[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

I don't think people want a wave of all MCU characters. Just a wave of all Black Panther related characters. Can be from the MCU or the comic.

I'd recommend looking at that suggested wave I posted a couple of pages back. A solid mix of MCU and comic figures, with two A-listers included for good measure, a fan-requested villain redo, the main villain from the movie (who could probably sell well based on the fact that he's one of the hottest actors in Hollywood) and a supporting character with an interesting and unique design.

That wave right there would be stronger than the Doctor Strange wave they released last year, so I don't know why people think making a wave full of all Black Panther characters is some impossible task.

That sounds doable, however a wave of JUST black panther MCU characters would be a flop.. i originally thought that was the whole basis of this arguement..

Mcu BP,mcu supporting cast ONLY one, and the rest of the wave BP comic based characters would be most feasible

[xjuza]

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Originally Posted by AFU

On the BP wave...I can see that there seems to be a problem!...Is it common sense thinking for most of us to think that Hasbro would make a MCU ML wave with the characters who are actually star in that same MCU movie? Common sense is not so common, in this case and other, it seems when it comes to Hasbro!..Another case in point, where is Heimdall?

Note: Don't underestimate the selling value of obscure or characters who are not headlines...Borr, Thor (JF), Superior Spider, Spider Venom, Warlock, Space Venom, Cosmic Spiderman, Mlles Morales, Angela, Drax, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, and Scourge are Marvel characters that I never really new about until Marvel Legends promoted and produced them...And, sometimes it does matter which character Marvel Legends chooses to produce, but what end product looks like matter more...For instance, I'm not really a MCU Marvel Legends fan, but MCU Hulk Buster and Black Panther were made so well, I had no choice but to add them to my collection...When I choose a figure to purchase, I must like the story line and the background of the character, then I must like the visuals, how well the figure is made to represent the likeness of the superhero or villain...

Note Il: Rants, complaints, and critiques on Marvel Legends are valuable for all of us...It keeps Hasbro on its toes before it produces the final product, And it aids me in choosing which figures I will purchase and which figures to stay clear of because they have defective joints, bad paint apps, weak articulation, etc...

Keep ranting, complaining, and critiquing Arkers, and thank you all Arkers for your opinion because your advice is better than all the experts, when it's comes to reviewing and picking the best of the Marvel Legends line.

so rant and complain til black bolt and namor are black characters?my whole point wasnt characters being obscure but white characters being in the wave , it kinda sidetracted this far cause people were defending views of BP wave being made up of all black characters when summed up.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

I don't think anybody here has made the argument that Hasbro/Disney/Marvel/whoever is going out of their way to not include black characters in the wave.


I think, more than likely, they simply don't realize or understand the significance the movie has culturally within the superhero movie market. All over Facebook/Twitter/Instagram, I see other black people getting excited to see this movie due to the predominantly black cast, but then when you walk into Wal-Mart to pick up figures from the movie you see.....Namor? Iron-Man? Black Bolt?!

I'm cool with an Illuminati Wave of Legends, but it shouldn't replace an actual Black Panther wave.

The implication is there every time someone points out that Black Bolt and Namor are two white guys, and mention the lack of diversity in the wave.

People are also quick to point out characters that fit the diversity bill that should be in the wave, but over look the other reasons why Hasbro might have chosen more popular heroes to put in the wave instead.

But I don't think what's happening here is any different than Doctor Strange's wave, which was filled out with 3 different versions of Strange himself and 3 comic book characters who only kinda sorta are related to Strange because they also do magic, but probably got made because Hasbro felt they'd be better themed here than making other side characters from Dr. Strange's history like movie/comic Wong or a comic Cleo. It's called the Dr. Strange wave, but the truth was it was really a "Magic and Mysticism wave featuring Dr. Strange", much like this Black Panther wave is really the "Illuminati wave featuring Black Panther".

[Riddick]

That Apocalypse is fantastic!

I really hope we get a new Gambit in that wave. Be cool to get a variant of him as the Death Horseman like in the comics. I also want Nate Grey/X-Man!

New Mr. Sinister.

Beast.

Psylocke!

Magneto worth having.

The Black Panther wave everyone is arguing about. I wouldn't have bought any of the MCU Black Panther figures, just don't care. I will buy Black Bolt and Namor though!! Few friend collectors will also but couldn't care less about Black Panther MCU.

I mean seriously, a random character from Black Panther MCU or the Black Bolt figure that I've wanted since the Comic Con exclusive came out a few years ago...... BLACK BOLT!

[redfox]

Apparently, Hasbro has released the stills online from yesterday's panel. Hopefully Toyark will have them up soon.

Also for those interested, Diamond Select Toys is having their toy panel @ 3:00. I know some folks supplement their Legends with the larger Marvel Select figures.

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

The implication is there every time someone points out that Black Bolt and Namor are two white guys, and mention the lack of diversity in the wave.

I'm not implying it. I'm flat out saying it. I don't think Hasbro willfully intended not to use cast or black characters, but they are so targeted on their "what sells" game plan they don't think about potential problems that could cause.

Again I'll say I will be surprised if mainstream media doesn't pick up on this one.

[Riddick]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

I'm not implying it. I'm flat out saying it. I don't think Hasbro willfully intended not to use cast or black characters, but they are so targeted on their "what sells" game plan they don't think about potential problems that could cause.

Again I'll say I will be surprised if mainstream media doesn't pick up on this one.

mountain-molehill by allen lamb, on Flickr

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by Riddick

mountain-molehill by allen lamb, on Flickr

Or just a difference of opinion. Which is also okay.

Funny picture though.

[SymbiSpidey]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

The implication is there every time someone points out that Black Bolt and Namor are two white guys, and mention the lack of diversity in the wave.

People are also quick to point out characters that fit the diversity bill that should be in the wave, but over look the other reasons why Hasbro might have chosen more popular heroes to put in the wave instead.

But I don't think what's happening here is any different than Doctor Strange's wave, which was filled out with 3 different versions of Strange himself and 3 comic book characters who only kinda sorta are related to Strange because they also do magic, but probably got made because Hasbro felt they'd be better themed here than making other side characters from Dr. Strange's history like movie/comic Wong or a comic Cleo. It's called the Dr. Strange wave, but the truth was it was really a "Magic and Mysticism wave featuring Dr. Strange", much like this Black Panther wave is really the "Illuminati wave featuring Black Panther".

That Doctor Strange wave was heavily based in Doctor Strange lore though. We got 3 different versions of Strange, Baron Mordo from the movie and Brother Voodoo. That's 5 figures that are deeply connected to Doctor Strange, and that's without even discussing the BAF who's Strange's archnemesis.

Furthermore, from my understanding, BP is a fairly recent member of the Illuminati, no? He wasn't part of the initial roster. Furthermore, that iteration of the Illuminati doesn't even exist in the comics anymore. And to top it all off, when Namor was part of the team he was wearing his modern costume, not the classic one, which is what we're getting.

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

The implication is there every time someone points out that Black Bolt and Namor are two white guys, and mention the lack of diversity in the wave.

People are also quick to point out characters that fit the diversity bill that should be in the wave, but over look the other reasons why Hasbro might have chosen more popular heroes to put in the wave instead.

But I don't think what's happening here is any different than Doctor Strange's wave, which was filled out with 3 different versions of Strange himself and 3 comic book characters who only kinda sorta are related to Strange because they also do magic, but probably got made because Hasbro felt they'd be better themed here than making other side characters from Dr. Strange's history like movie/comic Wong or a comic Cleo. It's called the Dr. Strange wave, but the truth was it was really a "Magic and Mysticism wave featuring Dr. Strange", much like this Black Panther wave is really the "Illuminati wave featuring Black Panther".

i agree !!! just because the character and movie is about a black character and cast doesn't necessarily mean every toy in the wave needs to be a black action figure and or character. as i said in my prior post it is odd to have those two particular characters in the BP wave, however hasbro is looking at the business prospective of things. some people will buy black bolt and some will buy namor. that's just how it is. once again this is a TOY LINE for CHILDREN. not men in their mid 20s to late 40s.... it just so happens some of us middle age guys like these and collect these too.

[xjuza]

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

That Doctor Strange wave was heavily based in Doctor Strange lore though. We got 3 different versions of Strange, Baron Mordo from the movie and Brother Voodoo. That's 5 figures that are deeply connected to Doctor Strange, and that's without even discussing the BAF who's Strange's archnemesis.

Furthermore, from my understanding, BP is a fairly recent member of the Illuminati, no? He wasn't part of the initial roster.

no but he has been in the avengers so whats your point?

[hasbroherofan]

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

Anybody else want a MCU villain filler wave? Wouldn't that be nice? Doesn't even have to be a full wave with a BAF, it could just be like a half wave or whatever. Characters like Crossbones from Civil War, Yellowjacket, Ultron on his own (maybe battle damage deco), Herman Schultz Shocker (don't think we're getting one at the moment), Ronan, and a Chitauri for army-building. If they had to throw in a BAF it could be the Chitauri chariot or maybe a new actually in-scale Iron Monger (the individual 6" figure from the first movie is technically too small). It's fun to dream.

It's a crime we never got Yellowjacket. Though at the panel last night they did say the door isn't necessarily closed on past movie villains.

[Veronica Mars]

3 Deadpools in the Deadpool wave with the other 4 characters. Can't wait to see who the BAF will be

[SymbiSpidey]

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Originally Posted by xjuza

no but he has been in the avengers so whats your point?

Nearly every major Marvel superhero has been in some iteration of The Avengers at some point, unless you're one of a few X-Men.


It'd be easier to list the characters who haven't been Avengers. Avengers membership isn't special enough to justify filling an entire wave with Avengers characters unless it's a Cap or Avengers wave.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

3 Deadpools in the Deadpool wave with the other 4 characters. Can't wait to see who the BAF will be

Please be grizzly!

[Spyne98]

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Originally Posted by Riddick

That Apocalypse is fantastic!

I really hope we get a new Gambit in that wave. Be cool to get a variant of him as the Death Horseman like in the comics. I also want Nate Grey/X-Man!

New Mr. Sinister.

Beast.

Psylocke!

Magneto worth having.

I'd take a new Gambit and everyone else on your list. I would LOVE a Nate Grey figure.

[Veronica Mars]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Please be grizzly!

That wouldn't be terrible. All we know for sure is they said it wasn't Guido

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

I'd take a new Gambit and everyone else on your list. I would LOVE a Nate Grey figure.

I'd really like a new Nightcrawler

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

I'd take a new Gambit and everyone else on your list. I would LOVE a Nate Grey figure.

As long as theres no tatum resemblance I would love a new gambit. And i too would love a nate grey. Just please make it his aoa costume.

[SymbiSpidey]

Let it also be known that I'm very excited to have updated versions of the core Illuminati members (we still need an updated Professor X), but I think they could have been included elsewhere. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to classic Namor being the sole Illuminati member in the BP wave as I don't know where else you'd fit him unless he gets his own movie. Black Bolt and Medusa could have easily been a two-pack. We already have probably hundreds of Iron-Men out and none of the comic ones are particularly great. Regardless, Hasbro clearly has no shortage of ways of shoehorning Iron-Man in somewhere if they need to.

[Spyne98]

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Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

That wouldn't be terrible. All we know for sure is they said it wasn't Guido


I'd really like a new Nightcrawler

Grizzly would be cool! I'd dig a Nightcrawler too.

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

As long as theres no tatum resemblance I would love a new gambit. And i too would love a nate grey. Just please make it his aoa costume.

Hahaha, you're right my friend.
As for Nate, 100% AoA!

[SymbiSpidey]

Also holy shit, I didn't realize how dirt cheap the Abomination wave is, which is pretty funny considering I've only seen it like once at retail.


Secret Wars Cap is like 4 bucks on Amazon, and Eel is 9. I might have to pull the trigger on that.

[MeLikeJinx]

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Originally Posted by sh002

Close to finishing the team by mixing in old and new ML. The ones coming in are X-Force Psylocke that I'll repaint, Marvel Select Colossus, and Toy Biz ML Iceman. I'm going to try the hoverchair mod for Toy Biz ML Professor X. All I need is a new Storm in white costume. The Toy Biz version's head is too small and the figure is probably too short. If Hasbro released a new Beast, Gambit, Colossus, Iceman, or Professor X with Jim Lee era looks then I'd buy them too.

So Nice! What's wrong with the new ML Iceman though? I pretty much am only buying early 90's versions of ML X-men myself. Also gonna pick up a Select Colossus as well and just pose him so that he appears shorter. Oh... and Archangel seems to be missing from the shot too.

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Originally Posted by xjuza

i think if they do an update jean she should have that ponytail look

I agree! But only because I missed X-men Jean the first time around and want another shot at her... any version, as long as she is wearing her 90's X-men outfit.

[Spyne98]

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Originally Posted by SymbiSpidey

Also holy shit, I didn't realize how dirt cheap the Abomination wave is, which is pretty funny considering I've only seen it like once at retail.


Secret Wars Cap is like 4 bucks on Amazon, and Eel is 9. I might have to pull the trigger on that.

Go for it. I really like both those figures.

[Trivial Psychic]

What is so odd about Namor and Black Bolt being in the wave? Hasbro expressed it as clear as day yesterday during the panel. They picked out two characters, whom like Black Panther, were kings of their respective nations. Black Bolt being the king of the Inhumans and Namor being the King of Atlantis.

Characters that have spotty tie ins to other characters are released all the time. Iron Fist isn't a magician and Enchantress has little to do with Dr. Strange. Misty Knight doesn't have much to do with Spider-Man. Bulldozer and Tiger Shark don't solo battle Ant Man on a regular basis last I checked. Outside of being a street hero, what does Moon Knight have to do with Spider-Man?

Again, Black Bolt and Namor are part of the wave. They were picked because like Black Panther...they are kings. Hasbro made this very clear during their presentation. They were probably also picked because as a few have stated, sales will more likely be better for these two than if they were to hand pick some side character from BP's gallery, because honestly, those characters are not as well known as some would like to believe.

I'm sure that the Inhumans television show also played a hand in the selection, as we are also getting a re-release of Medusa as well. Marvel doesn't want the group that was supposed to "phase out" the X-Men to bomb miserably, especially with all the negative press on Inhumans as is from the community, as well as with Fox going full head of steam with their own mutant plans.

I'm also willing to bet that if a new Dr Doom, himself a leader of a nation and thus would fit in with the "king" theme Hasbro was talking about, was a part of this wave, there would be a lot less complaining, but that's neither here nor there.

You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. It's also not this huge racial conspiracy either. Just simply business and marketing decisions. If the BP movie is a runaway success, then I'm sure we'll see more characters included at some point. If it's a bomb, Hasbro will simply thank their lucky stars that they dodged a bunch of possible peg-warming bullets, as well as spare us the "joy" of seeing pegs full of M'baku lining the aisles for months while we search for the newest X-men wave, complaining all the while that our stores aren't doing enough to get new product on the shelves. Let's move on...

[Riddick]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

Go for it. I really like both those figures.

I just wanted Secret Wars Cap for 4 and Captain Britain for 5 but to ship Prime had to add 15 more bucks.

Found them on Wal-Mart.com 1 dollar cheaper and did free store shipping for wife to pick up.

Great deal!