[warmachine6]

I agree with Black Arbor

[Spyne98]

I agree with Black Arbor and Warmachine

[marvelmando]

Batroc!

[VashTS]

I looked at the figures and it's just straight repaints again. Nothing exciting besides it being new. Same Cap, Same Iron, Same Hulk essentially. Same cheap plastic being used and the ladies cannot stand from it.

It's very disturbing. No Movie head sculpt of Robert Downey again. Isn't it time for a Mark RUffalo figure or a Chris Evans with out the uniform?

This is just laziness and taking advantage of the fans to be blunt. It's nice to see Thanos though....so I appreciate that.

Still waiting for that movie Buster to be revealed.

[Exodus]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Ditto. If I hadn't stopped collecting a while back, I would be absolutely livid right now and preparing to take a break from books. I'm glad that I, for the most part, only collect TPB's of old stories, selectively picking which modern epics to digest (Infinity wasn't very good at all IMO...don't believe the hype...and I'm debating whether or not to consume Original Sin). The best thing about my shift in focus is the wealth of great stories to be found in Marvel's Bronze, Silver, and Golden ages (although I admit some of the Golden age stuff is pretty dated). In my opinion, what's wrong with Marvel books are the lack of continuity (within itself, aside from the flicks) and the green-lighting of any and everything...we need a real editor in chief at Marvel. Stan Lee may have been a jackass, but he knew what he was doing and respected the history of the Marvel continuum

Agreed Stan is def the Man of Marvel.

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Ok, because this thread is supposed to be dedicated to toys, I have been reluctant to chime in.
However, I think that the big events tying into the rest of the comic lines has been a trend for 20 years or so. Secret Wars gave us the symbiote which has been evolving ever since. We had Extinction, House of M, Civil War, Skrull Invasion, Siege, Dark Reign, Age of Ultron, Infinity, and so on. My point is that they will never end and they help to build continuity into the Marvel Universe. I agree some of the arcs aren't as satisfying like Infinity. I was generally disgusted with the way in which Thanos was portrayed in that. But it has helped to set up events that continue to unfold. I have been more satisfied tying the stories together, like what has been building in the Avengers and New Avenges with the incursions and now the Months To Go that is undoubtedly leading to Secret Wars.
I mean, they are comics and Marvel is a company so they have to build hype to continue to bait in new readers and ones that have left for a while. So I will forgive a lot, even the death of the Watcher.
Make mine Marvel. Excelsior!

I feel like it went down hill after Civil War...

[JamesBenjamin]

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Originally Posted by VashTS

I looked at the figures and it's just straight repaints again. Nothing exciting besides it being new. Same Cap, Same Iron, Same Hulk essentially. Same cheap plastic being used and the ladies cannot stand from it.

It's very disturbing. No Movie head sculpt of Robert Downey again. Isn't it time for a Mark RUffalo figure or a Chris Evans with out the uniform?

I'm pretty sure there's a new "mask open" extra head in with that Iron Man. And while the Hulk is likely a straight repaint, those Walmart Legends from Avengers were impossible to find, especially the Hulk.

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by VashTS

I looked at the figures and it's just straight repaints again. Nothing exciting besides it being new. Same Cap, Same Iron, Same Hulk essentially. Same cheap plastic being used and the ladies cannot stand from it.

It's very disturbing. No Movie head sculpt of Robert Downey again. Isn't it time for a Mark RUffalo figure or a Chris Evans with out the uniform?

This is just laziness and taking advantage of the fans to be blunt. It's nice to see Thanos though....so I appreciate that.

Still waiting for that movie Buster to be revealed.

Iron Man comes with a second head. It's his helmet with the faceplate up so you can see RDJ. It's just above his right hand in the package. And no it isn't Thanos' head. That's in with Spiderwoman.

If you've looked at an set photos, you can clearly see that most of the Avengers are wearing costumes that are similar to their Phase 2 costumes. That's why Cap and Hulk are retools. They gave Hulk his new pants from the movie which have sculpted details in them that his normal pants didn't have. A new fist and a new head too if I'm not mistaken. Cap has a new chest, shoulders and fore arms. And Iron Man is a repaint because the only difference between the Mk. 42 and Mk. 43 is the paint scheme.

Toybiz, Hasbro and Hot Toys have all tried doing Bruce Banners over the years. And they don't sell very well. Banner, the Chitauri and the Hulk/Banner 2 pack are the only Hot Toys figures from the Avengers that BBTS still has in stock. And the only reason why Hulk/Banner pack is left is because it's $500+.

[TheBlueMarvel]

I'm very happy with most of the wave! The only exceptions are Cap (enough already) and Iron Man (check my caveat for Cap). Hellcat, like Machine Man before her, keeps my hopes for "obscure-character-fan-service" alive and well (more please)! Batroc will fill out my "Cap rogues gallery" very nicely (if we're going left-field on Cap enemies, can we get a Baron Blood? He'd also complement the Union Jack fig!). And then there's Thanos. While Infinity stunk, the design created for Thanos was both refreshing and inspired. I'd still like a Samaritan version of the mad Titan......

Tangentially, I really hope we see Tigershark (what's a Namor with no Tigershark?), Blizzard, and Bulldozer soon. The only burning question remaining is: where is that Valkyrie we saw pics of during last year's SDCC? I'm eager to know, because from what I recall, she looked to be an all new female buck....she was a real looker, and along with Hellcat, will bring me that much closer to a proper Defenders line-up.

[warmachine6]

Open Face plates is da thing , Hasbro by all mercy release a war-machine one XD, I had a thought :O What if Bulldozer gets released with ant-man ?? I also Hope that if the Marvel's Netflix's series does well we can get at least a main character figure or a 4-packs or x2 2packs ?? Luke cage and iron fist came across the wrecking crew i think , so would be wizard,

Valkyrie seems to be missing BUT could this mean a potential wave 3 ??

[ultraman zoffy]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I'm very happy with most of the wave! The only exceptions are Cap (enough already) and Iron Man (check my caveat for Cap).

There are so many Caps in my movie Legends display that folks automatically assume he's my favorite Marvel character... I dig him, but he isn't. lol
In a way it sort of sucks that Marvel Studios finds it necessary to constantly change the costumes every film; Hasbro will be compelled to go with the new look for the same old characters every time, taking up a wave slot that could've gone to someone new or less represented. I understand the business aspect of being able to reuse molds with slight tooling changes, but if Marvel Studios would just establish a darn iconic film look for each character, maybe it'd motivate Hasbro to work on whole new movie sculpts so we can get new characters each wave ala the Guardians Legends. I don't mind buying the figures because I enjoy them, but it sucks that Hasbro is using up opportunities to expand the movie figure universe because Cap has red on his chest and Hulk is wearing yoga pants now. It would've made more sense to throw movie Witch, Quicksilver, and either Movie Ultron or Vision out since they're going to be so prominent in the film, but instead, we're getting a "not different enough" Hulk and Cap. Bummer.

[Trivial Psychic]

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

O I also Hope that if the Marvel's Netflix's series does well we can get at least a main character figure or a 4-packs or x2 2packs ?? Luke cage and iron fist came across the wrecking crew i think , so would be wizard,

Valkyrie seems to be missing BUT could this mean a potential wave 3 ??

You know...I had completely forgotten that the Netflix series represents a great opportunity to get some Legends line out there. Daredevil is a perfect opportunity to get a new Kingpin, Typhoid Mary, Bullseye (or even Lady Bullseye), and that cancelled Blade out there. Wouldn't mind having any of those personally...

[Phantomcrow]

I am still wanting them to find a way to get Rescue, War Machine mkII, and Movie Mandarin put out somehow. I mean it really just screams a new 3 pack. Plus WM mkII is what he is wearing in AoU and like the Iron Man mk 43 , it is just a repaint. (I use the term repaint loosely as the Black and Silver WM was to be in IM3 in a scene before you saw the Re-branding to Iron Patriot.), but now he is back to proper WM colors with really no suit changes.

[TheXtremisT]

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Originally Posted by JamesBenjamin

I'm pretty sure there's a new "mask open" extra head in with that Iron Man. And while the Hulk is likely a straight repaint, those Walmart Legends from Avengers were impossible to find, especially the Hulk.

Hulk's a completely newly sculpted figure.

With him and Thanos being new dedicated sculpt, THATS where the majority of the money was invested into this wave.

I don't mind this wave so much. I would have preferred a classic Thanos, and I don't care one bit about the movie Avengers, but finally getting Batroc, and the awesome Spider-Woman and Hellcat make this all worth it.

I love that they come with extras again, but can't work out what Hellcat has with her since I'm not too familiar with her character. Is is a baton/whip?

I'll likely buy a case from the US and sell the movie figures to recoup a little.

[Phantomcrow]

I just hope I can find a BATROC with his stache painted well. I have a feeling that will be an issue since they barely could get spider mans webs painted on straight on his mask.

[warmachine6]

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Originally Posted by Phantomcrow

I am still wanting them to find a way to get Rescue, War Machine mkII, and Movie Mandarin put out somehow. I mean it really just screams a new 3 pack. Plus WM mkII is what he is wearing in AoU and like the Iron Man mk 43 , it is just a repaint. (I use the term repaint loosely as the Black and Silver WM was to be in IM3 in a scene before you saw the Re-branding to Iron Patriot.), but now he is back to proper WM colors with really no suit changes.

IF warmachine turns up in avengers age of ultron that'll be brill a simple cameo from Rhodey wont really do me ,it'll be Iron man 3 all over again as his character not being explored at all.
I think the ones to blame are possibly Marvel studio's writers not doing anything for him. A figure of him is not really over due. I know the Avengers figs will sell well , for a potential wave 3 like i said earlier Valkyrie is missing ...

So wave 3 could consist of

War-machine ,Valkyrie,

Quicksilver, [comic version] we dont need another scarlet witch via movie version as well hasbro isnt that kind, if we get one then wow .

Bulldozer possibly - avenger villain that's why. plus it seems hasbro is making it essential to have a villain in every wave [yay]

BAF = Movie Ultron

Possibilities -
Movie versions of
Thor is over due , widow and hawkeye maybe not due to movie versions, falcon - would be a long shot though is rumored to appear

[305Batman]

Hulk looks to be the same green as the first one right? Hate the pants,want to swap the extra fist and head.I'm hoping we see movie Hawkeye and Thor in the future,never saw the WM exclusives,and of course a BAF Hulkbuster wouldn't hurt!

[ProfessorHov]

Hey guys if you have a Mejiers i think its called
They are getting in a shipment tonight or
Tomorrow good luck happy hunting go get your odin wave

[TheBlueMarvel]

@Ultraman Zoffy

Heh. I think I'm up to eight Caps now, but only like two or three of them. It really is a shame that one or two slots of each wave end up being wasted on tiresome rehashes. While my preference is for the comic-versions of characters, I'd be fine with your suggestion of a movie Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch (or Ultron/Vision/Hulkbuster). Anything other than another Cap or Iron Man with minute tweaks. While embedding superfluous redux figs into a wave might make good business sense to them (no new molds and "forced" purchase based of the popularity of strategically selected BAF's), Hasbro runs the risk of turning off adult collectors. It reminds me of those Kenner Batman lines from the 90's that featured ONLY Batman. Would you like a Scuba Cap to compliment your Pizza-Delivery Cap? How about a CPA Tony Stark to match your Board-Room Stark (uh...that might not be that bad actually)? It's becomes insulting when these duplicates follow so closely behind one another. We've experienced a spate of these types of figs lately......

[donmeca2020]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

Ditto. If I hadn't stopped collecting a while back, I would be absolutely livid right now and preparing to take a break from books. I'm glad that I, for the most part, only collect TPB's of old stories, selectively picking which modern epics to digest (Infinity wasn't very good at all IMO...don't believe the hype...and I'm debating whether or not to consume Original Sin). The best thing about my shift in focus is the wealth of great stories to be found in Marvel's Bronze, Silver, and Golden ages (although I admit some of the Golden age stuff is pretty dated). In my opinion, what's wrong with Marvel books are the lack of continuity (within itself, aside from the flicks) and the green-lighting of any and everything...we need a real editor in chief at Marvel. Stan Lee may have been a jackass, but he knew what he was doing and respected the history of the Marvel continuum

original sin was BLAH to me.... if you can get the series and tie ins via torrent i would recommend that rather then buying the TPB. i took a long break from comics i stopped at about the year 2000 i would say, and didn't get back into them til last year march, when Peter Parker returned from the dead so to speak.... only series that i've been keeping up with from Marvel is Amazing Spider-man, Spider-man 2099, and Hulk. As i've gotten older i've noticed Marvel just keeps spewing out big event after big event... i have really enjoyed the whole Spider-verse story line. to me that is just awesome !!!

I'm nervous as to what this secret wars in the summer time will do to these new series... will they continue them on or will they just reboot again....

Back on topic any new info on the Spider-man wave ? lol

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by donmeca2020

original sin was BLAH to me.... if you can get the series and tie ins via torrent i would recommend that rather then buying the TPB. i took a long break from comics i stopped at about the year 2000 i would say, and didn't get back into them til last year march, when Peter Parker returned from the dead so to speak.... only series that i've been keeping up with from Marvel is Amazing Spider-man, Spider-man 2099, and Hulk. As i've gotten older i've noticed Marvel just keeps spewing out big event after big event... i have really enjoyed the whole Spider-verse story line. to me that is just awesome !!!

I'm nervous as to what this secret wars in the summer time will do to these new series... will they continue them on or will they just reboot again....

Back on topic any new info on the Spider-man wave ? lol

Not really. Just waiting for the wave to hit at this point.

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

@Ultraman Zoffy

Heh. I think I'm up to eight Caps now, but only like two or three of them. It really is a shame that one or two slots of each wave end up being wasted on tiresome rehashes. While my preference is for the comic-versions of characters, I'd be fine with your suggestion of a movie Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch (or Ultron/Vision/Hulkbuster). Anything other than another Cap or Iron Man with minute tweaks. While embedding superfluous redux figs into a wave might make good business sense to them (no new molds and "forced" purchase based of the popularity of strategically selected BAF's), Hasbro runs the risk of turning off adult collectors. It reminds me of those Kenner Batman lines from the 90's that featured ONLY Batman. Would you like a Scuba Cap to compliment your Pizza-Delivery Cap? How about a CPA Tony Stark to match your Board-Room Stark (uh...that might not be that bad actually)? It's becomes insulting when these duplicates follow so closely behind one another. We've experienced a spate of these types of figs lately......

While I love Captain America and I'm generally not opposed to getting a new Cap, provided it offers something new, he's getting to the over used point very quickly. And we'll have another Captain America wave next year with the new movie coming out. But on the bright side, there will only be two MCU movies out next year which means there is potential for a broader range of characters.

One point I would like to make is that not everyone has been collecting for years and has multiple Captain Americas, Iron Mans and Spidermans. A younger person who for the first time is earning decent money at work can go to Walmart or wherever and buy one of these figures for a decent price. While we're all showing some fatigue with certain characters, I'm actually happy knowing many new comers won't be forced to use eBay to get older figures that cost too much.

[TheBlueMarvel]

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Originally Posted by jwyss234

While I love Captain America and I'm generally not opposed to getting a new Cap, provided it offers something new, he's getting to the over used point very quickly. And we'll have another Captain America wave next year with the new movie coming out. But on the bright side, there will only be two MCU movies out next year which means there is potential for a broader range of characters.

One point I would like to make is that not everyone has been collecting for years and has multiple Captain Americas, Iron Mans and Spidermans. A younger person who for the first time is earning decent money at work can go to Walmart or wherever and buy one of these figures for a decent price. While we're all showing some fatigue with certain characters, I'm actually happy knowing many new comers won't be forced to use eBay to get older figures that cost too much.

I hear your points and appreciate the different perspective. It's always good to be reminded of the silver lining. While my opinion of the whys/wherefores/shortcomings of multiples of the same character remains the same, I can see the altruism in opening up the field for people starting their collections. However, as it pertains to Cap, the secondary market isn't brutal for the this particular fig. Outside of "face-off Cap", versions of this fig. aren't outlandishly priced (at least as far as the "loose" market is concerned). A fact that is directly attributable to the ubiquitous nature of Cap's presence in the ML's series. If we were talking about Shield Agents/Hand Ninjas/Skrulls/Kree Soldiers (price-wise), I'd agree wholeheartedly.

With Cap specifically, it's hard for me to ignore the exploitative nature of the business strategy. All in on Cap (counting Bucky Cap and US agent; different characters, but still within the Cap vein), there have been 14 Caps...with more to come, as you mentioned. By any standards, that's a shitload of Caps and the shark has been jumped. I definitely feel where you are coming from, but I also don't think it's unreasonable to point out that there are other characters in need of service. Just so you know, I like Cap. He's not a simplistic representation of jingoistic pride, but rather what America has the potential to become...I know, pretty sappy lol. Not trying to be facetious here, just a bit tired of Cap figs and wanting more diversity in representation.

[Spyne98]

I think everyone is making some good points. One thing Hasbro can't seem to do is give us a wave without that anchor figure. Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor (to an extent), all these guys have a bunch of versions because they will hopefully help the wave sell. As collectors, we may not always see the value here. Parents who know nothing about the comics will buy the person they know because they've seen them in commercials for movies. I was in Toys R Us yesterday and a woman was asking me "which of these characters are famous?" There were a few left over Guardians, Cap and Spider-Man legends. I tried to recommend Star Lord and her answer was "Who?". I felt like it was pulled from the movie, haha.
I'm not saying the big names are in every wave, but Hasbro mostly throws them in, Toy Biz did the same. Would I love a wave with zero anchor figures? Sure! But I think it might be some time before we see that happen.

[warmachine6]

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

I think everyone is making some good points. One thing Hasbro can't seem to do is give us a wave without that anchor figure. Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor (to an extent), all these guys have a bunch of versions because they will hopefully help the wave sell. As collectors, we may not always see the value here. Parents who know nothing about the comics will buy the person they know because they've seen them in commercials for movies. I was in Toys R Us yesterday and a woman was asking me "which of these characters are famous?" There were a few left over Guardians, Cap and Spider-Man legends. I tried to recommend Star Lord and her answer was "Who?". I felt like it was pulled from the movie, haha.
I'm not saying the big names are in every wave, but Hasbro mostly throws them in, Toy Biz did the same. Would I love a wave with zero anchor figures? Sure! But I think it might be some time before we see that happen.

Movies are Key here, the GOTG film made so much money it opens doors for more nicher characters . I was so happy this film was coming out because i had no idea who they were sure i heard of them through animated shows etc but didnt see them , so this opens doors for marvel to explore or add new characters which they're kinda doing like Captain Marvel ,In-humans etc

[jwyss234]

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Originally Posted by TheBlueMarvel

I hear your points and appreciate the different perspective. It's always good to be reminded of the silver lining. While my opinion of the whys/wherefores/shortcomings of multiples of the same character remains the same, I can see the altruism in opening up the field for people starting their collections. However, as it pertains to Cap, the secondary market isn't brutal for the this particular fig. Outside of "face-off Cap", versions of this fig. aren't outlandishly priced (at least as far as the "loose" market is concerned). A fact that is directly attributable to the ubiquitous nature of Cap's presence in the ML's series. If we were talking about Shield Agents/Hand Ninjas/Skrulls/Kree Soldiers (price-wise), I'd agree wholeheartedly.

With Cap specifically, it's hard for me to ignore the exploitative nature of the business strategy. All in on Cap (counting Bucky Cap and US agent; different characters, but still within the Cap vein), there have been 14 Caps...with more to come, as you mentioned. By any standards, that's a shitload of Caps and the shark has been jumped. I definitely feel where you are coming from, but I also don't think it's unreasonable to point out that there are other characters in need of service. Just so you know, I like Cap. He's not a simplistic representation of jingoistic pride, but rather what America has the potential to become...I know, pretty sappy lol. Not trying to be facetious here, just a bit tired of Cap figs and wanting more diversity in representation.

I'm not trying to advocate that we need more Captain Americas. Just that new comers have a luxury right now. I started collecting when Hasbro took over and BLAH! Legends were very different back then in terms of quality and character selection, I know, but I can't help but look at the new waves and think how I would have killed to have them when I started. There are certainly other characters that very much need an update from their old Toy Biz figures and others that need to get their very first figure.

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Originally Posted by Spyne98

I think everyone is making some good points. One thing Hasbro can't seem to do is give us a wave without that anchor figure. Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor (to an extent), all these guys have a bunch of versions because they will hopefully help the wave sell. As collectors, we may not always see the value here. Parents who know nothing about the comics will buy the person they know because they've seen them in commercials for movies. I was in Toys R Us yesterday and a woman was asking me "which of these characters are famous?" There were a few left over Guardians, Cap and Spider-Man legends. I tried to recommend Star Lord and her answer was "Who?". I felt like it was pulled from the movie, haha.
I'm not saying the big names are in every wave, but Hasbro mostly throws them in, Toy Biz did the same. Would I love a wave with zero anchor figures? Sure! But I think it might be some time before we see that happen.

At least she asked. I've had older people come up to me while I was looking at figures and try to convince me that it was all crap and that the "kid" would just throw the toy away.

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Originally Posted by warmachine6

Movies are Key here, the GOTG film made so much money it opens doors for more nicher characters . I was so happy this film was coming out because i had no idea who they were sure i heard of them through animated shows etc but didnt see them , so this opens doors for marvel to explore or add new characters which they're kinda doing like Captain Marvel ,In-humans etc

I'm hoping GOTG 2 will get they same treatment for Legends that Avengers is getting this year. I'm sure the movie characters will get new costumes and we'll get toys of them. But I'm hoping we'll get also be able to get more comic characters from the DnA run like Mantis or Cosmo. Hopefully the success of Guardians will help Captain Marvel to get her own wave.

[Black Arbor]

So does anyone remember when the Age of Ultron figures were first revealed, and Hulk had an open-mouthed screaming head? I wonder if we'll still get that.