[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I actually seem to recall multiple characters in universe bringing up this point at one time or another (like Spider-Man I think).
From the general overview the comics have presented it's because people like Spider-Man, Carol Danvers, Wonder Man, Wasp, etc. were born as and lived their early lives as regular people (anatomically anyway) and only gained their powers later so the masses feel like they are still one of them (but with power). They have some level of relation and association plus a hint of "that could've been me who got those powers." Alternatively mutants present an evolutionary development of powers which spells out eventual extinction of the normal human race (a point made by many X-verse characters). It also doesn't help that the first known mutant turned into a tyrant overlord with plans of world domination.

Well, equally so, any normal person could've been born with the X-gene in their systems, and mutant powers emerge during puberty, so the "could've been me" thing doesn't seem like a proper counter argument to me.

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by MUfan97

Well, equally so, any normal person could've been born with the X-gene in their systems, and mutant powers emerge during puberty, so the "could've been me" thing doesn't seem like a proper counter argument to me.

You're talking about bigotry though in their reasons why. So logic doesn't really factor into the mentalities.

That being said, it is a constant question that comes up. The fantastic 4 are loved, even celebrated but the X-Men are hated. This theme has come up in the old cartoons before too. The 70s ones I mean. Not sure if they've covered it in recent ones. They also did a version of this argument with JJJ on Spider-man in the toons on why he hates Spider-man but other masked heroes like Captain America are okay.

Even stripping away the fake reasonings, it always boils down to bigotry of some kind that has no logical underlying aspect.

Mutants are hated because they are different. Other superheroes are loved because of whatever reason of "normalcy."

The reasons vary per hero. Ironman built his suit. Captain America is a war hero. The fantastic 4 were because they are scientists that got their powers from cosmic radiation so it's not their fault. Etc. etc. etc.

The arguments are all flawed and always are sourced to some form of rationalization to treat mutants as different. Most of the internal baseline arguments stem from the "evolutionary step" that'd make humans extinct someday, so they fear and hate mutants by nature. Even though mutants aren't actively out to wipe them out knowingly and any mutant could have two human parents. Any child of "humans" could be a mutant. This is the reason why the metaphor worked so well to cover minorities and other oppressed people. It's based around the fear of the unknown and ignorance. Which is why most other heroes don't have to deal with it unless it comes out that they are a mutant. Avengers loosely covered this back with Firestar and Justice too. A little bit with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, but the bigger argument there was that they were former terrorists. It was also briefly touched on in Ultimates because Wasp was a mutant but she kept it secret by saying it was because of Pym's experiments.

[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

You're talking about bigotry though in their reasons why. So logic doesn't really factor into the mentalities.

That being said, it is a constant question that comes up. The fantastic 4 are loved, even celebrated but the X-Men are hated. This theme has come up in the old cartoons before too. The 70s ones I mean. Not sure if they've covered it in recent ones. They also did a version of this argument with JJJ on Spider-man in the toons on why he hates Spider-man but other masked heroes like Captain America are okay.

Even stripping away the fake reasonings, it always boils down to bigotry of some kind that has no logical underlying aspect.

Mutants are hated because they are different. Other superheroes are loved because of whatever reason of "normalcy."

The reasons vary per hero. Ironman built his suit. Captain America is a war hero. The fantastic 4 were because they are scientists that got their powers from cosmic radiation so it's not their fault. Etc. etc. etc.

The arguments are all flawed and always are sourced to some form of rationalization to treat mutants as different. Most of the internal baseline arguments stem from the "evolutionary step" that'd make humans extinct someday, so they fear and hate mutants by nature. Even though mutants aren't actively out to wipe them out knowingly and any mutant could have two human parents. Any child of "humans" could be a mutant. This is the reason why the metaphor worked so well to cover minorities and other oppressed people. It's based around the fear of the unknown and ignorance. Which is why most other heroes don't have to deal with it unless it comes out that they are a mutant. Avengers loosely covered this back with Firestar and Justice too. A little bit with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, but the bigger argument there was that they were former terrorists. It was also briefly touched on in Ultimates because Wasp was a mutant but she kept it secret by saying it was because of Pym's experiments.

I do see the point there, but honestly, X-men feels like a concept that would work best outside of a universe full of super powered beings. Not saying that I don't like them existing out there, but even with this explanation, the logic hole is still present(just not as noticeable).

[Sithlord1963]

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Originally Posted by Grippen

Don't understand why these Civil War packs are taking so long to hit retail. Wish I could find them on China sellers but not even there.

It's hard but I'm trying to be patient - the Cap with motorcycle is showing up for as little as £7.99 (UK Sterling) with free shipping - expecting the Falcon fig to eventually follow suit and hoping that the BP/Agent 13 start to appear in the next few weeks.

[jedirulz123]

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Originally Posted by Kamatayan

I just won an Old Man Logan on eBay for $10 without the retracted hands and the baby Hulk. Before I put any money into it I examined the picture and noticed that the guy used black marker or paint to fill in the gaps in the claws. I was just wondering if anyone had any guides on removing stuff like permanent marker on these figures without damaging them.

What you need is some nail varnish remover. Doesn't affect the paint job, but a smidge of nail varnish remover on a cotton bud then rub it in the claws till the marker comes off. Works a treat.

[Kamatayan]

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

What you need is some nail varnish remover. Doesn't affect the paint job, but a smidge of nail varnish remover on a cotton bud then rub it in the claws till the marker comes off. Works a treat.

Thanks for the info. Gonna do this.

[Ctonra5669]

found the new wave in walmart this morning, only hand enough for two picked up vision and iron spidy. was gonna get gamora but didnt like the paint apps.

[Villano]

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Originally Posted by snake5289

That is a tough one. I'd have to say one of these three.

They've all be worked on a bit in some way. Wolverine is my own recipe, Dark Spider-Man has Black Bolt's legs with Nova's hands and gave him a repaint, and Omega Red has a few red touch-ups.

And I think this could technically count too since the TFs were a Marvel comic at one point and he was made using an IM2 Hammer Drone.

I love that Optimus. Good job.

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Originally Posted by redx24

They fit horribly the mask less head need something put into it to make it stay on the star-lord body and the ball joint on the jurassicbody is way to big for the helmets hole. But they do sit in place ok if you don't breathe in their direction

I tried different methods for getting heads to fit (like epoxy and putty) and I've found the hot glue works the best. Here's a "how to" I found that explains it:

[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

You're talking about bigotry though in their reasons why. So logic doesn't really factor into the mentalities.

That being said, it is a constant question that comes up. The fantastic 4 are loved, even celebrated but the X-Men are hated. This theme has come up in the old cartoons before too. The 70s ones I mean. Not sure if they've covered it in recent ones. They also did a version of this argument with JJJ on Spider-man in the toons on why he hates Spider-man but other masked heroes like Captain America are okay.

Even stripping away the fake reasonings, it always boils down to bigotry of some kind that has no logical underlying aspect.

Mutants are hated because they are different. Other superheroes are loved because of whatever reason of "normalcy."

^ this, agreed. People on our planet are treated horribly due to genetics... I just read that albinos, including children are being dismembered and murdered in Tanzania because they think their bones contain gold and their parts can be used by witch doctors for various potions... How sad and crazy is that. And of course their was the holocaust and the Hutus and the Tutsis, Bosnia, Cambodia, and a bunch of other crazy genocides.

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

What you need is some nail varnish remover. Doesn't affect the paint job, but a smidge of nail varnish remover on a cotton bud then rub it in the claws till the marker comes off. Works a treat.

I've done that to remove logos off of figures, works pretty well with q tips

[Snowflakian]

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Originally Posted by MUfan97

I do see the point there, but honestly, X-men feels like a concept that would work best outside of a universe full of super powered beings. Not saying that I don't like them existing out there, but even with this explanation, the logic hole is still present(just not as noticeable).

Personally, I feel that's when it works best.
It plays directly into that notion and question of "Why is one accepted, and the other not?"

Because of ignorance and petty reasons that don't really mean anything other than how people justify it to themselves.

We still see it today itself. White celebrities praised even with such horrific deeds in their past they've never atoned for or in some cases still do, while PoC celebrities are reminded of their misdeeds forever, even if they have genuinely grown from their mistakes and literally served their time for them.

And that's not even counting the crap that happens all over the world like several instances mentioned by Kernel above.

[snake5289]

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Originally Posted by Villano

I love that Optimus. Good job.

Thank you. Wish they'd make a War for/Fall of Cybertron movie. I love those games.

[Kernel]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

The X-men in general stayed out of Civil War because they were already being persecuted by parts of the government and therefor considered the registration conflict a waste of time, of course some individuals still showed up and there was a Civil War: X-Men tie-in but they weren't heavy in the main story. The focus was on those vigilantes the public had universally appreciated up until that point. I mainly respect the changes the movie made because it has a much smaller roster of characters compared to the comics. If movie Tony had recruited villains as he had in the comics there would only be like Abomination and Batroc.

I remember when the xmen were just watching seige (I think) on TV and when Normans face started turning green wolverine was like "that was gonna happen eventually, told ya so he's a villain" lol. Sometimes the xmen sit out a battle here and there.

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Originally Posted by Ctonra5669

found the new wave in walmart this morning, only hand enough for two picked up vision and iron spidy. was gonna get gamora but didnt like the paint apps.

That must have been a bad paint job, which is why I'm hesitant to order her online. The paint on the vision I saw was bad.... Fingers crossed he doesn't shoot up to $200 like the old one

[snake5289]

I'm not asking for much. I just want to see this...

...and a fight with Hulk that's as awesome as the one in the Hulk vs Wolverine animated DVD.

[Grippen]

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Originally Posted by Sithlord1963

It's hard but I'm trying to be patient - the Cap with motorcycle is showing up for as little as £7.99 (UK Sterling) with free shipping - expecting the Falcon fig to eventually follow suit and hoping that the BP/Agent 13 start to appear in the next few weeks.

Well I got that Cap set from China, received it on Monday. Problem is that set came out in February so it means it took almost 3 months to be available in China sellers. If the same timeframe is applicable only in September or later we will see those 2 sets. Now the problem is that these were not even seen in "normal" stores unline the Cap set.

[Primacron]

Anyone else think that the articulated 3.75" line might become entirely MCU focused? Keeping 6" legends as the only comic based line.

[jedirulz123]

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Originally Posted by Primacron

Anyone else think that the articulated 3.75" line might become entirely MCU focused? Keeping 6" legends as the only comic based line.

The answer is no. That is a ridiculous notion.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Primacron

Anyone else think that the articulated 3.75" line might become entirely MCU focused? Keeping 6" legends as the only comic based line.

I would hope not but i wouldnt rule that out. I do think they are trying to downplay the 4 inch stuff by price gouging and reducing articulation. I know i havent bought any since the insane price hike above ten bucks.

[Madame Warlock]

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Originally Posted by Snowflakian

Personally, I feel that's when it works best.
It plays directly into that notion and question of "Why is one accepted, and the other not?"

Because of ignorance and petty reasons that don't really mean anything other than how people justify it to themselves.

We still see it today itself. White celebrities praised even with such horrific deeds in their past they've never atoned for or in some cases still do, while PoC celebrities are reminded of their misdeeds forever, even if they have genuinely grown from their mistakes and literally served their time for them.

And that's not even counting the crap that happens all over the world like several instances mentioned by Kernel above.

it's like white girls wearing dreads vs. black girls born with hair that does that naturally

the fact that mutants are more or less "born" different as opposed to created by super science is pretty scary to people. it reveals ancient tampering in humans and unknown potential.

[Madame Warlock]

Little mad that the pack in figure with Lockjaw was Collector and not Kamala Khan.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by Primacron

Anyone else think that the articulated 3.75" line might become entirely MCU focused? Keeping 6" legends as the only comic based line.

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Originally Posted by jedirulz123

The answer is no. That is a ridiculous notion.

Agreed, if anything they're mixing new MCU stuff with the older costumes. It's a good mix actually.

[Captain Nash]

I would just like to see more than 3 waves out a year. It's getting me down and I'm sure I'm not alone.

[kylactus]

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Originally Posted by Madame Warlock

it's like white girls wearing dreads vs. black girls born with hair that does that naturally

the fact that mutants are more or less "born" different as opposed to created by super science is pretty scary to people. it reveals ancient tampering in humans and unknown potential.

I've always looked at it through the Martin Luther King vs. Malcom X analogy, prof.x being the peaceful coexistence advocate, where as magneto was on the militant ( raceist in his own way) camp. And the actions of a few bad mutants made the majority of society nervous and demand they (mutants) be segregated or eliminated. As far as other super powered beings in the MU, inhumans long ago withdrew from society, so at least early on, the public wasn't aware of them, the FF were already famous, ( it would be like Steven hawking and his family getting powers). Iron man is just Steve jobs on a mission, and cap was a well known good guy and war hero whose integrity is beyond reproach, therefore he has built in credibility and I feel like othe super powered people that he vouched for would be automatically accepted by the public at large as good guys. But there are a lot of non mutant "heroes" in the MU that are feared or hunted. Hulk, punisher, DD, spider man. I think it boils down to the fact that vigilantism is technically illegal, but if you lived in a world where some bad people had the power to destroy and kill on scales we seldom see in the real world, and we ( non powered people) had no way of stopping them, a lot of people would probably be willing to look the other way, and some people would want to kill them all out of fear. It's like if you had an illegal gun in your pocket and you saw a woman being violently abused in an alley by several guys, would you use it, knowing you may get in trouble?

[kylactus]

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Originally Posted by Primacron

Anyone else think that the articulated 3.75" line might become entirely MCU focused? Keeping 6" legends as the only comic based line.

I think it's almost opposite of that. After the first avengers movie we haven't gotten a movie line with more than seven figures. And there hasn't been any single carded movie releases sence winter soldier. And all of the exclusive packs have been reprints of old figures. I wish the legends 3.75 would copy the distribution scale and mixed selection of the regular legends line... But I'm starting to think with all the packed shelves, price cuts, and the recent missing wave 6" is about to get a rude awakening. It may be time to " end" ML for a few years again and let the 3.75 flag fly proud again!

[snake5289]

Yeah..while I agree with that last that last statement I'm going to duck and cover just in case.

[Jay West]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

I think it's almost opposite of that. After the first avengers movie we haven't gotten a movie line with more than seven figures. And there hasn't been any single carded movie releases sence winter soldier. And all of the exclusive packs have been reprints of old figures. I wish the legends 3.75 would copy the distribution scale and mixed selection of the regular legends line... But I'm starting to think with all the packed shelves, price cuts, and the recent missing wave 6" is about to get a rude awakening. It may be time to " end" ML for a few years again and let the 3.75 flag fly proud again!

I know there are some hard to find 6 inch figures, but for the most part even the cool ones just peg warm.