akin to buying a CD and then making massive amounts of copies and selling those. Or DVDS. Unauthorized distribution and what not. I'll look the other way but I can't really support it either. But then again, the company I work for actually is a copyright/licensing company so I'm kind of obligated to do so anyways.

[Kamatayan]

The Disk Wars Thor is absolutely amazing! Too bad they're short. But right now, I'm only interested in Wolverine because of how short he is. If only Thor was the right size! But if you put the movie Hulk head on the Hulk from this line, I think it would look great!

[Augustus_Cole]

^^^^^^^ those are cool

[deathofthelines]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

The Disk Wars Thor is absolutely amazing! Yoo bad they're short. But right now, I'm only interested in Wolverine because of how short he is. If only Thor was the right size! But if you put the movie Hulk head on the Hulk from this line, I think it would look great!

Lol hulk looks like he more coked up than mad. " your making me angry...wanna head to the restroom and do a couple lines?"

[K Dubious]

YOU WON'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M (snifffff.....) LET'S PARTY!

[Kamatayan]

Not trying to offend anyone who watches anime. In fact, I love anime. It's just that the Hulk in the anime and the figure looks kind of stupid.

[deathofthelines]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

Not trying to offend anyone who watches anime. In fact, I love anime. It's just that the Hulk in the anime and the figure looks kind of stupid.

If I get this figure I'm so displaying him with a baggie full of white powder.

[K Dubious]

People of the world....How the hell do you order from Taobao?

I can translate everything until I need to enter my shipping information.... I would prefer to pay by paypal for a bit of protection, but hot damn there are some cool things on there.

I keep seeing this German Soldier in a cream colored version of the SDCC Red Skull that looks awesome plus they have loads of Indiana Jones which is what Hasbro and I used for our custom Hoods, plus other stuff I didn't realize I needed until I saw that it was less than a dollar on some MU figs.

[deathofthelines]

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Originally Posted by k dubious

people of the world....how the hell do you order from taobao?

I can translate everything until i need to enter my shipping information.... I would prefer to pay by paypal for a bit of protection, but hot damn there are some cool things on there.

I keep seeing this german soldier in a cream colored version of the sdcc red skull that looks awesome plus they have loads of indiana jones which is what hasbro and i used for our custom hoods, plus other stuff i didn't realize i needed until i saw that it was less than a dollar on some mu figs.

links!!!