[Sender]

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Originally Posted by Il Cattivo

no. he's just asian.

As is everyone in the pic.

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

There is no reason at this point to defend the line, it isn't selling well because it is too expensive and is an inferior product. That could very well change, but to be so naïve and think everyone wants 3.75" toys is foolish.

Most of us understand that the MU doesn't sell as well as ML and for same reasons you've pointed out, price inflation & poor articulation. But as you must have seen from lurking a while, people remain very passionate about MU and continue to appreciate what was and have hopes for what will be. Defending the line and finding ways to improve or continue the line is what that passion inspires us to do given the circumstances.
I'm not making this a 3.75 v 6 argument as i have expressed appreciation of both scales. Because I have more of one over the other is a matter of personal reference than a hate for the other scale. And I'm not alone. While I agree that we may not be the majority and represent 'everyone', we aren't 'foolish' for wanting or continuing to want a 3.75" line.

[D Day]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

Man I have been Lurking hard lately....

Additionally it is really silly to think that the amount of hits these forums receive are any indication of how well specific lines for Hasbro are selling. Plus Marvel Legends were "returned" in 2012 so of course there are going to be far more interest in collectors that have years invested in another line, versus a line that was just starting/returning.


Kernel threw out the best data we can find, and unfortunately if you think about it, it looks like the 6" line is king. I mean in 2016 we saw the 3.75" line rebranded to Legends and the only decent figure to emerge was Gamora in a costume very few wanted. They also brought back the comic packs with a terrible spider-man two pack, a repacked Carol Danvers, and two FN Hyperions... These were all terrible packs IMO, and all hit clearance bins in droves.

As someone who has picked up almost every 6" legends figure from the past two years, I can say that there is no reason to hate them or not like what they are doing, they are releasing some of the best molds we got years ago, simply making them a little bigger. That Warlock wave Cyclops is the spitting image of our 3.75" one
from 2011, his belt even sits too high on his waist just like ours!

There is no reason at this point to defend the line, it isn't selling well because it is too expensive and is an inferior product. That could very well change, but to be so naïve and think everyone wants 3.75" toys is foolish.

Not trying to be a negative Nancy, but step out of your fandom and think like a business. If Hasbro had one of its best years with Stall at the helm for Marvel, do you think they are looking to change the formula?

Also last but not least as it has been said and pointed out numerous times, Hasbro makes a ton of other stuff than just Marvel and I'm sure the sales of 4" and 6" are such small percentages of their profit that to think we the community will influence their business practices is laughable.

I never implied that 4 inch was selling better than 6 inch.

I believe that 4 inch probably sold better than 6 inch when both lines were on par with each other quality wise.

But ever since the articulation cuts, and fewer figures being released per year in 4 inch. Of course the sales of 6 inch would be better than 4 inch, and rightfully so, it's a better product.

I mean, I obviously love 4 inch, but have purchased very few of the absolutely shit figures that they've released since the decline.

To your point, though, the 6 inch quality and character selection has gotten better since 2012, while the 4 inch quality has gotten worse, however interest in the 4 inch (yes, based on hits and replies in the forums) has exceeded the interest in the 6 inch.

And 6 inch had a fan base since the toybiz days which was a couple of years before MU, so if anything, 6 inch should have a bigger fanbase.

I never claimed that everyone wants 4 inch. There is an obvious want for 6 inch and that's fine, I don't collect it, but i know there are people that do and that love it just as much as I love 4 inch.

The only point I've tried to make this entire time, is that there is more interest in 4 inch, than in 6. And that assertion is backed up by the simple numbers.

It's pretty obvious that stall, who, backed up by video evidence, doesn't like 4 inch.

And (just my theory) that he intentionally ran 4 inch into the ground based on that dislike, in an effort to force collectors to make the switch.

And yeah, it's worked. Not surprisingly.

[D Day]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nut

thanks for re-living those 90's memories, D Day! also, the guy left to complete would be -
Yuri Topolov (X-Men/Spider-Man) | Marvel 90's Cartoons Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

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Originally Posted by Primacron

I believe the dude in green is Gremlin:

Thanks for finding that info Bros

[D Day]

Anyway, here's some more appreciation.

My Masters of Evil is waaayy bigger than this, but I ran out of room in the photo.


Masters of Evil

[K Dubious]

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Originally Posted by Sender

While I agree that we may not be the majority and represent 'everyone', we aren't 'foolish' for wanting or continuing to want a 3.75" line.

I would have never purchased a legends figure if MU was still thriving, but I did not feel like I was getting what I paid for at $13.

My opinion at this point would be to kill the line. I won't support the decisions that have been made, and I won't continue to spend good money on inferior products. I will likely pick up what I want at Five Below or Big Lots as those seem like the best deals on our line, and as someone who is only missing the unproduced samples and maybe two variants it I hard to say that I will no longer collect, but if something changes for the better I will be there to support it again.

[Il Cattivo]

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Originally Posted by Sender

As is everyone in the pic.

mu is the only full asian. ml is marvel legends. dwight's half asian, half marvel legends. marvel legends from the waist down.

[Autobot_Goldbug]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nut

thanks for re-living those 90's memories, D Day! also, the guy left to complete would be -
Yuri Topolov (X-Men/Spider-Man) | Marvel 90's Cartoons Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

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Originally Posted by D Day

Thanks for finding that info Bros

Gremlin is Gargoyle's son.

We need MORE pics!

[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by D Day

Anyway, here's some more appreciation.

My Masters of Evil is waaayy bigger than this, but I ran out of room in the photo.


Masters of Evil

that's slick D

[LordMudd]

I got my Extreme Playsets in. Set the first one up for some test shots. This is half of the set.







CCC.

[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by D Day

And 6 inch had a fan base since the toybiz days which was a couple of years before MU, so if anything, 6 inch should have a bigger fanbase.

Yeah, especially considering the fan support from YouTube back when MU was dominant. Heck, it's easy to see that the only reason 6 inch dropped off in the first place was because the line lost many important factors, like certain points of articulation.






WAIT A MINUTE.
Dramatic Chipmunk - YouTube


Does anyone else smell it?

[K Dubious]

Super cool Goliath!

I painted an old Toybiz Giantman into Goliath and Made a custom Titania for Samson a couple years ago. He posted a great pic of them back then I will see if I can find it somehow.

I will always and forever appreciate Marvel 3.75" I just don't think we can change the current state of the line, unfortunately.

EDIT FOUND IT

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Originally Posted by samsson37

K Dub you inspired me to show some of the new guys some of mine. Giving the Villains some love. We may never see some of these guys :-(

To be clear I only did Goliath, Titania, and Purple Man

[LordMudd]

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Originally Posted by D Day

It's pretty obvious that stall, who, backed up by video evidence, doesn't like 4 inch.

And (just my theory) that he intentionally ran 4 inch into the ground based on that dislike, in an effort to force collectors to make the switch.

And yeah, it's worked. Not surprisingly.

I have not and I never will, and it is simple numbers. I simply do not have room to do with 6" what I do with 4". Because he failed to convert me, I say that makes him a failure. Anybody else he failed out there?


CCC.

[Sender]

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

I would have never purchased a legends figure if MU was still thriving, but I did not feel like I was getting what I paid for at $13.

My opinion at this point would be to kill the line. I won't support the decisions that have been made, and I won't continue to spend good money on inferior products. I will likely pick up what I want at Five Below or Big Lots as those seem like the best deals on our line, and as someone who is only missing the unproduced samples and maybe two variants it I hard to say that I will no longer collect, but if something changes for the better I will be there to support it again.

I respect that and agree with not wanting to buy inferior products at a $13 price point. Personally I've found the $20 two packs better value and have bought them for characters previously unproduced. The same reasons I've bought ML. I'm a fan of action figures in general and love having physical reminders of my favorite comics, movies, games, and animation series. 3.75", while having a childhood nostalgic element, doesn't take as much real estate and have more vehicle/playset/display options.
No doubt, change is a necessity for the MU, be it better articulation, better price point, or both. The Star Wars 5 poa line has superior sculpting, less articulation, and for less money while still looking great for display. Perhaps MU could take a page there too. Superheroes have never been as popular as it is today and yet to have a drought in our scale only presses the issue. While I may not know the best practical route for MU, I do know I'd hate to see it sink with JOE this year. Any hiatus or 'rest' does not necessarily guarantee a revival or rebirth.

[Sender]

Another great pic, D Day!

Always wondered about those Extreme Sets. Thanks, Lord Mudd.

Great customs, K Dubious!

[kostej]

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Originally Posted by Il Cattivo

its dead.

That is like the fifth message from you about MU line being dead. Yeah. We get it. There is no need to rub that into our faces any more.

[D Day]

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Originally Posted by Autobot_Goldbug

Gremlin is Gargoyle's son.

We need MORE pics!

I'm working on it!!

But I'm trying not to just photo bomb so they don't get lost in the shuffle.

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I got my Extreme Pl

aysets in. Set the first one up for some test shots. This is half of the set.
CCC.

Yeah those actually look pretty good, they are designed for 6 inch scale, but at least that set looks like it works with MU

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Originally Posted by MUfan97

Yeah, especially considering the fan support from YouTube back when MU was dominant. Heck, it's easy to see that the only reason 6 inch dropped off in the first place was because the line lost many important factors, like certain points of articulation.

Legends never lost any articulation??

It's not like MU, which started out ok, got way better, and then took 10 steps back with terrible figures and reduced articulation.

Legends was basically the same articulation wise, and people just lost interest in it. And for me personally a lot of those early legends figures suck fat ones. Especially a lot of the females, those face sculpts and make up paint are the stuff of nightmares.

But guys like shartimis who had loud voices and a youtube presence, would bitch and complain about MU, having better articulation than legends did. I can't remember what video it is specifically, but I remember watching a MU review video he was doing and he's crying that he wishes legends had rocker ankles and awesome articulation like MU.

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

Super cool Goliath!

I painted an old Toybiz Giantman into Goliath and Made a custom Titania for Samson a couple years ago.

Thanks bro

And always cool to see others take on characters.

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I have not and I never will, and it is simple numbers. I simply do not have room to do with 6" what I do with 4". Because he failed to convert me, I say that makes him a failure. Anybody else he failed out there?


CCC.

I'll never be a six inch collector, for a few different reasons.

One of those reasons is stall himself

[En Sabah Nut]

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Originally Posted by ukmu

...Was in the forbidden closet of doom ...where no man dare tread...found TWO more HYDRA guys I didn't know we had...They were in very old bags, like three years ago or more since we've used those kinds of bags. Super stoked about that.

is your pen name Stephen King??

taking a visual turn...

[Il Cattivo]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nut

taking a visual turn...

that makes no sense.

the original is more accurate. fact.

[MUfan97]

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Originally Posted by D Day

Legends never lost any articulation??

It's not like MU, which started out ok, got way better, and then took 10 steps back with terrible figures and reduced articulation.

Legends was basically the same articulation wise, and people just lost interest in it. And for me personally a lot of those early legends figures suck fat ones. Especially a lot of the females, those face sculpts and make up paint are the stuff of nightmares.

Eh, the Legends line DID lose articulation on newer molds when Hasbro first took over, though it was never as severe as what 3.75 got. That's part of why 6 inch collectors complained at the time(plus MU was legitimately better at the time, which got 6 inch loyalists mad like we are now).

[D Day]

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Originally Posted by kostej

That is like the fifth message from you about MU line being dead. Yeah. We get it. There is no need to rub that into our faces any more.

I'm pretty sure, based on his latest posts that
Il Cattivo is in fact dwight stall

[Il Cattivo]

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Originally Posted by D Day

I'm pretty sure, based on his latest posts that
Il Cattivo is in fact dwight stall

nah..but we're both similar from the waist down.. maybe that's why you thought I was him when you saw me.

[En Sabah Nut]

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Originally Posted by LordMudd

I got my Extreme Playsets in. Set the first one up for some test shots. This is half of the set.

man, these sets are huge!

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Originally Posted by K Dubious

Goliath, Titania, and Purple Man

very nice customs, Dubious one!

[En Sabah Nut]

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Originally Posted by Il Cattivo

that makes no sense.

the original is more accurate. fact.

it's more of a choice

[K Dubious]

I'm a Taurus, but I'm not so stubborn to ignore great toys just because they took away toys I would rather collect.

Why would anyone feel the need to be loyal to a specific scale of action figures???

If anyone has seen my MU display/collection videos I say exactly what all of you are expressing. The appeal of 3.75 is that you can create huge displays in a small space, plus have vehicles and play sets all together. Unless space is not an issue you could never do the same with Marvel Legends. I will always prefer MU over ML, but if MU no longer exists what's a collector to do?

Thanks for the compliments, I want us all to be able to enjoy these damn pieces of plastic, I mean they are pretty cool!

[Il Cattivo]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nut

it's more of a choice

the good ol' days...