[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Panther

A couple of things. First, The Incredible Hulk has and will always be a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Second, as a person who unapologetically loves the first Thor, he was in no way moping in the desert. He was cocky, he was arrogant, and got a very hard lesson in life from his father to prove his worthiness. The scene where you see him "down" is after he finds out he still can't lift the hammer, he believes his father is dead, and he cannot return home. And even after all that, once he's released from SHIELD's custody he is in good spirits because he understands what his father was trying to teach him.

In no way am I bashing your opinion, because film is subjective, but I found the first Thor to be a Shakespearean dream come true. So many positive things came out of that movie.

Yes, Incredible Hulk is technically a part of the MCU, but this was the first crack of Marvel Studios at doing their own Hulk movie without actually doing a Hulk movie is what I meant.

Thor 1 is "Shakespearean" in themes maybe, lots of people here seem to think that, but I don't think that made it automatically good or well performed. Tom Hiddleston obviously is the exception, he's brought Loki to life in a way that might never be topped in any other superhero let alone Marvel movie. But his story is where the comparisons to the great plays of Shakespeare comes to an end.

Chris Hemsworth is fine as Thor, especially in the movies like Ragnarok when he's just playing as regular old Odinson, but the first Thor movie and his portrayal remains flawed. It didn't give me any real reason to buy his apparent transition from cocky jerk to, well, still a cocky jerk but now also a hero. You're right that he didn't mope in the desert the whole movie, because he barely had any reaction at all. He spent two days on Earth with Jane building that poor romance story, then couldn't lift the hammer once, and now because he's stuck on Earth and thinks his father is dead he's so sad now he somehow learned Odin's lesson?

No, really I don't think nearly enough time or effort was done to show why he was unworthy one minute but was worthy again the next other than the plot demanded he needed to be worthy again in other to stop Loki by the end of the movie. Maybe if they had him stuck on Earth a lot longer, maybe even as frail and flawed Donald Blake, searching for months or a year for his hammer and his godhood only to still find out after all his searching that he was still unworthy? But they didn't do that, and without it there ended up being less anguish and suffering in the entire film than even the first twenty minutes of the Doctor Strange movie (which wasn't the greatest MCU movie, either, but I at least could buy into the pain Stephen was going through).

Not to mention a problem that really stands out now was locating the biggest chunk of the film in the middle of nowhere desert America. Not really an exciting place for fantastical living Norse Gods and monsters. Granted it probably had like three times the budget, but Ragnarok exposes how plain the settings of the first two Thor movies really were. There are a nine realms and already a dozen heroes on Earth in the MCU, a character like Thor does a lot better spending some time in places that are elsewhere in the cosmos. In this way we finally have a movie that really feels like it's a true honest to goodness Thor movie.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

From another facebook group named "Romita Sr Spidey" Wonder why the images are in black and white and not colour Also if that gwen stacy is legit as well maybe they could be sold as a two pack like the MJ and ANAD spidey

I doubt this is legit. The proportions look wrong and the figure lacks butterfly joints which all of the adult/MCU Spiderman figures have. Also, you can make out the neckline of Elsa Bloodstone's shirt in the Gwen Stacy pic. Hasbro digitally sculpts all of their figures now so there really isn't a reason for them to physically kit bash a figure. I think Redfox is right, someone made these black and white to cover up the fact that they aren't from Hasbro.

Hasbro will probably start releasing artist specific Spiderman figures at some point since they've burned through 99% of Spiderman's costume variants.

[Captain Nash]

Just got back from Ragnarok a bit ago. Loved it. It may not necessarily be my favorite Marvel movie (I think Winter Soldier still take that) but it is, to me, the most fun marvel movie, even more than GOTG 1. A few minor complaints I will leave for a time for spoilers, but they are very minor. So glad the trailers delivered, so often the trailers show every good part of the movie, and make it seem better than it is.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Just got back from Ragnarok a bit ago. Loved it. It may not necessarily be my favorite Marvel movie (I think Winter Soldier still take that) but it is, to me, the most fun marvel movie, even more than GOTG 1. A few minor complaints I will leave for a time for spoilers, but they are very minor. So glad the trailers delivered, so often the trailers show every good part of the movie, and make it seem better than it is.

Winter Soldier to me is the ceiling of the MCU. Nothing will ever top it. Also, with 17 movies already out, and another 8 at least in production, I look at the MCU the same way I look at James Bond and Godzilla. The only bad one is a boring one.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Yes, Incredible Hulk is technically a part of the MCU, but this was the first crack of Marvel Studios at doing their own Hulk movie without actually doing a Hulk movie is what I meant.

Thor 1 is "Shakespearean" in themes maybe, lots of people here seem to think that, but I don't think that made it automatically good or well performed. Tom Hiddleston obviously is the exception, he's brought Loki to life in a way that might never be topped in any other superhero let alone Marvel movie. But his story is where the comparisons to the great plays of Shakespeare comes to an end.

Chris Hemsworth is fine as Thor, especially in the movies like Ragnarok when he's just playing as regular old Odinson, but the first Thor movie and his portrayal remains flawed. It didn't give me any real reason to buy his apparent transition from cocky jerk to, well, still a cocky jerk but now also a hero. You're right that he didn't mope in the desert the whole movie, because he barely had any reaction at all. He spent two days on Earth with Jane building that poor romance story, then couldn't lift the hammer once, and now because he's stuck on Earth and thinks his father is dead he's so sad now he somehow learned Odin's lesson?

No, really I don't think nearly enough time or effort was done to show why he was unworthy one minute but was worthy again the next other than the plot demanded he needed to be worthy again in other to stop Loki by the end of the movie. Maybe if they had him stuck on Earth a lot longer, maybe even as frail and flawed Donald Blake, searching for months or a year for his hammer and his godhood only to still find out after all his searching that he was still unworthy? But they didn't do that, and without it there ended up being less anguish and suffering in the entire film than even the first twenty minutes of the Doctor Strange movie (which wasn't the greatest MCU movie, either, but I at least could buy into the pain Stephen was going through).

Not to mention a problem that really stands out now was locating the biggest chunk of the film in the middle of nowhere desert America. Not really an exciting place for fantastical living Norse Gods and monsters. Granted it probably had like three times the budget, but Ragnarok exposes how plain the settings of the first two Thor movies really were. There are a nine realms and already a dozen heroes on Earth in the MCU, a character like Thor does a lot better spending some time in places that are elsewhere in the cosmos. In this way we finally have a movie that really feels like it's a true honest to goodness Thor movie.

Honestly, these are the types of conversations I live for. The power of film is super subjective. You have your opinion and I have mine, yet see how respectful we are to each other. I love it! I will agree, the relationship between Thor and Jane Foster did not work for me.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Winter Soldier to me is the ceiling of the MCU. Nothing will ever top it. Also, with 17 movies already out, and another 8 at least in production, I look at the MCU the same way I look at James Bond and Godzilla. The only bad one is a boring one.

I know a young man who didn't like The Winter Soldier because it was an "espionage film, and that's not Captain America". I've never disagreed with a person more than I did with him on that day those words came out of his mouth.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Winter Soldier to me is the ceiling of the MCU. Nothing will ever top it.

I'd agree with this. Frankly after I saw Civil War I was surprised at how many of my friends said it was better than TWS, I really liked CW too but TWS is almost completely superior. Nothing in TWS matches CW's airport fight but it still has a tighter, more interesting story plus Robert Redford as the villain.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Panther

I know a young man who didn't like The Winter Soldier because it was an "espionage film, and that's not Captain America". I've never disagreed with a person more than I did with him on that day those words came out of his mouth.

That is what I think makes Winter Soldier so good. It was a political thriller.

In fact, for me, the best of the MCU are the movies that are something first, and a super hero movie second.

The Winter Soldier - Political thriller
Civil War - Spy thriller
Spider-Man Homecoming - Slice of life high school story
Guardians of the Galaxy - Space opera
Ant-Man - Heist film

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Originally Posted by En Sabah Nerd

I'd agree with this. Frankly after I saw Civil War I was surprised at how many of my friends said it was better than TWS, I really liked CW too but TWS is almost completely superior. Nothing in TWS matches CW's airport fight but it still has a tighter, more interesting story plus Robert Redford as the villain.

I loved Civil War, but I feel Winter Soldier had the edge over it in suspense.

[Tomax]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

Too much humor in Thor 3, idiots behind me were laughing non stop at almost every scene, whether it was truly funny or not. I guess there are just some goombas that find anything humorous. Even DP only got a laugh or two outta me. It was a very action packed movie and IMO, the best of the trilogy. But every MCU movie does not have to mimic GOTG. This was the closest we'll ever get to a planet Hulk movie.

exactly, you think like me. some people laugh at anything. every MCU movie doesnt have to be like GOTG. the jokes get fucking annoying after awhile. maybe DC should teach marvel how to make movies.

[Il Cattivo]

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Originally Posted by Tomax

maybe DC should teach marvel how to make movies.

[lordbest]

Ragnarok came close to topping TWS for me but not quite. I find the comparisons to GotG grossly simplistic personally. Aside from the superficial (both in space, both have humour. Or at least GotG attempted to have humour) they are little alike.

[Black Arbor]

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Originally Posted by Tomax

exactly, you think like me. some people laugh at anything. every MCU movie doesnt have to be like GOTG. the jokes get fucking annoying after awhile. maybe DC should teach marvel how to make movies.

KEK and also LEL

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[Parademon1]

The Hulk/Thor fight finally overtook Hulk vs Hulkbuster IM as the best hero vs hero MCU slugfest IMO. It was pretty brutal.

[Dr Kain]

I actually thought the Hulk/Hulkbuster fight was dreadful. Not only was the CGI pretty subpar in it, but the constant shaky cam really made it hard to enjoy the fight.

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Originally Posted by Tomax

exactly, you think like me. some people laugh at anything. every MCU movie doesnt have to be like GOTG. the jokes get fucking annoying after awhile. maybe DC should teach marvel how to make movies.

Too much humor? It's a god damned comic book super hero movie. It's supposed to be full of humor. Have you never read the comics before?

Also, DC doesn't know how to make a good movie. They think every movie has to be in Batman's tone. Hell, I'm surprised they even know how to make good comics anymore given that they keep pushing Batman in every fucking series. They might as well just have another reboot that turns every hero into Batman.

[jwyss234]

Most comics tend to have a mixture of humor and emotional weight/grit. Take Mark Waid's run on Daredevil. It was great even though it wasn't dark like Frank Miller's work or the Netflix series. Humor may not work for every hero but it does work for a lot of them.

Kirsten taunting Matt


Foggy finding out he has cancer


Both of these are from Mark Waid's run (different artists obviously). You need some back and forth between fun and grit, otherwise it's just depressing.

[Dr Kain]

Well, I was referring to Thor specifically.

Now if it were someone like Morbius or Man-Thing, then the humor bits wouldn't work outside of a few certain instances. The same goes for DC with characters like Swamp Thing, The Spectre, Phantom Stranger, and Etrigan.

[Erland]

Anyone ever seen these types of security tags? Doesn't this mean the boxes are no longer "mint"? Don't they have to like cut a hole in the box to do this?

BTW I found this picture on reddit.

[Tomax]

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Originally Posted by Erland

Anyone ever seen these types of security tags? Doesn't this mean the boxes are no longer "mint"? Don't they have to like cut a hole in the box to do this?

BTW I found this picture on reddit.

i dont trust reddit, they have alot of fake news.

[MeLikeJinx]

OMG. Thor Ragnarok was such a fun movie... every actor seemed like they were having the time of their life onscreen. Also all the scenes with Anthony Hopkins were really great IMO.

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Originally Posted by lordbest

Ragnarok came close to topping TWS for me but not quite.

I agree Winter Soldier is still the best because of how great a straight up thriller it is regardless of all the superhero stuff... also the bond between Cap and Bucky just seems so organic.

[Jerseysteel]

So I gotta say I am a little disappointed in a few of the vintage ML. I myself hate how Hasbro repaints everything, but I bought these because they look great as Marvel vs Capcom figures. My biggest gripe is with Ironman and how they didn't even update his thigh joints to the new style. I mean seriously they are that lazy that they can't even update / fix the figures.. I do however need that Ironman repainted as war machine now.

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I actually thought the Hulk/Hulkbuster fight was dreadful. Not only was the CGI pretty subpar in it, but the constant shaky cam really made it hard to enjoy the fight.



Too much humor? It's a god damned comic book super hero movie. It's supposed to be full of humor. Have you never read the comics before?

Also, DC doesn't know how to make a good movie. They think every movie has to be in Batman's tone. Hell, I'm surprised they even know how to make good comics anymore given that they keep pushing Batman in every fucking series. They might as well just have another reboot that turns every hero into Batman.

Mostly agree with this, if we're just talking about the DCU - everything I've seen in it has been mediocre at best, except Wonder Woman which was an exceptionally fantastic movie. Just my opinion of course but there ya go.

Also good on the first point. The source material is comics, specifically in this case Norse mythology. It's supposed to be somewhat fantastical. I feel most of the jokes in Thor Ragnarok carried off well. There were a couple I could see were meant to be funny but were just kind of ...meh. But it's mostly a good funny tone, not a stupid funny tone.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Also, DC doesn't know how to make a good movie. They think every movie has to be in Batman's tone. Hell, I'm surprised they even know how to make good comics anymore given that they keep pushing Batman in every fucking series. They might as well just have another reboot that turns every hero into Batman.

I have agree with you here. Its like they have to be dark n gritty like 40's noir gangster flick. It also doesnt help that 90% of their casting is turrble, the costumes and onscreen looks arent really even close to the source material ( i mean really barry with black hair instead of blonde? ) a d their flicks are plagued with production and directorial issues and delays.

Hell even their tv shows have managed snafu a whole lot. I know friends who love arrow and are suprised i dont like it. I tell em other than deathstroke ( being about the only really good character to me ) i cant stand it. One of the biggest reasons is Steve Amell. I mean they guy always looks like hes about to cry...even when hes trying to loom and sound all vigilanteish.

Honestly i hope for a Deathstroke Tv show and hope they do it right. No stupud team, no wussy lovestory sub plots just Slade doin' what he ( used to ) do best....kicking ass and gettin paid.

I liked many of the marvel flicks ( didnt care for im 3, cap 1, the first two thor flicks or homecoming ) but i think once phase four hits their steam will slow. Just a hunch

[Captain Nash]

[QUOTE=Nitelife;733276]I have agree with you here. Its like they have to be dark n gritty like 40's noir gangster flick. It also doesnt help that 90% of their casting is turrble, the costumes and onscreen looks arent really even close to the source material ( i mean really barry with black hair instead of blonde? ) a d their flicks are plagued with production and directorial issues and delays.

Hell even their tv shows have managed snafu a whole lot. I know friends who love arrow and are suprised i dont like it. I tell em other than deathstroke ( being about the only really good character to me ) i cant stand it. One of the biggest reasons is Steve Amell. I mean they guy always looks like hes about to cry...even when hes trying to loom and sound all vigilanteish.

Honestly i hope for a Deathstroke Tv show and hope they do it right. No stupud team, no wussy lovestory sub plots just Slade doin' what he ( used to ) do best....kicking ass and gettin paid.

I liked many of the marvel flicks ( didnt care for im 3, cap 1, the first two thor flicks or homecoming ) but i think once phase four hits their steam will slow. Just a hunch[/QUOTE]

I agree. If what I think will happen in the Infinity War/film 2 happens, you're going to be left with maybe 1-2 members of the "old cast" (Avengers up through Age Of Ultron), Spider-Man and some second stringers. Not to say that they won't be great characters, but they won't have the draw that Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, etc have.

But then again, it has long been Avengers tradition in comics to have a rotating roster...so who knows. I'm sure that way back in the waaay back when Cap's Kooky Quartet was a thing, readers from the first issue thought "there's no way this will be well received"...and yet...

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

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I agree. If what I think will happen in the Infinity War/film 2 happens, you're going to be left with maybe 1-2 members of the "old cast" (Avengers up through Age Of Ultron), Spider-Man and some second stringers. Not to say that they won't be great characters, but they won't have the draw that Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, etc have.

But then again, it has long been Avengers tradition in comics to have a rotating roster...so who knows. I'm sure that way back in the waaay back when Cap's Kooky Quartet was a thing, readers from the first issue thought "there's no way this will be well received"...and yet...

I would love to see a west coast avengers movie. Introduce wonderman, tygra, us agent and a giantman ( eric ogrady would be cool ). Then may be throw in war machine Jim Hammond torch and shehulk. Its not a true og cast but with hawkeye tied up in infinity wsr and mockingbird in the tv verse itd be a good way to do the team.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

I agree. If what I think will happen in the Infinity War/film 2 happens, you're going to be left with maybe 1-2 members of the "old cast" (Avengers up through Age Of Ultron), Spider-Man and some second stringers. Not to say that they won't be great characters, but they won't have the draw that Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, etc have.

But then again, it has long been Avengers tradition in comics to have a rotating roster...so who knows. I'm sure that way back in the waaay back when Cap's Kooky Quartet was a thing, readers from the first issue thought "there's no way this will be well received"...and yet...

Out of the cast from Phase 1 and 2, I would say that Hawkeye, Iron Man, Thor, and Nebula will die in Infinity War. Captain America is a bit of a wild card because his movies have done really well but Chris Evans is at the end of his contract. Also, someone new is supposed to mentor Spiderman in his next solo movie and who would be better than Captain America? But I think Widow and Hulk are relatively safe since they're popular guest stars. A lot of actors really like that since there's little pressure to carry a movie but tons of popularity and excitement over them being in a movie.