[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

And that sequence of panels with some slut teasing Matt are supposed to be humorous? Don't kids read Marvel comics or is it only adults? As a kid growing up reading Marvel/DC comics, I read them for the superhero vs villain battles, not for sluts lifting up their blouse to a blind man at the office. Last time I checked, that's sexual harassment but I guess it's OK if it's the female doing the harassing, flip it around and the guy is a POS perv & needs to be fired/arrested. You call that good writing? You must not ask for much. I got into comics to escape the problems of the real world.

I wouldn't call it good writing...just something along the lines of sophomoric. Then again, I grew up on films like Animal House, Porky's, and Police Academy as well as shows like Married With Children, a lot of which simply would not fly in today's socially conscious and sometimes over-sensitive climate. You're right about the sexual harassment double standard, but there is still humor to be found there, (as crass as it might be) whether you want to believe in it or not.

Also...be careful with the term you called Matt's assistant. I won't repeat it...but you know what which word. That's a trigger word and can easily be turned into something much more.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Frankly, I find the whole "superhero fatigue" card to be bullshit. I don't see people saying they are sick of the number of dramas that come out every year or people are feeling fatigue over romantic comedies, so why should it matter how many super hero films come out a year?

I'm one to disagree with you there. Box office receipts are slowly diminishing for super hero flicks as they just aren't drawing the crowds they used to anymore. I personally haven't been to a theatre to see a super hero flick since BvS. And I missed several in theatres before and since that one (Deadpool, GotG2, Dr. Strange, anything X-related, Homecoming, Civil War, Ant-man, Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman to name a few.)

I personally no longer get pumped for them, and I no longer care when they are announced. Marvel films in general have really put me off...as I feel like I am watching the same film over and over. One can only handle so much CG and snarky, "witty" dialog. I'm hoping Black Panther might break that cycle because it appears to not be so goody and aloof, but I'm not high on it because I honestly don't care about the character. It just feels like another bit player character being given a film or TV series to cash in on the craze. Hopefully the film proves me wrong, but still, nothing in the trailer(s) outside of tone has grabbed my attention to where I'm saying to myself..."I have to see this!"

I used to go to midnight premiers of comic films when they were once a year spectacles, analyze the trailers and bounce up and down with glee at every cameo and Easter egg. Now...I can wait for Redbox or Vudu, and if I don't see it...I don't see it. I know others personally that feel the same way.

And it's not just comic films that I'm feeling it with either. Star Wars should disappear for a few years as well.

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

True, but Chris Evans has also stated that he wants to move away from acting for a while, IIRC, if not entirely.

...maybe in lieu of Thor, we can see Thunderstrike show up? If so, I nominate Charlie Hunnam.

Maybe we can get john walker cap. Set it up for US AGENT and a west coast avengers spinoff.

[Tim]

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Originally Posted by GizmoTron

Want to take a chance, but I fear the face paint on Ego.

Also speaking of toys, Walgreens had Medusa today, so it's hit the Kansas City/Midwest area.

And for an oddity, I saw 5 Below stores have seemingly gotten solid cases of Red Guardian from the Giant Man wave and can be had for $5. Not sure anyone is looking for him, but the price is right and he might make good custom fodder.

Have your target price match Amazon for that two pack I did when it was $20

[Jeddostotle7]

Honestly, I don't know how likely this is, but I'd like to see Rhodey take up the Iron Man mantle after Tony leaves/dies/whatever. That plus either Bucky or Sam taking up the mantle of Cap, although it seems a tad more likely that they're gonna go with Bucky for that one.

[Panther]

Looks like my patience may have finally paid of. Disney has been in talk with Fox about acquiring 20th Century Fox for the past few weeks. The thought of The Fantastic 4 and X-Men coming home makes me happy, but it’s all about the potential Marvel Legends. I know this is about as close to a Monopoly we’ll see on Disney’s behalf, but to quote the Mad Titan...”this does put a smile on my face.”

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by Panther

Looks like my patience may have finally paid of. Disney has been in talk with Fox about acquiring 20th Century Fox for the past few weeks. The thought of The Fantastic 4 and X-Men coming home makes me happy, but it’s all about the potential Marvel Legends. I know this is about as close to a Monopoly we’ll see on Disney’s behalf, but to quote the Mad Titan...”this does put a smile on my face.”

Oh thatd be great. Maybe then disney will put out some cartoons back on saturday mornings and afterschool. Plus I'd love to see Deadpool kick Dr. Doom in the daddy bags and cable throwdown with Thanos ( que theme to the patty duke show haha )

[Boy Blunder]

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Originally Posted by Panther

Looks like my patience may have finally paid of. Disney has been in talk with Fox about acquiring 20th Century Fox for the past few weeks. The thought of The Fantastic 4 and X-Men coming home makes me happy, but it’s all about the potential Marvel Legends. I know this is about as close to a Monopoly we’ll see on Disney’s behalf, but to quote the Mad Titan...”this does put a smile on my face.”

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've actually been enjoying the newer Fox X-Films and shows (especially The Gifted), and would be perfectly fine with keeping the X-Universe separate from the MCU. It really helps sell the "world that hates and fears them" aspect when mutants are the only ones with powers.

Also, introducing mutants this late in the game feels awkward, at least to me, even if it could give the MCU an extra lease on life post-Phase Three.

I would love to see the FF though. I still feel like the FF would be best as a period series, set during the ambiguous years between the first Cap film and the first Iron Man movie. I know Captain Marvel is set in the 90s, and the scenes with Hank and Jan in Ant Man took place in 1987, but the FF would be a great 1960s series. Hell, gives us more chances to see early SHIELD, and some more appearances from Peggy Carter and Howard Stark.

[warmachine6]

i know they could work it out somehow but would you say its a bit too late to add the fantastic 4 or X-men to the MCU , You could say the Fantastic 4 went to the negative zone , and the x-men were on the over side of space dealing the phoenix and shiar issues

[Tomax]

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[Zorn88]

I never thought this would be a problem, but the cinema's are just too over saturated with superhero movies. They've lost their appeal (for me anyway). Remember when we would really only have one or two superhero movies every year?

[MeLikeJinx]

^ For me I separate them though... MCU, DC and X-men all feel different. Also Nolan's Batman movies felt way different from other comic book movies IMO. All the Spidey movies feel the same to me though... except maybe the first 2 Tobey Maguire ones... but the rest all feel like the same movie no matter who is starring in or directing them.

[GizmoTron]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

And at 13, I didn't know that & thought that was just a supervillain costume & that's an entire different animal from showing a female character raising her blouse/shirt to expose her bra cladded breasts to a male character. Didn't see none of that in late 70s/80s comics. Was way too young for 60s comics but I'm sure there was no sexual situations in a Stan Lee/Jack Kirby comic.

I guess I must be the only one that doesn't care to see real world situations in my superhero comics. Too ol school I guess.

If you didn't see it or didn't know when you saw it, that's on you. But it was there. Go back and reread some of those classics stories with a more critical eye sometime, I think you'll find a lot of things were hiding in those 70's and 80's books that went over your head as a kid.

As for the 60's, sex wasn't really there, no, but comics in that time were still heavily scrutinized like they were in the 50's. But the real world comes in a lot, and was a part of super hero books since the beginning in 30's and 40's when heroes like Superman, Batman, and Captain America were fighting against Nazis and the Japanese instead of costumed villains like today.

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

I'm one to disagree with you there. Box office receipts are slowly diminishing for super hero flicks as they just aren't drawing the crowds they used to anymore.

They are somewhat, but it has a lot to do with summer movies bringing in less than just super hero flicks. Actually what I think they're learning is the market is changing a little bit and that spacing out these movies will work out a lot better, since a movie like Thor Ragnarok can come out in November and completely clean house at the box office since it was the only huge block buster out at the moment. It's already brought in a huge opening weekend, and I suspect Justice League is going to come along and bring in a ton of money it's first weekend, too. And of course Star Wars is going to own December outright.

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

i know they could work it out somehow but would you say its a bit too late to add the fantastic 4 or X-men to the MCU , You could say the Fantastic 4 went to the negative zone , and the x-men were on the over side of space dealing the phoenix and shiar issues

It's too late for mutants, if they were in the MCU it would have logically come up by now. Not saying they couldn't make it work, but I think it would take Thanos destroying the universe and someone else rebuilding it with the Infinity Gauntlet but making a few changes.

The F4, though, easily could be a Captain Marvel situation where they've been doing their own thing either away from SHIELD and the Avengers or sometime before. I'd be perfectly happy if the team had semi-retired, and Reed and Sue have been raising the kids along with teaching the Future Foundation or something off to the side all of this time. Only issue would be explaining why Doctor Doom didn't show up earlier to try and take the Infinity Stones and the Gauntlet for himself during this next Avengers movie.

[Captain Nash]

Just FYI, the Fox/Disney talks are now dead. Didn't take long. I think that's good - too close to a monopoly for me. You'd have one major leage film company left with WB, 2 minor with Sony and Universal, and Paramount that wishes it were still big league, and a bunch of toddler film companies.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

I was way too young for 60s comics but I'm sure there was no sexual situations in a Stan Lee/Jack Kirby comic.

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

Not to mention Jeremey Renner broke both of his wrists filming Infinity War and RDJ hurt his ankle filming IM3. Both of them are over 40 so risk of injury is a serious consideration when signing up for more movies.

I don't see how this requires them to be killed off though. They could just as easily retire from the super hero business.

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Kevin Feige has also said that Iron Man won't be mentoring Peter in the next Spiderman movie.

This makes sense given that Peter grew up at the end of Homecoming. He doesn't need a mentor.

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the other two Thor movies are know as the weakest of the MCU.

Only Dark World is considered a weak movie.

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

II'm one to disagree with you there. Box office receipts are slowly diminishing for super hero flicks as they just aren't drawing the crowds they used to anymore.

Oh really? Then why is Thor 3 the first movie since It to draw in crowds?

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Marvel films in general have really put me off...as I feel like I am watching the same film over and over. One can only handle so much CG and snarky, "witty" dialog.

Let me ask you this, are you a James Bond or Godzilla fan?

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And it's not just comic films that I'm feeling it with either. Star Wars should disappear for a few years as well.

While I do think Star Wars does not need a new movie every year, if they are well written, then it shouldn't matter. Disney has already given us two of the best Star Wars movies in 30+ years.

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Originally Posted by Zorn88

I never thought this would be a problem, but the cinema's are just too over saturated with superhero movies. They've lost their appeal (for me anyway). Remember when we would really only have one or two superhero movies every year?

But it's okay for there to be 40 dramas, 30 romantic comedies, 50 animated movies, 100 brainless action films, 200 horror films, 10 crime dramas, 20 science fiction adventures, 50 anime films, and 10 war movies a year? I fail to see why they shoud limit super hero films to 2 a year. Plus, it's not like they are all by the same company. Disney does 2-3 a year, Fox does 2-3, DC seems to be doing 2, etc. If you need to blame anyone, blame the companies for owning their own individual super hero licenses.

[EvilMonkeyPope]

They should've made a new upper torso for her too.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

While I do think Star Wars does not need a new movie every year, if they are well written, then it shouldn't matter. Disney has already given us two of the best Star Wars movies in 30+ years.

I'm carrying this off topic (or maybe not entirely since Marvel does Star Wars comics again) but for me you don't even have to say "two of the best" you could just say the "two best in 30 years." RotJ was 34 years ago and I found TFA and RO much better than all of the prequels so the math works.

[Captain Nash]

I think the reason superhero movies stand out so much is they get so much hype. And they make (typically) an enormous amount of money at the box office. So it kind of makes it seem like there is more than there really is.

Don't we, at this point, only have 3 Super hero film franchises? Traditional I mean, you might have some animated and some might even put Star Wars up there, but really it's just MCU, X-men and DCU. that's like 7-8 films a year. As Kain pointed out, with all the other genres, that's actually less than a lot of genres. Can the genre itself be blamed if they make so much money?

Besides, if you don't like them, speak with your wallet. Don't go see them when they come out. If you want to see it for sure at some point wait...there's options. Redbox, cable, netflix etc...if you know you're going to own it on blu ray anyways just wait for that. ..I haven't seen a single DCU movie in the theatre, I've missed all the the solo X-Men films except the horrible first Wolverine movie. I haven't gone to see about a third of the MCU movies in the theatres. Because I figured I would probably buy them anyways, so why pay the money for something I'm "meh" on twice Even if Bluray is more expensive than standard movie ticket but then you're watching on the theatre's time and convenience...plus..pause/rewind button, which I so needed for T:R.//tangent//. There is no law that says because you're a fan of comic books you have to go see every comic book movie in the theatre. And not doing so definitely does not make you "not a fan"

Edit; Good lord of Thunder I'm a typoist when I get on a rant. So many missing letters....

[Boy Blunder]

The thing that makes MCU films stand out, as well, is that they're not exclusively "super hero genre" films. While their success in these departments is up to debate, the majority of the MCU films have been aiming more for "genre film with superheroes." It's been most clear with the Phase Two films and beyond, as has been pointed out a number of times - Winter Soldier being a spy thriller, Ant Man being a heist film, Homecoming being a teen film, etc. Even Ragnarok is like an 80s-homage sci-fi-action-comedy with superheroes.

And I think that's part of the reason why the MCU films continue to garner positive critical reception and beacoup ticket sales, especially compared to the competition - because, while the superheroics are an integral part of the film, they're not necessarily the be-all, end-all.

Which is also why I'm intrigued by New Mutants - we don't have a superhero supernatural horror film yet. Hell, the closest thing we have to a superhero horror is the fact that Suicide Squad exists.

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by Boy Blunder

The thing that makes MCU films stand out, as well, is that they're not exclusively "super hero genre" films. While their success in these departments is up to debate, the majority of the MCU films have been aiming more for "genre film with superheroes." It's been most clear with the Phase Two films and beyond, as has been pointed out a number of times - Winter Soldier being a spy thriller, Ant Man being a heist film, Homecoming being a teen film, etc. Even Ragnarok is like an 80s-homage sci-fi-action-comedy with superheroes.

And I think that's part of the reason why the MCU films continue to garner positive critical reception and beacoup ticket sales, especially compared to the competition - because, while the superheroics are an integral part of the film, they're not necessarily the be-all, end-all.

Which is also why I'm intrigued by New Mutants - we don't have a superhero supernatural horror film yet. Hell, the closest thing we have to a superhero horror is the fact that Suicide Squad exists.

This is also a good point. MCU has something for everyone! DCU has...well it has Wonder Woman which was really really good.

[TheBlueMarvel]

@BB

Suicide Squad wasn't ALL bad. lol DC can handle epic fights, they have the right idea regarding scope and power. That's a good place to start.

You've a point describing MCU flicks as genre movies with a side order of hero. That might be the reason I still enjoyed Ragnarok, despite Thor being atypical in presentation and very dire situations (Ragnarok and Planet Hulk) being handled in an almost frivolous manner.

[Jerseysteel]

So my Marvel vs Capcom WIP. Yes I know ironman is missing his mask, didn't feel like digging it out of the accessories drawer.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Oh really? Then why is Thor 3 the first movie since It to draw in crowds?

Have you seen what Thor is up against at the box office? Not exactly what I would call competition.

That aside...look at the box office overall. You would think as the films add new characters and installments, they would become bigger draws. They haven't. Civil War couldn't top Iron Man 3. Homecoming underperformed, and wasn't able to pull in as much as the Spider-Man 3. BvS and MoS were considered largely busts considering the characters and situations being portrayed. Hugh Jackman's final love letter to Wolverine barely cracked 225 million. Even the latest Transformers film couldn't draw, and people know what they have been getting for years with that franchise. Still didn't stop them from showing up in droves, except this time, they didn't.

I'm not saying that they are all bad films, but when you consider the hype machine that goes into these things, as well as the sheer number of screens they open on along with the high prices of tickets these days (along with their 3D and HD options)...the numbers really aren't as impressive as they should be.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Let me ask you this, are you a James Bond or Godzilla fan?

I know where you are going with this, but to answer your question honestly, I only enjoyed the Daniel Craig Bond films, which were a bit more grounded and serious in tone from the others. Godzilla films are a whole different thing altogether, and for the most part I have enjoyed most of the ones I have seen, as similar and silly as they are.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

While I do think Star Wars does not need a new movie every year, if they are well written, then it shouldn't matter. Disney has already given us two of the best Star Wars movies in 30+ years.

Except the Force Awakens was a carbon copy of EP4, and the Last Jedi is already bearing a stark similarity to EP5. Hopefully it will prove me wrong.

I enjoyed Rogue 1, mostly because it didn't feel like a Star Wars movie outside of some familiar costumes and some silly moments.

I'd be up for more Star Wars truthfully, but I don't care about a young Han Solo or Boba Fett at this point. Move on and give us something fresh, or take a break until you are ready with some new characters and stories to tell. My opinion only, but Rebels and Clone Wars has been the two best things Star Wars has put out in the last thirty years though.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

[img]But it's okay for there to be 40 dramas, 30 romantic comedies, 50 animated movies, 100 brainless action films, 200 horror films, 10 crime dramas, 20 science fiction adventures, 50 anime films, and 10 war movies a year? I fail to see why they shoud limit super hero films to 2 a year. Plus, it's not like they are all by the same company. Disney does 2-3 a year, Fox does 2-3, DC seems to be doing 2, etc. If you need to blame anyone, blame the companies for owning their own individual super hero licenses.

This is what I was trying to say earlier. I absolutely hate, probably more than I should, when people say there are too many superhero films released every year. It's a genre, and like Dr. Kain is pointing out, there are so many other genres out there no one says a word about. The MCU is making tons of money and a releasing critically acclaimed darlings every year. They obviously have a goal they are trying to reach (Infinity War), so of course they are releasing 3 films per year, it's one big TV show. They are really pushing the envelope, every studio is trying to emulate what they do to minimal success.

It is what it is. People are going to have opinions, it's a part of life. I just can't for the life of me see how someone can not enjoy the era we live in. We are in the Golden Age of comic book films, and each one is pushing the bar. Sure there are a couple of stinkers, but come on. I for one am enjoying this, and anticipate what is in the future.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Trivial Psychic

Have you seen what Thor is up against at the box office? Not exactly what I would call competition.

Blade Runner 2049 had no competition and it still bombed. Thor made lots of money because it was part of the MCU and was well reviewed.

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Homecoming underperformed, and wasn't able to pull in as much as the Spider-Man 3.

How did it underperform? It made nearly $335 million ($117 opening weekend) and was the top movie of its weekend (and I believe it beat out War for the Planet of the Apes the following week).

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BvS and MoS were considered largely busts considering the characters and situations being portrayed.

Of course they were busts, they were garbage movies.

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Hugh Jackman's final love letter to Wolverine barely cracked 225 million.

Okay, so? It still made its money back.

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Even the latest Transformers film couldn't draw, and people know what they have been getting for years with that franchise. Still didn't stop them from showing up in droves, except this time, they didn't.

Because people finally realized the Bayformers franchise sucks monkey balls.

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I know where you are going with this, but to answer your question honestly, I only enjoyed the Daniel Craig Bond films, which were a bit more grounded and serious in tone from the others.

If you like Craig's movies, you should definitely check out Dalton's two.

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Except the Force Awakens was a carbon copy of EP4,

So? It worked.

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and the Last Jedi is already bearing a stark similarity to EP5. Hopefully it will prove me wrong.

Don't know how you get that feeling as nothing to me screams ESB.

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I'd be up for more Star Wars truthfully, but I don't care about a young Han Solo or Boba Fett at this point.

Frankly, I think Boba Fett is one of the most overhyped worthless Star Wars characters that people only like because he looks cool. Vader had to do all of the work for him to capture Han and then he gets killed by accident by a blind man with a broomstick. Yep, so badass.

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Originally Posted by Panther

it's one big TV show.

This is actually how movies have been for the last decade. These days they are just high budget TV shows. My issue comes when they plot out a trilogy and decide the first movie, which hasn't even proved itself, is made just to set up the following movies rather than telling its own story.

The reason Star Wars worked was because Lucas didn't have a guarantee his movie was going to be a success, so he knew he had to make it be its own story with a beginning, middle, and end.

[En Sabah Nerd]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Don't know how you get that feeling as nothing to me screams ESB.

I'm super-excited for TLJ but I have to admit that some things from the trailers are very ESB, at least visually. Most obviously is the First Order walkers just being bigger AT-ATs. As for story beats we'll have to wait and see, naturally I hope it's something new and original.

I was looking at the Defenders pack on Amazon earlier, damn that DD looks sweet. The entire set looks great beyond my continued confusion about their decision to make Jessica in her Jewel costume instead of her regular clothes, maybe it's because they did the Netflix wave one.