[Trivial Psychic]

The new Psylocke figure bears a stronger resemblance to Kelly Hu than Grace Park (particularly from the side,) but her front profile bears an even stronger resemblance to Lilo's older sister Nani from Lilo and Stitch.

[kenm2474]

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Originally Posted by Nitelife

Revanche, longshot, maybe even gate keeper.

So Revanche and Gatekeeper. I have Long Shot hes in the front right corner. I looked up GateKeeper and I see Heimdall and a Character made of Spiders.

[kylactus]

I think he ment gateway...

[Harbinger]

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Originally Posted by kylactus

I think he ment gateway...

I knew it was gate-something. Yes gateway.

[Panther]

I'm really looking forward to most the Apocalypse wave. Wolverine, Psylocke, Multiple Man, Gladiator, and Apocalypse are easy buys. Magneto and Storm look like great figures, but I will be selling them off because I am waiting on either Classic or Jim Lee Storm, and this body and sculpt for a Classic Magneto.

[Parademon1]

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Originally Posted by Marine73

I have a guy at work like this, his entire knowledge of any comics based characters, be it Marvel or DC is solely based on cinimatic universe. The guy has never picked up a comic I his life as he has said. It’s almost painful discussing a movie with him after he sees it as he knows absolute dick but yet rebuttals and argues everything me and another comic collector try telling him.

Quite a few of those on this site as well Devildog. Before 2008, these MCU fans didn't know who the vast majority of these marvel characters were.

[DarthKamen]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

Quite a few of those on this site as well Devildog. Before 2008, these MCU fans didn't know who the vast majority of these marvel characters were.

Isn't it a good thing that more people have been exposed to these characters?

And I don't see the issue of being fans of only the films. If they're being obnoxious about it then, yeah it's annoying but why does it matter if they didn't know the history of X character before going to see the film?

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by Parademon1

Quite a few of those on this site as well Devildog. Before 2008, these MCU fans didn't know who the vast majority of these marvel characters were.

What is so ironic about what you just said is THAT was the entire driving force of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No Fantastic 4, no Spider-Man, and no X-Men. Kevin Feige and his team took B-List characters that only comic book readers, which like it or not are a very small population, and made a $14 billion franchise off the likes of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Black Panther. Give credit where credit is due.

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Originally Posted by DarthKamen

Isn't it a good thing that more people have been exposed to these characters?

And I don't see the issue of being fans of only the films. If they're being obnoxious about it then, yeah it's annoying but why does it matter if they didn't know the history of X character before going to see the film?

There is absolutely no issue at all of being fans of only the films. I talk these films up around whoever I come into contact with, and I keep my Marvel Encyclopedia in my truck so those that want to talk sweaty can watch the films and get some back knowledge from me on where these characters came from.

I cannot figure out for the life of me why people continue to call MCU fans out. There's one person on this forum and there is another that I see quite a bit on another site and some YouTube comments with the same name. I just don't understand it.

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Panther

What is so ironic about what you just said is THAT was the entire driving force of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No Fantastic 4, no Spider-Man, and no X-Men. Kevin Feige and his team took B-List characters that only comic book readers, which like it or not are a very small population, and made a $14 billion franchise off the likes of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Black Panther. Give credit where credit is due.



There is absolutely no issue at all of being fans of only the films. I talk these films up around whoever I come into contact with, and I keep my Marvel Encyclopedia in my truck so those that want to talk sweaty can watch the films and get some back knowledge from me on where these characters came from.

I cannot figure out for the life of me why people continue to call MCU fans out. There's one person on this forum and there is another that I see quite a bit on another site and some YouTube comments with the same name. I just don't understand it.

I wouldn't necessarily call iron man,captain America,Thor, Hulk, Black Panther and the rest of the avengers "B list characters". Whether your a comic fan or not, You know who they are. Guardians... yea i can kind of see that.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

I wouldn't necessarily call iron man,captain America,Thor, Hulk, Black Panther and the rest of the avengers "B list characters". Whether your a comic fan or not, You know who they are. Guardians... yea i can kind of see that.

That B-List comment came directly from Marvel Studios. Disc 4, Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD Blu Ray. Those characters, minus The Hulk, were classified as B-list heroes. Compare them to Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Green Lantern and so on and they were B-list characters. Guardians I would argue were C-List. I am one of the biggest Black Panther fans on this planet, and before Civil War when I mentioned Black Panther people thought I was talking about the Black Panther Party. This happed to me so many times it became funny. I'm not trying to downplay them, but there was a reason it took so long for these characters to finally be put to good use.

[Archangel]

I’ve heard the same complaints about people who got into the Marvel universe from the old X-Men cartoon.

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Panther

That B-List comment came directly from Marvel Studios. Disc 4, Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD Blu Ray. Those characters, minus The Hulk, were classified as B-list heroes. Compare them to Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Fantastic 4, The X-Men, Green Lantern and so on and they were B-list characters. Guardians I would argue were C-List. I am one of the biggest Black Panther fans on this planet, and before Civil War when I mentioned Black Panther people thought I was talking about the Black Panther Party. This happed to me so many times it became funny. I'm not trying to downplay them, but there was a reason it took so long for these characters to finally be put to good use.

I've been into comics since the late 80s when i was a young kid. My favorite era was the copper age, which was the 90s. All of these characters were known. BP if i recall correctly was not a character not as popular as he is today. He now has a huge fan following AFTER the movie came out.

Now since i've been back into the hobby of comic collecting, the same thing that happened with BP with the popularity had happened with GOTG. After the movie these two became huge and much more exposure now then prior.

But i just feel it's odd hearing the rest of them being called "B-list". I never thought or heard of any if them other the GOTG being B list.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

I've been into comics since the late 80s when i was a young kid. My favorite era was the copper age, which was the 90s. All of these characters were known. BP if i recall correctly was not a character not as popular as he is today. He now has a huge fan following AFTER the movie came out.

Now since i've been back into the hobby of comic collecting, the same thing that happened with BP with the popularity had happened with GOTG. After the movie these two became huge and much more exposure now then prior.

But i just feel it's odd hearing the rest of them being called "B-list". I never thought or heard of any if them other the GOTG being B list.

I understand and respect that, however, remember we as comic book readers are in the minority when it comes to the mainstream. I like you felt it was very strange to hear them called B-List, but I thought about it, listened to what was explain to me and realized before 2008 those characters were never on the scale I thought they were. Once again, in the mainstream. It's amazing seeing all these people who thought I was crazy for liking an African King of fictional Country now tell me how much they enjoy what he and his supporting cast have to offer. I tell them, "I've been on this kick for over 30 years, son. Welcome to the party."

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

I've been into comics since the late 80s when i was a young kid. My favorite era was the copper age, which was the 90s. All of these characters were known. BP if i recall correctly was not a character not as popular as he is today. He now has a huge fan following AFTER the movie came out.

Now since i've been back into the hobby of comic collecting, the same thing that happened with BP with the popularity had happened with GOTG. After the movie these two became huge and much more exposure now then prior.

But i just feel it's odd hearing the rest of them being called "B-list". I never thought or heard of any if them other the GOTG being B list.

Coming from the same time period when I got into main Marvel comics (1987 to be exact), I feel the same way. I never thought of Thor, Cap and Iron Man as B-list, but what I think happened in the 80's and 90's is the X-Men were everything and the Avengers were very much sidelined. In the 60's and 70's it was opposite, Avengers were much more popular than X-Men, at least until Claremont came along. A few years into the 00's and onwards and Avengers have been on top again. Spider-Man of course being on top through the entire time, always A-list, but in the 80's and 90's it is not a stretch to say that Wolverine, Hulk and Storm were their # 2-4 characters for those decades. They were the A list for those decades. It's not that the Avengers Trinity were not A-list in comic terms, they just weren't on the public radar, despite being known they were not stepped in mainstream culture as much. So to say they were not A list might be correct to a fault, but only because of the flip flop of what was popular in comics at the time. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

[Panther]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Coming from the same time period when I got into main Marvel comics (1987 to be exact), I feel the same way. I never thought of Thor, Cap and Iron Man as B-list, but what I think happened in the 80's and 90's is the X-Men were everything and the Avengers were very much sidelined. In the 60's and 70's it was opposite, Avengers were much more popular than X-Men, at least until Claremont came along. A few years into the 00's and onwards and Avengers have been on top again. Spider-Man of course being on top through the entire time, always A-list, but in the 80's and 90's it is not a stretch to say that Wolverine, Hulk and Storm were their # 2-4 characters for those decades. They were the A list for those decades. It's not that the Avengers Trinity were not A-list in comic terms, they just weren't on the public radar, despite being known they were not stepped in mainstream culture as much. So to say they were not A list might be correct to a fault, but only because of the flip flop of what was popular in comics at the time. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

Yes! I'm only talking in terms of the general audience, which to your point is correct to a fault. We as readers always knew they were heavy hitters, however, to the masses they couldn't tell you anything about Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, The Avengers, or who they are. It took the general audience to make them into a $14 Billion franchise, not just us.

[snake5289]

I always figured the tier thing for characters was subjective and based on whoever you were a fan of growing up. Like for me back in the day if they weren't Ghost Rider (and the Midnight Sons), Wolverine, Spider-Man, Venom, or Punisher they were B-Tier or lower as far as I was concerned.

[Boy Blunder]

I've got a number of friends who were introduced to Marvel characters through various avenues (comics, cartoons, movies, etc), and I can say that it's true - if you weren't a comic reader, a lot of the "top tier" Marvel characters were pretty close to unknown to the general public. Hell, I only knew about some characters in my childhood because of my older brother's comics (Hulk and, weirdly enough, Adam Warlock) before the 90s rolled around and hit us hard with the X-Men and Spider-Man animated series (and, to a lesser extent, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Incredible Hulk, and Silver Surfer).

But things like the Avengers didn't get much exposure - aside from the West Coast Avengers/Force Works being in the Iron Man cartoon, and Captain America and Thor getting a handful of guest appearances/cameos across the various shows, the first major exposure of the team as a whole was the "Avengers: United They Stand" animated series... which was also mostly inspired by the West Coast team, and featured very little in the way of appearances from the Big Three.

Characters like Captain America and Thor were last part of the general audience's consciousness due to their previous live-action appearances (Cap's two TV movies from the 70s and a direct-to-video disaster in the 90s, and Thor's single appearance in 'The Incredible Hulk Returns'), for better or for worse, before the MCU catapulted them into the spotlight. Even Iron Man, who held down an animated series for two seasons, didn't have the pull of Spider-Man or X-Men. But here we are now, where the door has been opened for the 'classic' heavy hitters of Marvel to be recognized by the genpub.

[Parademon1]

I've been a Marvel comics fans since the late 70s, IMO, asides from GOTG, none of the other MCU characters rate a B-listing. IM, Thor, Cap & Hulk were always A raters in my book. Just goes to show how little today's generation is into collecting comics. If a superhero character isn't in a cartoon, video game or movie, they don't care enough to bother reading about him/her. Sad times we live in. Guarantee you nobody knew who the members of the suicide squad were asides from Joker/Harley & that's probably due to the BTAS toon.

[Panther]

Now I remember the community.

[Marine73]

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Originally Posted by DarthKamen

Isn't it a good thing that more people have been exposed to these characters?

And I don't see the issue of being fans of only the films. If they're being obnoxious about it then, yeah it's annoying but why does it matter if they didn't know the history of X character before going to see the film?

I agree YES it is a good thing and it keeps our hobby and love of the comics and characters alive. There is no problem with a non comic collector/ fan just loving the movies,..I was mainly referring to the obnoxious ones that feel our comic history is no longer cannon and only the MCU is the true marvel now,try as I may to convince them otherwise and that without the foundation of the comic history there would be no MCU.

[Archangel]

They are bringing just about any and every character to film in some way, and we have an insane amount of collectible options due to the success of MCU films. I don’t get bitching about new fans...that’s more money invested in more films and figures.

Speaking of figures, are there preorders for the next X-wave yet???

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by Archangel

They are bringing just about any and every character to film in some way, and we have an insane amount of collectible options due to the success of MCU films. I don’t get bitching about new fans...that’s more money invested in more films and figures.

Speaking of figures, are there preorders for the next X-wave yet???

Not to my knowledge, and they need to hurry and get there. My wallet is starting to netflix binge due to inactivity. It's more caught up on the Netflix marvel than I am.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by Panther

Even if we go back to the 80's and 90's and look up comic book sales. X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Daredevil, Watchmen, Teen Titans, and New Mutants owned the 80's and early 90's, so let us use that as a template.

As someone who was introduced to comics in the late 70's (circa 78-79), I can say, in my experience, truer words have not been written on this thread.

Independent of the characters Marvel tried to actively promote as 'flagship,’ the explosive resonance of the aforementioned titles was undeniable. Especially so with X-men and Teen Titans. Outside of Spider-Man, that list includes none of my favorites, which should dispel any notion that I speak from the prospective of a 'homer' as I add my voice in agreement.

Marvel’s marketing (ie t-shirts, underoos, and ancillary product tie-ins) from the 70’s into the 80’s would have you believe Cap, Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk and Spidey were their mainstays (FF got a nod also, but like Namor, they were on the fringe among ‘casuals’). While book sales confirmed Spidey as a heavy-weight, the others languished considerably. Even though I loved Spidey as my formal introduction to the Marvel universe (his fight with Lightmaster being one of my first books ever – still waiting for a fig) I often wondered why the character had three titles (at the time, that was unusual): Amazing Spider-Man, Peter Parker: Spectacular, and Marvel Team-up. I asked the owner of my LCS (a term not even thought of then; my home town had three comic shops within 5 square miles of each other) what the deal was and he shared that he always sold through on Spidey books and that fans couldn’t seem to get enough creating the need for more Parker titles…little did I know, there would be two and three times the number of Spidey titles in the subsequent years to follow.

As it relates to the original convo…and now, I am going to sound like a homer when I say that Spidey is the only consistent “A-lister” in all of the MCU…and he only recently returned to the fold. The subjective nature of my opinion is not lost on me, but my larger point is that regardless of where or how you came on board…irrespective of who you think should be showcased from Marvel’s pantheon, or who represents the lion’s share of fan interest…there is more than enough landscape to indulge everyone. We all win with each and every character that gets highlighted, whether they are represented in their iconic-canon form, or they are re-imagined or revised for modern audiences. Creating artificial divisions between fanbases serves little purpose in the grand scheme of things...

Make mine Marvel! …but you could throw some DC and Crossgen in there too!

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by Captain Nash

Coming from the same time period when I got into main Marvel comics (1987 to be exact), I feel the same way. I never thought of Thor, Cap and Iron Man as B-list, but what I think happened in the 80's and 90's is the X-Men were everything and the Avengers were very much sidelined. In the 60's and 70's it was opposite, Avengers were much more popular than X-Men, at least until Claremont came along. A few years into the 00's and onwards and Avengers have been on top again. Spider-Man of course being on top through the entire time, always A-list, but in the 80's and 90's it is not a stretch to say that Wolverine, Hulk and Storm were their # 2-4 characters for those decades. They were the A list for those decades. It's not that the Avengers Trinity were not A-list in comic terms, they just weren't on the public radar, despite being known they were not stepped in mainstream culture as much. So to say they were not A list might be correct to a fault, but only because of the flip flop of what was popular in comics at the time. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

You hit he nail on the head ! we share a common interest in that era of comics then

as far as all the MCU movies that came out, the only ones i really was unaware of was GOTG. not to mention there was a different version of them prior to the movies.

[Captain Nash]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

You hit he nail on the head ! we share a common interest in that era of comics then

as far as all the MCU movies that came out, the only ones i really was unaware of was GOTG. not to mention there was a different version of them prior to the movies.

Agree on the GOTG. Granted Marvel Studios did an awesome job, but I was admittedly skeptical when they announced they were releasing it, and were to the point of as the saying goes, throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. I really thought it would be a disaster, because it was too unknown, even B or lower tier for comic readers (unless you were big into the cosmic stuff I guess.) Of course, Marvel Studios proved me wrong and I no longer doubt they really can make any property hot.