[frodotrout]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

Bob Layton penciled the entire classic " Armor wars" arc & he drew the original version of the armor that replaced the SC armor with the slim downed gloved/boots. It was John Romita Jr who started drawing that armor with the silly space gloves & clown boots.

bob layton is the man when it comes to iron man, he drew the definitive version of shell head, his is the iron man i grew up with, hasbro released a version of his a while back as part of a two pack with sharon carter, came with an unmasked head also, of all the iron man figures i have, and i have alot, that one is still my favorite

[Spyne98]

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Originally Posted by frodotrout

bob layton is the man when it comes to iron man, he drew the definitive version of shell head, his is the iron man i grew up with, hasbro released a version of his a while back as part of a two pack with sharon carter, came with an unmasked head also, of all the iron man figures i have, and i have alot, that one is still my favorite

I love his art! Totally some of the best versions of Iron Man, in my opinion. I'm thinking about selling most of my Iron Man figures, but I will keep the ones that look like his designs.

[frodotrout]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

I love his art! Totally some of the best versions of Iron Man, in my opinion. I'm thinking about selling most of my Iron Man figures, but I will keep the ones that look like his designs.

yes, if i let all my figures of iron man go, his version will be the one i keep

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Cartoon is NOT live action. I guess I should have specified since clearly people can't figure out the 18 years for themselves.

I knew what you were talking about. Y'all need to ease up and pull the stick out.

But in all seriousness, waiting on a fully accurate adaptation in live action is really just grinding your own teeth to no avail. Even the best adaptations have taken quite a few liberties in the name of delivering a good overall package, when compared to the source material.

Seriously, if you can't enjoy the adaptation on its own, without beholding it to the original, then the adaptation just isn't for you. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's called personal taste, and if people didn't have it, we'd be up the creek.

I'm not going to try and say the movies are gold, by any means. Even the post-First Class ones have their flaws (though nowhere near The Last Stand, no matter your opinions on Apocalypse). But they're entertaining and, for the most part, capture a lot of the feel of the comics. Even the first two movies have some of that.

Looking exactly like the comics just isn't an option nowadays, because quite frankly, they wouldn't live up to expectations. Heck, they wouldn't even make sense in-context half the time - using Blink as an example, how would her sash/loincloth be practical in any way, shape, or form, especially for a character as acrobatic and fast-moving as her? She'd get tangled up in her own aesthetic and biff it.

Seriously, if you want characters in motion to look exactly like they do in the comics, animation is almost your only option, because there, they're not bound to anything real-world (like physics or practicality).

[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

JRJR's body of work is far better than Layton's whether one is regarding the beginning, middle, or even his current illustrations. Layton doesn't have many artist credits outside of Iron Man and a couple of Hercules mini-series runs. In the 80s, Layton was largely an inker; I wouldn't compare him to genuine talents like JRJR any more than I would a Klaus Janson or Terry Austin (hell, Layton wasn't even as good of an 'inker' as those two). Whether you like him personally, or not, does not change the amount of fandom JRJR drew nor the sheer number of books he's penciled. Layton, simply put, is not remotely in Romita's atmosphere, let alone class and that's why he was never afforded the opportunity to work on as many books as John Romita Jr. You may personally elevate Layton above JRJR, but neither the comic industry nor fanbase saw it that way...

TBM......aka...spirit crusher....lol

[Parademon1]

I never said Layton was the more popular or had a better body of work I said, IMO, he was the best artist when it came to drawing IM back then. JRJR & his dad are legends, I actually like his dad's pencils better. His Hulk, Conan, Avengers renditions were off the charts! But when JRJR changed his artistic style to what it is now, I was thinking to myself, "why did he do that"? His original art style was awesome. IMO, the best IM artists ever were early JRJR, Perez, Byrne & Layton. They drew him in perfect proportions, build, hgt, etc. IM was never huge when armored up. He never was drawn nowhere near Thor's listed 6'6 hgt. He & Cap were drawn as being the same hgt the vast majority of the time by these 4 artists. Cap is 6'2, that's what Tony's hgt , once in the armor was as well. This magical 4-5 inch increase in size is laughable. The armor was always form fitting to his body. mu 616 Stark was listed as being 6ft so you figure in armor, 6'2 would be right as an inch of boot space & inch of helmet space, but 2-3 inches of space on both boots & helmet is BS. But then again, a lot of you are going by the artistic license todays artist take with the hgts of characters and are fine with it. Hence 7ft Hulk is now close to 9ft tall as is the Thing who was always just 6ft tall but is now drawn Hulk sized.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

But in all seriousness, waiting on a fully accurate adaptation in live action is really just grinding your own teeth to no avail. Even the best adaptations have taken quite a few liberties in the name of delivering a good overall package, when compared to the source material.

But I'm not expecting 100% adaptations, I just want them to wear freaking costumes. I want Wolverine wearing his yellow and brown outfit with a mask on. I want Phoenix wearing her green and gold outfit. Cyclops to wear blue and yellow. THey don't have to be 100% identical to the comics, but I am tired of plain clothed super heroes.

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Seriously, if you can't enjoy the adaptation on its own, without beholding it to the original, then the adaptation just isn't for you.

You're right on this end because X3 and Apocalypse would have been bad movies whether they had their costumes or not. At least Apocalypse would have felt threatening though.

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they're not bound to anything real-world (like physics or practicality).

Because people with super abilities are so realistic.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

TBM......aka...spirit crusher....lol

Heh, since when has providing factual information become soul crushing?

I know it's become fashionable to bash JRJR, but I'll not be party to revisionist history. Has there been an abatement of skills due to age, attrition, and general boredom (seemingly so, from an outside perspective...I've no way of truly knowing if he's bored or not)? Without a doubt, JRJR is in decline and has been for some time now. All great artists lose steam in their twilight years; Byrne, Perez, Miller were no different. However, there's a reason why JRJR was on everything from the mid-80s into the late 90s; he was, unequivocally, the man. Nearly every hot title and poignant story arc for nearly a twenty year stretch that has been recalled fondly by masses of fans, has had JRJR's stamp on it at one point or another (some, had multiple stints of his art). Contest of the Champions, Spider-Man, Xmen, Punisher, Daredevil, Thor, Hulk etc. The disparagement of his work that I've seen recently smacks of a faux and disingenuous discernment, almost an attempt to be purposefully contrarian to provide the illusion of 'good taste' in comic art. Make no mistake, JRJR was the artistic pulse of Marvel for a very long time. Trying to discredit his contribution is a fool's errand. lol...oh dear, there I go again! "Did I do that???"

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

I never said Layton was the more popular or had a better body of work I said, IMO, he was the best artist when it came to drawing IM back then. JRJR & his dad are legends, I actually like his dad's pencils better. His Hulk, Conan, Avengers renditions were off the charts! But when JRJR changed his artistic style to what it is now, I was thinking to myself, "why did he do that"? His original art style was awesome. IMO, the best IM artists ever were early JRJR, Perez, Byrne & Layton. They drew him in perfect proportions, build, hgt, etc. IM was never huge when armored up. He never was drawn nowhere near Thor's listed 6'6 hgt. He & Cap were drawn as being the same hgt the vast majority of the time by these 4 artists. Cap is 6'2, that's what Tony's hgt , once in the armor was as well. This magical 4-5 inch increase in size is laughable. The armor was always form fitting to his body. mu 616 Stark was listed as being 6ft so you figure in armor, 6'2 would be right as an inch of boot space & inch of helmet space, but 2-3 inches of space on both boots & helmet is BS. But then again, a lot of you are going by the artistic license todays artist take with the hgts of characters and are fine with it. Hence 7ft Hulk is now close to 9ft tall as is the Thing who was always just 6ft tall but is now drawn Hulk sized.

You're falling back a little there, man....That is not what you said and to complicate matters, you've appropriated elements of what others actually said with a more acceptable (yet, still arguable) spin. This seems like a pretty declarative statement, to me: "I beg to differ on John Jr being better than Layton." For the record - John Romita Jr was/is/will always be a better artist than Bob Layton. That's no blemish on Bob Layton's legacy (if you can call it that) given the stature of JRJR. It's also not a terrible slight to suggest that Bob Layton's inking skills fall short of Janson and Austin considering they might just be the #1 & 2 top inkers of all time. Even when applying the myopic lens of 'just Iron Man art,' the argument doesn't meet muster. JRJR's art on Doomquest alone, makes Layton's entire run look like kid's stuff. Look, I like Bob. I own TPBs of Armor Wars: Prologue, Armor Wars, and both Herc minis. Bob was a great cover-artist, but that was about it. He penciled a great looking Iron Man (and Herc), but everything else looked like poop (or "caca"...to borrow your parlance and keep it "Bori"). Layton could not carry the art for an entire book IMO and I can only imagine that was the reason why he didn't get more work. Not trying to be heavy handed on you, man (don't pay any attention to Dark - he's just kicking up dust )...I just think comparing Layton to JRJR is absurd.

...but we do agree on some things, namely, the legendary status of JRSR and JRJR...

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Because people with super abilities are so realistic.

I'm only responding to this because this is such a cop-out response.

You can make plenty of super powers with special effects.

It's not as easy with clothes. Or have people forgotten about Green Lantern?

When filming REAL PEOPLE, in the REAL WORLD, you have to deal with REAL PHYSICS. You can touch things up, sure, but there's still real forces at work to take into consideration when filming.

/off-topic

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

I'm only responding to this because this is such a cop-out response.

You can make plenty of super powers with special effects.

It's not as easy with clothes. Or have people forgotten about Green Lantern?

When filming REAL PEOPLE, in the REAL WORLD, you have to deal with REAL PHYSICS. You can touch things up, sure, but there's still real forces at work to take into consideration when filming.

/off-topic

*cough* DEADPOOL DID IT *cough*

[SuperiorSpidey]

Any of you guys pre-order the gamestop exclusive deadpool? I pre-ordered 2 of them so I can open one and keep the other in the box. I was thinking about buying more so I could mod or use the parts for other figures.

[Augustus_Cole]

that Deadpool is stupid and a cash grab and a dumb looking repaint and makes no sense and yes I ordered one

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

that Deadpool is stupid and a cash grab and a dumb looking repaint and makes no sense and yes I ordered one

Did you order the 12" also?

[SuperiorSpidey]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

that Deadpool is stupid and a cash grab and a dumb looking repaint and makes no sense and yes I ordered one

Yep even though I could care less about the character he'd be nice to have on the shelf and he's spidey related because of the symbiote. I had totally forgot about the hascon that went on the website and by the time I remembered, he was gone .

[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Did you order the 12" also?

Nope...now that thing for REAL...is ...just not attractive..ha

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSpidey

Yep even though I could care less about the character he'd be nice to have on the shelf and he's spidey related because of the symbiote.

yeah i'm kinda like...just get it. If i don't want it later..just sell it. Better to have and not need than need and not have.
**where the word NEED is relative to the any actual NEED for a plastic toy ;o)

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Did you order the 12" also?

Heehee..... Im sure he had no intrest in 12"

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Heehee..... Im sure he had no intrest in 12"

uhhhh...you're getting worse...

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

uhhhh...you're getting worse...

Hey the voices from my action figures tell me i'm just fine thank you. heh heh

[Weapon X]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

But I'm not expecting 100% adaptations, I just want them to wear freaking costumes. I want Wolverine wearing his yellow and brown outfit with a mask on. I want Phoenix wearing her green and gold outfit. Cyclops to wear blue and yellow. THey don't have to be 100% identical to the comics, but I am tired of plain clothed super heroes.

I can relate on an emotional level.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

It's not as easy with clothes. Or have people forgotten about Green Lantern?

The problem with GL was they CGI'd everything.

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When filming REAL PEOPLE, in the REAL WORLD, you have to deal with REAL PHYSICS. You can touch things up, sure, but there's still real forces at work to take into consideration when filming.

Oh bullshit. A movie does not require real physics, that's why it's a movie. A movie about super powered beings most certainly does not need to be grounded in reality. When I want to watch a movie grounded in reality, I've got Logan Lucky, American Gangster, The Shawshank Redemption, Double Indemnity, Touch of Evil, The Third Man, The Maltese Falcon, LA Confidential, etc. When I watch a movie about super heroes with super powers, I expect to see physics that defy logic because it's a movie about super heroes. That's the whole point.

Plus, I fail to see why X-Men should be required to be realistic while Fast and the Furious is allowed to have cars driving across sky scrapers, wrecking tanks, flipping over glaciers, etc and no one bats an eye.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

When I watch a movie about super heroes with super powers, I expect to see physics that defy logic because it's a movie about super heroes. That's the whole point.

Plus, I fail to see why X-Men should be required to be realistic while Fast and the Furious is allowed to have cars driving across sky scrapers, wrecking tanks, flipping over glaciers, etc and no one bats an eye.

Hell, in Civil War Spider-Man makes a joke about Cap's shield ignoring the laws of physics.

[Parademon1]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Heh, since when has providing factual information become soul crushing?

I know it's become fashionable to bash JRJR, but I'll not be party to revisionist history. Has there been an abatement of skills due to age, attrition, and general boredom (seemingly so, from an outside perspective...I've no way of truly knowing if he's bored or not)? Without a doubt, JRJR is in decline and has been for some time now. All great artists lose steam in their twilight years; Byrne, Perez, Miller were no different. However, there's a reason why JRJR was on everything from the mid-80s into the late 90s; he was, unequivocally, the man. Nearly every hot title and poignant story arc for nearly a twenty year stretch that has been recalled fondly by masses of fans, has had JRJR's stamp on it at one point or another (some, had multiple stints of his art). Contest of the Champions, Spider-Man, Xmen, Punisher, Daredevil, Thor, Hulk etc. The disparagement of his work that I've seen recently smacks of a faux and disingenuous discernment, almost an attempt to be purposefully contrarian to provide the illusion of 'good taste' in comic art. Make no mistake, JRJR was the artistic pulse of Marvel for a very long time. Trying to discredit his contribution is a fool's errand. lol...oh dear, there I go again! "Did I do that???"



You're falling back a little there, man....That is not what you said and to complicate matters, you've appropriated elements of what others actually said with a more acceptable (yet, still arguable) spin. This seems like a pretty declarative statement, to me: "I beg to differ on John Jr being better than Layton." For the record - John Romita Jr was/is/will always be a better artist than Bob Layton. That's no blemish on Bob Layton's legacy (if you can call it that) given the stature of JRJR. It's also not a terrible slight to suggest that Bob Layton's inking skills fall short of Janson and Austin considering they might just be the #1 & 2 top inkers of all time. Even when applying the myopic lens of 'just Iron Man art,' the argument doesn't meet muster. JRJR's art on Doomquest alone, makes Layton's entire run look like kid's stuff. Look, I like Bob. I own TPBs of Armor Wars: Prologue, Armor Wars, and both Herc minis. Bob was a great cover-artist, but that was about it. He penciled a great looking Iron Man (and Herc), but everything else looked like poop (or "caca"...to borrow your parlance and keep it "Bori"). Layton could not carry the art for an entire book IMO and I can only imagine that was the reason why he didn't get more work. Not trying to be heavy handed on you, man (don't pay any attention to Dark - he's just kicking up dust )...I just think comparing Layton to JRJR is absurd.

...but we do agree on some things, namely, the legendary status of JRSR and JRJR...

outstanding response. I am taking no offense to this at all. Maybe I didn't word my initial response as good as I could have. I loved JRJR's artwork way more in the 70s/80s when he drew in a more realistic sense, if ya know what I mean. Then all of a sudden, he changed his art style to a form that looked lazy & less detailed to me. I 1st noticed it during the "Onslaught" crossover & I saw his pencils on Spidey fighting the 2 Sentinels" I was like "whoa, this is the same JRJR that penciled the classic Ironman stories? What happened? As I stated before, he & his dad are legends in Marvel comics history, I just couldn't get into his altered/changed artwork. I got many comics with his artwork in X-men/Spiderman/WW Hulk, but it was not as pleasing to the eye as his early work on Ironman was.

[FlyinDeathPunch]

Hey anybody got a suggestion for a Wolf thats in scale with ML figures? Looking to replace a cheap one i have for a custom Snake Eyes.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

outstanding response. I am taking no offense to this at all. Maybe I didn't word my initial response as good as I could have. I loved JRJR's artwork way more in the 70s/80s when he drew in a more realistic sense, if ya know what I mean. Then all of a sudden, he changed his art style to a form that looked lazy & less detailed to me. I 1st noticed it during the "Onslaught" crossover & I saw his pencils on Spidey fighting the 2 Sentinels" I was like "whoa, this is the same JRJR that penciled the classic Ironman stories? What happened? As I stated before, he & his dad are legends in Marvel comics history, I just couldn't get into his altered/changed artwork. I got many comics with his artwork in X-men/Spiderman/WW Hulk, but it was not as pleasing to the eye as his early work on Ironman was.

Nice to see someone who doesn't get offended by passionate beliefs and slight disagreements. Truth be told, although our political paradigms seem a bit different, I agree with much of what you say about comics and toys...with this latest comment being no different. JRJR did change-up his style, but I stuck by him on the strength of the cachet he built with me as a fan of his art...and, yes, his later change in presentation seemed stylistic at first, but it quickly became apparent that it was lazy and half-assed.

Excelsior! lol

[LapuLapu]

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