[LordMudd]

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Originally Posted by Kernel

Yeah guys this isn't funny. I would be devastated if Jennifer Lawrence raped me.






Vision: "excuse me Wanda... Can you please be so kind as to.... Help me drain my infinity stone... It's become quite swollen."

I remember a cartoon where they are doing it and she is saying "Oooo, yeah baby, vary that density."

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[LordMudd]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

You forgot the third possibility, Moon Knight!!!
I don't think that Ghost Rider would work very well with a 13 episode series, a 4 episode or so mini series sounds more right for the character. Ghost Rider's world is just so much more mystical and otherworldly than any of the other released/possible Netflix shows that it seems like it would be the most expensive (what with all that necessary CGI) so a shorter more contained story would be the better option. I think it's in big part thanks to those two awful Nic Cage movies but it just feels like Ghost Rider has been permanently stained in the media outside of the comics, we'll see if Marvel themselves can fix this if they go through with it.

I remember them promising us Iron Fist and Werewolf by Night. Now if they id Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, and Werewolf by Knight on Netflix, and had Morbius on a Spiderman movie, with Dr Strange being done, it would set up a Midnight Sons movie for a Halloween release.


Of course they are NOT bright enough to figure that out, they can't even release a Thor movie on Thorsday. They release it on Freyasday and Freya isn't even in it!


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[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I think it's in big part thanks to those two awful Nic Cage movies but it just feels like Ghost Rider has been permanently stained in the media outside of the comics, we'll see if Marvel themselves can fix this if they go through with it.

I dunno, Ghost Rider, as I know his backstory, would probably be a success if done properly. It isn't like the Fantastic Four, who have had 4 movies to get it right, and still failed(though I have fond memories of the 2005 one...From when I watched it in 2005).

[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I remember a cartoon where they are doing it and she is saying "Oooo, yeah baby, vary that density."

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I hope my future wife says that to me during our kinky escapades.

[MUfan97]

So I got the Avengers Assemble Tornado Blade Iron Man figure for a custom today, and I must say, it's not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. It's bad, sure, but it has some nice little touches, like the fingers on the repulsor hand. I can actually get him into one decent pose, which is fine with me, as the Marvel NOW version would be on my MU overflow shelf regardless of mold.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I remember them promising us Iron Fist and Werewolf by Night. Now if they id Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, and Werewolf by Knight on Netflix, and had Morbius on a Spiderman movie, with Dr Strange being done, it would set up a Midnight Sons movie for a Halloween release.


Of course they are NOT bright enough to figure that out, they can't even release a Thor movie on Thorsday. They release it on Freyasday and Freya isn't even in it!


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Actually just by adding Blade, Ghost Rider, and Moon Knight they could do the most recent version of the Hearts of Darkness which was them and Punisher. It's similar to the Midnight Sons, sorta, except it's not an "official" group and I'm not even sure if that line-up happened or if it was just a little promotional Marvel put out.

[samsson37]

They better do MOTHER F'n SKURGE correct !!!!!!
Also HElA better have her freakin head dress !!!

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by MUfan97

I hope my future wife says that to me during our kinky escapades.

I'M suddenly very very fearful.....cosplay just took a very dark turn.

[cobralord]

Jeff Goldblum is going to be The Grandmaster In Thor Ragnarok and Michael Keaton to play The Vulture in Spider Man Homecoming.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by cobralord

Jeff Goldblum is going to be The Grandmaster In Thor Ragnarok and Michael Keaton to play The Vulture in Spider Man Homecoming.

Im just happy melissa mcarthy isnt the vulture, though shed make a good rhino. Haha

[snake5289]

I honestly don't know which version of Ghost Rider I'd rather see as a Netflix series. My love for the 90s Dan Ketch era knows no bounds but on the other hand the modern Johnny Blaze stuff that dealt with Zadkiel was really solid too. Or they could use the Ultimate version even though it felt a bit like a Spawn/Crow knockoff.

Screw it do whatever you want and I'll watch it a dozen times in a row. But I would ask that Vengeance be involved in some way.

[LordMudd]

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Originally Posted by cobralord

Jeff Goldblum is going to be The Grandmaster In Thor Ragnarok and Michael Keaton to play The Vulture in Spider Man Homecoming.

BIRRRRRRRRRRD-Man!


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[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

BIRRRRRRRRRRD-Man!

Damn good movie..

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Im just happy melissa mcarthy isnt the vulture, though shed make a good rhino. Haha

heh..

[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Creed in X-Men 1 has been further mutated in a story we've yet to see that takes place before it. That's probably also why the full different appearance too. He's more animalistic and may not have have full memories. Though he did grab the dog tag in X-men 1, so there was some mild recollection of their connection. He's so animalistic in the first X-Men movie though, he doesn't even really speak any dialog except when Xavier possesses him.

It's hinted at in XMO:W that Creed wouldn't survive the process that gave Wolverine adamantium. So there's a mild allusion to the fact he may have still tried an endurance test at a later point or went to someone else for enhancement. That might be a story yet to come.

The X-Men continuity is a little bit of a mess, and it's also juggling the ripple effect of DOFP now too. So the majority of X1-X3 either didn't happen or happened differently now. The same is true for XMO:W. Only everything before the 70s is still continuity, everything after the 70s is different now with the ripple effects causing births to have happened at different eras as parents met sooner in some cases, possibly later in other cases.

And Deadpool is probably AU entirely. Though it could be argued that it's 10 years after the good future in DOFP.

A large chunk of the issue has to do with the writer change ups, and the director shifts, but Kinsberg is working on aligning it back together and has it flowing better from first class on up. X1-3 aren't continuity anymore anyway with DOFP's altering the time stream. So that was mostly a nod and farewell for those fans of the original. That's assuming it even was the X1-3 timeline though. It also cameo'ed Nate Grey(the mutant that was wandering the outlands). We never had a sinister movie, so there are a bunch of stories of that timeline that were never told as that cameo alone suggests.

Personally, I'd rather Marvel not get the rights back yet. Though if the next film goes onslaught, that might be the merging point for the rights. The problem if Marvel gets the rights back, is that then they'll lean on them over the larger library they've got. The larger library needs the exposure, the X-Men can stay at Fox and they can explore that side unhindered. Though there are some stories I'd love for the rights to get intermingled for (Target X) but some slight revisions make that unneeded too.

It's a toss up. We lose a lot of potential if Marvel integrates them into the MCU, but we also gain some better adaptions too. Galactus and the Fantastic 4 would be interesting over in the MCU, but tbh, the first two movies were a pretty close MCU adaption anyway. If they had followed through with the original Fan4 plan and done the silver surfer prequel, they would have fixed the Galactus cloud issue. Allegedly there was a last minute change to use the shadow because they wanted to save the bigger reveal for the Surfer's standalone movie.

Then the new one leaned heavier on material from the ultimate comics rendition.

The one thing to remember with the X-Men movies though is that the original don't have a set date. It's set to a "not so distant future." The adding historic points in the past ones is what set the dates. So the original X1-x3 can be anywhere from 2006-2030. Though DOFP's future is suggested as 2023.

You are definitely a good fan that is good at justifying and reconciling continuity issues. I really don't think they put that much thought into these issues unfortunately. Singer banned comic books from the set and just doesn't capture the essence of the Xmen IMO. I guess I grew up reading the comics and watching that awesome 90s animated cartoon, I feel like there is a ton of source material that you could pick and choose from to get some great movies. Instead they kind of try and reinvent the wheel and we wind up with these bizarre versions of the characters (like silver samurai or apocalypse) that just reek of Hollywood's inability to do something fresh and new.

I would love if marvel got the Xmen back. I feel like Sony made 5 spidey movies and it took about 20 minutes of screen time for marvel to get it right. The one thing I would worry about is that marvel studio seems to do 2 movies a year, a big popular one and then later on a smaller character line antman... But they seem to take their time and do things right.
I would love to see marvel studios take on the Xmen.

[LordMudd]

They need to redo DoFP right. The one and only scene that just plain needs to be on film is Kitty's first walk across the Danger Room, but they wrote that out to kiss Jackman's hairy butt.


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[Lionheart]

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I prefer the new one being Jonas so it's actually different. Otherwise they might as well have just re-released the original with its better articulation. This way somebody can have both without one being strictly better than the other.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. With the prohibitive costs of the original I'm not sure most people really have the chance at having both. I just love the paint job on the original MU one. Plus I'm heavily a 'classic' fan when it comes to the looks of characters.

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I do too. The body of the old one is pretty bad. Articulation be damned; I prefer the new one.

That buck was weak. The fact he's so stumpy and can't look up kills me. I think if the new one had the old colours I'd be more or less happy even with the limited artic.

[olslick]

I really wish MCU die hards didn't have the need the put down other CBMs because they don't like them. I really, really wish they'd just be real and say they don't appreciate the experience they offer versus what you get with DisMarvel. Because that's ultimately what it comes down to.
You can't honestly say MCU follows the all too precious "source material" much better than any other studio. And if I wanted to play that game I could easily point out how the majority of MCU characters barely resemble their comic counter parts. Ultron, Ant-Man, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Zemo, Mandarin... The list goes on and on with regards to how their studio will show horn ideas into their films to fit the flow and narrative they're trying to achieve. But only Fox and WB get called on those types of discrepancies.
As far as continuity goes, that's another BS argument I'm sick of hearing. Because it's again only a problem in movies that aren't MCU sponsored. I get that DisMarvel has built this great universe of films that all look and feel exactly the same. They're all shot the same and have the same tone. And I fully understand that people have come to expect that at this point from CBMs. But it's not realistic. It's a bubble that's going to burst just like the 90s collector boom. What people commonly refer to "continuity errors" in other studios films are really just filmmaking tricks that are almost necessary in order to tell a story with a beginning, middle and end. But MCU movies aren't bogged down by that whole story-telling mechanics mumbo jumbo because they aren't really telling a story in two and a half hours. They're only advancing one. Some people enjoy that and that's fine, I'm not going to rain on their parade cause it isn't my cup of tea. But you have to understand that's what's going on. In my estimation, they aren't producing movies as much as commercials for more movies to come at a later date.
How is splitting hairs over how old Archangel is in Apocalypse versus X3 any different that wondering where the rest of the Avengers are in Winter Soldier when there are helicarriers crashing on the Washington mall? Or why didn't any Avengers help Tony when he was attacked in his home by the Mandarin? It's called suspension of disbelief! And you're willing to give that to MCU movies but not to movies by Fox or WB.

In summation, don't post these crazy tirades trying to use some quasi intellectual nonsense to justify your dislike for the other team. Just come correct and say that's not your team and so you're gonna openly root against them. That's cool. At least you're being honest. You can't point to a single shred of evidence that DisMarvel would do the X-Men any better than Fox. In fact, I could cite the fact that the mastermind and head of the MCU, Kevin Feige produced the first several X-Men and Spider Man films as evidence they couldn't. You say give them a crack at the franchise and I say their golden boy has had one.

[kylactus]

Other than magnetos helmet, name one costume in the x movies that anyone would begin to recognize as belonging to that character?
And the concept of a movie not having a definitive end was around long before the low attention span of our society made trilogies the standard. They were called feature leignth serials. They were the predisessors of tv shows. Ironically captain Americas first on screen appearance was in one of these. As far as hard evidence for a hypothetical situation of another studio developing X men? I'm not sure that's even possible, it's like saying I bet kindergarten cop 2' s going to suck, can't prove it till I see it, but I'd lay money on it for sure. If you want strong evidence look at spidey, More people have had good things to say about his few minutes of screen time than the last three spider man movies.

[Kernel]

Agreed kylactus... I mean we've had shared universes going back to at least the Star Wars movies and the oldest sequel movie is from 1916 but who's counting.
You can easily say that the other avengers weren't in winter soldier because the story takes place in a very short period of time, same with IM3. I mean sure it was a little bit odd but the MCU at least tries to stay somewhat consistent.
Anyways I just love comic book movies in general... I loved the dark knight movies and deadpool, not trying to sound quasi intellectual or whatever nor do I really care all that much... No need to "come correct" and say it isn't my team as I'll still see apocolypse and just about any other comic book movie (shrugs).

I haven't seen it yet but I wouldn't mind a Olivia munn psylocke figure in this scale.

[Ninjinister]

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Originally Posted by olslick

In summation, don't post these crazy tirades trying to use some quasi intellectual nonsense to justify your dislike for the other team.

Is that not what you literally just did?

[McMotu]

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Originally Posted by Exodus

The legs on the new Vision look wobbly....

Can't be as wobbly as the old one. I don't like the darker colors though and that price tag...woof.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

Other than magnetos helmet, name one costume in the x movies that anyone would begin to recognize as belonging to that character?

The professor's suit and wheelchair combo

[olslick]

No, I wouldn't classify my post as me bashing the other team. I feel like I went out of my way to say repeatedly that I don't have any problem with anyone preferring MCU over everything else. Several times, actually. I have no loyalty here besides my fandom of comic books. Everything else is just supplemental for me, so I take it with a grain of salt. I go see all of the movies for the most part. Some I like, others I do not. Simple as that. My only point is that some people, a loud minority of fans continue to go out of their way to bash anything that doesn't fit the mold of the MCU and it really becomes tiresome. They'll point to any hair splitting inconsistency in any movie and cite it as evidence of the the inferiority of anything that isn't a cinematic universe that they seem to see through rose tinted glasses. Pretty straightforward I think.
For example, the costume issue was just brought up again. And this one has always been one of my favorite points of contention because it's an area where DisMarvel would clearly have the upper hand with their ability to synergize with the comics and toys. Everyone hates the drab, black leather X-Men movie costumes because they don't resemble the comic counterparts. But Hawkeye didn't start wearing drab, black leather in the books until the movies needed him to. But somehow that's different enough to not raise the ire of any fanboys. Cap has never worn the boot cuffs and we understand why; because it's kinda silly. No one would expect that in a live action movie. But for some reason Wolverine's yellow spandex doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt. Why would that be except for a ridiculous bias in favor of the movies you like versus the ones you don't like?
And while we're on the topic of costumes, the costumes in Apocalypse look fairly close to the comic versions. You can at least pick up the homages if you were so inclined. And why shouldn't that count? It doesn't seem fair to me use the "trending upward" argument with regards to Spidey but not for the X-Men. But that's the thing isn't it? You ask what characters resemble their comic counterparts besides Magneto and his helmet and I would say Deadpool, Psylocke, Beast, Nightcrawler, Cyclops and Negasomic Teenage Warhead all have pretty spot on comic book looking costumes. But somehow that doesn't count. It's the same old argument from people who don't like Fox X-Men: "they never get it right except when then do." And in the circumstances where they do stick the landing it's chalked up on these forums as some sort of fluke or accident. But they've been making these movies for going on 20 years, and to be sure they've made more good ones than bad ones.
You hear all this gushing over things the MCU has done as though everything they touch is golden. Take Spidey in Civil War for example. The consensus I've heard here over and over again is that it only took DisMarvel 20 minutes to "get him right." What does that mean though? What exactly did they get right? His fighting style? His banter? Cause that was pretty much all there was. He fought in a battle and delivered some solid one liners. Is that really all there is to the seventy year history of the character? What did they "get right" exactly? Cause it sure didn't seem to be aunt May.
But again, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You say there's no possible way we could know that DisMarvel wouldn't handle the characters or source material better, but we're pretty sure they could... But I cited evidence that says they couldn't. Kevin Feige. He did Spider Man 1 and 2 and Civil War and Age of Ultron and the first 3 X-Men movies. What did he do so differently in Civil War versus the first Spider Man that supports the notion that he gets that character so much better now? CGI eyes? SAME GUY. Produced all these movies. Some of them you like, some of them you don't. And while that's okay- everyone is entitled to their opinion, let's just not pretend that they aren't all more similar than we'd like to believe. The vast chasm of difference in quality is not nearly as vast as people want to say. That's all I'm trying to articulate.

[kylactus]

Hold up, I didn't put DP in the X bag at all. Colossus stole the show in his scenes. Proving two things, you can have an X movie without wolverine, and DP takes place in a different continuity to the rest of the X verse so far.

P.S. They didn't have to tone down Deadpools costume one bit.

[Foreddyn]

I think the points of the members here towards the movies are: give us enough of the comic's version of the costume, their personality and storyline. Even if they do change a lot, at least that point where we say "that's so him/her". If not, at least give us an enjoyable flow of the story in the movie.