[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by hasbroherofan

I'm actually fairly certain that's what we will be seeing. Unless they do them at an international show, I think NYCC is the last big convention before the movie opens in February. And of course if the movie is out in February we should expect the toys to start hitting the shelves in December.

My guess is we will see more of the Spider-Man and Black Panther waves.

Hasbro did say at SDCC that they would be showing off more stuff at additional international cons, as seen in this slide:



MCM London Comic-Con, Oct. 27-29
La Mole Comic-Con Internacional, Nov. 3-5

I'm not expecting too much from these, since the only reveal at Fan Expo Canada was the Sasquatch BAF, but that was still a reveal. So we may see something more before the year is out, post-NYCC.

[hasbroherofan]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Hasbro did say at SDCC that they would be showing off more stuff at additional international cons, as seen in this slide:



MCM London Comic-Con, Oct. 27-29
La Mole Comic-Con Internacional, Nov. 3-5

I'm not expecting too much from these, since the only reveal at Fan Expo Canada was the Sasquatch BAF, but that was still a reveal. So we may see something more before the year is out, post-NYCC.

If I had to guess, I think they'll only show a figure or two at each of those. I'm definitely thinking tomorrow is gonna be the last substantial reveal for the year.

[Dr Kain]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you guys are talking about NYCC? I thought that was not for another few weeks.

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

I 100% disagree with this statement.
In fact I think it is the KEY reason why the vast majority of them are currently doing so well in this era of superhero flicks.
I believe the concept of relatability appeals to a much wider audience.

Doctor Strange disagrees with you. Super heroes and realism do not match. Hell, that is one of the biggest flaws in Nolan's Batman trilogy.

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and speaking on the unrealistic things that occur in movies...
THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY I STOPPED watching those ridiculous ass Fast and Furious movies...lol...my suspension of dibelief could be held no longer....

Yes, but that is because the Fast/Furious franchise was initially made to be in reality. You have to defy the laws of physics early on.

[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Doctor Strange disagrees with you. Super heroes and realism do not match. Hell, that is one of the biggest flaws in Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Don't match.?!? The entire MCU is mostly done this way.
INCLUDING Dr. Strange...and makes for MUCH better writing/story telling.

Being grounded in reality doesn't mean you can't have fantasy characters and actions. It means the surrounding "world" functions in a normal, relatable way, where your suspension of disbelief OUTSIDE of the major characters/plot isn't stretched beyond reasonable limits.
Think of normal interactions between people and things, ways of life. Sort of like EVERYTHING BUT THE FANTASY characters. Hence the term GROUNDED in reality, but not ACTUAL reality.

IMO...THIS is what made the Ultimate Universe initially popular. A lot of comics were corny as shit before that. When a lot of the things that USED to happen in only the Ultimate Universe started happening (albeit slowly) in the 616 (is that right?) the "need" for the Ultimate Universe went away. Remember the good ole' self imposed Comics Code Authority??..
...and to further my point, the MCU avengers is built of the blueprint of the Ultimate Universe.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Hell, that is one of the biggest flaws in Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Again I'm at the total opposite end of the Monica Rambeau with you.
I think The Dark Knight was a masterpiece as far as "superhero" movies go. Its removal from much of the "fantasy" to me, was one of its strongest points.

I feel like I equate movies that make use of BLATANTLY ridiculous physics, situations, and campiness to something created with impressing a certain demographic.....sayyyy.... 15-20 years olds. I feel like if i was in that mind state, much of what I see would be "cool". In fact..I believe in my younger days that was the turning point when my adult mind stopped accepting blatant foolishness up on the big screen.

[VashTS]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

Don't match.?!? The entire MCU is mostly done this way.
INCLUDING Dr. Strange...and makes for MUCH better writing/story telling.

Being grounded in reality doesn't mean you can't have fantasy characters and actions. It means the surrounding "world" functions in a normal, relatable way, where your suspension of disbelief OUTSIDE of the major characters/plot isn't stretched beyond reasonable limits.
Think of normal interactions between people and things, ways of life. Sort of like EVERYTHING BUT THE FANTASY characters. Hence the term GROUNDED in reality, but not ACTUAL reality.

IMO...THIS is what made the Ultimate Universe initially popular. A lot of comics were corny as shit before that. When a lot of the things that USED to happen in only the Ultimate Universe started happening (albeit slowly) in the 616 (is that right?) the "need" for the Ultimate Universe went away. Remember the good ole' self imposed Comics Code Authority??..
...and to further my point, the MCU avengers is built of the blueprint of the Ultimate Universe.



Again I'm at the total opposite end of the Monica Rambeau with you.
I think The Dark Knight was a masterpiece as far as "superhero" movies go. It's removal from much of the "fantasy" to me, was one of its strongest points.

I feel like I equate movies that make use of BLATANTLY ridiculous physics, situations, and campiness to something created with impressing a certain demographic.....sayyyy.... 15-20 years olds. I feel like if i was in that mind state, much of what I see would be "cool". In fact..I believe in my younger days that was the turning point when my adult mind stopped accepting blatant foolishness up on the big screen.

What I find really disturbing in recent hero movies is the overuse of CGI coupled with hideous camera angles that keeps switching shots. I couldn't follow the action in Homecoming when Spidey fights the Vulture. Too much on the screen is happening that it is hard to follow what is going on. GOTG 2 also had similar problems.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by VashTS

What I find really disturbing in recent hero movies is the overuse of CGI coupled with hideous camera angles that keeps switching shots. I couldn't follow the action in Homecoming when Spidey fights the Vulture. Too much on the screen is happening that it is hard to follow what is going on. GOTG 2 also had similar problems.

Thats why transformers is sooooo bad...its impossible to get a clear picture of the action.

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Thats why transformers is sooooo bad...its impossible to get a clear picture of the action.

Oh, it's more than just that...

[Augustus_Cole]

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Originally Posted by VashTS

What I find really disturbing in recent hero movies is the overuse of CGI coupled with hideous camera angles that keeps switching shots. I couldn't follow the action in Homecoming when Spidey fights the Vulture. Too much on the screen is happening that it is hard to follow what is going on. GOTG 2 also had similar problems.

i have a story about that..
wayyyy back in college..i had a particular psychology course..and we studied various things (mind fucks).
One happened to be a scene in the first Michael Keaton Batman movie.
We totally dissected a fight scene. I, for the first time consciously understood the "cut scene" and how it was used...and it ..WRECKED MY VIEWING EXPERIENCES FOR YEARS TO COME!!!..Not to say they are all bad..
but the overuse of those fast and furious (not to be confused with the movie ;o) cut scenes are the WORST EFFING THING EVER.
talk about a way to FAKE action...smh.
So i totally get what you mean.
I remember SPECIFIC times where this was horrible.
That piece O' crap Affleck Daredevil movie..i believe it was the first fight scene..it was dark ..AND full of high speed cuts scenes. I wanted to shoot the director/editor.

This is what made some of the Netflix Daredevil Season 1 (wow..2 uses of Daredevil) fight scenes so great\refreshing..THERE WERE ALMOST NO CUTS. Also I've seen a few really good Kung-Fu flicks that use longs shots and constant action as opposed to 8 baziillion fast cuts SIMULATING action. I hate it.

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Thats why transformers is sooooo bad...its impossible to get a clear picture of the action.

i absolutely thought this while watching a few of the TF movies and came to appreciate when they did a "simulated" slow motion shot.

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Oh, it's more than just that...

oh my gawwwd...what a complete waste. I mean they nailed the look and feel and CGI but the story..and EXCESS all the time.....i didn't even care to see the last one...so i didn't.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

Don't match.?!? The entire MCU is mostly done this way.
INCLUDING Dr. Strange...and makes for MUCH better writing/story telling.

Being grounded in reality doesn't mean you can't have fantasy characters and actions. It means the surrounding "world" functions in a normal, relatable way, where your suspension of disbelief OUTSIDE of the major characters/plot isn't stretched beyond reasonable limits.
Think of normal interactions between people and things, ways of life. Sort of like EVERYTHING BUT THE FANTASY characters. Hence the term GROUNDED in reality, but not ACTUAL reality.

IMO...THIS is what made the Ultimate Universe initially popular. A lot of comics were corny as shit before that. When a lot of the things that USED to happen in only the Ultimate Universe started happening (albeit slowly) in the 616 (is that right?) the "need" for the Ultimate Universe went away. Remember the good ole' self imposed Comics Code Authority??..
...and to further my point, the MCU avengers is built of the blueprint of the Ultimate Universe.



Again I'm at the total opposite end of the Monica Rambeau with you.
I think The Dark Knight was a masterpiece as far as "superhero" movies go. Its removal from much of the "fantasy" to me, was one of its strongest points.

I feel like I equate movies that make use of BLATANTLY ridiculous physics, situations, and campiness to something created with impressing a certain demographic.....sayyyy.... 15-20 years olds. I feel like if i was in that mind state, much of what I see would be "cool". In fact..I believe in my younger days that was the turning point when my adult mind stopped accepting blatant foolishness up on the big screen.

I literally just stood up and gave you a standing ovation. Everything you said is right on the money.

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Dark

Let me start by stating that I appreciate where you are coming from.

Personally, I like my fantasy to be 'fantastic.' The idea that imagination is somehow 'child-like' is terribly limiting. After all, the imagination on display in Star Trek with the tricorder and communicator likely played a role in smart-phone development - essentially, wire less-handheld devices that grant you access to immense stores of information, the ability to navigate/understand your environment, and communicate over vast distances. Our (humans) long belief in parallel realities (abundantly conceptualized within various religions throughout antiquity) has had a definite impact on the research of quantum physics, string theory, and the theoretical exploration of the existence of other dimensions. Star Trek's warp-engine, Star Wars' hyperdrive, Event Horizon's wormhole travel are either inspiring scientific discovery, or, are flat out based on theory. Many fantasy 'imaginings' are being manifested in real-life everyday. While I'm not suggesting that mutants will be springing to life, my overall point is that there's nothing infantile about the power of imagination. Dreaming, imagining, and fantasizing represent crucial aspects of the human psyche and they play a pivotal role in the development of our species.

An aside: I went on a first date with this woman and we discussed our reading habits; I ALWAYS inspect the mentals'...well, she told me she doesn't read anything that's "fictitious" (yet, she was still largely oblivious to politics - another negative lol) According to her, she only read autobiographies or crime novels (I stopped myself from informing her that crime 'novels' were 'fictions' also, by definition. It didn't matter, I knew at that moment that there wouldn't be a second outing because imagination is just that important to me.

Elements of mundane, real-world experience (nuance of language and dialogue, familiar scenarios, normative social interactions etc) can easily be woven into fantastic landscapes (prepare to witness as much with Game of Thrones). I like street level heroes as much as a the next dude, but I have said from the very beginning (Blade) of this cinematic journey, "make my super-heroes SUPER, guawtdammit!"

[Augustus_Cole]

ahhh....Blade 2...one of the baddest superhero flicks made..
he was straight kick-ass..not to be confused with kick-ass ..heh

i feel you BM
and @ "The idea that imagination is somehow 'child-like' is terribly limiting."
It was not my intention at all to try to imply that..


I don't mind a fantasy world. BUT..oft times what I feel what happens is that it is the absence of good WRITING/CREATIVITY/BUDGET that lends itself to filming ...NONSENSE.
I see it on television all the time. (which is why so much TV turns me off). It's like ..HOW MUCH CLICHE, RUN OF THE MILL, DONE A THOUSAND TIMES, CORNY SHIT CAN THEY KEEP PRODUCING. Well clearly lots.

A point for me here is...you are watching something..and some event occurs(even if it IS fantsy based), but the reactions/repercussions to said event are ABSOLUTELY not what would happen in the real world. In my mind I go..."that's stupid..no one would do that"..and that's a Ben Grimm for me. So for ME personally it's the difference maker in what I like vs. what I don't.

If you take a whole new world, fantasy situation, fantasy characters and it is written well with an interesting, intriguing, and entertaining story...I'm all in.
But when stories, plots, characters, interactions are all HALF-ASSED because of certain shortcomings of its production, then I have an issue. It occurs so frequently that it's just easier for me to rock with fantasy I like...that is based in the world (or something similar to it) that I know.

I can rock with a fairy-tale world encompassing my fairy-tale....it just needs to be done correctly. ;o)

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Originally Posted by Panther

I literally just stood up and gave you a standing ovation. Everything you said is right on the money.

[TheBlueMarvel]

Good writing and plotting is a given with anything and is the rule of thumb for any discerning viewer/reader...so, no arguments there.

There have been plenty of movies, be they dramas or action oriented (steeped in real-world themes), where people exhibit 'unrealistic' reactions to given scenarios...and, truth be told, who's to say what one might do when presented with an event outside of what is considered 'normal.' I've personally witnessed people laugh during a horrific occurrence, then cry shortly there after from the shock of what they'd just witnessed. The person I speak of was obviously confused as to how to emotionally respond to a very disturbing event...not evil, but rather, very 'human.'

As far as physics are concerned and how they relate to activities common in movies, how ubiquitous is the ol' jumping from one high speed car to the next or leaping over a ravine is some jalopy? lol 9 times out of ten, that shit ain't happening in real life. Let's not even mention surviving being shot (or stabbed through and through) in the leg and trudging on, or continuing to fight (if your femoral artery is hit/punctured/severed, YOU WILL BE DEAD shortly there after without the benefit of medical treatment)...or the film-famous being shot in the gut with no real consequence (another injury that normally kills you dead).

The point I'm leading to is that there are plenty of things that might make something unrealistic. The expectation that my 'fantasy' entertainment should be somehow toned down to meet the standards that my 'realistic' entertainment doesn't, is an unfair double standard. But hey, I know, they (the movie studios) have gots' to make their money!

...however, some of us are waiting for our unabridged, unabashed, and unapologetic super-flicks. I've also said this many times before, "no more purple amorphous fucking space clouds...give me a giant Galan in his ridiculous purple and blue space armor with giant headdress/helmet, or give me nothing."

For types like me, Dr Strange was a Godsend because there was no getting around the metaphysical nature of his powers. They handled it beautifully by presenting a 'non-believing audience' with a like-minded protagonist making Strange a 'non-believer himself then walking him through his psychological gestalt. Thor is also going to push the same limits and people are going to love it all the more...

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by DarkToyLord

I think The Dark Knight was a masterpiece as far as "superhero" movies go.

I didn't say I didn't like THe Dark Knight. In fact, I agree with you. I think it is the greatest super hero movie ever (followed by Winter Soldier). However, I'm talking about the trilogy as a whole.

Rises is a dreadful movie. Trying to make Bane be grounded in realism was the most retarded idea ever. The Bane in Batman & Robin was far more accurate to Hardy's Bane. It also didn't help that the plot was crap and what they did with Talia was a huge fuck you to her fans (not to mention Colliard seemed to lose her acting ability in the movie).

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I feel like I equate movies that make use of BLATANTLY ridiculous physics, situations, and campiness to something created with impressing a certain demographic.....sayyyy.... 15-20 years olds. I feel like if i was in that mind state, much of what I see would be "cool". In fact..I believe in my younger days that was the turning point when my adult mind stopped accepting blatant foolishness up on the big screen.

Again, all you need is good characters and story telling and the physics will not be questioned. All I want to see are X-Men that act like X-Men and dress like X-Men. No more of this plain clothed bullshit. No more mutants that are supposed to be 8 feet tall being 5 feet. No more crazed preachers being turned into generic military commanders. No more grounded Phoenix saga shit. Bring in the aliens! The Shi'ar Empire!
Give me the Brood in a movie!! Have Dark Phoenix destroy planets!!!

[Tim]

@DTL that's exactly how i feel about Super Hero movies. I love when they're Grounded in Realism. If you don't like that go watch a Cartoon

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Tim

go watch a Cartoon

Why should I have to watch a cartoon?

I guess I now understand why they won't give us proper X-Men movies. Becuase of people like you (no offense intended).

I'm not saying they can't have ones grounded in realism, but when they are all like that, it gets boring. Also, again, X-Men in realism is retarded. X-Men is anything but real. Captain America works in realism. Spider-Man does not. Iron Man works in realism. Fantastic Four does not. DareDevil works in realism. Blade does not.

[Augustus_Cole]

@ BM and Kain...

I get what both of you are saying and agree to a certain extent.
Which movies/tvshows, etc. do you think have been closest to what YOU desire and which do you think were close but fell short..??
Are we wayy off topic?? I mean it all relates to why we like these figures

..and i too was not fond of Dark Knight Rises....not at all.


*edit* as i'm re-reading

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Trying to make Bane be grounded in realism was the most retarded idea ever.

I don't think this had to do with how grounded the character was or wasn't...but the lack of creativity in writing to make him work in the movie's setting.

..and side note..don't you work with children and lead by example. It may be time to look into giving that word up. I see you use it frequently.
I grew up using it like it was nothing...but I'm an adult now and I "try" to do and be better ;o)

[Boy Blunder]

Hey, guys, just as an aside, can we please not use the r-word? It's not a synonym for stupid, it's a slur against people with learning/mental disabilities, people I have in my own family. It's really not cool to use in this manner. Thanks.

[Jeddostotle7]

I feel considering the current conversation, it would be quite relevant to post this video:

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

Hey, guys, just as an aside, can we please not use the r-word? It's not a synonym for stupid, it's a slur against people with learning/mental disabilities, people I have in my own family. It's really not cool to use in this manner. Thanks.

Yes, I second this. I'd rather not have to see slurs when browsing an otherwise nice place.

[Byrnes]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I didn't say I didn't like THe Dark Knight. In fact, I agree with you. I think it is the greatest super hero movie ever (followed by Winter Soldier). However, I'm talking about the trilogy as a whole.

Rises is a dreadful movie. Trying to make Bane be grounded in realism was the most retarded idea ever. The Bane in Batman & Robin was far more accurate to Hardy's Bane. It also didn't help that the plot was crap and what they did with Talia was a huge fuck you to her fans (not to mention Colliard seemed to lose her acting ability in the movie).



Again, all you need is good characters and story telling and the physics will not be questioned. All I want to see are X-Men that act like X-Men and dress like X-Men. No more of this plain clothed bullshit. No more mutants that are supposed to be 8 feet tall being 5 feet. No more crazed preachers being turned into generic military commanders. No more grounded Phoenix saga shit. Bring in the aliens! The Shi'ar Empire!
Give me the Brood in a movie!! Have Dark Phoenix destroy planets!!!

I'm with you when it comes to X-Men. Unleash the comic vibe. Deadpool did it right. Problem is that pedophyling yahoo who had his hands on all the other X-Men movies besides First Class doesn't want costumes. They finally put them on at the end of Apocalypse so maybe they will finally do it for Phoenix from beginning,

[hasbroherofan]

Multiple Man revealed.

[SymbiSpidey]

They also revealed classic Taskmaster, Prowler and Spider-Man Noir.

[hasbroherofan]

[SymbiSpidey]

Can't for the life of me remember, but did they reveal a new Gladiator previously? Because we're getting that too lol.

[hasbroherofan]

[AFU]

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Originally Posted by hasbroherofan

Nice, preparing my wallet, good to see new characters being made, and don't mind a classic Taskmaster...All four characters that you have shown so far will be on my list...

Note: Can we get a giant BAF, please, Hasbro! Stop doing these average size BAFs...